u bend
smoovrider
11-22-2003, 01:43 PM
hey i went to a muffler shop and the guy to me it was a mast of money to take the u bend off. now be honest wit me has anyone actually felt the difference when they took there off? did it give u like more horsepower or it just let the air out ur exhaust more smoother?
The Burning Rom
11-24-2003, 11:45 AM
Nobody has ever dynoed to see the differences, but it is estimated that it is a 3hp or so gain. It just helps the exhaust flow a lot better.
carnutcass
11-24-2003, 02:11 PM
It's probably fair to say that if you don't plan to do other performance mods then yes, deleting the u-bend IS a waste of time and money. However, if you plan to add a smaller pulley, CAI, thermostat, and other go-fast mods then every little bit helps. If you've never looked at a U-bend when it's off the car I can tell you, it is clearly a restrictice part of the system.
The Burning Rom
11-24-2003, 07:14 PM
I would agree that it's very restrictive....look at my comparsion pic from my pipe install :naughty:
http://www.neonix.org/nero/gt/pipe/ubend2.jpg
http://www.neonix.org/nero/gt/pipe/ubend2.jpg
kilroypr
11-25-2003, 09:53 AM
I would agree that it's very restrictive....look at my comparsion pic from my pipe install :naughty:
http://www.neonix.org/nero/gt/pipe/ubend2.jpg
THis means that my 320bhp GTP could get any gains from straigthing up the bend? Where you got your straight one. Have not seen it before
http://www.neonix.org/nero/gt/pipe/ubend2.jpg
THis means that my 320bhp GTP could get any gains from straigthing up the bend? Where you got your straight one. Have not seen it before
carnutcass
11-25-2003, 10:32 AM
What mods have you made to your car kilroypr? I really don't mean to sound like a dick, but how in the world are you producing 320 hp? Are you talking about flywheel hp?
Take that u-bend off and throw it as far as you can.
Take that u-bend off and throw it as far as you can.
The Burning Rom
11-25-2003, 10:42 AM
The straight pipe is an RT downpipe from www.3800performance.com
smoovrider
11-25-2003, 01:34 PM
iight ill have it removed. i did order a stat 160 but i was the wrong one i neededa 180 and i dont think i can send it back i had almost three months i dont see what the problem is why wont it work? i got a fwi system. im ordering the westwing spoiler next month.
got another questiong any one know what u can buy two different set of rims. cuz i want to pust 18.5 in the back and 18 in the front, can some one give me a site to look at thanks
got another questiong any one know what u can buy two different set of rims. cuz i want to pust 18.5 in the back and 18 in the front, can some one give me a site to look at thanks
The Burning Rom
11-25-2003, 02:53 PM
iight ill have it removed. i did order a stat 160 but i was the wrong one i neededa 180 and i dont think i can send it back i had almost three months i dont see what the problem is why wont it work? i got a fwi system. im ordering the westwing spoiler next month.
got another questiong any one know what u can buy two different set of rims. cuz i want to pust 18.5 in the back and 18 in the front, can some one give me a site to look at thanks
The 160 will hurt your performance unless you have your PCM modified with lower fan turn on points. I'm running a 160 right now with a stock PCM....not good :disappoin My mileage sure suffered.
As for the wheels...I'm not sure they make 18.5" rims for the GPs. :eek7: I know for sure that they make them for trailers. Either way, there is a good chance it will screw with your ABS if you mix rim/tire sizes. That's a chance I wouldn't take. If you wanna take that chance, the best place to look at is www.tirerack.com
got another questiong any one know what u can buy two different set of rims. cuz i want to pust 18.5 in the back and 18 in the front, can some one give me a site to look at thanks
The 160 will hurt your performance unless you have your PCM modified with lower fan turn on points. I'm running a 160 right now with a stock PCM....not good :disappoin My mileage sure suffered.
As for the wheels...I'm not sure they make 18.5" rims for the GPs. :eek7: I know for sure that they make them for trailers. Either way, there is a good chance it will screw with your ABS if you mix rim/tire sizes. That's a chance I wouldn't take. If you wanna take that chance, the best place to look at is www.tirerack.com
smoovrider
11-26-2003, 12:52 PM
oh thats what i thought. well i got a unusable stat guess i could sell it on ebay. yea they do sell 18.5 but i dont see how that could mess up my abs. but thanks anyways man
kilroypr
11-26-2003, 09:17 PM
What mods have you made to your car kilroypr? I really don't mean to sound like a dick, but how in the world are you producing 320 hp? Are you talking about flywheel hp?
Take that u-bend off and throw it as far as you can.
Well, I have not made that many modifications but the dyno test shows 295hp. Here is what I have done so far. I installed new 3800 crate engine with reinforced piston arms. I installed a machined eaton supercharger with a 3.2" pulley. This pulley pump on the car 14psi, this is the first time I hear a SC unload pressure when reving the engine.
I assume the 2.4" pulley pumps around 20psi(I have only used it once and was not checking the boost gage I installed). I lowered the std transaxle gear ratio from 3.29 to 2.93 and in theory I am supposed to reach around 160mph at 5500 rpms
I reprogrammed the ECU(PCM, for understanding of other comrades), to do the trick. IT is not the engine alone. I can say I have 320hp at the flywheel because 295hp dyno test.
The ECU has Honda's V-Tec technology and controls how and when the automatic transaxle will shift gears and what clutches engage at any given time.
The added engine bhp with the ECU are to compensate for a slugish start a heavier gear ratio will put on the car. I can not tell you exactly the ECU magic but I asked the guy that reprogrammed it to add V-Tech like behaviour, take out the speed limit, pump the torque to 300 and have around 300bhp.
He modified the length of injector intake and the crank position sensor signalling for the V-tech thing among other things. The only mechanical modifications made to the engine were the reinforced piston arms and the modified eaton supercharger, besides that everything else is on the ECU and transaxel combination. Even the transaxel acts like a 6 speed on high gear because of multiple clutches engaging.
That is why the dyno test shows 295bhp and I can assume the engine is around 320bhp.
I have raced a Porsche Cayenne S and nailed the sucker at 138mph, 12psi and engine reving at 4750rpms.
That is honest to the truth what I have on my 98 GTP.
Take that u-bend off and throw it as far as you can.
Well, I have not made that many modifications but the dyno test shows 295hp. Here is what I have done so far. I installed new 3800 crate engine with reinforced piston arms. I installed a machined eaton supercharger with a 3.2" pulley. This pulley pump on the car 14psi, this is the first time I hear a SC unload pressure when reving the engine.
I assume the 2.4" pulley pumps around 20psi(I have only used it once and was not checking the boost gage I installed). I lowered the std transaxle gear ratio from 3.29 to 2.93 and in theory I am supposed to reach around 160mph at 5500 rpms
I reprogrammed the ECU(PCM, for understanding of other comrades), to do the trick. IT is not the engine alone. I can say I have 320hp at the flywheel because 295hp dyno test.
The ECU has Honda's V-Tec technology and controls how and when the automatic transaxle will shift gears and what clutches engage at any given time.
The added engine bhp with the ECU are to compensate for a slugish start a heavier gear ratio will put on the car. I can not tell you exactly the ECU magic but I asked the guy that reprogrammed it to add V-Tech like behaviour, take out the speed limit, pump the torque to 300 and have around 300bhp.
He modified the length of injector intake and the crank position sensor signalling for the V-tech thing among other things. The only mechanical modifications made to the engine were the reinforced piston arms and the modified eaton supercharger, besides that everything else is on the ECU and transaxel combination. Even the transaxel acts like a 6 speed on high gear because of multiple clutches engaging.
That is why the dyno test shows 295bhp and I can assume the engine is around 320bhp.
I have raced a Porsche Cayenne S and nailed the sucker at 138mph, 12psi and engine reving at 4750rpms.
That is honest to the truth what I have on my 98 GTP.
kilroypr
11-26-2003, 09:29 PM
oh thats what i thought. well i got a unusable stat guess i could sell it on ebay. yea they do sell 18.5 but i dont see how that could mess up my abs. but thanks anyways man
The reason it can mess your abs is that the ABS Module has a sensor on each tire. It knows when to engage bacause all tires are not turning at the same speed when on normal conditions they should be almost all turning at the same speed. When this happes it will try to make the faster spinnig tires go slower and reach the slower spinning tires speed when you press the break pedal. That is why the low traction light turns on when you burn rubber, there are tires running faster than others on your car is the same principle applied to starting not stopping.
if by any chance you alter how the abs determines when your car is slipping then you wont get the ABS bennefits at all because it might not engage when you need it.
IS not that is going to break it but will blind it a little.
The reason it can mess your abs is that the ABS Module has a sensor on each tire. It knows when to engage bacause all tires are not turning at the same speed when on normal conditions they should be almost all turning at the same speed. When this happes it will try to make the faster spinnig tires go slower and reach the slower spinning tires speed when you press the break pedal. That is why the low traction light turns on when you burn rubber, there are tires running faster than others on your car is the same principle applied to starting not stopping.
if by any chance you alter how the abs determines when your car is slipping then you wont get the ABS bennefits at all because it might not engage when you need it.
IS not that is going to break it but will blind it a little.
smoovrider
12-02-2003, 02:09 PM
okay i got. i should have bought me a gtp in stead of a gt.
ydtrack
12-02-2003, 03:15 PM
Removing the U-bend AND resonator will produce some noticable differences on the freeway.
You can have a U-bend delete fabricated or buy one from PFYC.
http://www.pfyc.com/store/graphics/new/wb5001s.jpg
The resonator is also a big restriction as it is open in the front but chambered in the back producing yet another bottleneck for the exhaust.
You can have a U-bend delete fabricated or buy one from PFYC.
http://www.pfyc.com/store/graphics/new/wb5001s.jpg
The resonator is also a big restriction as it is open in the front but chambered in the back producing yet another bottleneck for the exhaust.
brianteel
12-02-2003, 08:00 PM
Well, I have not made that many modifications but the dyno test shows 295hp. Here is what I have done so far. I installed new 3800 crate engine with reinforced piston arms. I installed a machined eaton supercharger with a 3.2" pulley. This pulley pump on the car 14psi, this is the first time I hear a SC unload pressure when reving the engine.
I assume the 2.4" pulley pumps around 20psi(I have only used it once and was not checking the boost gage I installed). I lowered the std transaxle gear ratio from 3.29 to 2.93 and in theory I am supposed to reach around 160mph at 5500 rpms
I reprogrammed the ECU(PCM, for understanding of other comrades), to do the trick. IT is not the engine alone. I can say I have 320hp at the flywheel because 295hp dyno test.
The ECU has Honda's V-Tec technology and controls how and when the automatic transaxle will shift gears and what clutches engage at any given time.
The added engine bhp with the ECU are to compensate for a slugish start a heavier gear ratio will put on the car. I can not tell you exactly the ECU magic but I asked the guy that reprogrammed it to add V-Tech like behaviour, take out the speed limit, pump the torque to 300 and have around 300bhp.
He modified the length of injector intake and the crank position sensor signalling for the V-tech thing among other things. The only mechanical modifications made to the engine were the reinforced piston arms and the modified eaton supercharger, besides that everything else is on the ECU and transaxel combination. Even the transaxel acts like a 6 speed on high gear because of multiple clutches engaging.
That is why the dyno test shows 295bhp and I can assume the engine is around 320bhp.
I have raced a Porsche Cayenne S and nailed the sucker at 138mph, 12psi and engine reving at 4750rpms.
That is honest to the truth what I have on my 98 GTP.
are you stupid or something...how long have you had your car that you think all this stuff. you think with a crate motor and a ported super you will have 320hp. I dont think so. where is this dyno read out. and the stock gearing in the GTP is 2.93 not 3.29. Next time you get something done on your GTP go to www.clubgp.com and ask some questions. What reinforced rods are you talking about?????? V-tec in hondas has to do with changing valve height.
I assume the 2.4" pulley pumps around 20psi(I have only used it once and was not checking the boost gage I installed). I lowered the std transaxle gear ratio from 3.29 to 2.93 and in theory I am supposed to reach around 160mph at 5500 rpms
I reprogrammed the ECU(PCM, for understanding of other comrades), to do the trick. IT is not the engine alone. I can say I have 320hp at the flywheel because 295hp dyno test.
The ECU has Honda's V-Tec technology and controls how and when the automatic transaxle will shift gears and what clutches engage at any given time.
The added engine bhp with the ECU are to compensate for a slugish start a heavier gear ratio will put on the car. I can not tell you exactly the ECU magic but I asked the guy that reprogrammed it to add V-Tech like behaviour, take out the speed limit, pump the torque to 300 and have around 300bhp.
He modified the length of injector intake and the crank position sensor signalling for the V-tech thing among other things. The only mechanical modifications made to the engine were the reinforced piston arms and the modified eaton supercharger, besides that everything else is on the ECU and transaxel combination. Even the transaxel acts like a 6 speed on high gear because of multiple clutches engaging.
That is why the dyno test shows 295bhp and I can assume the engine is around 320bhp.
I have raced a Porsche Cayenne S and nailed the sucker at 138mph, 12psi and engine reving at 4750rpms.
That is honest to the truth what I have on my 98 GTP.
are you stupid or something...how long have you had your car that you think all this stuff. you think with a crate motor and a ported super you will have 320hp. I dont think so. where is this dyno read out. and the stock gearing in the GTP is 2.93 not 3.29. Next time you get something done on your GTP go to www.clubgp.com and ask some questions. What reinforced rods are you talking about?????? V-tec in hondas has to do with changing valve height.
Allowencer
12-02-2003, 09:33 PM
Well, I have not made that many modifications but the dyno test shows 295hp. Here is what I have done so far. I installed new 3800 crate engine with reinforced piston arms. I installed a machined eaton supercharger with a 3.2" pulley. This pulley pump on the car 14psi, this is the first time I hear a SC unload pressure when reving the engine.
I assume the 2.4" pulley pumps around 20psi(I have only used it once and was not checking the boost gage I installed). I lowered the std transaxle gear ratio from 3.29 to 2.93 and in theory I am supposed to reach around 160mph at 5500 rpms
I reprogrammed the ECU(PCM, for understanding of other comrades), to do the trick. IT is not the engine alone. I can say I have 320hp at the flywheel because 295hp dyno test.
The ECU has Honda's V-Tec technology and controls how and when the automatic transaxle will shift gears and what clutches engage at any given time.
The added engine bhp with the ECU are to compensate for a slugish start a heavier gear ratio will put on the car. I can not tell you exactly the ECU magic but I asked the guy that reprogrammed it to add V-Tech like behaviour, take out the speed limit, pump the torque to 300 and have around 300bhp.
He modified the length of injector intake and the crank position sensor signalling for the V-tech thing among other things. The only mechanical modifications made to the engine were the reinforced piston arms and the modified eaton supercharger, besides that everything else is on the ECU and transaxel combination. Even the transaxel acts like a 6 speed on high gear because of multiple clutches engaging.
That is why the dyno test shows 295bhp and I can assume the engine is around 320bhp.
I have raced a Porsche Cayenne S and nailed the sucker at 138mph, 12psi and engine reving at 4750rpms.
That is honest to the truth what I have on my 98 GTP.
1st off like everyone has said already, there is NO WAY in hell you could make that much power even at the wheels.
You said you ran a 2.4 pulley? What modular setup? They dont make those in press on style AND you need to shave down the snout to accept that pulley. Also if you ran a 2.4 w/o any supporting mods, GUARENTEED you would have popped a piston
There is also no way your trans can act like a 6 speed, there are 3 gears in the transmission in the GTP and then an OD (overdrive). If you even understood how the 4t65e-hd worked you would realize that what you are talking about is not even remotly correct. You can't just tell the PCM to run a different gearing in the trans w/ converting the gearing ratio mechanically within the transaxle itself. Like someone else said to, a GTP w/ a 4t65e-hd tranny has a 2.93 gear ratio and a 4t65e (GP-GT) has 3.29.
I feel sorry for you if you paid some guy to made changes to your PCM and he gave you all that line of V-Tech crap. Do you understand that V-Tech is mechanical? driven by a 3rd lobe on the cams and the rockers are engaged by an oil v-tech controled solenoid?
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about, and like I have said, if you are just repeating what some guy told you, I'm sorry
I assume the 2.4" pulley pumps around 20psi(I have only used it once and was not checking the boost gage I installed). I lowered the std transaxle gear ratio from 3.29 to 2.93 and in theory I am supposed to reach around 160mph at 5500 rpms
I reprogrammed the ECU(PCM, for understanding of other comrades), to do the trick. IT is not the engine alone. I can say I have 320hp at the flywheel because 295hp dyno test.
The ECU has Honda's V-Tec technology and controls how and when the automatic transaxle will shift gears and what clutches engage at any given time.
The added engine bhp with the ECU are to compensate for a slugish start a heavier gear ratio will put on the car. I can not tell you exactly the ECU magic but I asked the guy that reprogrammed it to add V-Tech like behaviour, take out the speed limit, pump the torque to 300 and have around 300bhp.
He modified the length of injector intake and the crank position sensor signalling for the V-tech thing among other things. The only mechanical modifications made to the engine were the reinforced piston arms and the modified eaton supercharger, besides that everything else is on the ECU and transaxel combination. Even the transaxel acts like a 6 speed on high gear because of multiple clutches engaging.
That is why the dyno test shows 295bhp and I can assume the engine is around 320bhp.
I have raced a Porsche Cayenne S and nailed the sucker at 138mph, 12psi and engine reving at 4750rpms.
That is honest to the truth what I have on my 98 GTP.
1st off like everyone has said already, there is NO WAY in hell you could make that much power even at the wheels.
You said you ran a 2.4 pulley? What modular setup? They dont make those in press on style AND you need to shave down the snout to accept that pulley. Also if you ran a 2.4 w/o any supporting mods, GUARENTEED you would have popped a piston
There is also no way your trans can act like a 6 speed, there are 3 gears in the transmission in the GTP and then an OD (overdrive). If you even understood how the 4t65e-hd worked you would realize that what you are talking about is not even remotly correct. You can't just tell the PCM to run a different gearing in the trans w/ converting the gearing ratio mechanically within the transaxle itself. Like someone else said to, a GTP w/ a 4t65e-hd tranny has a 2.93 gear ratio and a 4t65e (GP-GT) has 3.29.
I feel sorry for you if you paid some guy to made changes to your PCM and he gave you all that line of V-Tech crap. Do you understand that V-Tech is mechanical? driven by a 3rd lobe on the cams and the rockers are engaged by an oil v-tech controled solenoid?
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about, and like I have said, if you are just repeating what some guy told you, I'm sorry
GTPCatz
12-06-2003, 09:51 PM
very interesting....
is this true kilroypr?
is this true kilroypr?
Allowencer
12-07-2003, 12:09 AM
Well? Where's the truth? (bump)
GTPCatz
12-09-2003, 12:04 PM
Ttt
carnutcass
12-09-2003, 01:23 PM
The truth????? You can't handle the truth!!! :smokin:
http://www.stlclubgp.com/uploads/pics/Nicholson.jpg
http://www.stlclubgp.com/uploads/pics/Nicholson.jpg
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 09:10 AM
1st off like everyone has said already, there is NO WAY in hell you could make that much power even at the wheels.
You said you ran a 2.4 pulley? What modular setup? They dont make those in press on style AND you need to shave down the snout to accept that pulley. Also if you ran a 2.4 w/o any supporting mods, GUARENTEED you would have popped a piston
There is also no way your trans can act like a 6 speed, there are 3 gears in the transmission in the GTP and then an OD (overdrive). If you even understood how the 4t65e-hd worked you would realize that what you are talking about is not even remotly correct. You can't just tell the PCM to run a different gearing in the trans w/ converting the gearing ratio mechanically within the transaxle itself. Like someone else said to, a GTP w/ a 4t65e-hd tranny has a 2.93 gear ratio and a 4t65e (GP-GT) has 3.29.
I feel sorry for you if you paid some guy to made changes to your PCM and he gave you all that line of V-Tech crap. Do you understand that V-Tech is mechanical? driven by a 3rd lobe on the cams and the rockers are engaged by an oil v-tech controled solenoid?
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about, and like I have said, if you are just repeating what some guy told you, I'm sorry
You do not have to feel sorry for me. I love how the car behaves. I bought a modified 3800 crate engine, modified transaxel that goes with it and PCM(ECU) that goes with it.
It might not know as much as you say you know but I have great performance and like what the dyno says.
And again it is your prerogative to believe or not. I am driving the car
without any piston poping nor any KR's or codes, again sorry to dissapoint you all.
What they engine had inside besides the reinforced arms well God
knows. What is important is what I am getting out of it.
I don't really care if you beleive me or not. I know what I am getting
and I am loving it.
So have a great day.
You said you ran a 2.4 pulley? What modular setup? They dont make those in press on style AND you need to shave down the snout to accept that pulley. Also if you ran a 2.4 w/o any supporting mods, GUARENTEED you would have popped a piston
There is also no way your trans can act like a 6 speed, there are 3 gears in the transmission in the GTP and then an OD (overdrive). If you even understood how the 4t65e-hd worked you would realize that what you are talking about is not even remotly correct. You can't just tell the PCM to run a different gearing in the trans w/ converting the gearing ratio mechanically within the transaxle itself. Like someone else said to, a GTP w/ a 4t65e-hd tranny has a 2.93 gear ratio and a 4t65e (GP-GT) has 3.29.
I feel sorry for you if you paid some guy to made changes to your PCM and he gave you all that line of V-Tech crap. Do you understand that V-Tech is mechanical? driven by a 3rd lobe on the cams and the rockers are engaged by an oil v-tech controled solenoid?
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about, and like I have said, if you are just repeating what some guy told you, I'm sorry
You do not have to feel sorry for me. I love how the car behaves. I bought a modified 3800 crate engine, modified transaxel that goes with it and PCM(ECU) that goes with it.
It might not know as much as you say you know but I have great performance and like what the dyno says.
And again it is your prerogative to believe or not. I am driving the car
without any piston poping nor any KR's or codes, again sorry to dissapoint you all.
What they engine had inside besides the reinforced arms well God
knows. What is important is what I am getting out of it.
I don't really care if you beleive me or not. I know what I am getting
and I am loving it.
So have a great day.
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 09:23 AM
are you stupid or something...how long have you had your car that you think all this stuff. you think with a crate motor and a ported super you will have 320hp. I dont think so. where is this dyno read out. and the stock gearing in the GTP is 2.93 not 3.29. Next time you get something done on your GTP go to www.clubgp.com and ask some questions. What reinforced rods are you talking about?????? V-tec in hondas has to do with changing valve height.
My car came factory installed with a 3.29. Check the VIN number if you want (1G2WP5215WF267055). Anyways, I lowered to 2.93 for better high end speed. I am not near stupid. I know what I wanted and I paid when I saw it. A Stock GTP on the DYNO mine was tested had 220 to 225 at the wheels, mine had 295hp at the wheels the same day tested an hour later. There is no way they changed the machine to give false reading. This horsepower is required there to enhance startup on a heavier tranny. The original one was 3.29.
The Crate engine came with some other modifications besides the piston and piston(arms) I called this 'bielas". So it could be modified valves and cam. I do not have the exact details beause I paid the job based on the Dyno reading. It was 295 on the wheels.
So what you think you are? GoD?
Leave me alone, I am not messing with you.
I know what I wanted and I got it.
If you do not like me posting on this site, then do not read it.
The same goes to you ROM.
When you get 15k to modify you car all the way around like I did
then you can call me whatever. I paid someone to give me what I wanted and I got it. If you have a problem with that, then I am really sorry for you.
Bottom Line when you got enough cash to mod you get whatever the hell you want.
If you do not like me posting just do not read it.
My car came factory installed with a 3.29. Check the VIN number if you want (1G2WP5215WF267055). Anyways, I lowered to 2.93 for better high end speed. I am not near stupid. I know what I wanted and I paid when I saw it. A Stock GTP on the DYNO mine was tested had 220 to 225 at the wheels, mine had 295hp at the wheels the same day tested an hour later. There is no way they changed the machine to give false reading. This horsepower is required there to enhance startup on a heavier tranny. The original one was 3.29.
The Crate engine came with some other modifications besides the piston and piston(arms) I called this 'bielas". So it could be modified valves and cam. I do not have the exact details beause I paid the job based on the Dyno reading. It was 295 on the wheels.
So what you think you are? GoD?
Leave me alone, I am not messing with you.
I know what I wanted and I got it.
If you do not like me posting on this site, then do not read it.
The same goes to you ROM.
When you get 15k to modify you car all the way around like I did
then you can call me whatever. I paid someone to give me what I wanted and I got it. If you have a problem with that, then I am really sorry for you.
Bottom Line when you got enough cash to mod you get whatever the hell you want.
If you do not like me posting just do not read it.
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 11:55 AM
All:
I will make a long story short. My GTP drowned at the dealership on STORM season back in 98. Got it real cheap(was not as strong as a normal GTP) but was good.
This GP had 79k miles on the odo When cruising the transaxle shifted to neutral the engine was debilitated because of what happened originally and consequently busted.
The car was sitting there for 6 months. Got a payment for a
special assignment and then I decided that if the imports can have 300hp+ and 150MPH+ V6's cars so could we. I contracted a Chief Mechanic from my Local GM dealer to give me what I wanted.
A 300HP+ and 150MPH+ GP.
What I got was a 295HP(as far as what the Dyno said)
and so far 138MPH car. Not bad based on what I
wanted originally.
The only modifications the car has are on the engine, SC, suspension and transaxle.
The car still has the Catalytic Converter and stock looks as you can see:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180KilStockEngineLook.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/501/114180KilGPTLeftRear.jpg
The only signal of modifications are the SLP spoiler that I have not painted yet cause I am waiting for the hood, NOS and related hardware(want to paint it all at once):
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180KilGTPRear.jpg
The small 3.2 Thunder SC pulley:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180KilGTP3_4Pulley.jpg
And the slotted/drilled discs:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/114180KilGTPSlotedDiscs1.jpg
I have a small 2.4" pulley for special ocations(only used once so far):
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180kilGTP2_34Pulley2.jpg
For those if you that think that V-Tec is only at the cams. How the hell then the ECU(PCM) knows when to fire. Maybe I used the term incorrectly because my GP can retard or forward ignition firing depending on the Performance Shift Setting, TCS and driving conditions. That is what I understand Variable Ignition Timing is, if that is not it then excuse me.
Sorry to disappoint you because the car does not have any codes, KR or malfunction at all.
Also I know that the transaxle only has 3 gears and OD. But if used wisely(PCM Wisely) and the correct gear ratio you can get excellent performance. Among other things when the Performane Shift is engaged my transaxle will shift from OD to 2nd gear on demand or from 3rd gear to 1st gear on demand. That is what I got, because how
you can achieve 138Mph at 4750 on a std 2.93 transaxle or 3.29 for that matter without the correct clutches and ECU(PCM) support on this kind of vehicle?
As a matter of fact my car came from factory 3.29(you can check the VIN:1G2WP5215WF267055) and I lowered to 2.93 as recommended by the technician to achieve easier the higher speeds that I wanted at lower RPM’s .
I have invested so far on engine, transaxle and SC and related hardware around 15k.
I am getting what I wanted. If you want to believe it fine, if not I am the one driving this import(big cars) killer around. I would really appreciate you people that if do not have
anything good to say please do not say it. This site is supposed to be a meeting place for people with similar interests and tastes and have a great time. Let’s keep it that way shall we?
I will make a long story short. My GTP drowned at the dealership on STORM season back in 98. Got it real cheap(was not as strong as a normal GTP) but was good.
This GP had 79k miles on the odo When cruising the transaxle shifted to neutral the engine was debilitated because of what happened originally and consequently busted.
The car was sitting there for 6 months. Got a payment for a
special assignment and then I decided that if the imports can have 300hp+ and 150MPH+ V6's cars so could we. I contracted a Chief Mechanic from my Local GM dealer to give me what I wanted.
A 300HP+ and 150MPH+ GP.
What I got was a 295HP(as far as what the Dyno said)
and so far 138MPH car. Not bad based on what I
wanted originally.
The only modifications the car has are on the engine, SC, suspension and transaxle.
The car still has the Catalytic Converter and stock looks as you can see:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180KilStockEngineLook.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/501/114180KilGPTLeftRear.jpg
The only signal of modifications are the SLP spoiler that I have not painted yet cause I am waiting for the hood, NOS and related hardware(want to paint it all at once):
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180KilGTPRear.jpg
The small 3.2 Thunder SC pulley:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180KilGTP3_4Pulley.jpg
And the slotted/drilled discs:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/114180KilGTPSlotedDiscs1.jpg
I have a small 2.4" pulley for special ocations(only used once so far):
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180kilGTP2_34Pulley2.jpg
For those if you that think that V-Tec is only at the cams. How the hell then the ECU(PCM) knows when to fire. Maybe I used the term incorrectly because my GP can retard or forward ignition firing depending on the Performance Shift Setting, TCS and driving conditions. That is what I understand Variable Ignition Timing is, if that is not it then excuse me.
Sorry to disappoint you because the car does not have any codes, KR or malfunction at all.
Also I know that the transaxle only has 3 gears and OD. But if used wisely(PCM Wisely) and the correct gear ratio you can get excellent performance. Among other things when the Performane Shift is engaged my transaxle will shift from OD to 2nd gear on demand or from 3rd gear to 1st gear on demand. That is what I got, because how
you can achieve 138Mph at 4750 on a std 2.93 transaxle or 3.29 for that matter without the correct clutches and ECU(PCM) support on this kind of vehicle?
As a matter of fact my car came from factory 3.29(you can check the VIN:1G2WP5215WF267055) and I lowered to 2.93 as recommended by the technician to achieve easier the higher speeds that I wanted at lower RPM’s .
I have invested so far on engine, transaxle and SC and related hardware around 15k.
I am getting what I wanted. If you want to believe it fine, if not I am the one driving this import(big cars) killer around. I would really appreciate you people that if do not have
anything good to say please do not say it. This site is supposed to be a meeting place for people with similar interests and tastes and have a great time. Let’s keep it that way shall we?
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 12:31 PM
Here is the car front with modified HeadLamps(They have hyperwhite small bulbs like VW to iluminate when headlamp is not on). I have disabled DRL:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180Picture_21.jpg
Headlamp closeup with the Smal HyperWhite bulb:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180Picture_3.jpg
This is part of the cockpit:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180Picture_5.jpg
Will keep you posted. . .
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180Picture_21.jpg
Headlamp closeup with the Smal HyperWhite bulb:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180Picture_3.jpg
This is part of the cockpit:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/114180Picture_5.jpg
Will keep you posted. . .
The Burning Rom
12-14-2003, 01:13 PM
Can you explain to me where you can get the gear ratio from the vin number? :screwy:
Secondly, you MUST have a modular pulley system, otherwise you WOULD NOT be able to put on that Thrasher pulley. It is not a press-on like stock pulleys are. :disappoin So if that's the case, there's another mod right there that you didn't know you had.
Hitting 138mph has nothing to do with correct clutches or performance shift.....you just have to have the speed limiter removed. :rolleyes: Without the speed limiter, my 90 GP Turbo could hit 140 with only a $300 chip and a cone filter. :naughty:
The shifting that you describe is called skip shifting, which is a standard feature on ALL DHP PCMs. :rolleyes:
The ingition behavior you speak of is part of ALL genII GPs (not to mention most cars). Why do you think they have all those sensors? :rolleyes: So the computer can monitor the engine, and adjust fuel and timing. Currently my car is running rich..because of the lack of a rear 02 sensor. I didn't ajust the fuel mixture to rich..the computer did it automatically when it saw the readings were off.
The main part of VTEC technology are the cams that it has. It actually shifts lobes on the cam. Go to www.howstuffworks.com ...you'll learn a lot :naughty:
And finally, based on what you said in your posts..you have no clue what they did to your car. So how can you say it's just pulley, reinforced rods, and PCM programming? And I see you mentioned NOS...as in Nitrous Oxide? I bet that helps a little....
I'd listen to brianteel and Allowencer....they know a lot more than you (and me) about these motors. :)
I'm sorry to hear that you spent 15k for what you got. That's why it's always best to build it yourself. You know what you're getting..and you don't over-pay. Shouldn't have cost you more than 10k.... :eek7:
Secondly, you MUST have a modular pulley system, otherwise you WOULD NOT be able to put on that Thrasher pulley. It is not a press-on like stock pulleys are. :disappoin So if that's the case, there's another mod right there that you didn't know you had.
Hitting 138mph has nothing to do with correct clutches or performance shift.....you just have to have the speed limiter removed. :rolleyes: Without the speed limiter, my 90 GP Turbo could hit 140 with only a $300 chip and a cone filter. :naughty:
The shifting that you describe is called skip shifting, which is a standard feature on ALL DHP PCMs. :rolleyes:
The ingition behavior you speak of is part of ALL genII GPs (not to mention most cars). Why do you think they have all those sensors? :rolleyes: So the computer can monitor the engine, and adjust fuel and timing. Currently my car is running rich..because of the lack of a rear 02 sensor. I didn't ajust the fuel mixture to rich..the computer did it automatically when it saw the readings were off.
The main part of VTEC technology are the cams that it has. It actually shifts lobes on the cam. Go to www.howstuffworks.com ...you'll learn a lot :naughty:
And finally, based on what you said in your posts..you have no clue what they did to your car. So how can you say it's just pulley, reinforced rods, and PCM programming? And I see you mentioned NOS...as in Nitrous Oxide? I bet that helps a little....
I'd listen to brianteel and Allowencer....they know a lot more than you (and me) about these motors. :)
I'm sorry to hear that you spent 15k for what you got. That's why it's always best to build it yourself. You know what you're getting..and you don't over-pay. Shouldn't have cost you more than 10k.... :eek7:
GTPCatz
12-14-2003, 01:58 PM
oh yeah and 3.29 gears will let you achieve higher speeds easier not 2.93
most GTP users want 3.29 gears!
I think your full of it
plus I dealer mechanic would not be the one to contact to highly modify a vehicle
most GTP users want 3.29 gears!
I think your full of it
plus I dealer mechanic would not be the one to contact to highly modify a vehicle
Allowencer
12-14-2003, 02:52 PM
You do not have to feel sorry for me. I love how the car behaves. I bought a modified 3800 crate engine, modified transaxel that goes with it and PCM(ECU) that goes with it.
It might not know as much as you say you know but I have great performance and like what the dyno says.
And again it is your prerogative to believe or not. I am driving the car
without any piston poping nor any KR's or codes, again sorry to dissapoint you all.
What they engine had inside besides the reinforced arms well God
knows. What is important is what I am getting out of it.
I don't really care if you beleive me or not. I know what I am getting
and I am loving it.
So have a great day.
I feel sorry for you believing FALSE dyno numbers. I'm gald you love how your car behaves because that is all preference to the driver. Thats great your not getting any knock, any SES lights or ODB-II codes and the motor hasn't blown up yet. If you're saying reinforced arms - I'm sure the motor had alot more done to it than just that. Speaking of, I don't know who makes better rods for the L67 motor besides GM itself where they now use a different rod in the new 04 motors.
Dude, NO ONE is going to believe you because you need a TON of mods to get down alot of power. Let alone the highest NON-Intercooled dyno is around ~315HP to the WHEELS! I'm telling you right now your car is not what you think it is.
Dude there is no way we can pull a gear ratio out of a VIN number. However that VIN is a GTP car, which means it CAME with 2.93 GEARING. It has a 4T65E-HD transaxel which is 3 gears plus over drive totalling in 4 gears and has 2.93 final drive ratio.
There is no way a STOCK GTP can dyno 225 to the wheels - NO WAY. We dyno'd a stock one (2003 GTP) and it dyno'd ~195 to the wheels. Stock GTP makes 250HP @ Crank give or take. There is no way an hour later, by just tweaking things in the PCM you made 295 HP. NO WAY. I raise the BS flag BIG TIME. It's just not possible. Thats like telling me you can fly after just taking this pill. Ya, in your dreams.
A stock computer from the factory can adjust SPARK timing based on many variables. One is the engine temp, intake temp, engine running time, fuel trims, knock readings, etc. This is only a 1-2* it can advance, but the computer will pull as much as 15-20* of SPARK timing to prevent the motor from seeing knock. You can modify this in the computer but to properly do this you must MANUALLY adjust it somehow using some type of electronic device to trick the PCM's code table. Otherwise if you just set the SPARK timing to a higher degree - and not let something adjust it, your motor will blow up because it cannot pull that much more timing that has been added. Follow?
Now the difference between this is it's SPARK timing not VALVE timing. 2 TOTALLY different systems. Spark timing is electronic and valve timing is mechanical - hows that for lamen terms. V-TECH is valve timing which is driven off the cam.
BTW, that pulley you put in the picture is NOT a 2.4" pulley. That is a Thrasher Engineered Performance Pulley and that system ONLY makes 2.8" as their SMALLEST pulley. I just caught you again. Also in your picture, your supercharger snout is NOT modified. Well to run a pulley smaller than a 2.8" the snout needs to be machined. What's your next excuse now?
By looking at your car, it looks like you're running a 3.0" pulley with NO OTHER supporting mods. Hell you even have a stock OEM AIR BOX!!!! I'll say you are making around 210HP because of the knock you are seeing from too small of a pulley that you cannot run.
Dude just come clean and stop posting BS, either you have NO clue as to what you have or what you have done, or you have believe some IDIOT who needs to get chewed out for raping you in the ass and not giving you a band-aid after the job was done.
It might not know as much as you say you know but I have great performance and like what the dyno says.
And again it is your prerogative to believe or not. I am driving the car
without any piston poping nor any KR's or codes, again sorry to dissapoint you all.
What they engine had inside besides the reinforced arms well God
knows. What is important is what I am getting out of it.
I don't really care if you beleive me or not. I know what I am getting
and I am loving it.
So have a great day.
I feel sorry for you believing FALSE dyno numbers. I'm gald you love how your car behaves because that is all preference to the driver. Thats great your not getting any knock, any SES lights or ODB-II codes and the motor hasn't blown up yet. If you're saying reinforced arms - I'm sure the motor had alot more done to it than just that. Speaking of, I don't know who makes better rods for the L67 motor besides GM itself where they now use a different rod in the new 04 motors.
Dude, NO ONE is going to believe you because you need a TON of mods to get down alot of power. Let alone the highest NON-Intercooled dyno is around ~315HP to the WHEELS! I'm telling you right now your car is not what you think it is.
Dude there is no way we can pull a gear ratio out of a VIN number. However that VIN is a GTP car, which means it CAME with 2.93 GEARING. It has a 4T65E-HD transaxel which is 3 gears plus over drive totalling in 4 gears and has 2.93 final drive ratio.
There is no way a STOCK GTP can dyno 225 to the wheels - NO WAY. We dyno'd a stock one (2003 GTP) and it dyno'd ~195 to the wheels. Stock GTP makes 250HP @ Crank give or take. There is no way an hour later, by just tweaking things in the PCM you made 295 HP. NO WAY. I raise the BS flag BIG TIME. It's just not possible. Thats like telling me you can fly after just taking this pill. Ya, in your dreams.
A stock computer from the factory can adjust SPARK timing based on many variables. One is the engine temp, intake temp, engine running time, fuel trims, knock readings, etc. This is only a 1-2* it can advance, but the computer will pull as much as 15-20* of SPARK timing to prevent the motor from seeing knock. You can modify this in the computer but to properly do this you must MANUALLY adjust it somehow using some type of electronic device to trick the PCM's code table. Otherwise if you just set the SPARK timing to a higher degree - and not let something adjust it, your motor will blow up because it cannot pull that much more timing that has been added. Follow?
Now the difference between this is it's SPARK timing not VALVE timing. 2 TOTALLY different systems. Spark timing is electronic and valve timing is mechanical - hows that for lamen terms. V-TECH is valve timing which is driven off the cam.
BTW, that pulley you put in the picture is NOT a 2.4" pulley. That is a Thrasher Engineered Performance Pulley and that system ONLY makes 2.8" as their SMALLEST pulley. I just caught you again. Also in your picture, your supercharger snout is NOT modified. Well to run a pulley smaller than a 2.8" the snout needs to be machined. What's your next excuse now?
By looking at your car, it looks like you're running a 3.0" pulley with NO OTHER supporting mods. Hell you even have a stock OEM AIR BOX!!!! I'll say you are making around 210HP because of the knock you are seeing from too small of a pulley that you cannot run.
Dude just come clean and stop posting BS, either you have NO clue as to what you have or what you have done, or you have believe some IDIOT who needs to get chewed out for raping you in the ass and not giving you a band-aid after the job was done.
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 03:45 PM
I feel sorry for you believing FALSE dyno numbers. I'm gald you love how your car behaves because that is all preference to the driver. Thats great your not getting any knock, any SES lights or ODB-II codes and the motor hasn't blown up yet. If you're saying reinforced arms - I'm sure the motor had alot more done to it than just that. Speaking of, I don't know who makes better rods for the L67 motor besides GM itself where they now use a different rod in the new 04 motors.
Dude, NO ONE is going to believe you because you need a TON of mods to get down alot of power. Let alone the highest NON-Intercooled dyno is around ~315HP to the WHEELS! I'm telling you right now your car is not what you think it is.
Dude there is no way we can pull a gear ratio out of a VIN number. However that VIN is a GTP car, which means it CAME with 2.93 GEARING. It has a 4T65E-HD transaxel which is 3 gears plus over drive totalling in 4 gears and has 2.93 final drive ratio.
There is no way a STOCK GTP can dyno 225 to the wheels - NO WAY. We dyno'd a stock one (2003 GTP) and it dyno'd ~195 to the wheels. Stock GTP makes 250HP @ Crank give or take. There is no way an hour later, by just tweaking things in the PCM you made 295 HP. NO WAY. I raise the BS flag BIG TIME. It's just not possible. Thats like telling me you can fly after just taking this pill. Ya, in your dreams.
A stock computer from the factory can adjust SPARK timing based on many variables. One is the engine temp, intake temp, engine running time, fuel trims, knock readings, etc. This is only a 1-2* it can advance, but the computer will pull as much as 15-20* of SPARK timing to prevent the motor from seeing knock. You can modify this in the computer but to properly do this you must MANUALLY adjust it somehow using some type of electronic device to trick the PCM's code table. Otherwise if you just set the SPARK timing to a higher degree - and not let something adjust it, your motor will blow up because it cannot pull that much more timing that has been added. Follow?
Now the difference between this is it's SPARK timing not VALVE timing. 2 TOTALLY different systems. Spark timing is electronic and valve timing is mechanical - hows that for lamen terms. V-TECH is valve timing which is driven off the cam.
BTW, that pulley you put in the picture is NOT a 2.4" pulley. That is a Thrasher Engineered Performance Pulley and that system ONLY makes 2.8" as their SMALLEST pulley. I just caught you again. Also in your picture, your supercharger snout is NOT modified. Well to run a pulley smaller than a 2.8" the snout needs to be machined. What's your next excuse now?
By looking at your car, it looks like you're running a 3.0" pulley with NO OTHER supporting mods. Hell you even have a stock OEM AIR BOX!!!! I'll say you are making around 210HP because of the knock you are seeing from too small of a pulley that you cannot run.
Dude just come clean and stop posting BS, either you have NO clue as to what you have or what you have done, or you have believe some IDIOT who needs to get chewed out for raping you in the ass and not giving you a band-aid after the job was done.
I feel sorry for you believing FALSE dyno numbers. I'm gald you love how your car behaves because that is all preference to the driver. Thats great your not getting any knock, any SES lights or ODB-II codes and the motor hasn't blown up yet. If you're saying reinforced arms - I'm sure the motor had alot more done to it than just that. Speaking of, I don't know who makes better rods for the L67 motor besides GM itself where they now use a different rod in the new 04 motors.
I AM NOT AWARE OF ALL THE MODS MADE, I JUST KNOW THE BIGGER ONES. I AM NOT MAINTANING THE CAR. THIS JOB IS UNDER WARANTY.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT THAT WHOEVER MADE IT CAN MAINTAIN IT.
Dude, NO ONE is going to believe you because you need a TON of mods to get down alot of power. Let alone the highest NON-Intercooled dyno is around ~315HP to the WHEELS! I'm telling you right now your car is not what you think it is.
I SAID ~295HP NOT 315HP. TO GET THERE I WILL DEFINITLEY TO ADD MORE STUFF THAT I AM NOT EVEN AWARE OF EXIST FOR THIS CAR.
Dude there is no way we can pull a gear ratio out of a VIN number. However that VIN is a GTP car, which means it CAME with 2.93 GEARING. It has a 4T65E-HD transaxel which is 3 gears plus over drive totalling in 4 gears and has 2.93 final drive ratio.
THAT IS FUNY, THE GUY THAT SOLD ME THE TRANSAXLE REQUIRED THE NUMBER TO DETERMINE WHICH ONE THE CAR HAD. AT THE GM DEALER THEY TOLD ME THAT THE ONE THE CAR HAD WAS THE 3.29.
EVEN WHEN I ORDERED THE 3.29 THEY TOLD ME IT IS EXPENSIER THAN THE 2.93 SO BETTER FOR ME THE 2.93 WAS CHEAPER.
There is no way a STOCK GTP can dyno 225 to the wheels - NO WAY. We dyno'd a stock one (2003 GTP) and it dyno'd ~195 to the wheels. Stock GTP makes 250HP @ Crank give or take. There is no way an hour later, by just tweaking things in the PCM you made 295 HP. NO WAY. I raise the BS flag BIG TIME. It's just not possible. Thats like telling me you can fly after just taking this pill. Ya, in your dreams.
IF I RECALL THE LATE MODELS REQUIRE 87OCTANE NO 91 LIKE OLDER MODELS. SO MEANS THAT THERE ARE SUBTLE DIFERENCES. CHECK AN OLDER VEHICLE AND THE TELL ME WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE SUBTLE BUT NOTICEABLE DIFERENCES
A stock computer from the factory can adjust SPARK timing based on many variables. One is the engine temp, intake temp, engine running time, fuel trims, knock readings, etc. This is only a 1-2* it can advance, but the computer will pull as much as 15-20* of SPARK timing to prevent the motor from seeing knock. You can modify this in the computer but to properly do this you must MANUALLY adjust it somehow using some type of electronic device to trick the PCM's code table. Otherwise if you just set the SPARK timing to a higher degree - and not let something adjust it, your motor will blow up because it cannot pull that much more timing that has been added. Follow?
I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE STOCK COMPUTER CAN'T DO IT. THE ISSUE IS HOW STEEP THIS FLUCTATIONS ARE. THE OSCILATION THEY PROGRAMMED CAN BE MORE SENSITIVE TO THE MODS THE ENGINE HAS. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT.
Now the difference between this is it's SPARK timing not VALVE timing. 2 TOTALLY different systems. Spark timing is electronic and valve timing is mechanical - hows that for lamen terms. V-TECH is valve timing which is driven off the cam.
THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION.
BTW, that pulley you put in the picture is NOT a 2.4" pulley. That is a Thrasher Engineered Performance Pulley and that system ONLY makes 2.8" as their SMALLEST pulley. I just caught you again. Also in your picture, your supercharger snout is NOT modified. Well to run a pulley smaller than a 2.8" the snout needs to be machined. What's your next excuse now?
WELL EXCUSE ME ON THIS ONE, I MIGHT NOT HAVE READ THE
THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY. WHAT THE CAR HAS INSTALLED IS NOT
A 3.0" IS A 3.2" OR 3.4" WHATEVER THE CORRECT NUMBER IS FOR THE TRASHER. THEY HAVE 3 PULLEYS I BOUGHT THE BIGGEST ONE AND THE SMALLEST ONE. YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS.
By looking at your car, it looks like you're running a 3.0" pulley with NO OTHER supporting mods. Hell you even have a stock OEM AIR BOX!!!! I'll say you are making around 210HP because of the knock you are seeing from too small of a pulley that you cannot run.
THAT IS CORRECT IT IS A STOCK AIR BOX THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH AN SLP ONE AS SOON AS THE HOOD IS AVAILABLE. FOR THE TEST THIS BOX WAS OPEN. NO DUCT WAS ATTACHED TO IT.
THE CAR ASPIRATED FREELY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FINAL BOX THE CAR WILL HAVE. THIS IS THE ONE IT ALWAYS HAD UNTIL THE SLP HOOD IS READY FOR SHIPPING BTW NOW THAT YOU KNOW SO MUCH TELL ME WHEN FINALLY THEY ARE GOING TO SHIP IT. I PREORDERED 2 MONTHS AGO AND STILL NOT SHIPPING.
Dude just come clean and stop posting BS, either you have NO clue as to what you have or what you have done, or you have believe some IDIOT who needs to get chewed out for raping you in the ass and not giving you a band-aid after the job was done.
I AM CLEAN, I WENT TO THE DYNO. USED A 98 STOCK GTP AS THE CONTROL AND THEN MINE. THAT IS WHAT I SAID. I USED A 98 GTP AS THE CONTROL AND COMPARED MINE TO THAT. I GOT WHAT I GOT.
BOTTOM LINE WHAT DO YOU CARE. IT IS NOT YOU CAR THAT WILL BLOW UP. IS NOT YOUR MONEY THAT WAS SPENT AND IS NOT YOU
DRIVING IT. STILL SOME PARTS NEED TO BE INSTALLED BUT HAVE NOT BECAUSE SIMPLY THEY ARE NOT SHIPPING YET.
IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT I POST SIMPLY DO NOT READ IT.
I CAN NOT PUT SIMPLER THAN THAT.
I AM HAPPY WITH MY ASS BEING RAPED AND YOU ARE HAPPY
WITH YOUR STUFF.
WELL MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE THAT I CAN COME YOUR WAY
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW CRAPPY THE CAR IS.
LATER.
Dude, NO ONE is going to believe you because you need a TON of mods to get down alot of power. Let alone the highest NON-Intercooled dyno is around ~315HP to the WHEELS! I'm telling you right now your car is not what you think it is.
Dude there is no way we can pull a gear ratio out of a VIN number. However that VIN is a GTP car, which means it CAME with 2.93 GEARING. It has a 4T65E-HD transaxel which is 3 gears plus over drive totalling in 4 gears and has 2.93 final drive ratio.
There is no way a STOCK GTP can dyno 225 to the wheels - NO WAY. We dyno'd a stock one (2003 GTP) and it dyno'd ~195 to the wheels. Stock GTP makes 250HP @ Crank give or take. There is no way an hour later, by just tweaking things in the PCM you made 295 HP. NO WAY. I raise the BS flag BIG TIME. It's just not possible. Thats like telling me you can fly after just taking this pill. Ya, in your dreams.
A stock computer from the factory can adjust SPARK timing based on many variables. One is the engine temp, intake temp, engine running time, fuel trims, knock readings, etc. This is only a 1-2* it can advance, but the computer will pull as much as 15-20* of SPARK timing to prevent the motor from seeing knock. You can modify this in the computer but to properly do this you must MANUALLY adjust it somehow using some type of electronic device to trick the PCM's code table. Otherwise if you just set the SPARK timing to a higher degree - and not let something adjust it, your motor will blow up because it cannot pull that much more timing that has been added. Follow?
Now the difference between this is it's SPARK timing not VALVE timing. 2 TOTALLY different systems. Spark timing is electronic and valve timing is mechanical - hows that for lamen terms. V-TECH is valve timing which is driven off the cam.
BTW, that pulley you put in the picture is NOT a 2.4" pulley. That is a Thrasher Engineered Performance Pulley and that system ONLY makes 2.8" as their SMALLEST pulley. I just caught you again. Also in your picture, your supercharger snout is NOT modified. Well to run a pulley smaller than a 2.8" the snout needs to be machined. What's your next excuse now?
By looking at your car, it looks like you're running a 3.0" pulley with NO OTHER supporting mods. Hell you even have a stock OEM AIR BOX!!!! I'll say you are making around 210HP because of the knock you are seeing from too small of a pulley that you cannot run.
Dude just come clean and stop posting BS, either you have NO clue as to what you have or what you have done, or you have believe some IDIOT who needs to get chewed out for raping you in the ass and not giving you a band-aid after the job was done.
I feel sorry for you believing FALSE dyno numbers. I'm gald you love how your car behaves because that is all preference to the driver. Thats great your not getting any knock, any SES lights or ODB-II codes and the motor hasn't blown up yet. If you're saying reinforced arms - I'm sure the motor had alot more done to it than just that. Speaking of, I don't know who makes better rods for the L67 motor besides GM itself where they now use a different rod in the new 04 motors.
I AM NOT AWARE OF ALL THE MODS MADE, I JUST KNOW THE BIGGER ONES. I AM NOT MAINTANING THE CAR. THIS JOB IS UNDER WARANTY.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT THAT WHOEVER MADE IT CAN MAINTAIN IT.
Dude, NO ONE is going to believe you because you need a TON of mods to get down alot of power. Let alone the highest NON-Intercooled dyno is around ~315HP to the WHEELS! I'm telling you right now your car is not what you think it is.
I SAID ~295HP NOT 315HP. TO GET THERE I WILL DEFINITLEY TO ADD MORE STUFF THAT I AM NOT EVEN AWARE OF EXIST FOR THIS CAR.
Dude there is no way we can pull a gear ratio out of a VIN number. However that VIN is a GTP car, which means it CAME with 2.93 GEARING. It has a 4T65E-HD transaxel which is 3 gears plus over drive totalling in 4 gears and has 2.93 final drive ratio.
THAT IS FUNY, THE GUY THAT SOLD ME THE TRANSAXLE REQUIRED THE NUMBER TO DETERMINE WHICH ONE THE CAR HAD. AT THE GM DEALER THEY TOLD ME THAT THE ONE THE CAR HAD WAS THE 3.29.
EVEN WHEN I ORDERED THE 3.29 THEY TOLD ME IT IS EXPENSIER THAN THE 2.93 SO BETTER FOR ME THE 2.93 WAS CHEAPER.
There is no way a STOCK GTP can dyno 225 to the wheels - NO WAY. We dyno'd a stock one (2003 GTP) and it dyno'd ~195 to the wheels. Stock GTP makes 250HP @ Crank give or take. There is no way an hour later, by just tweaking things in the PCM you made 295 HP. NO WAY. I raise the BS flag BIG TIME. It's just not possible. Thats like telling me you can fly after just taking this pill. Ya, in your dreams.
IF I RECALL THE LATE MODELS REQUIRE 87OCTANE NO 91 LIKE OLDER MODELS. SO MEANS THAT THERE ARE SUBTLE DIFERENCES. CHECK AN OLDER VEHICLE AND THE TELL ME WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE SUBTLE BUT NOTICEABLE DIFERENCES
A stock computer from the factory can adjust SPARK timing based on many variables. One is the engine temp, intake temp, engine running time, fuel trims, knock readings, etc. This is only a 1-2* it can advance, but the computer will pull as much as 15-20* of SPARK timing to prevent the motor from seeing knock. You can modify this in the computer but to properly do this you must MANUALLY adjust it somehow using some type of electronic device to trick the PCM's code table. Otherwise if you just set the SPARK timing to a higher degree - and not let something adjust it, your motor will blow up because it cannot pull that much more timing that has been added. Follow?
I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE STOCK COMPUTER CAN'T DO IT. THE ISSUE IS HOW STEEP THIS FLUCTATIONS ARE. THE OSCILATION THEY PROGRAMMED CAN BE MORE SENSITIVE TO THE MODS THE ENGINE HAS. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT.
Now the difference between this is it's SPARK timing not VALVE timing. 2 TOTALLY different systems. Spark timing is electronic and valve timing is mechanical - hows that for lamen terms. V-TECH is valve timing which is driven off the cam.
THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION.
BTW, that pulley you put in the picture is NOT a 2.4" pulley. That is a Thrasher Engineered Performance Pulley and that system ONLY makes 2.8" as their SMALLEST pulley. I just caught you again. Also in your picture, your supercharger snout is NOT modified. Well to run a pulley smaller than a 2.8" the snout needs to be machined. What's your next excuse now?
WELL EXCUSE ME ON THIS ONE, I MIGHT NOT HAVE READ THE
THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY. WHAT THE CAR HAS INSTALLED IS NOT
A 3.0" IS A 3.2" OR 3.4" WHATEVER THE CORRECT NUMBER IS FOR THE TRASHER. THEY HAVE 3 PULLEYS I BOUGHT THE BIGGEST ONE AND THE SMALLEST ONE. YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS.
By looking at your car, it looks like you're running a 3.0" pulley with NO OTHER supporting mods. Hell you even have a stock OEM AIR BOX!!!! I'll say you are making around 210HP because of the knock you are seeing from too small of a pulley that you cannot run.
THAT IS CORRECT IT IS A STOCK AIR BOX THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH AN SLP ONE AS SOON AS THE HOOD IS AVAILABLE. FOR THE TEST THIS BOX WAS OPEN. NO DUCT WAS ATTACHED TO IT.
THE CAR ASPIRATED FREELY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FINAL BOX THE CAR WILL HAVE. THIS IS THE ONE IT ALWAYS HAD UNTIL THE SLP HOOD IS READY FOR SHIPPING BTW NOW THAT YOU KNOW SO MUCH TELL ME WHEN FINALLY THEY ARE GOING TO SHIP IT. I PREORDERED 2 MONTHS AGO AND STILL NOT SHIPPING.
Dude just come clean and stop posting BS, either you have NO clue as to what you have or what you have done, or you have believe some IDIOT who needs to get chewed out for raping you in the ass and not giving you a band-aid after the job was done.
I AM CLEAN, I WENT TO THE DYNO. USED A 98 STOCK GTP AS THE CONTROL AND THEN MINE. THAT IS WHAT I SAID. I USED A 98 GTP AS THE CONTROL AND COMPARED MINE TO THAT. I GOT WHAT I GOT.
BOTTOM LINE WHAT DO YOU CARE. IT IS NOT YOU CAR THAT WILL BLOW UP. IS NOT YOUR MONEY THAT WAS SPENT AND IS NOT YOU
DRIVING IT. STILL SOME PARTS NEED TO BE INSTALLED BUT HAVE NOT BECAUSE SIMPLY THEY ARE NOT SHIPPING YET.
IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT I POST SIMPLY DO NOT READ IT.
I CAN NOT PUT SIMPLER THAN THAT.
I AM HAPPY WITH MY ASS BEING RAPED AND YOU ARE HAPPY
WITH YOUR STUFF.
WELL MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE THAT I CAN COME YOUR WAY
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW CRAPPY THE CAR IS.
LATER.
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 03:53 PM
oh yeah and 3.29 gears will let you achieve higher speeds easier not 2.93
most GTP users want 3.29 gears!
I think your full of it
plus I dealer mechanic would not be the one to contact to highly modify a vehicle
CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME HOW THEN A HIGHER RATIO WILL GENERATE MORE SPEED WHEN A SINGLE ENGINE REVOLUTION WILL MEAN LESS WHEEL ROTATION. MEANS THAT ON 3.29 THE ENGINE NEEDS TO BE REVING FASTER TO HAVE THE SAME SPEED THAT THE 2.93 WILL DEVELOP WITH LESS ENGINE RPMS.
THIS IS INTERESTING. IF YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN THIS.
most GTP users want 3.29 gears!
I think your full of it
plus I dealer mechanic would not be the one to contact to highly modify a vehicle
CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME HOW THEN A HIGHER RATIO WILL GENERATE MORE SPEED WHEN A SINGLE ENGINE REVOLUTION WILL MEAN LESS WHEEL ROTATION. MEANS THAT ON 3.29 THE ENGINE NEEDS TO BE REVING FASTER TO HAVE THE SAME SPEED THAT THE 2.93 WILL DEVELOP WITH LESS ENGINE RPMS.
THIS IS INTERESTING. IF YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN THIS.
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 04:03 PM
Can you explain to me where you can get the gear ratio from the vin number? :screwy:
Secondly, you MUST have a modular pulley system, otherwise you WOULD NOT be able to put on that Thrasher pulley. It is not a press-on like stock pulleys are. :disappoin So if that's the case, there's another mod right there that you didn't know you had.
Hitting 138mph has nothing to do with correct clutches or performance shift.....you just have to have the speed limiter removed. :rolleyes: Without the speed limiter, my 90 GP Turbo could hit 140 with only a $300 chip and a cone filter. :naughty:
The shifting that you describe is called skip shifting, which is a standard feature on ALL DHP PCMs. :rolleyes:
The ingition behavior you speak of is part of ALL genII GPs (not to mention most cars). Why do you think they have all those sensors? :rolleyes: So the computer can monitor the engine, and adjust fuel and timing. Currently my car is running rich..because of the lack of a rear 02 sensor. I didn't ajust the fuel mixture to rich..the computer did it automatically when it saw the readings were off.
The main part of VTEC technology are the cams that it has. It actually shifts lobes on the cam. Go to www.howstuffworks.com ...you'll learn a lot :naughty:
And finally, based on what you said in your posts..you have no clue what they did to your car. So how can you say it's just pulley, reinforced rods, and PCM programming? And I see you mentioned NOS...as in Nitrous Oxide? I bet that helps a little....
I'd listen to brianteel and Allowencer....they know a lot more than you (and me) about these motors. :)
I'm sorry to hear that you spent 15k for what you got. That's why it's always best to build it yourself. You know what you're getting..and you don't over-pay. Shouldn't have cost you more than 10k.... :eek7:
THANKS FOR BEING NICE FOR ONCE. WELL I PAID A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE THE JOB WARANTY WILL LAST THE ENGINE AND TRANSAXLE WARANTY WICH IS 3 YEARS OR 50K MILES. THE SC HAS A LIFETIME WARANTY IS NOT NEW IS REMAN AND MODIFIED.
SO I CAN SAY I HAVE A NEW CAR WITH EXTENDED WARANTY (50K MILES:)
AND AS I ORIGINALLY SAID I AM TALKING THE BIGGER THINGS THEY TOLD ME THEY DID. THEY STAYED WITH THE CAR AFTER THE ENGINE, TRANNY AND SC ARRIVED FOR A WEEK AND A HALF. I AM NOT AWARE WHAT ELSE THEY INSTALLED(THE MINOR DETAILS).
WHAT I CARE IS THAT WHAT I ASKED FOR I GOT.
THE DYNO THAT I USED WAS NOT RELATED TO THE GARAGE IN ANY WAY. THE CONTROL CAR WAS ANOTHER 98 GTP WITH 57KMILES ON THE ODO. I AM TELLING YOU LIKE IT IS, IF ALLOWENCER AND THE OTHERS DO NOT BELEIVE IT I DO NOT REALLY CARE. I GOT MODS AND WARANTY FOR THEM. IN MY TERMS THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD WANT. BECAUSE WOULD BE REALLY EXPENSIVE TO REBUILD YOUR ENGINE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU PRESSED THE PEDAL TO HARD AND SOMETHING BROKE.
IN MY CASE I GOT SOMEONE TO PAY THE BILL FOR A WHILE
SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE TERMS THEN I DID NOT WASTED THE MONEY. SIMPLY I INSURED WHAT I BOUGHT FOR A WHILE.
ROM, THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR POST AND I WAS REALLY MAD WHEN I WROTE YOU THE OTHER NOTES ON YAHOO. PLEASE EXCUSE ME IF YOU CAN.
Secondly, you MUST have a modular pulley system, otherwise you WOULD NOT be able to put on that Thrasher pulley. It is not a press-on like stock pulleys are. :disappoin So if that's the case, there's another mod right there that you didn't know you had.
Hitting 138mph has nothing to do with correct clutches or performance shift.....you just have to have the speed limiter removed. :rolleyes: Without the speed limiter, my 90 GP Turbo could hit 140 with only a $300 chip and a cone filter. :naughty:
The shifting that you describe is called skip shifting, which is a standard feature on ALL DHP PCMs. :rolleyes:
The ingition behavior you speak of is part of ALL genII GPs (not to mention most cars). Why do you think they have all those sensors? :rolleyes: So the computer can monitor the engine, and adjust fuel and timing. Currently my car is running rich..because of the lack of a rear 02 sensor. I didn't ajust the fuel mixture to rich..the computer did it automatically when it saw the readings were off.
The main part of VTEC technology are the cams that it has. It actually shifts lobes on the cam. Go to www.howstuffworks.com ...you'll learn a lot :naughty:
And finally, based on what you said in your posts..you have no clue what they did to your car. So how can you say it's just pulley, reinforced rods, and PCM programming? And I see you mentioned NOS...as in Nitrous Oxide? I bet that helps a little....
I'd listen to brianteel and Allowencer....they know a lot more than you (and me) about these motors. :)
I'm sorry to hear that you spent 15k for what you got. That's why it's always best to build it yourself. You know what you're getting..and you don't over-pay. Shouldn't have cost you more than 10k.... :eek7:
THANKS FOR BEING NICE FOR ONCE. WELL I PAID A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE THE JOB WARANTY WILL LAST THE ENGINE AND TRANSAXLE WARANTY WICH IS 3 YEARS OR 50K MILES. THE SC HAS A LIFETIME WARANTY IS NOT NEW IS REMAN AND MODIFIED.
SO I CAN SAY I HAVE A NEW CAR WITH EXTENDED WARANTY (50K MILES:)
AND AS I ORIGINALLY SAID I AM TALKING THE BIGGER THINGS THEY TOLD ME THEY DID. THEY STAYED WITH THE CAR AFTER THE ENGINE, TRANNY AND SC ARRIVED FOR A WEEK AND A HALF. I AM NOT AWARE WHAT ELSE THEY INSTALLED(THE MINOR DETAILS).
WHAT I CARE IS THAT WHAT I ASKED FOR I GOT.
THE DYNO THAT I USED WAS NOT RELATED TO THE GARAGE IN ANY WAY. THE CONTROL CAR WAS ANOTHER 98 GTP WITH 57KMILES ON THE ODO. I AM TELLING YOU LIKE IT IS, IF ALLOWENCER AND THE OTHERS DO NOT BELEIVE IT I DO NOT REALLY CARE. I GOT MODS AND WARANTY FOR THEM. IN MY TERMS THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD WANT. BECAUSE WOULD BE REALLY EXPENSIVE TO REBUILD YOUR ENGINE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU PRESSED THE PEDAL TO HARD AND SOMETHING BROKE.
IN MY CASE I GOT SOMEONE TO PAY THE BILL FOR A WHILE
SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE TERMS THEN I DID NOT WASTED THE MONEY. SIMPLY I INSURED WHAT I BOUGHT FOR A WHILE.
ROM, THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR POST AND I WAS REALLY MAD WHEN I WROTE YOU THE OTHER NOTES ON YAHOO. PLEASE EXCUSE ME IF YOU CAN.
kilroypr
12-14-2003, 04:12 PM
All. Yes The Slp Hood And Box Will Come With All The Required Hardaware To Throw In A Nos Kit As Of Nitrous Oxide System. The People That Prepared The Care For Metold Me That I Could Add The One That Is Sold On 3800performance.com And The Engine Would Resist It Without Problems. As I Said There Are Many Mods That Were Done That I Am Not Aware Off. This Is What I Got And Insured For A While. The Job Has 3 Years Or 50k Waranty. That Is The Big Difference Between Doing It Yourself Or Having Someone Else Waranty It For You.
As For The Gear Ratios I Understand That The Higher The Ration The Faster The Car Will Start But The Top Speed Will Be Lower.
Even Tought The 3.29 Will Allow Me To Hit The 138mph Mark The Engine Would Be Reving Faster Than With The 2.93. Bottom Line I Can Keep The Higher Speed For A Longer Time Period. That Is All, Like The Euro Folks. In Their Case They Have Higher Gear Ratios Cause Their Engines Can Rev Higher Than Ours.
I Knew About The Speed Limiter On The Pcm(ecu) But I Wanted The Engine To Rev As Low As Possible At Higher Speeds, That Is Why I Lowered The Gear Ratio.
Anyway There Is Someone Thatowns A M5 That I Ran With(of Course The Car Was Modified) But Saw Mine Strong So He Will Take Me To The Track And See What The Hard Numbers Are On The Strip.
For Those Of You That Care I Will Let You Know For The Others Just For Get About It.
Is Just Me Blowing Up Me Car Again.
Thanks
As For The Gear Ratios I Understand That The Higher The Ration The Faster The Car Will Start But The Top Speed Will Be Lower.
Even Tought The 3.29 Will Allow Me To Hit The 138mph Mark The Engine Would Be Reving Faster Than With The 2.93. Bottom Line I Can Keep The Higher Speed For A Longer Time Period. That Is All, Like The Euro Folks. In Their Case They Have Higher Gear Ratios Cause Their Engines Can Rev Higher Than Ours.
I Knew About The Speed Limiter On The Pcm(ecu) But I Wanted The Engine To Rev As Low As Possible At Higher Speeds, That Is Why I Lowered The Gear Ratio.
Anyway There Is Someone Thatowns A M5 That I Ran With(of Course The Car Was Modified) But Saw Mine Strong So He Will Take Me To The Track And See What The Hard Numbers Are On The Strip.
For Those Of You That Care I Will Let You Know For The Others Just For Get About It.
Is Just Me Blowing Up Me Car Again.
Thanks
GTPCatz
12-14-2003, 09:43 PM
All. Yes The Slp Hood And Box Will Come With All The Required Hardaware To Throw In A Nos Kit As Of Nitrous Oxide System. The People That Prepared The Care For Metold Me That I Could Add The One That Is Sold On 3800performance.com And The Engine Would Resist It Without Problems. As I Said There Are Many Mods That Were Done That I Am Not Aware Off. This Is What I Got And Insured For A While. The Job Has 3 Years Or 50k Waranty. That Is The Big Difference Between Doing It Yourself Or Having Someone Else Waranty It For You.
As For The Gear Ratios I Understand That The Higher The Ration The Faster The Car Will Start But The Top Speed Will Be Lower.
Even Tought The 3.29 Will Allow Me To Hit The 138mph Mark The Engine Would Be Reving Faster Than With The 2.93. Bottom Line I Can Keep The Higher Speed For A Longer Time Period. That Is All, Like The Euro Folks. In Their Case They Have Higher Gear Ratios Cause Their Engines Can Rev Higher Than Ours.
I Knew About The Speed Limiter On The Pcm(ecu) But I Wanted The Engine To Rev As Low As Possible At Higher Speeds, That Is Why I Lowered The Gear Ratio.
Anyway There Is Someone Thatowns A M5 That I Ran With(of Course The Car Was Modified) But Saw Mine Strong So He Will Take Me To The Track And See What The Hard Numbers Are On The Strip.
For Those Of You That Care I Will Let You Know For The Others Just For Get About It.
Is Just Me Blowing Up Me Car Again.
Thanks
Sounds like too me that you see what we type...then bitch about it....then search the internet and find out we are right.....then change your story....
So are you going to disagree with everything that we say that contradicts you until you can search the internet and find out the truth...I am beginning to think you dont even own a Grand Prix...
As For The Gear Ratios I Understand That The Higher The Ration The Faster The Car Will Start But The Top Speed Will Be Lower.
Even Tought The 3.29 Will Allow Me To Hit The 138mph Mark The Engine Would Be Reving Faster Than With The 2.93. Bottom Line I Can Keep The Higher Speed For A Longer Time Period. That Is All, Like The Euro Folks. In Their Case They Have Higher Gear Ratios Cause Their Engines Can Rev Higher Than Ours.
I Knew About The Speed Limiter On The Pcm(ecu) But I Wanted The Engine To Rev As Low As Possible At Higher Speeds, That Is Why I Lowered The Gear Ratio.
Anyway There Is Someone Thatowns A M5 That I Ran With(of Course The Car Was Modified) But Saw Mine Strong So He Will Take Me To The Track And See What The Hard Numbers Are On The Strip.
For Those Of You That Care I Will Let You Know For The Others Just For Get About It.
Is Just Me Blowing Up Me Car Again.
Thanks
Sounds like too me that you see what we type...then bitch about it....then search the internet and find out we are right.....then change your story....
So are you going to disagree with everything that we say that contradicts you until you can search the internet and find out the truth...I am beginning to think you dont even own a Grand Prix...
Allowencer
12-15-2003, 01:39 AM
I SAID ~295HP NOT 315HP. TO GET THERE I WILL DEFINITLEY TO ADD MORE STUFF THAT I AM NOT EVEN AWARE OF EXIST FOR THIS CAR.
You miss understood what I was getting at. It takes ALOT for a car, even more a 3800 motor, to achieve anything close to 290HP. You are talking headers, cam or rockers, ported blower, ported throttle body, smaller pullies, pcm changes, exhaust, and a bunch of other small items that help. Hell, I can even see in one of your pictures it looks like you're still running stock exhaust manifolds!!! There is no way that power can be achieved like this. Honeslty POST your dyno charts. If you can't post them, copy them and send them to me snail mail because I really would love for you to prove me wrong. Hell, I'll even paypal you $5 for the postage charge and paper if you really want me to.
The dealer told you it had 3.29 gearing - well let me tell you how much dealerships really know. This I do not even need to touch with a 10 ft pole. A Grand Prix GT has 3.29 gearing - they are getting it mixed up and have informed you incorrectly. Sorry dude, but that is THE truth. No ifs ands or buts about it.
IF I RECALL THE LATE MODELS REQUIRE 87OCTANE NO 91 LIKE OLDER MODELS. SO MEANS THAT THERE ARE SUBTLE DIFERENCES. CHECK AN OLDER VEHICLE AND THE TELL ME WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE SUBTLE BUT NOTICEABLE DIFERENCES /
I'm not referring to later model grand prixs. I'm referring to 1997-2003 Pontiac grands prix's with the L67 3800 Series II motors in it. They dyno ~250 @ crank and roughly ~195 @ wheels. So your dyno numbers once again are false.
Honeslty, I think you bought a GTP, put some appearance mods on it, bought the smallest pulley you can find with the least ammount of install effort and run up and down the street running your mouth about some made up numbers and such. Thinking smaller pulley = more boost = more power. WRONG, not with a roots style blower. I know too many guys that do this and they approch me on the street saying they have cat back and a 3.0 pulley and they waste camaro z28's. I laugh at them and give them my card and say when your motor blows up, give me a call. I give good deals to people for rebuilding their motors or if they need a new block. Months to come, I have recieved phone calls. Guys some guys will never learn........
The biggest mistake is NOT knowing what is done with your car. I for one would not just take my car somewhere and say I want stuff done to it to make it go faster. Then have it handed back to me saying it dyno's 300HP at the wheels, they beefed up things in the motor and a $3,000 bill as well. How do you EVEN know as a customer what the hell has been done to your vehicle???? Things just don't add up here.....
You miss understood what I was getting at. It takes ALOT for a car, even more a 3800 motor, to achieve anything close to 290HP. You are talking headers, cam or rockers, ported blower, ported throttle body, smaller pullies, pcm changes, exhaust, and a bunch of other small items that help. Hell, I can even see in one of your pictures it looks like you're still running stock exhaust manifolds!!! There is no way that power can be achieved like this. Honeslty POST your dyno charts. If you can't post them, copy them and send them to me snail mail because I really would love for you to prove me wrong. Hell, I'll even paypal you $5 for the postage charge and paper if you really want me to.
The dealer told you it had 3.29 gearing - well let me tell you how much dealerships really know. This I do not even need to touch with a 10 ft pole. A Grand Prix GT has 3.29 gearing - they are getting it mixed up and have informed you incorrectly. Sorry dude, but that is THE truth. No ifs ands or buts about it.
IF I RECALL THE LATE MODELS REQUIRE 87OCTANE NO 91 LIKE OLDER MODELS. SO MEANS THAT THERE ARE SUBTLE DIFERENCES. CHECK AN OLDER VEHICLE AND THE TELL ME WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE SUBTLE BUT NOTICEABLE DIFERENCES /
I'm not referring to later model grand prixs. I'm referring to 1997-2003 Pontiac grands prix's with the L67 3800 Series II motors in it. They dyno ~250 @ crank and roughly ~195 @ wheels. So your dyno numbers once again are false.
Honeslty, I think you bought a GTP, put some appearance mods on it, bought the smallest pulley you can find with the least ammount of install effort and run up and down the street running your mouth about some made up numbers and such. Thinking smaller pulley = more boost = more power. WRONG, not with a roots style blower. I know too many guys that do this and they approch me on the street saying they have cat back and a 3.0 pulley and they waste camaro z28's. I laugh at them and give them my card and say when your motor blows up, give me a call. I give good deals to people for rebuilding their motors or if they need a new block. Months to come, I have recieved phone calls. Guys some guys will never learn........
The biggest mistake is NOT knowing what is done with your car. I for one would not just take my car somewhere and say I want stuff done to it to make it go faster. Then have it handed back to me saying it dyno's 300HP at the wheels, they beefed up things in the motor and a $3,000 bill as well. How do you EVEN know as a customer what the hell has been done to your vehicle???? Things just don't add up here.....
kilroypr
12-15-2003, 09:01 PM
I have never ran a Z28. Never and the Cayenne S Guy i know he did not have heart that is why I nailed him good. I do not have the time to argue. You want to beleive it fine if not what the heck is not your car anyway.
I will go get the charts for you. I left them at the dyno shop to see if they still have them.
If the charts are incorrect then I can take action against the dealer.
But that they had to replace Engine, SC and tranny. That is a fact. Everything original was blown.
And again you are correct, not knowing exactly what was done to the car is not good. But at least I got waranty for 36 months or 50k miles on this job.
To me this is not bad after all, as a matter of fact if the car has a decent performance and I can take it to the track and the waranty will not void that is even better.
Thanks again for your interest, but, really do not waste more time on me or my car.
BTW do you know the formula where you can determine the effective gear ratio based on the tire hight and installed gear ratio?
I need it for this Sunday I will take the car to the track. An M5 folk that I lasted the first 3 gears before being whipped wants to see me run on the circuit.
I will go get the charts for you. I left them at the dyno shop to see if they still have them.
If the charts are incorrect then I can take action against the dealer.
But that they had to replace Engine, SC and tranny. That is a fact. Everything original was blown.
And again you are correct, not knowing exactly what was done to the car is not good. But at least I got waranty for 36 months or 50k miles on this job.
To me this is not bad after all, as a matter of fact if the car has a decent performance and I can take it to the track and the waranty will not void that is even better.
Thanks again for your interest, but, really do not waste more time on me or my car.
BTW do you know the formula where you can determine the effective gear ratio based on the tire hight and installed gear ratio?
I need it for this Sunday I will take the car to the track. An M5 folk that I lasted the first 3 gears before being whipped wants to see me run on the circuit.
GTPCatz
12-15-2003, 09:24 PM
And again you are correct, not knowing exactly what was done to the car is not good. But at least I got waranty for 36 months or 50k miles on this job.
To me this is not bad after all, as a matter of fact if the car has a decent performance and I can take it to the track and the waranty will not void that is even better.
So your saying a GM Dealership is going to waranty non-GM Parts!
TOTAL BS!
To me this is not bad after all, as a matter of fact if the car has a decent performance and I can take it to the track and the waranty will not void that is even better.
So your saying a GM Dealership is going to waranty non-GM Parts!
TOTAL BS!
kilroypr
12-16-2003, 12:39 AM
Definetly you can not read.
The job, engine, SC and Tranny all are Goodwrench parts with whatever mods they made on them.
All the non GM parts that are in the car have their respective vendors waranty.
I got waranty on the JOB they made and the Goodwrench parts they installed for 36 months or 50k miles.
GTPCatz I give a damn what you think,
I know that a dealwership owner can do whatever deals they want with their customers. I asked them for something, they said they provided it and to me I got it and got a contract that states they waranty the JOB and Goodrench parts for 36 months or 50k miles. That all other aftermarket parts have each vendor respective waranty.
I payed them 5k extra as The Burning Rom suggested(HE said this job could have be made with 10k) because of the damn waranty.
You can try to get whatever deal you want from a GM Dealer(Dealers are not GM Owned, they are GM Certified. That is completly different). Is up to the dealer to give you what you ask for.
In my case I got what I wanted.
Thanks for nothing.
The job, engine, SC and Tranny all are Goodwrench parts with whatever mods they made on them.
All the non GM parts that are in the car have their respective vendors waranty.
I got waranty on the JOB they made and the Goodwrench parts they installed for 36 months or 50k miles.
GTPCatz I give a damn what you think,
I know that a dealwership owner can do whatever deals they want with their customers. I asked them for something, they said they provided it and to me I got it and got a contract that states they waranty the JOB and Goodrench parts for 36 months or 50k miles. That all other aftermarket parts have each vendor respective waranty.
I payed them 5k extra as The Burning Rom suggested(HE said this job could have be made with 10k) because of the damn waranty.
You can try to get whatever deal you want from a GM Dealer(Dealers are not GM Owned, they are GM Certified. That is completly different). Is up to the dealer to give you what you ask for.
In my case I got what I wanted.
Thanks for nothing.
kilroypr
12-16-2003, 12:58 AM
It is my problem to get what they said they gave me. Is not my problem to deal with you beleiving or not.
kilroypr
12-16-2003, 01:00 AM
It is my problem to make sure I got what they said they gave me. Is not my problem to deal with you beleiving or not. This is such a waste of time. Shishh.
I need to know the formula to determine the effective gear ratio based on the gear ratio you have installed and the wheel hight. If any of you knowitall have it can please pass it on.
I need to know the formula to determine the effective gear ratio based on the gear ratio you have installed and the wheel hight. If any of you knowitall have it can please pass it on.
kilroypr
12-16-2003, 06:23 AM
Look what a clubgp member posted on a AF forum
It is not that hard to get ~300HP at the wheels.
Now how come someone of the CLUBGP can achieve ~291 at the dyno with 93 Octane and no headers in? Not a lot of mods from what I saw on this post.
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Getting 310 at the wheels is not that hard of a task.
Cam
Pulley
PCM
Intake
Exhaust
With the right parts and good tuning that's all that it would take. Last time I dynoed the car it pulled 291hp at the wheels. That was without headers and on 93 octane.
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What I am looking for here is that if we can lure people to gp's and let them know that for a small amount of money(what ever that would be based on your project or others) could have a M3, Tang, Honda, etc etc etc. Ass buster on a tight slim package.
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People already know. It's called clubgp. Plenty of low 12 sec GPs on that site. A few 11's GPs and 2 10 sec GP's
If you want HP recipes that's the place to get them from.
Tim
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It is not that hard to get ~300HP at the wheels.
Now how come someone of the CLUBGP can achieve ~291 at the dyno with 93 Octane and no headers in? Not a lot of mods from what I saw on this post.
(Post #9)
Getting 310 at the wheels is not that hard of a task.
Cam
Pulley
PCM
Intake
Exhaust
With the right parts and good tuning that's all that it would take. Last time I dynoed the car it pulled 291hp at the wheels. That was without headers and on 93 octane.
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What I am looking for here is that if we can lure people to gp's and let them know that for a small amount of money(what ever that would be based on your project or others) could have a M3, Tang, Honda, etc etc etc. Ass buster on a tight slim package.
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People already know. It's called clubgp. Plenty of low 12 sec GPs on that site. A few 11's GPs and 2 10 sec GP's
If you want HP recipes that's the place to get them from.
Tim
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kilroypr
12-16-2003, 06:27 AM
So depends on who you read your recipes for HP from clubgp. The guy that designed the mods on my car must know what Ripns12 know.
Both are getting basically the same performance with a relative small mods amount.
Both are getting basically the same performance with a relative small mods amount.
Allowencer
12-18-2003, 10:14 PM
fyi: I'm on CGP. - same name. One of the top 50 that posts there.
kilroypr
12-19-2003, 01:33 AM
Allowencer: I do not doubt you. As I read on other post 10 GP will behave differently even if they are configured exactly the same. I do respect your knowledge.
JoeJoe231455
12-22-2003, 01:13 AM
This thread is way too long to read but just skimming it I can say, someone needs to do ALOT of fricken car research.
JohnBit
01-28-2004, 11:55 PM
Is someone off their meds in this thread? :iceslolan
*looks around*
I'm out'a here! :werd:
*looks around*
I'm out'a here! :werd:
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