New York City Cats

Jay-Z Vs. Nas

I dunno maybe DVS could help me out.... somebody told me that HOT97 in new york is doin the King of NY thing. and i wanna know what's goin down, i wish i could get that station some how

Anybody into hip hop probably knows that these to have been exchangin disses with each other in songs. Jay-Z talks about f*ckin Nas's girl. and Nas has 2 diss songs on Jay-Z.. one is HOMO (h to the izzo, M to the izzo) and the other one is called Ether.... stillmatic

IMO
Nasir's the King of NY without a doubt, his illmatic album was off tha hook. It kinda revolutionized hip hop... i think he destroys Jay-Z
I also hate Jay-Z so that might have somethin to do with it
To me he just seems like another mainstream rapper who just tries to make tracks that'll sell... why'll nas is deep and does his own shit, weather people like it or not

some shit i've heard people say:

dj premier - "nas ate him"
Mr Cee = Jay Z
Fat Joe = Nas
Tim Westwood = too scared to say.. even tho fat joe said he would walk him home...
Bugsy = Nas
Fat Man Scoop = jay z
Big Dee = Nas
Flex = Nas


"Life's a bitch an then you die/ that's why we get high/ cause you never know/ when ya gunna go"

"I woke up early on my born day I'm twenty years of blessing/ The essence of adolescent leaves my body now I'm fresh/ in My physical frame is celebrated cause I made it/ One quarter through life some God-ly like thing created/ Got rhymes 365 days annual plus some Load up the mic and bust one/ cuss while I puffs from my skull cause it's pain in my brain vein money maintain/ Don't go against the grain simple and plain/ When I was young at this I used to do my thing/ hard Robbin foreigners take they wallets they jewels and rip they green cards/ Dipped to the projects flashin my quick cash/ and got my first piece of ass smokin blunts with hash/ Now it's all about cash in abundance/ niggaz I used to run with is rich or doin years in the hundreds/ I switched my motto/ -- instead of sayin fuck tomorrow/ That buck that bought a bottle/ could've struck the lotto/ Once I stood on the block/ loose cracks produce stacks/ I cooked up and cut small pieces to get my loot back/ Time is Illmatic keep static like wool fabric Pack a four-matic that crack your whole cabbage


"Condominium, thug dressed like a gentleman
Tailor made ostrich, Chanel for my women friend
Murderin, numbers on your head while I'm burglarin
Shank is servin em, whassup to all my niggaz swervin in
New York metropolis, the Bridge brings apocalypse
Shoot at the clouds feels like, the holy beast is watchin us
Mad man my sanity is goin like an hourglass
Gun inside my bad hand I sliced tryin to bag grams"

those are just some random quotes from songs.... they're kinda hard to make out, better to listen to Nas flow


IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIP HOP THEN DON'T REPLY TO THIS THREAD, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR BAD OPINION ON IT IS

Originally posted by gang$tarr
Jay-Z Vs. Nas

I dunno maybe DVS could help me out.... somebody told me that HOT97 in new york is doin the King of NY thing. and i wanna know what's goin down, i wish i could get that station some how



Well, I don't like hip hop, but I will still reply. :D

Have you tried running a search to see if you can find a online broadcast? I know nowdays, pretty much every station does that.

YO i live in NYC i dont really listen to rap though but most of my friends do nobody has said nething about it.. ill ask around tomorrow and get back to u on it

I was going to post a thread yesterday about this. Yesterday Jay-Z released a response to Nas's "Ether". All I have to say is, right now all of NYC is reeling from what Jay_Z said about Nas. Quite frankly, I didn't even believe how bad Jay ripped into him. Don't get me wrong, I like Nas, but Jay is just a better lyricist than he is. Yesterday, he proved that. If you haven't heard the response, you need to hear it. It is sick!!!!!!

And just in case, G$, even Hot 97 said the same thing, Jay-Z ripped him up. I'm just waiting to see if Nas will respond.:hehe:

Who? What? King of NY? Isn't that Gulliani? Or maybe its from that "Escape From New York" movie.

I like both, but I think Jay-Z would be the one. I don't think Nas would claim that title anyway since BIG is gone. That simply being a matter of respect from his point of view.

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL
I was going to post a thread yesterday about this. Yesterday Jay-Z released a response to Nas's "Ether". All I have to say is, right now all of NYC is reeling from what Jay_Z said about Nas. Quite frankly, I didn't even believe how bad Jay ripped into him. Don't get me wrong, I like Nas, but Jay is just a better lyricist than he is. Yesterday, he proved that. If you haven't heard the response, you need to hear it. It is sick!!!!!!

And just in case, G$, even Hot 97 said the same thing, Jay-Z ripped him up. I'm just waiting to see if Nas will respond.:hehe:

No way! Nas destroys Jay-Z
I can't find an online broadcast of Hot97... they don't even have a website, it's like under construction or somethin

Nas kills jay... his lyrical skills are so much better than jays, his illmatic album really revolutionized hip hop
His best friend (Ill Will) was basically gunned down in front of him... and he's from queensbridge.
I don't really know anything about Jay-Z but i doubt he's been through as much

even 2pac took Nas back years ago..... like a week before pac died, him and pac had no beef, they made up. and pac was talkin bout how Nas is the illest rapper in NY. He was going to take the diss track off makevelli out but he died and didn't get the chance to, and they still put that track on the CD. It's actually 2pac sayin "Fuck Jay-Z" at the beginning of ether. (it's just a slowed down sample)
I love that track "We will survive" when nas gives props to pac

"Dear Pac/ Every thug sheds a teardrop/ And use to teeth to bite off beer tops/ And pour out a lil' liquor/ You was more than the wildest nigga/ 2Pacalypse, I understand your style nigga/ Its goin' on the 3rd year/ Since you've been gone/ On the East and West Coast the same shit is goin' on/ The industry be talkin'/ Offendin' me often/They don't beleive you dead/Wanna see you in your coffin/I pray late/Shootouts and court dates/All eyes on you/Niggaz in your face/Invadin' your space/ You asked if I could trade in your place/ How would I hold up/ How long would I ride, before I fold up?/ How did you know through your rhymes it was your time to go?/ You predicted it in every line/ All in your flow/ There could never be peace/ I have to quote/ Can't believe I heard my name on the relaest shit you ever wrote/ We had words/ Cause the best supposed to clash at the top/ But kept it brotherly/ When we seen each other and stopped/ In NYC, at MTV/ People watched/ We was both deep/ After you left, I got no sleep"

that is one sick ass verse... Jay-Z couldn't come close
I didn't like Nas last 2 albums much though... it's just illmatic, that album was amazing.... lets hope that wit the new album he's stillmatic :)



Nas rips jay up like madd
"eminem dissed you on your own shit, you a dick ridin faggot, you love the attention"
"How much of Biggie's rhymes gone come out your fat lips"
"Heard it when I was asleep, that this Gay-Z and Cock-a-fella records wanted beef"

"H to the izzO, M to the izzO, fo shizzo, ma nizzo.. you fake rap version of sisqo"

some more from ether:

"Rockefeller got it, AIDS, that was the end of his chapter
And that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after
Put it togEther, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas
And now you trying to take my spot, fellas?"

"My child, I watch you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it
You seem to be only concerned with dissing women
Were you abused as a child? Scared to smile, they called you ugly
Well, life is harsh, hug me, don't reject me
Or make records to disrespect me, blatant or indirectly
In '88, you was getting chased through your building
Calling my crib, and I ain't even give you my numbers
All I did was give you a style for you to run with
Smiling in my face, glad to break bread with the god
Wearing Jaz' chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars
No jail, bars, Jigga, no pies, no cake
Just Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase
You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a stan
I'll still whip your ass, you 36 in a karate class
You tae bo hoe, trying to work it out, you trying to get brolic
Ask me if i'm tryin ta kick knowledge"


LOL!!! I dunno how bad you can get ripped up but that is fuckin crazy..... i doubt Jay-Z can top that, since all jay-z talks about is how back in the day, like years ago he fucked Nas's ex-wife (before she got wit nas)
He's got nothin....

Most big hip hop names say Nas too
Jay-Z just tries to sell records, he really is a phony

somebody tell me the track i wanna hear his come back

Gang$tarr, instead of running your mouth and expressing your opinion, listen to the track and then come back. I'm not going to bother debating with you till then.:rolleyes:

i wasn't running my mouth? :) most of that was just Nas quotes, of what he's said about Jay
and how i feel about both rappers all around (not just the couple diss songs they have with each other)
since the king of NY is more than just a couple songs.... it's the overall rapper

and i could listen to jay-z's diss if you would tell me what it's called!! lol :D

also is there any place i can listen to Hot97 online?

NAS will NEVER be better than Jay-Z . . .

I've been following this from the beginning as a hardcore Jigga fan, and I tuned in to the radio last night.

NAS has an ill flow, don't get me wrong . . . he just couldn't keep up with his fame . . . he has no focus, and lost his way due to the hype of being a rap star.

"Ether" . . . is almost as deep as it is dirty, but you being the NAS fan (G$), I'll let you tell it . . . ;)

I missed the results of the poll on Hot 97.1 . . . I had an appointment to get my hair twisted . . .

updates anyone?

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i wasn't running my mouth? :) most of that was just Nas quotes, of what he's said about Jay
and how i feel about both rappers all around (not just the couple diss songs they have with each other)
since the king of NY is more than just a couple songs.... it's the overall rapper

and i could listen to jay-z's diss if you would tell me what it's called!! lol :D

also is there any place i can listen to Hot97 online?

Jay-Z's response is called "Super Ugly". He uses two beats. The first part starts with Nas's "Got yourself a gun" and the second part kicks in with Dr. Dre's "Super Ugly" beat. It is as everyone in NYC is calling it, "Super Ugly". Nas needs to come back with a response.

Jay-Z's disses:


- Blueprint 2 (Takeover 2) ??

- Super Ugly

Originally posted by i_rebel
Jay-Z's disses:


- Blueprint 2 (Takeover 2) ??

- Super Ugly

At last I heard, Jay-Z was in the lead as more New Yorkers said that Jay's response was more brutal and factual than Nas's assumptions and here say.

I got some of Super Ugly on tape . . . last night . . .

I'll give you a few quotes when I get back from lunch.

see i knew more people would like jay-z cause he's such a phony...... he just tries to satisfy the mainstream audience cause that's where he'll sell more records.. then he gets more fans, etc.
Jay-Z stole his style from Nas and Biggie
he just goes where the money is..

and Nas is way more focused than Jay-Z..... he doesn't want to be the most popular mainstream rapper with record album sales. He just wants to do his own thing, he actually said he wants to move to africa, cause that's his motherland. and he's probably goin to move to africa not long from now... cause he doesn't care about popularity or anything like that

I'm still just talkin about both overall rappers... i haven't listened to that jay-z song yet cause i don't think one song will change my opinion on a rapper

I'm not sayin that Jay-Z is a horrible rapper, i'm just sayin that Nas's skills on the mic are a level above
Nas is pretty much a legend... he's up with biggie and pac
without his illmatic album hip hop would be different right now

i'm gunna go try to find that jay-z song now

Originally posted by gang$tarr
see i knew more people would like jay-z cause he's such a phony...... he just tries to satisfy the mainstream audience cause that's where he'll sell more records.. then he gets more fans, etc.
Jay-Z stole his style from Nas and Biggie
he just goes where the money is..

and Nas is way more focused than Jay-Z..... he doesn't want to be the most popular mainstream rapper with record album sales. He just wants to do his own thing, he actually said he wants to move to africa, cause that's his motherland. and he's probably goin to move to africa not long from now... cause he doesn't care about popularity or anything like that

I'm still just talkin about both overall rappers... i haven't listened to that jay-z song yet cause i don't think one song will change my opinion on a rapper

I'm not sayin that Jay-Z is a horrible rapper, i'm just sayin that Nas's skills on the mic are a level above
Nas is pretty much a legend... he's up with biggie and pac
without his illmatic album hip hop would be different right now

i'm gunna go try to find that jay-z song now





NAS FAN! :rolleyes:



Like I said before, come to me after you hear the song, then we'll get into the whole focus and money debate.

aright, i listened to the super ugly track
that aint too bad, but jay-z still talks about all his money and hoes, i hate listening to shit like that.
but overall it wasn't too bad... it's like his other songs, somethin you could bounce too
but his rhymes are so simple, there aint nothin to them...

i still think Nas is way more deep, and his hip hop actually means somethin

not "i'm worth over a 100 million!" like do i really give a shit how much he's worth? no, i care about his hip hop style, flow, skills.
plus i think he lies alot in his hip hop "i got more shooters in queensbridge than you" fuck that.... Nas is QB crew, he gets mad respects there. Atleast that's what i think, if he didn't he wouldn't be QB crew...

"she was kissin my dick, while you were kissin that bitch"
"left condoms on your babies seat"
and why does jay bring this shit up every single time he talks or raps about nas??? like it happened so long ago, before nas even knew the bitch. but that's all jay's got, so he uses it on ever diss track

that's how i feel about it
Jay just doesn't have the experience and hip hop flow that Nas has...
Jay is good but not good enough to be the King of NY
if it wasn't for how much nas's illmatic album influenced hip hop today, than jigga would probably be the King of NY.. but Jay-z didn't really do anythin that changed hip hop
(he barely has his own style.... he learned from biggie and nas)

Stole his style from Biggie and NAS??

That's such a bold and ignorant statement, that I wonder if you've ever actually LISTENED to a Jay-Z track beyond what you hear on the radio.

You see him as only mainstream, cause you must be tapped into the mainstream only (??)

I agree with you, 'he tries to satisfy the mainstream audience . . . sell more records'. 100% correct!

He's in it (rap) to make money, and happens to be the best at it. I'll tell you the truth, I HATE him for that. I think his lyrics are better when he's in the raw . . . like when he's freestylin' . . . like when he's on some underground schitt . . . like when he's slayin' some lame-ass artist like NAS . . . feel me?

Don't hate cause he make money . . . don't hate cause he sees the industry for what it is: another H-U-S-T-L-E !!

He's in it to make money, and he has found the right formula. Anybody with common sense knows that LYRICAL SKILLS and the ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY aren't the same thing.

Jay's got skills in abundance and has the ability to make money . . .

NAs has skills and was content to have his name up in lights for a minute . . . he has no ambition . . . no REAL ambition anyway! Think about it . . . right now NAS' dream is to prove to NY that he is better than Jay-z . . . While Jay just wants to prove to NAS that he should give it up . . . ;)

NAS couldn't win over the mainstream audience if he WANTED to. He's not versatile enough . . . and please recognize that he has TRIED and FAILED . . . as in NO SUCCESS . . . witness that Oochie-Wally bullshit. All for nothing . . .

He's lame, washed up, struggling to be remembered by a fanbase that has moved on to bigger and better artists . . .

Now I'm going to respond to you Gang$tarr!

All the stuff that you talk about is your own damn opinion. So stop trying to push it like it's fact.

ALL rappers are in this game for the money. Prove me wrong. Even your "Underground" peeps are also trying to get in the door. Don't tell me "No" because you've seen this or that. I know because some of my friends and some friends to my cousing perform and shit and they are good at what they do. To Jay-Z this rap game is a hustle. He's in it for the dough. Just like every other rapper. I like Nas, but as of late, he's lost his flame. When Illmatic came out, he was definitely one to look out for. But you can never, not even once, compare any of his latest albums to Illmatic, period.

The topic of "Nas is deep". Rappers talk different games, sort of like going to and ice cream shop and picking a flavor. The only thing I'm hearing from you and getting is that you like his flavor above all others! He is nice, yes, but definitely not the best that is out there.

As far as what you may "think" QB is, let me tell you a little fact, not all rappers claim their area that profoundly. Nas reps Queens, YES. But that Jay doesn't have more, don't question that cuz you really don't know. If I'm not mistaken, Prodigy from Mobb Deep is from QB also, and he got mugged in his own fucking projects. So to say that Jay may not have that many peeps because that's Nas's turf, is fairy tale at best.

Thirdly, my friend, Jay-Z was in the hustle game waaaaaaay before Nas ever even thought of it. That's why he disses Jay about his name when he first came out. You obviously like Nas a lot and I'm not knocking you about it. But Jay brought the game to mainstream and Nas is just on the band wagon like everyone else, trying to make his money and leave. He want's to go back to Africa because that's it for him, he's made his money and is through with rap. Jay-Z talked about hustling from way back. Talked about alot of shit that Nas only used as storylines. Prove me with factual information, not what you think, of Nas's past. Remember the Firm? Whatever happened to that collabo? It flopped. I bet you're going to tell me that he had nothing to do with that either. And let's not forget the dick riding part, because in your eyes, Nas doesn't do that. Puffy, lauren Hill, Foxy Brown, Cormega, AZ, I think you get the picture.

And while I'm still on this, let me address this now. Biggie and Tupac, definitely in almost everyones eyes, the best lyricists that ever lived. Jay can be compared to Biggie like Nas is to Tupac. Biggie was good at telling stories and about the hustle. Tupac, well, he just used the direct approach with "Thug Life". Don't confuse the two approaches as one being better than the other. They both achieved the same results. Just that sometimes some people like their music rough, and others, they want something to bob their heads.

So please, quit with the Nas shit like he's supreme. He's good, but overall when it comes to flows, he's not Jay Z even by comparison. He does contain good content on his album, but he can't keep up with what Jay brings. I would even go so far as to say, even Big Pun(R.I.P.) is better than Nas, in the lyrical department.

Originally posted by i_rebel
Stole his style from Biggie and NAS??

That's such a bold and ignorant statement, that I wonder if you've ever actually LISTENED to a Jay-Z track beyond what you hear on the radio.

You see him as only mainstream, cause you must be tapped into the mainstream only (??)

I agree with you, 'he tries to satisfy the mainstream audience . . . sell more records'. 100% correct!

He's in it (rap) to make money, and happens to be the best at it. I'll tell you the truth, I HATE him for that. I think his lyrics are better when he's in the raw . . . like when he's freestylin' . . . like when he's on some underground schitt . . . like when he's slayin' some lame-ass artist like NAS . . . feel me?

Don't hate cause he make money . . . don't hate cause he sees the industry for what it is: another H-U-S-T-L-E !!

He's in it to make money, and he has found the right formula. Anybody with common sense knows that LYRICAL SKILLS and the ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY aren't the same thing.

Jay's got skills in abundance and has the ability to make money . . .

NAs has skills and was content to have his name up in lights for a minute . . . he has no ambition . . . no REAL ambition anyway! Think about it . . . right now NAS' dream is to prove to NY that he is better than Jay-z . . . While Jay just wants to prove to NAS that he should give it up . . . ;)

NAS couldn't win over the mainstream audience if he WANTED to. He's not versatile enough . . . and please recognize that he has TRIED and FAILED . . . as in NO SUCCESS . . . witness that Oochie-Wally bullshit. All for nothing . . .


I think what you said is a little ignorant...
I just hate artists that are in it just for the money... isn't that pretty much bein a phony? He doesn't have his own style cause he just tries to do what'll sell records. That's why I like Nas cause he's REAL
and yea i've heard more jay-z than is just on the radio, that's why i said he's good, just not great. I heard some of his shit before he was even popular (while nas already had a huge base of loyal fans) for example on Big Ls first album "lifestylez ov da poor & dangerous" he's featured in the song "da graveyard"
Jay-Z was alot better before he went all out mainstream
I don't even know how you could call Nas lame... rapping without a style, just to make money and appeal to a bigger audience, that just spells LAME to me. I don't like listening to fake artists in it just for the money as much as real hip hoppers that tell it how it is.
Like i said jay-z has skills, but they're far from the top.

Nas doesn't have an ambition you're right about that.... he didn't even wanna make this stillmatic album, he doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about popularity.... he doesn't try to be mainstream, he doesn't try to sell tons of records. He just raps with his own style and flow, if people like it then fine, if people don't then they don't.. that's why i like him, he raps like himself not like somebody else just to make a doller

Nas doesn't want the mainstream audience... so there's no point of sayin that, it's just whatever happens, happens for him.
and nas has not tried and failed to win over the mainstream audience... oochie wally was mainly QBs finest.... they wanted him to lay some lyrics on the track and he did. and don't tell me that song wasn't popular. He's in different forms in each album.

The king of NY isn't supposed to be whoevers hot right now, it's supposed to be a hip hop icon that has changed the culture.

Since Nas's illmatic album changed hip hop forever...... tell me ONE thing:


Has Jay-Z EVER put out an album that changed hip hop?

Originally posted by gang$tarr


I think what you said is a little ignorant...
I just hate artists that are in it just for the money... isn't that pretty much bein a phony?OPINION He doesn't have his own style cause he just tries to do what'll sell records.THAT'S WHATS CALLED "HUSTLING" That's why I like Nas cause he's REAL DEFINE "REAL"and yea i've heard more jay-z than is just on the radio, that's why i said he's good, just not great. I heard some of his shit before he was even popular (while nas already had a huge base of loyal fans)Do you have figures to back this up, because I would like to see them. for example on Big Ls first album "lifestylez ov da poor & dangerous" he's featured in the song "da graveyard"Being featured on one song highly doubtful that makes you more popular. Jay Z had an album out before this happened called "Dead Presidents"
Jay-Z was alot better before he went all out mainstream
I don't even know how you could call Nas lame... rapping without a style, just to make money and appeal to a bigger audience, that just spells LAME to me. Again, Opinion and does not deal with lyrical flowI don't like listening to fake artists in it just for the money as much as real hip hoppers that tell it how it is.
Like i said jay-z has skills, but they're far from the top.

Nas doesn't have an ambition you're right about that.... he didn't even wanna make this stillmatic album, he doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about popularity....Because he's made his already:rolleyes: he doesn't try to be mainstream, he doesn't try to sell tons of records. He just raps with his own style and flow, if people like it then fine, if people don't then they don't.. that's why i like him, he raps like himself not like somebody else just to make a dollerJust an FYI, Nas recently had a concert in Rochester. He threw it and my cousin happened to attend. Now, the audience are his fans, they even booed him off the stage, threw chairs, spit, whatever was handy, because he sang the Jay-Z diss. Now tell me the skills in that!:rolleyes:

Nas doesn't want the mainstream audience... so there's no point of sayin that, it's just whatever happens, happens for him.
and nas has not tried and failed to win over the mainstream audience... oochie wally was mainly QBs finest.... they wanted him to lay some lyrics on the track and he did. and don't tell me that song wasn't popular. He's in different forms in each album.That album and him on it was garbage, and I have the album to back this statement.

The king of NY isn't supposed to be whoevers hot right now, it's supposed to be a hip hop icon that has changed the culture.

Since Nas's illmatic album changed hip hop forever...... tell me ONE thing:


Has Jay-Z EVER put out an album that changed hip hop?

In answer to your last question: Unreasonable doubt and Dead Presidents!


Could we end this now please?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by gang$tarr


I think what you said is a little ignorant...
I just hate artists that are in it just for the money... isn't that pretty much bein a phony? He doesn't have his own style cause he just tries to do what'll sell records. That's why I like Nas cause he's REAL
and yea i've heard more jay-z than is just on the radio, that's why i said he's good, just not great. I heard some of his shit before he was even popular (while nas already had a huge base of loyal fans) for example on Big Ls first album "lifestylez ov da poor & dangerous" he's featured in the song "da graveyard"
Jay-Z was alot better before he went all out mainstream
I don't even know how you could call Nas lame... rapping without a style, just to make money and appeal to a bigger audience, that just spells LAME to me. I don't like listening to fake artists in it just for the money as much as real hip hoppers that tell it how it is.
Like i said jay-z has skills, but they're far from the top.

Nas doesn't have an ambition you're right about that.... he didn't even wanna make this stillmatic album, he doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about popularity.... he doesn't try to be mainstream, he doesn't try to sell tons of records. He just raps with his own style and flow, if people like it then fine, if people don't then they don't.. that's why i like him, he raps like himself not like somebody else just to make a doller

Nas doesn't want the mainstream audience... so there's no point of sayin that, it's just whatever happens, happens for him.
and nas has not tried and failed to win over the mainstream audience... oochie wally was mainly QBs finest.... they wanted him to lay some lyrics on the track and he did. and don't tell me that song wasn't popular. He's in different forms in each album.

The king of NY isn't supposed to be whoevers hot right now, it's supposed to be a hip hop icon that has changed the culture.

Since Nas's illmatic album changed hip hop forever...... tell me ONE thing:


Has Jay-Z EVER put out an album that changed hip hop?


Okay, G$, To answer your question about Jay Z putting out an album that has changed hip hop. Try his first album, and you can't deny that alot of cats liked Volume 2. That album made the whole world re think Jigga's agenda, and his hustle game. You can't deny that Jay was in the hustle game before Nas. Nas came out of no where, with all this beef, and quite frankly Jay does a good job at retaliating at him. Nas can't bring it like Jay Z. I mean, Jay's lyrics are iller, the beats are better, and his flow is better for battles and such. Nas, his lyrics are very,very "commerical" "SOME" of Jay's aren't, oh he talks about his hoes, and his money? SO does Nas, all rappers do. You can't say that Nas is the king of NYC, because he clearly isn't. And DVS said that Big Pun(R.I.P) is a better lyracists then Nas, is not an understatement. Pun brought it, and backed himself up. Nas, backs himself up, but he sure isn't bringing it to the table lik Jay is. So, stop pushing your post as they are actual facts, your posts are you personal sayings, NO ONE will respect you for what you are saying.


Edit: Most of the kats I know, think Illmatic DIDN'T change hip hop. Hmm, well, maybe thats because NAS didn't change hip hop at all. That was Biggie(R.I.P) and Pac(R.I.P?) Since when has nas changed Hip Hop? IMO never, because Illmatic might be a classic, but its not an album that defyed Hip hop to another level. Hip Hop changed, souly on the rivlary of 2pac and Biggie, not just 1 nas album. To be honest, its your personal opipion(spelling i could give a fuck less about) that Illmatic changed Hip Hop, how many people are going to take your word as "FACT" nobody in NYC would have any respect for you. Truth is. ILLMATIC did NOT change Hip Hop.

Here's as much of "Super Ugly" as I could remember while on my lumch break:


Me & the boy A.I. got more in common,
Than just ballin' and rhymin',
Get it . . . ?,
MORE IN COMMON . . .

I came in your Bentley back seat,
Skeeted in your jeep,
Left condoms on your baby seat . . .

Yeah ni**a the gloves is off,
The love is done,
It's whatever, whenever, however, ni**a . . . ONE!

And since you infatuated with sayin' that gay shit,
Guess you was kissin' my dick,
When you was kissin' that bitch . . .


. . . just a sample . . .

Originally posted by i_rebel


And since you infatuated with sayin' that gay shit,
Guess you was kissin' my dick,
When you was kissin' that bitch . . .


. . . just a sample . . .


:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::e ek2::eek2:

and i respond... mainly to DVS

I keep tellin you guys that jay is good i just think IMO that nas is better
Most people i've talked to from NY think that the Jay-Z ugly come back was wack

reasonable doubt is incredible album... but no way did it ever mpact hiphop like illmatic did! no one cared bout jay till big died

illmatic was the first lp to have incredible production and lyrics, every other classic before had only one, and was lackin elsewhere.

Prodigy wasn't mugged in his own hood, he's not from QB he's from Queenslake

You say Nas is on the bandwagon!?!!! Jay has always wanted to work with nas.... nas didnt even give a fuck bout jay!

"we argue about who's the best mc, jay z,biggie or nas"
-Jay z

Mr. Jay-Z give Nas props himself!! That's in jay's "in my lifetime vol.1"
i bet even jay wouldn't say that Nas is on the bandwagon

and you say Jay talked about hustlin from wayyy back??? helllll no
his first single from '89 with big, jay all he talked about was muslims and religion.
before jay wasnt mc'ing about hustlin he was mcing about muslims and shit.... that failed and he changed up his style
jay jumped on the bandwagon! LOL :D

that's enough for now..... but i'm liking this hip hop discussion

Originally posted by gang$tarr
and i respond... mainly to DVS

I keep tellin you guys that jay is good i just think IMO that nas is better
Most people i've talked to from NY think that the Jay-Z ugly come back was wack

reasonable doubt is incredible album... but no way did it ever mpact hiphop like illmatic did! no one cared bout jay till big died

illmatic was the first lp to have incredible production and lyrics, every other classic before had only one, and was lackin elsewhere.

Prodigy wasn't mugged in his own hood, he's not from QB he's from Queenslake

You say Nas is on the bandwagon!?!!! Jay has always wanted to work with nas.... nas didnt even give a fuck bout jay!

"we argue about who's the best mc, jay z,biggie or nas"
-Jay z

Mr. Jay-Z give Nas props himself!! That's in jay's "in my lifetime vol.1"
i bet even jay wouldn't say that Nas is on the bandwagon

and you say Jay talked about hustlin from wayyy back??? helllll no
his first single from '89 with big, jay all he talked about was muslims and religion.
before jay wasnt mc'ing about hustlin he was mcing about muslims and shit.... that failed and he changed up his style
jay jumped on the bandwagon! LOL :D

that's enough for now..... but i'm liking this hip hop discussion

Hmm,

Oh, Illmatic is still the first classic album? Nope, fraid not, people before NAS had classic albums with these so called phat lyrics, and phat ass production. So, don't count Nas for that credit to himself,because its not his to claim alone. Why are you still resorting to Illmatic as the first hip hop album to be considered classic(which IMO is is sure fire one of the classics, but NOT THE FIRST) alot of NYC cats will dissagree with you and your NAS and Illmatic is the best album outta NYC. Illmatic is a classic IN YOUR EYES, and most other fans Bias to NAS. But his new shit is wacker then shit, but Jay still manages to put out one hot album after the other(with exception to the dynasty that album is Jay's Only wack album to date. All nas's other albums aren't anywhere near the caliber of Jiggas these days. GS, your still trying to post like your posts are "ACTUAL FACT" when they aren't even close to being fact. You can't keep pushing your shit. Like I said before, Nobody would respect your opipions if you flat out said this to somebody in NYC.

I might be wrong, but you sure as hell aren't even near 100 percent correct. DVS is the ONLY one here that is tearing your posts into shreds easily.

Originally posted by gang$tarr
and i respond... mainly to DVS

I keep tellin you guys that jay is good i just think IMO that nas is better
Most people i've talked to from NY think that the Jay-Z ugly come back was wackWHO HAVE YOU SPOKEN TOO FROM CANADA? I'm here right now listening to the radio, listening since last night and the OPINION that you are saying is not the NYC crowd!:rolleyes:

reasonable doubt is incredible album... but no way did it ever mpact hiphop like illmatic did! no one cared bout jay till big diedExplain this impact that you speak so much about. What did illmatic, aside from getting Nas some recognition, change HIP HOP!

illmatic was the first lp to have incredible production and lyrics, every other classic before had only one, and was lackin elsewhere.Heresay!:rolleyes:

Prodigy wasn't mugged in his own hood, he's not from QB he's from QueenslakeWrong! He's from Queensbridge. That is fact

You say Nas is on the bandwagon!?!!! Jay has always wanted to work with nas.... nas didnt even give a fuck bout jay!Again, when and where?

"we argue about who's the best mc, jay z,biggie or nas"
-Jay z

Mr. Jay-Z give Nas props himself!! That's in jay's "in my lifetime vol.1"
i bet even jay wouldn't say that Nas is on the bandwagon

and you say Jay talked about hustlin from wayyy back??? helllll no
his first single from '89 with big, jay all he talked about was muslims and religion.You're obviously speaking from what someone told you if you believe that. I suggest you research you information buddy.
before jay wasnt mc'ing about hustlin he was mcing about muslims and shit.... that failed and he changed up his style
jay jumped on the bandwagon! LOL :DWTF r u talking about?:confused: He never, and I mean never rapped about that shit. Show me proof!

that's enough for now..... but i'm liking this hip hop discussion

Now to add, Nas is a good rapper. But he's no Jay Z, Tupac, or Biggie. He keeps to himself cause he knows that he's not on their level. Not because of the mainstream, not because of the money, not because of the popularity, but because he's not on their level. You know what, let me ask you this, Nas or Big L, which was better? Please don't give me a fuckin history lesson either, just answer the question.

You know G$, I gotta love the way you claim to know so much about hip hop yet don't have a shread of proof to back up your statements except for he said, she said crap. That doesn't back up one thing that you've said in this whole thing. But I will stay out of this topic as it proves once again that you don't get the point and never will. You need to brush up on your history with Jay though. He came out with something before 89 and it wasn't no muslim stuff. I'll let you find out if you really want to claim you know your stuff. I'm through with this thread.

BTW GS


heres something from MTV news for you.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1451446/20011213/jay_z.jhtml?headlines=true



Ohh, GS, your shot down, why do you even keep trying to take down DVS? You can't suceed in that, so just give up yo.


BTW,

Your not the Hip Hop guru around here anyways.


Oh, GS is a Hip Hop Guru:rolleyes:

jay-z is way better yo.

I choose Jay-Z.

Why you ask? I like the music better than I like Nas's stuff.

Im not getting involved in the debate.

Edit: Bah, what a crappy 1000th post. :bloated:

You know what? I can't help myself! Since you claim to know so much. Let's see,hmmmm.........


// Jay-Z Trivia

Did You Know That ...

Gloria Carter is Jay-Z's mom?

Jay-Z has a dog named Winkels?

DJ Premier is the only DJ that produced songs in all of Jigga's solo albums?

the Notorious B.i.G. is Shawn's biggest fan?

Jay-Z was raised in the Marcy Projects?

before he started dropping albums, Jay-Z worked as a cashier at a Kentucky Fried Chicken?

Mr. Carter met Memphis Bleek at KFC?

Jay-Z is included in the Murder Inc. trio of Ja Rule and DMX?

in the video of "Hard Knock Life", the girl sitting beside Jigga is Peter Gunz' daughter?

December 4, 1969 is Hova's birth date?

Big Jaz of the Originators introduced Jay to the Hip Hop public?

Pain In Da Ass is the only Roc-A-Fella artist who is banned from the office?

at age 9, Jay shot his brother in the shoulder (for stealing Shawn's ring).

Jay's shoe size is 10?

1988 was the year Jay-Z came to the rap business?

has 1 brother and 2 sisters?

Jay was about to sign Big L to Roc-A-Fella before he died?

Jay went to school with notorious B.I.G and Busta Rhymes?

Jay never writes none of his raps down on paper he always keeps them in his head?

Jay-Z got his name because he always dressed nice and his friends said he was jazzy?

Shawn started hustlin at the age of 16?




AT millennium's end, the hottest rapper in pop music is Jay-Z. Since the release of his quadruple-platinum Vol. II … Hard Knock Life, Jay-Z has had an incredible string of urban radio hits: "Can I Get a …," "Hard Knock Life," "Jigga What, Jigga Who," "Money, Cash" … the list goes on and on. And unlike many of today's most popular rap artists, he built an extensive catalog of hits before making his mark on the charts and enjoys underground respectability as well as mainstream acceptance.

Longtime rap fans may remember Jay-Z as an associate of the Jaz, who had a minor hit in 1988 with "Hawaiian Sophie." Before that, he was Shawn Carter, a young man from Brooklyn's Marcy Projects. Though Carter was a promising student, his wild behavior led him to a vocational high school in Brooklyn, where he met future stars Christopher Wallace (the Notorious B.I.G.) and Trevor Smith (Busta Rhymes).

As a young MC, Jay-Z appeared on several underground mix tapes, and his work with the Jaz appeared promising. But with bills to pay, Jay-Z increasingly found himself mired in the criminal underworld, a life he had known since the age of 16. It wasn't until 1992 that he found the courage to leave the life of a drug dealer behind him.

After his retirement from crime, Jay-Z began to look for a record deal as a solo artist, but only had a guest appearance on long-forgotten rap group Original Flavor's 1993 single "Can I Get Open" to show for his efforts. It wasn't until a friend, Roc-A-Fella CEO Damon Dash, convinced him to form a record company with him that Jay-Z's career finally got off the ground. Jay-Z released his first single through Roc-A-Fella in 1995, "In My Lifetime." It proved to be a hit in New York's fickle hip-hop scene, and helped Dash and Jay-Z secure a distribution deal for Jay-Z's debut, Reasonable Doubt.

Though it wasn't a huge seller, Reasonable Doubt confirmed Jay-Z's status as one of the most promising lyricists in years, a rapper who vividly portrayed the highs and lows of being a black gangster. It yielded two hits, "Can't Knock the Hustle" (with Mary J. Blige), and "Feelin' It."

More importantly, it earned the admiration of veteran rap stars as varied as Ice Cube and the Notorious B.I.G., who joined Jay-Z on "Brooklyn's Finest," a vicious response to 2Pac's "Hit 'Em Up" single. A third hit, "Ain't No N****" (with Foxy Brown) found its way onto The Nutty Professor soundtrack.

The next year, Jay-Z and Dash negotiated a new distribution deal with Def Jam Records for Roc-A-Fella. The ascendant rapper had promised that Reasonable Doubt would be his only album, but he followed it up in 1997 with In My Lifetime, Vol. 1, a somber effort partly influenced by the murder of the Notorious B.I.G. Despite mixed reviews, the album entered the charts at No. 3, went platinum, and spawned two singles, "The City Is Mine" and "Sunshine" (with Babyface and Foxy Brown).

"I think 85 percent of it is solid," Jay-Z told Vibe magazine. "And that 85 percent was better than everybody else's album at the time."

That winter, Jay-Z was one of several opening acts on Puff Daddy's 1997 "No Way Out" tour. But conflicts with the tour's promoters led him to abandon ship soon after it began; instead, he decided to focus his energy on the fledgling Roc-A-Fella label and a straight-to-video film, Streets Is Watching. A short film about a group of hustlers in Brooklyn, Streets also served as a showcase for Roc-A-Fella artists like rapper Memphis Bleek, R&B duo Christion, and mix-tape star DJ Clue.

"Vol.2 Hard Knock Life" went platinum the first week out. And was number 1 on billboard for 5 weeks. With him being the first artist who had the No.1 radio single in the entire country last year with "Can I Get A..."

After that Jay-Z was on a roll. By the time Jay-Z finished the Hard Knock Life tour he was certified 4x's platinum. Also he was nominated for three Grammies. He won for "Best Rap Album". For Murder Dog magazine Jay-Z was named Best Male Solo 1998. Now with his fourth album out "The Life & Times of S. Carter" which is now certified 2x's platinum. It 's only one thing to be said is you no what to expect from the God MC the Jay-Hova. He never fails. Do you believe? For those who think that Jay doesn't care about his people, half the proceeds from the Hard Knock Life Tour Jay donated it to the columbine tragedy and $1,000 from "Do It Again" promo tour from (12 cities) went to TEAM ROC. All Shawn Carter wanted to do is reach his people. So all Jay-Hova witnesses keep believing.


That's it, I'm done!:D

I cant believe I red this post from beginning to the end. However, since I did it, I can conclude that:

I still dont like RAP
I have no idea what half the lyrics being quoted mean or why they are constitured as deep
Why making a profit makes someones music (even rap) worse or less "real" then someone elses
I dont know who this Jay-Z is
I dont know who this Nas is
I dont wanna know either one.

And why the heck did I read this whole thing?

Peace!

:)

Originally posted by YogsVR4
I cant believe I red this post from beginning to the end. However, since I did it, I can conclude that:

I still dont like RAP
I have no idea what half the lyrics being quoted mean or why they are constitured as deep
Why making a profit makes someones music (even rap) worse or less "real" then someone elses
I dont know who this Jay-Z is
I dont know who this Nas is
I dont wanna know either one.

And why the heck did I read this whole thing?

Peace!

:)


Because you're special!:finger: :D :D :D

Don't mind me, I'm just here for the show. :D

Originally posted by kbslacker
Don't mind me, I'm just here for the show. :D theres a show what kind.?

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL
You know what? I can't help myself! Since you claim to know so much. Let's see,hmmmm.........


// Jay-Z Trivia

Did You Know That ...

Gloria Carter is Jay-Z's mom?

Jay-Z has a dog named Winkels?

DJ Premier is the only DJ that produced songs in all of Jigga's solo albums?

the Notorious B.i.G. is Shawn's biggest fan?

Jay-Z was raised in the Marcy Projects?

before he started dropping albums, Jay-Z worked as a cashier at a Kentucky Fried Chicken?

Mr. Carter met Memphis Bleek at KFC?

Jay-Z is included in the Murder Inc. trio of Ja Rule and DMX?

in the video of "Hard Knock Life", the girl sitting beside Jigga is Peter Gunz' daughter?

December 4, 1969 is Hova's birth date?

Big Jaz of the Originators introduced Jay to the Hip Hop public?

Pain In Da Ass is the only Roc-A-Fella artist who is banned from the office?

at age 9, Jay shot his brother in the shoulder (for stealing Shawn's ring).

Jay's shoe size is 10?

1988 was the year Jay-Z came to the rap business?

has 1 brother and 2 sisters?

Jay was about to sign Big L to Roc-A-Fella before he died?

Jay went to school with notorious B.I.G and Busta Rhymes?

Jay never writes none of his raps down on paper he always keeps them in his head?

Jay-Z got his name because he always dressed nice and his friends said he was jazzy?

Shawn started hustlin at the age of 16?



well B.I.G. being his biggest fan is kind of a opinion thing too..... there's no fact that could prove that.... not like it matters, i never said biggie didn't like him

and i care about this why??
look at the first page i write:

Originally posted by gang$tarr

I don't really know anything about Jay-Z


i know some... but not a whole lot about Jay-Z

I'll be back to really respond to you and skyline... i gotta head out for a while (pick somethin up from from my friends house)

lata

oh yeah... and skyline... read again, i never said that illmatic was the first classic album, there are lots of really good albums (classics) that came out before it. but as i have said tons of times [IN MY OPINION] it is the first LP that had both incredible lyrics and really good production. Most other albums that came out before it were missing..
and why'd you give me a link to that mtv article?

you keep saying i'm not giving any fact.... whata about all those quotes, lyrics, refrences to albums, etc.
if you guys don't think that's fact than i dunno what is

and DVS, why do you think just because i live a bit over 8 hour (drive away) i don't know anybody from New York?? I have lots of relatives that live in New York and Rhode Island, also i have friends there.
Also when i was lookin for the Hot97 thing yesterday i ran accross alotta message boards filled with people from NY saying the Jay-Z diss was wack

I'll fully respond in a bit

Originally posted by gang$tarr


well B.I.G. being his biggest fan is kind of a opinion thing too..... there's no fact that could prove that.... not like it matters, i never said biggie didn't like him

and i care about this why??
look at the first page i write:



i know some... but not a whole lot about Jay-Z

I'll be back to really respond to you and skyline... i gotta head out for a while (pick somethin up from from my friends house)

lata

oh yeah... and skyline... read again, i never said that illmatic was the first classic album, there are lots of really good albums (classics) that came out before it. but as i have said tons of times [IN MY OPINION] it is the first LP that had both incredible lyrics and really good production. Most other albums that came out before it were missing..
and why'd you give me a link to that mtv article?

you keep saying i'm not giving any fact.... whata about all those quotes, lyrics, refrences to albums, etc.
if you guys don't think that's fact than i dunno what is

and DVS, why do you think just because i live a bit over 8 hour (drive away) i don't know anybody from New York?? I have lots of relatives that live in New York and Rhode Island, also i have friends there.
Also when i was lookin for the Hot97 thing yesterday i ran accross alotta message boards filled with people from NY saying the Jay-Z diss was wack

I'll fully respond in a bit


Aiyo, just give a rest man, I don't care what you have to say. Those quotes are facts? Hmm, if thats what you think, well, go for it. I'm done with this thread now, I admit, I don't wanna cause any more beef between us anymore. I'm keeping it tactful and glady leaving this thread. Why is that? Because, I've done to the best of my knowledge all I could. I dunno about that link dude, was just browsing around and it goes along with what we are debating about, at least WHAT i was attempting to debate about, but DVS pretty much said more then I could. I don't want to cause anymore beef here. So I am done with this thread.


One!



Edit: No I'm not admitting defeat, I haven't be defeated.:D

Originally posted by SkYLiNeFrEaK

Those quotes are facts? Hmm, if thats what you think, well, go for it.


How could that not be a fact, i quote words commin straight from Jay-Zs mouth and give a reference to where he says it.... if that's not fact, than what the hell is?
Nas's lyrics didnt change, his production did....nas has always been dope as an mc.....listen to his newer shit like NY state of mind 2.
His last 2 albums were weak, but if you just listen to the lyrics and ignore all the shitty ass producing, nas still has flow and style.

like Shoot'em up, that's on nastradamus, which in my opinion is the worst Nas album ever made

"1 .44
2 .45’s
3 loaded clips
4 niggaz roll
1 nigga drives
500 benz
6 reasons why
This kid should die
We shootin’ every muthafucka outside
Pulled on his block jumped out the car
Guns in our hand at the same time everybody ran
There that nigga go, hiding in the crowd
Let the trigger blow, 7 shots now he lying on the ground
Blood on the floor then we shot some more
Niggaz he was with, 2 niggaz hit one nigga fell
One tried to run, go get ‘em son make sure he’s done
Before we bail, I ain’t tryin to go to jail
Must handle beef, code of the street
Load up the heat, if these niggaz think they can fuck around"

that track has unbelievable flow, you might not know how he raps it just by lookin at the words.. but if you've heard it you know it floooowwws
keepin with the Nas style, just the production = horrible
i'm not talkin about anythin else except pure lyrical skills and i think nas is far ahead of jigga lyrically
an skyline we got no beef!! we're just people with different tastes in hip hop having a discussion

okay DVS:

prodigy isn't from queensbridge, where'd you get that fact DVS?? he's just boys wit havoc from queensbridge. they just gave him love cause he was reppin queensbridge, listen to that new nas track about QB he even says it "you aint even from this hood"

You're like one of the only people that i've talked to from NY that says Jay-Z is better and he won? On angie martinez's show they said Nas won and yesterday they had a vote with marley marl and them, they choose nas too.

about the muslim thing, jay did it with big jaz... back in 88
im sorry i dont have any song names...but i know it is true.

I know this guy that used to go to highschool with jay-z, he's 27 now.....straigh outta bk. He always! talks about how Jay switched up his style from the muslim ish...

oh and if you want more proof about how illmatic impacted hip hop check "the source" magazine (the newer one that has a big
article about Nas... same mag with Suge Knight in it) even nas says it..."i heard he [jay-z] was mad cause i wouldn't come to the studio or to his videos" in that same mag they talk about how illmatic "revolutionized hip hop" and that hip hop wouldn't be the same now without that album. There's my proof of that..... I thought everybody knew that?!?
obviously not
"Nas secured his place in history with a classic debut"

and you guys are saying jay-z comes out with good album after good album. well he hasn't came close to duplicating reasonable doubt, just like Nas hasn't duplicated somethin like illmatic, cause how do you follow up an album that "revolutionized hip hop" <-- quote from the source about illmatic.

more from what nas says in the source, basically talkin about people like you guys: "I made a soft song about africa and did it with beatiful mcing and you guys said i sold out?"
"i can only do what i want for myself, ill only talk about what is real if you wanna call that commercial theres nothing i can do about it"

and Nas has followed up with several amazing albums! It was written was sick and same with i am..
i am got 4.5 mics!!

and you said that DJ premier produces in all of Jay-Zs solo albums???? RIIIGHTT!!
try:

reasonable doubt: primo does 3 of 15 songs
vol.1 : 3 of 14 ( i think)
vol.2:1 song of 12
vol 3:1 of 17 songs
dynasty : 0 tracks by primo
blueprint:0 tracks by primo

DJ premier all? uhhh no
and even DJ premier on Hot97 went with Nas, he said and i quote "Nas ate him"

i would still say jay-z gets the better beats in than nas, so it sounds good but lyrically nas is a level up, he's accomplished alot.

and DVS i'm givin waaaay more facts and proof than you are!
I give quotes, refrences to albums, magazines, etc... what do you say? "that is a fact" way to proove it, if you say it's a fact, well then it must be :rolleyes:
all your stuff is opinion


"yet don't have a shread of proof to
back up your statements except for he said, she said crap.
That doesn't back up one thing that you've said in this
whole thing. But I will stay out of this topic as it proves
once again that you don't get the point and never will."

LOL okay then DVS.... since EVERYTHING you said was backed up with pure proof :rolleyes:
even those so called Jay-Z facts that i didn't ask for and i have no clue why you even posted, they weren't all true
You're so arrogant, like you think you know everything about hip hop

"You say Nas is on the bandwagon!?!!! Jay has always wanted to work with nas.... nas didnt even give a fuck bout jay!Again, when and where?

"we argue about who's the best mc, jay z,biggie or nas"
-Jay z

Mr. Jay-Z give Nas props himself!! That's in jay's "in my lifetime vol.1"

are you simple?? look at the quote! "again when and where" try lookin under the sentance,
if jay-z is givin Nas props himself and sayin nas is one of the best rappers ever in that song, i'm sure he wanted to work with him

who is better nas or Big L?
Big L is a fuckin sick rapper.... but he didn't come close to
the impact nas had on hip hop.
Big L didn't get his chance, he was just about to explode, right when he died.
He woulda been up there, made it to mainstream, up wit jay-z, if he was still alive :(

Originally posted by gang$tarr
okay DVS:

prodigy isn't from queensbridge, where'd you get that fact DVS?? he's just boys wit havoc from queensbridge. they just gave him love cause he was reppin queensbridge, listen to that new nas track about QB he even says it "you aint even from this hood"

You're like one of the only people that i've talked to from NY that says Jay-Z is better and he won? On angie martinez's show they said Nas won and yesterday they had a vote with marley marl and them, they choose nas too.

about the muslim thing, jay did it with big jaz... back in 88
im sorry i dont have any song names...but i know it is true.

I know this guy that used to go to highschool with jay-z, he's 27 now.....straigh outta bk. He always! talks about how Jay switched up his style from the muslim ish...

oh and if you want more proof about how illmatic impacted hip hop check "the source" magazine (the newer one that has a big
article about Nas... same mag with Suge Knight in it) even nas says it..."i heard he [jay-z] was mad cause i wouldn't come to the studio or to his videos" in that same mag they talk about how illmatic "revolutionized hip hop" and that hip hop wouldn't be the same now without that album. There's my proof of that..... I thought everybody knew that?!?
obviously not
"Nas secured his place in history with a classic debut"

and you guys are saying jay-z comes out with good album after good album. well he hasn't came close to duplicating reasonable doubt, just like Nas hasn't duplicated somethin like illmatic, cause how do you follow up an album that "revolutionized hip hop" <-- quote from the source about illmatic.

more from what nas says in the source, basically talkin about people like you guys: "I made a soft song about africa and did it with beatiful mcing and you guys said i sold out?"
"i can only do what i want for myself, ill only talk about what is real if you wanna call that commercial theres nothing i can do about it"

and Nas has followed up with several amazing albums! It was written was sick and same with i am..
i am got 4.5 mics!!

and you said that DJ premier produces in all of Jay-Zs solo albums???? RIIIGHTT!!
try:

reasonable doubt: primo does 3 of 15 songs
vol.1 : 3 of 14 ( i think)
vol.2:1 song of 12
vol 3:1 of 17 songs
dynasty : 0 tracks by primo
blueprint:0 tracks by primo

DJ premier all? uhhh no
and even DJ premier on Hot97 went with Nas, he said and i quote "Nas ate him"

i would still say jay-z gets the better beats in than nas, so it sounds good but lyrically nas is a level up, he's accomplished alot.

and DVS i'm givin waaaay more facts and proof than you are!
I give quotes, refrences to albums, magazines, etc... what do you say? "that is a fact" way to proove it, if you say it's a fact, well then it must be :rolleyes:
all your stuff is opinion


"yet don't have a shread of proof to
back up your statements except for he said, she said crap.
That doesn't back up one thing that you've said in this
whole thing. But I will stay out of this topic as it proves
once again that you don't get the point and never will."

LOL okay then DVS.... since EVERYTHING you said was backed up with pure proof :rolleyes:
even those so called Jay-Z facts that i didn't ask for and i have no clue why you even posted, they weren't all true
You're so arrogant, like you think you know everything about hip hop

"You say Nas is on the bandwagon!?!!! Jay has always wanted to work with nas.... nas didnt even give a fuck bout jay!Again, when and where?

"we argue about who's the best mc, jay z,biggie or nas"
-Jay z

Mr. Jay-Z give Nas props himself!! That's in jay's "in my lifetime vol.1"

are you simple?? look at the quote! "again when and where" try lookin under the sentance,
if jay-z is givin Nas props himself and sayin nas is one of the best rappers ever in that song, i'm sure he wanted to work with him

who is better nas or Big L?
Big L is a fuckin sick rapper.... but he didn't come close to
the impact nas had on hip hop.
Big L didn't get his chance, he was just about to explode, right when he died.
He woulda been up there, made it to mainstream, up wit jay-z, if he was still alive :(


Look Gang$tarr, quoting something from the source, isn't stating a fact. The source get's it's info and makes it's own opinion on the info received, that is called journalism. Read about that. And another thing, the facts that I put up were just copy and paste from the Official Jay-Z website. NOT THE SOURCE! You still don't get it like I said, and you're wasting my time. And another thing, I never said and never made claim to know everything about hip hop. But judging from your answers, I know more than you. You go with the words of others and present them as facts:rolleyes:, how naive are you? I'll say it again, Nas's "Illmatic" album was good and a classic. It, however, did not revolutionize hip hop! If you want to talk about revolutionization, read up on Grand Master Flash and the Furious 5, Kool Moe Dee, Kool G Rap, LL Cool J, and a host of others. They formed what you call Hip Hop today.

Secondly, you posting up lyrics from songs and because of that, I'm supposed to believe that what you're posting is scripture?:rolleyes: What a fuckin' joke! Now, I will tell you one thing. I lived that life, I am still where I am and I'm more in touch than you. You go online and chat with people like they are the foremost experts! Come to my hood and I will show you truth. I don't want to bother with this topic anymore. You obviously are an avid Nas fan and stand behind him whole heartedly, I respect that. I will say though, and "most cats will tell you around here" Nas is good, but definitely not the top contenders. And if you need further facts, check sound scan.

Oh and that Mobb Deep thing, this is from Loud Records official website:

"MOBB HISTORY

"Been tellin' niggas how my gangsta get. /You could trace it all the way back to the Infamous./Now this dunn language is the motivation of they talkin'…" - - "Bitches on My Back".

For nearly a decade, Mobb Deep's split personalities, Havoc and Prodigy, have voiced the unspeakable truths of their Queensbridge, NY streets with more brutal honesty and ruthless consistency than any others in the rap world. On their 1993 debut, Juvenile Hell and DJ Premier-produced first single, "Peer Pressure,"-a teenaged Hav and P brought to life America's worst fears of a youth gone terribly wrong. And the grim portraits of ghetto manic depression only grew sharper in 1995 on their landmark sophomore album, The Infamous. That album's standout hits "Shook Ones Pt. II," "Survival of the Fittest," and "Trife Life," established a cult of Mobb personality (complete with it's own QB-bred lingo and Havoc's blistering signature beats) so hypnotic that even inspired some devout fans to tatoo "Infamous" on their necks. In 1997, the duo "dropped a gem on 'em" with their second certified-gold LP, Hell on Earth. And with no where to go but up, Mobb Deep released 1999's Murder Muzik, which instantly went platinum with a lead single "Quiet Storm (remix)," featuring Lil' Kim, that caused near-riots on nightclub floors.

This is taken from the company that they work for, not "The Source".

Now please, stop wasting my time with your opinions. You haven't said anything factual that represent Nas's history. You didn't ask for the facts, but I put them up anyway to prove a point. Not everyone uses "The Source" as the way to get info. I recommend that you try going or using official websites that have their personal and biographical info to debate facts from heresay.

With that, I'm through with this!

aright i somewhat repect that.... but why do you say everythin in my post is quoted from "the source"???

there is only like 2 paragraphs there that is quoted from the source, just to show that illmatic had a huge impact on hip hop, and i'm not the only one that thinks that, it's not only my opinion. and another paragraph that has quotes are all just things that came straight up from Nasir's mouth and were printed in the source.

all the people i quoted, those words came straight from their mouthes on Hot97

The amount of tracks premo did on jay-z albums... facts, straight from the albums, not from the source. Check it out yourself

and i've heard the muslim/religion jay-z songs, i just don't remember the names. Plus i think somebody that went to school wit jay-z and heard him rap for real all that stuff is a credible source

I think you'll have to listen to Stillmatic to compare Nas to Jay-z... since all you guys are hung up on recent stuff.


You want proof that Prodigy isn't from Queensbridge?? Here ya go:

"The cut's thematic outline is a proclamation that all the weak links from Queensbridge (Prodigy is actually from Lefrak City, Queens, but has become synonymous with the Queensbridge houses by shouting them out in his music) must be annihilated in order to make it great again."

this is straight from mtv.com, from a Nas article
and here's the link: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1451188/20011126/story.jhtml

that's why Nas says "you aint even from ma hood" talkin bout prodigy




Just take the L

Hey DVS!! Just incase you missed it, here are some audios from the Angie Martinez show, of her tellin Jay-Z he LOST to Nas.. hahahah

he sounds all sad, like he was stuttering and coughin.... haha
Nas is the unofficial King of NY
the New Yorkers have spoken!

got to www.thaformula.com It's on the home page, scroll down till you get to new tracks and you will see it!


he says he didn't mean any disrespect to Nas... LOL!!
and jay's mom called him and told him to apologize for the disses, hahaha

A. Martinez: if you were just another person what would you think of Nas's Ether?

Jay-Z: if i was a different person?? um.. i.. uh.. woulda just been like.... like WHOA!! like i woulda been like WHOA!!

really pathetic

Nothing??

DVS, takin the L ??

Originally posted by gang$tarr
Nothing??

DVS, takin the L ??

I told you I'm not wasting any more of my time with this topic.

Case closed!