Integra vs. Mustang

I have a stock right hand drive JDM '90 Integra XSi. this is one fast mother. I live in the great smoky mts of tennessee, and north carolina. up in the mountians there are several twisty rolling roads, a great spot to race. nothing better than a addrentaline rush on a ridge of a Mountian road while burying your 160kmh speedometer @ 180kmh ( about 110mph for you non-metric types). smacking the 9380rpm spoon sports ECU revlimiter at every shift. but anyway on with the story. I pull up next to a salene mustang (very popular in this aera) and intending to get beat. I rev the motor just for some fun. the salene takes off without as much as a chirp in the tires. he accelerates so fasty, he becomes a tiny spec to me. then we come up to the twisty part where you come down the cliff in theNC side of the mountian he appears. As I close in on him quickly around the turns @ about 100km, with so much body roll you feel you are going to flip. I pas him doing about 20km faster than he is going.and continuing down the road manuvering everything that posed a threat to my car. down on the next strait I check my rearview mirror toped out @ about 200kmh smacked the revlimiter in 5th and never saw him again. How I beat him Ill never know, but now I feel I'm pretty invincible. I even had a friend who was w/ me print print up a sticker that said "Your V-8 can't touch my sweet Honda Integra XSi....." and placed it on my back window without me knowing...lol... I just thought I would share that with you guys to see what you thought. Do you think the guy was just a crappy driver or do you think I'm a good driver, or do you think the integra has that much of a advantage in the cornors.

Your V-8 can't touch my sweet Honda Integra XSi.....

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Thats cute.

OOH no Y a saleen :uhoh:
but it's still a kill.............now go play with C6 and MK4! :evillol:

Pictures of your car.....9380 redline, shit man!....take a picture doing that...

maybe i'm just having a brain lapse, but I thought the integra xsi was a jdm all wheel drive integra, that is very rare, and very under powered? it only lasted a few years because of its weak performance? but you are saying that yours is stock yet it is apparently pretty powerful?

I am NOT callin BS I probly just got the letters screwed up, so if not xsi what is the one that I'm thinking of?

maybe i'm just having a brain lapse, but I thought the integra xsi was a jdm all wheel drive integra, that is very rare, and very under powered? it only lasted a few years because of its weak performance? but you are saying that yours is stock yet it is apparently pretty powerful?

I am NOT callin BS I probly just got the letters screwed up, so if not xsi what is the one that I'm thinking of?
"Your V-8 can't touch my sweet Honda Integra XSi"



Sounds very powerful to me, got me skeeered :eek:

He gots me on da twistys yo :worshippy

Was he even racing? To me racing on mountain roads is asking for trouble. If I can't see what's ahead of me, forget about it. Not worth the chance, even if it's a small one, of wrecking my car...

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:rofl: HA! Owned

i'm not to sure what to say...

i'm extremely tempted to call bull....

but :confused:

maybe i'm just having a brain lapse, but I thought the integra xsi was a jdm all wheel drive integra, that is very rare, and very under powered? it only lasted a few years because of its weak performance? but you are saying that yours is stock yet it is apparently pretty powerful?

I am NOT callin BS I probly just got the letters screwed up, so if not xsi what is the one that I'm thinking of?
The Honda Integra XSi was NOT AWD.

To be honest, it is crap, IMO.

Of all the JDM b16's to purchase, the one from the XSi is the last one you should buy. It has the shittiest gearing of all the b16's stock, only had the lower-power b16 (160HP), and never came with LSD, unless it was dealer-installed in Japan.

My old 1990 Integra would have dusted an XSi, stock motor to stock motor, considering it had a genII b16 with 170HP stock, and an LSD transmission...and that car would be hard-pressed to beat any legit Saleen in the twisties, with all that 'Teg's suspension upgrades, since even the Saleens without power-adders get a suspension upgrade.

I won't even think about racing one in a straight-line, even though my old car was a proven mid/high-14 car.

So, unless he was racing a "Faleen", with a V6, I HIGHLY doubt this story. In other words...BullShit.

EDIT:

Here's some info about the XSi:

An owner's page (http://www.integra.orcon.net.nz/)

Listing of b16 specs (http://www.integra.orcon.net.nz/engines)
Notice how the XSi b16 is the lowest-rated

XSi specs (http://www.lyonel.8m.com/projectxsi.htm)

Carrnut, your alright for a Nissan guy man (jk)....I was going to put out the b.s. alert and mention that the Saleen might be the V-6 version but I still wouldn't necessarily buy the kill story. Good call

Carrrnuttt, you're the man.

anyway do you happen to know what integra I was talkin about? I really can't remember what it was, and its buggin the sh#@ outta me now.

there was a thread it was mentioned in awhile back but I can't seem to find it. something about some guy who wanted to try and make a awd teg, but everybody told him honda already tried it and it was a flop.

and back to the thread at hand, I have a 93 gs-r with same hp as what this guy was claiming only slightly lower redline, and i'm almost positive my gearing is better than his, and I know a guy in town with a saleen s281 ( for you non saleen followers thats the "slow" one :naughty: ) and anyway i always fuck with him just to hear and see him floor it to put me in my place, there is no way my car would even be able to tail him... so i found this thread a little odd.

and by the way hondaintegraxsi you claim to be stock in this thread but in others you claim to have a few things done to your car that I would not consider stock? how can you contradict yourself like that????

anyway do you happen to know what integra I was talkin about? I really can't remember what it was, and its buggin the sh#@ outta me now.

You're thinking of the VERY rare, ZXi AWD (most of the ZXi line were FWD).

Only sold in Japan, EVER, and was (under) powered by a DOHC ZC motor with 127HP.

It also only came in automatic and 4-dr...no wonder it died-off. I could only wish Honda had decided to improve the line.

It was also ONLY in the DC2 models, as none of the DA Integra ZXi's were ever AWD.

Here I am reading this with an eyebrow raised and a headache. B16, b18, X21, z12 , awd , ag, sza 1 whatever... :(


All i know is : If it aint a Type R then it aint a tight car! :bananasmi

ohhhh, ok.
thanks for the info carrrnuttt.

at least I knew there was an X in it :loser: haha

Of course anybody can raise a "BS FLAG", but you guys should know that other considerations also come to effect. Such as a bad driver?? There are such things.

mabey the saleen driver was driving cautious....not everyone who drives fast in a straight line knows how to handle curvey roads :grinno:

Of course anybody can raise a "BS FLAG", but you guys should know that other considerations also come to effect. Such as a bad driver?? There are such things.

I don't know about anybody else, but I am particularly raising my BS flag because he sounds like an awestruck fanB01 talking about his Honda.

I'll need more details to believe him, like: what possesed him to spend considerable amounts of money (considering the car) importing the car, when an SiR with a bit more powerful motor, LSD, and lighter can be had for cheaper?

I know this, for my best friend's shop imports these cars whole and in part to sell as JDM parts/cars.

He doesn't sound like the type who would have the knowledge, money, or connections to import a car from another country, unless we're talking Canada or Mexico.

He sounds more like somebody that read about Integra XSi's in some magazine or the internet, and decided to make-up a story about it.

To the original thread starter: How did you import the vehicle here? What condition did you receive it in? The company that imported it? If you imported it yourself, what special condition had to be satisfied for you to be able to pass it through customs?

Answer the above questions, and I might believe you.

i don't think he's coming back lol

Carnutt, you really do live up to your nick. And as Signal stated, I agree that he's not coming back...unless he only posts just to proove us wrong, but in that case I allready would have mentioned the purpose for his return. :grinno:

mabey the saleen driver was driving cautious....not everyone who drives fast in a straight line knows how to handle curvey roads :grinno:

definitely agreed on that one. scares the $@#% out of me to drive in 2 lane curvey roads (such as mountain areas) especially if your trying to pass an 18 wheeler trailer.

Carnutt, you really do live up to your nick. :grinno:

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hey carnutt, hows your car doin? catch 'em damn F@#$%& yet?

saleen prolly wasn't even racing...

this guy is probly one of those guys who sees a hot car and then passes it as fast as possible and then claims he blew away a saleen mustang, even when the other car probly didn't even know what was going on, let alone know that he was apparently being "raced" :disappoin

I dont know any of you guys, but for myself, i sure as hell wouldnt drive a saleen fast through the curves. Be it a saleen or not, its still a mustang. An overpowered, oversteering mustang.

:iagree:

hey carnutt, hows your car doin? catch 'em damn F@#$%& yet?

No...and I doubt if they ever will :(.

They dusted my car for fingerprints, and nothing was found...not even mine...WTF?

It's probably just some file under a folder heading "unsolved" somewhere.

And I still don't have a stereo, or a passenger window...kinda harsh driving in 45-degree mornings, even in AZ.

Ah well, insurance checks should get here next week.

I know that scanning for fingerprints is a pain in the ass and most of the time it won't help anything. If your fingers were to smudge a print already on a door handle it screws it all up.

It's pretty obvious the guy who made this topic is just bs'ing. Why? Simply because he hasn't replied and probably never will, you get that a lot from new members, they'll make up one story and never return to the forums again. Perhaps they forget the website, or perhaps they know trying to explain their bs is just going to make them look more like an idiot.

No...and I doubt if they ever will :(.

They dusted my car for fingerprints, and nothing was found...not even mine...WTF?

It's probably just some file under a folder heading "unsolved" somewhere.

And I still don't have a stereo, or a passenger window...kinda harsh driving in 45-degree mornings, even in AZ.

Ah well, insurance checks should get here next week.

that kinda sucks. :disappoin well at least insurance covered it, get some bad ass mods for your car with the money. :)

I dont know any of you guys, but for myself, i sure as hell wouldnt drive a saleen fast through the curves. Be it a saleen or not, its still a mustang. An overpowered, oversteering mustang.

Overpowered? That's like saying, "Aren't Jenna Jameson's breasts just a little too big?".

One of the benefits of having a Mustang is the wealth of aftermarket parts. Tubular K-members, tubular control arms, coil-over shocks, panhard rod, aluminum upper and lower rear control arms, and a hefty set of subframe connectors with jacking points.

Suspension parts can go well beyond the ubiquitous Eibach springs and Tokico shocks with strut-bars and anti-roll bars.

However, it's true that small cars inherently handle more nimbly because of their lighter weight, but it is possible to make a large car handle nimbly as well.

I wont deny the fact that "heavy" (in comparison to some) cars CAN handle good. I was just putting in the fact that lots of power leads to oversteer-not good for mountain roads heh heh.

Is a Corvette a heavy car to you? I mean Mustang GT's are generally only a 100 pounds more then a Vette, unless its fully loaded.

yowzers! my argument is oversteer, not weight! i have a feeling im gonna get flamed by the muscle guys...

I wont deny the fact that "heavy" (in comparison to some) cars CAN handle good. I was just putting in the fact that lots of power leads to oversteer-not good for mountain roads heh heh.


cars when driven RIGHT...what ever drivetrain it has, may it be fwd or rwd...or what ever power it has, wont oversteer. any car when driven RIGHT would kick-ass regardless of what power it has...i think. :biggrin:

its not really the fact that its "overpowered" that would cause oversteer. its the fact that its rwd.

cars when driven RIGHT...what ever drivetrain it has, may it be fwd or rwd...or what ever power it has, wont oversteer. any car when driven RIGHT would kick-ass regardless of what power it has...i think. :biggrin:

I'll take a nice, safe, Volvo when driving through mountain roads. Even the best driver with the best car could snap loose when asphalt meets gravel. Once that happens, you want as many airbags as can be stuffed into a passenger compartment.
Oh yeah, and a clean pair of underwear to change into once it's all over.


:)

I have to chime in and say that while I don't generally tear up mountain roads I would much prefer a rwd car over a fwd car on a twisty road course in general. (I live in the mountains and can assure you it is a very good way to die.)

It really all boils down to preference, but I will point out that you do not see fwd in F1, CART, or in any other uber-serious road racing efforts. Why? Simple, all that oversteer works to the advantage of the driver who knows how to use it. Understeer, well, just doesn't do anyone much good. Not to mention when the tires that do the steering also have to drive the car that is a compromise in and of itself. Only so much traction on one end of the car....and now it has to turn AND accelerate.

Understand, I am not flaming fwd here as I like and have enjoyed many fwd cars in my time. Many automakers have done a fine job of making fwd cars that handle awesome. But, lets remember that rwd is the more road race worthy all else being equal of the two designs in virtually any serious drivers opinion. When Ferrari or Aston Martin makes a fwd car...call me.

i'd have to agree with you whole heartedly on that syr74.

how has this thread gone for three pages worth of posts? this kid starts a poll asking people if they think that hes a good driver. well let me think...you just gave us a 5 minute fantasy story that sounds like something a 5 year old who knew what an integra is told. im gonna go out on a limb and say not only are you probably the shittiest driver ever, you also dont know dick about cars. no way in hell is a "stock" car with an "H" on the hood EVER, and i mean it, gonna beat a saleen mustang. not an NSX or anything.

even though youll probably never respond to my post, acuraintegraxti, youll always hold a special place in my heart: the place where people with fast ass mo fo cars are...
...i say this with my bullshit flag waving proud...

no way in hell is a "stock" car with an "H" on the hood EVER, and i mean it, gonna beat a saleen mustang. not an NSX or anything. Are you "pheucking" kidding me?

NO Stock Honda will beat a Saleen...ever?

Do you have ANY idea what the hell Saleens are? There are TONS of 14-second Saleens out there, and probably a spattering of 15-second ones as well.

Except for the S281-E and the S351, which are both supercharged, a lot of Saleens are basically just Mustang GT's with the Saleen body-kit, wheels, exhaust and intake.

They are just as fast as a stock GT, because all the "power-adders" do is compensate for the extra-weight added to the car.

Stock S2000's give those kind a good run, usually. The 2004 S2000's which are dynoing about 20HP MORE stock-for-stock against earlier model S2000's, should be an even better match. A C32 NSX would have no problem whatsoever, while a C30 one would still walk it.

As for the supercharged ones, check here:
http://fordpower.hypermart.net/99saleenspecs1.html

If I am to believe that skewed site, C32 NSX's have strong chances against either S/C'd version, as the C32 NSX's are capable of VERY low 13's, and have also been known to break into the 12's, stock.

That's not even considering the NSX-R, or the K20-powered DC5 Integra Type R's (RSX in the US). The NSX-R is a mid/high 12 second car, while the latest ITR is a high 13-second car.

So, the next time you feel like saying EVER or NEVER, think about it first.

Edit: I call the site above "skewed" because they sit there and claim the S281 and S351 as weighing about 3070lbs each, when the cars they're adding all kinds of stuff to, WITHOUT taking any away, weigh about 3300lbs.

ha ha...youre exactly right. ever and never are absolutely terrible words to use on here. they usually prompt flamings and thats probably what i should get. :chair: i dont like mustangs at all. i dont know why i tried to defend them...i feel i have defamed the coveted honda logo.

what i dont like even more is people making up stories about how they took someguys saleen in an integra. just the other day i spent hours online looking at nsx specs and now that i compare them to the saleen specs i have found that they are incredibly comparable cars. i guess i overestimated (once again) the power of domestic cars.

the day i get out of law school ive swore to myself that im gonna put a down payment on an nsx..kind of a goal to set. but for now im gonna go out and wash the lude... :dogpile:

I am in N/C in the week and in my cabin on off days in TN and I got the car because a friend of mine had it and crashed the SOB so he sold it to me for 1000 bucks. I have done nothing to the car yet he had claimed to have a spoon clutch and flywheel, ported and polished head, spoon gears,spoon ECU, tokico struts,haspot cable to hydro conversion, and nitto 455 (195/55/15) touring tires. Maybe it was a 6 cylender, but I dunno. Thats why I poset, to see what others had to say about it. IT WAS A KILL!

I also drive down this road twice a week, I know it like the back of my hand. like I said he became a speck right before he took the corner, but down by the switchbacks, I caught up to him, and passed him. you can wave the B/S flag if you want, but I put a saleene kill in my recordbook.

I am in N/C in the week and in my cabin on off days in TN and I got the car because a friend of mine had it and crashed the SOB so he sold it to me for 1000 bucks. I have done nothing to the car yet he had claimed to have a spoon clutch and flywheel, ported and polished head, spoon gears,spoon ECU, tokico struts,haspot cable to hydro conversion, and nitto 455 (195/55/15) touring tires. Maybe it was a 6 cylender, but I dunno. Thats why I poset, to see what others had to say about it. IT WAS A KILL!


thats what he claims...how do you know for sure what he claimed was true? :flipa: :bs:

wtf...he came back :confused: :eek7:

Damn right I came back, what did you think, I would bail???? nah this sight is to helpful. I do have a question though.. I know there are forums for this, but alot of people are already reading this. when I place my electrical system under stress the motor kicks down to 500 rpm's, the retreaves back to 1130 rpm idle. Does this mean my altinator or something is about to go, or is this normal?? any replys to my question would be greatful..

i'm not an expert on this, but 1130 idle seems a wee bit high to me. is this when the engine's cold?

at about 55 degree outside, elevation at about 4500ft here ot 1000ft at my other house. the motor just kicks down to 500rpm and acts like its going to kill,and then retrive back up to 1130 rpm, this is when the altinator kicks in or when I turn the A/C on.

my car idles at about 800rpm

if that helps any.. :dunno:

I would deff call bull shit.........from the sound of the story it doesnt even seem like the saleen was racing? sounds like this guy was racing himself (if the story is even true) :loser:

ive yet to race a saleen, have raced a few cobra GT's (bone stock, only won by half a length or so) and beat them in my rex (B18A swap, a few other minor upgrades also) i loved sein their faces when they realize they lost to a "riced out 4 banger" tho......

This morning on my drive to the meat shop in Pigonfordge,TN to buy some steaks to throw on the grill for tonight, I started the car and could hear the hum of the altinator; I think I might take it to a machanic. it was about 25 degrees outside, but I am at about 4500 or so feet above sealevel?? could 451,000 km(about 280,000 miles) mean a full replacemeant motor, or maybe even a rebuild??

My B20B block came in today,and I am waiting on my LSD... These will be the first mods I personally will due to the car, and I think I'll check out the problem I am having while I'm in there.

HondaIntegraXSI (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=113633), first, try asking your questions in the Let's get Technical! (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1041) forum.

Second, you haven't answered any of my questions, or even responded to all your naysayers in this forum. I must admit, you're pretty-good with changing the subject...but now that I've put it squarely back onto the believability issue, I would ask you to respond.

Wouldn't want fellow AF'ers to waste advice on a non-existent car, ya know?

woah woah woah.... wait a minute here.
correct me if I'm wrong on any of this please...

first you claim to be stock and beat a saleen
then you claim in another thread to have some kind of souped up suspension ( i can't remember the details off the top of my head)
and now you are claiming to have spoon clutch, spoon flywheel, blah, blah, blah...

WTF???????

if you're gonna make up stories at least stick to one of them... its much more believable when you only spittin out one tall tale at a time.

so maybe if you typoed :sly: or something when you said you were stock and you really do have this suspension and all the other crap you now mention, it is possible to beat some Saleens...not all, and not many of them... buut I still say he wasn't racing...

knorwj, when I said stock it wasn't completely correct.... when I say stock I mean it was this way when I bought it.... Here is what J.J. put on the car b4 I bought it.
spoon clutch
spoon flywheel
ported and polished head w/ multi-angle valve job
.010 inches milled off head
spoon gears ( 1st,2nd,3rd,4th are spoon, 5th is stock)
spoon ECU
prothane susp bushings
tokico struts
haspot cable to hydro conversion
and nitto 455 (195/55/15) touring tires.

B20B block, my first accual mod, came in yesterday...
I ordered A LSD for a ITR to put in my car, still waiting on it..
i am guessing I run a 1/4 in about 15-16 sec
I know I run a 0-60 in 5.7
Like I said, the mustang killed me on the staight, it had saleene across the front windshild, like, I think it was carnut said, it might have been a faleene, or a V-6.... this is why i wrote... I just wanted to see what you guys thought.......

HondaIntegra, I dont think the guy was a 'crappy driver'. Hes just alot smarter than you are by realizing that its really not worth racing. And by the way you speak/type, I figure that he is probably alot older and more mature than you are. Its TWITS like you that cause accidents to happen! Grow up buddy! :iceslolan

good job on digging up a post to flame somebody..