ZO6 vs VR4?

Hi,

I was talking to my friend at school today and I told him how I love imports but my dream car is a brand new Corvette Z06.
Anyways, I was telling him that and he says his is a Mitsubishi 300GT VR4. I dont know much about these cars but arent they twin turbo?
Anyways who do you think would win in a straight up drag race?
I think both cars run 12's.
Thanks

Not sure.. I know you get a good driver driving the Z06 they can hit 11.9-12 flat.

Dont know much about the Mitsu

The Z06 all the way, the VR4 is a fast car but not as fast as the Z06. And yes the VR4 is twinn turbo. The way to spot a VR4 from a ordinary 3000GT is that the VR4 has a self adjusting rear spoiler, very cool if I have to say so myself lol.

Z06 would win.

yup yup ZO6s are damned fast although VR4s are nothing to sneeze at. I'll take one of each.

Z06 will kill a vr4, this is coming from a vr4 owner. the 2002 Z06 will demolish a vr4 were talking 12.4 vs 13.5 no comp. but were the comp is is a vr4 vs a stock c5 vette, and even then the vette is gonna pull him in at the end. don't get me wrong vr4's are blazing, but the Z06 is just way too much for it.

Z06 is way faster than VR4, as it is about 600lbs lighter, also 85bhp and 80lb-ft torque advantage.
The adjustable spoiler was dropped after the 96 mode.
I forgot the year they dropped the "silencer"

The only place the vr-4 can be competitive is POSSIBLY gas mileage... But I know the z06 gets DAMN good gas mileage.



Ah, got dammit. I guess I'll go find the facts to match my blabbing... quoted from carpoint.com...

98 vr4- 18/24
04 z06- 19/28


So ya.. the z06 beats the vr4 in that too. Wait a minute.. doesnt the 3000gt have some small seats in the back??

After the initial launch advantage of the VR4, the Z06 will quickly run it down and then walk away faster and faster. Considering the price tag and that its design is nearly a decade newer, it damn well better win. :p

on the times for the z06, where are you getting that 11.9 1/4 mile time? seriously... can someone give me proof of this online or something?

on the competition thing, yea i agree that the vr4 should be compared to the regular c5, but the c5 should still beat the vr4, but not kill it. but then again, the vr4 is a 10+ yr old designed car while the c5 came out around 97.

http://www.z06vette.com/quarter.php

granted some people have mods to hit 11.9 others did it in stock form, not to mention I've been to the track and seen a couple run :) dont believe all the magazines you read.

stock form they said my fiero hit 16.0 in the 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 8. I nailed a 15.1 with a crappy launch, might've snagged a 14.8 at best with it if I launched better.

Z06 would take the VR4 easy...not that the vr4 is lacking ;)

just that the Z06 is one beastly machine.

that is a bullshit time devil, nobody posting a .8 reaction time can get a 12.8, that would put the car directly at 12 seconds flat, which I doubt he has the ability to shift it like a professional.

I have however seen many stock z06s running VERY low 12s at the track here.

http://www.z06vette.com/quarter.php

granted some people have mods to hit 11.9 others did it in stock form, not to mention I've been to the track and seen a couple run :) dont believe all the magazines you read.

stock form they said my fiero hit 16.0 in the 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 8. I nailed a 15.1 with a crappy launch, might've snagged a 14.8 at best with it if I launched better.

and dont believe everything you see at the track, or online stuff, cause even if the person saids he's stock, you never know for sure. well known magazines are the best bet the car was tested completely stock, and was done in fair conditions with well averaged out times. unless that owner of the z06 is a very good friend(good friend as in you hang out with him, not just know him at a shop) of yours that you can trust, and you have seen his car on the dyno with stock hp numbers.

that is a bullshit time devil, nobody posting a .8 reaction time can get a 12.8, that would put the car directly at 12 seconds flat, which I doubt he has the ability to shift it like a professional.

what?
how would a .8 reaction time net you a 12.8, which is a 12 flat?

reaction time is the amount of time from the green light to when you trip the beams.
you can have a 5 minute reaction time, and still run a 12 second 1/4. the reaction time has nothing to do with your ET.

Some tracks measure 0 from .500 (perfect reaction), and some measure from 0.

In this case, showing .540 in one track might mean an almost perfect light, or about a half-second sleeping in another.

right, but your reaction time has nothing to do with your ET.
the only time reaction time comes into play is in heads up racing, where it's actual side by side, like NHRA style stuff...

when they tested the Z06 in motor trend or one of those mags, a professional race car driver who race corvettes all the time, ran a 12.4, before this they were running 12.6's in the 2002 Z06 in all the mags before this guy and all the sudden all the mags are saying 12.4
your talking to a mag freak, i know there is lots of you who are too but
i watched and seen and thats pretty much how it was. no stock Z06 should be running 11. anything, not saying its impossible to run a 12.3 or 12.2 but 11's after a well known race car driver of the Z06 ran a 12.4 and beat the 1/4mile time buy .2sec

Oh my god what the hell was I saying, for some reason I thought that said 11.8. Deleting...
What I was trying to go for was what Youngvr4 is saying, no way these guys are running 11.9 with a Z06 Vette, bone stock, even taking the spare tire out. A Viper ACR which has 460 hp, 500 lbs of torque, runs at its very best bone stock an 11.7-11.8. Explain how the Vette is doing .1 second above that with so much less power and torque. It ain't the weight difference either.

:iagree: even looking at the srt-10 viper it runs 11.7-11.8 with 500hp
Z06 shouldn't be running 11 anything

The Z06 would pull off the win, unless you are at a high altitude. Z06's are close to a second 1/4 mile time wise. They typically run a 12.6 sec. 1/4 mile w/ a decent driver. They have recorded a 12.4 sec. 1/4 mile before as well. Some guy on LS1.com has vids of him running a 12.1 sec. 1/4 mile (1.7 sec. 60' time). The VR4 typically runs high to mid 13's 1/4 mile wise. The 11 sec. Z06's you are hearing about I don't believe in. People always tend to lie about the mods on their cars.

Z06's are fast, VR4 probably has the luanch, but i think the Z06 gots it. those Z06s are pretty fast. it will all depend on the driver tho. i am more on the importside, so if i see this race happen, ill go for the VR4.

both=slower than me

Thats nice, but so what? Your car isn't the topic here.

I'll bet you those ones that were 'bone stock' were running Racing gas at 100+ octane and that's why they had those times. I think it might be possible if they did that and were at lower altitudes. The only reason i think this is because my friend Victor has a 2002 Focus SVT and he ran a 15.5 at Famoso raceway a couple of months ago just doing this. No mods. According to car and driver:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=6569&page_number=4

It should have only run a 15.9. Thats .4 off and within .1 of the .5 needed to shave the Z06 down to 11.9.

i see were your going with this, but in this sitiuation its diff. the Z06 has 405hp while the lamborghini mercielago and the srt-10 viper and the ZondaC12 all run a 11.8
the lambo has 571hp
the viper srt-10 has 500hp
and the ZondaC12s has 555bhp
and they all run 11.7-11.8
how is it then possible for the Z06 to run 11.8 with 405hp, bone stock untouched. its not like the car is really light it weighs 3200lbs.

Magic pixies carry the car to the finish line obviously.

12.4 I bet is all possible, 12.3 maybe with the really good drivers, but 11.9 in stock Z06's straight from the factory I will not believe unless I see it with my own eyes.

consider your power to weight ratios before you make quotes about how it has less power and shouldn't run that fast.

i'm not saying it should, but take a look at power to weight ,and then make your comparison.

I was lookin at the 60 foot times when I posted that.. yeah it seems obvious they wouldn't run that. What's really odd I clearly remember when the Z06 was introduced by chevy the said 12.0 1/4 mile 0-60 4.0 and that was on their site.

I agree power to weight ratio is a huge factor.. I'll be pushing just under 350 HP I believe? and should have enough to pull off mid 11's.

There are things called Factory 'freaks'... some cars are just faster than others from the factory even with the same options. And there are Factory 'lemons'.... cars that just don't perform for crap out of the factory.

Odd balls do happen once in a while. 11's stock is hard to believe but I wouldn't consider it impossible.

There are things called Factory 'freaks'... some cars are just faster than others from the factory even with the same options. And there are Factory 'lemons'.... cars that just don't perform for crap out of the factory.

Odd balls do happen once in a while. 11's stock is hard to believe but I wouldn't consider it impossible.

I've seen a few freaks out there, but its not so much as to knock off half a second in the quarter though. I'd put it in the likely hood of Chris Reeves playing superman again - not bloodly likely :p

1/2 a second wouldn't be all that bad.. I've seen GTP's that were said to do 15.5 do 14.5 :smokin: some people just live right owning freaks :grinno:

A stock Z06 in Md. ran off an 11.88 pass this year and was verified by witnesses. Even I doubted at first until I saw the timeslip and the owner of the strip signed it to verify it.

There are things called Factory 'freaks'... some cars are just faster than others from the factory even with the same options. And there are Factory 'lemons'.... cars that just don't perform for crap out of the factory.

Odd balls do happen once in a while. 11's stock is hard to believe but I wouldn't consider it impossible.

well in that case, ill say most z06s shouldnt be doin that stock. .5 seconds off is quite a lot though. how does this factory freak type thing happen anyways? is this a joke? is it because some of the parts just happen to be in better condition? if its true, then i hope i get a factory freak car, most likey wont happen, but i hope.

this is very tru.

the one i can think of is a stock civic ex running a 15.8 which would make it around 1/2 a second faster than its stock time should be.

ah, on topic the Z06 would beat a VR4, even tho both are very respectable.

Well, my friend who works for TRD. The last Cart motor he built won the race.

Originally, his motor was destined to be a backup motor. But he said when he was building it, everything fit together nicely. Not too tight, not too sloppy. All the piston rings fit in nicely... he said that he knew that the motor was going to run nicely.

When they put it on the dyno, I don't remember what it made but something like 25-40hp more than the race motor that was scheduled to be run in the car. So they crated the motor up and shipped it out to the race in Japan. And then swapped the motors, which then the car won the race.


That's a pretty extreme case, but that same concept applies to factory cars that you and I may own. Sometimes things go together just perfect. I guarantee that if you build two exact motors down to the nuts and bolts used. One motor will be better, no two motors will dyno the same. Just like finger prints.


EDIT: I had to think about it, but my friends Dad owned a factory freak. In 1995, he bought a brand new Camaro Z28. He test drove a crap load of Camaro's till he found one that he thought was considerably faster than the rest.

yea, i always thought about stuff like that. like if two cars were built exactly the same way, one of them would have to be slightly quicker, but for how much faster the vette got, i thought there was too much difference for it to be true. maybe its because the person didnt get much options, plus it was a factory freak that made it so much faster haha. but actually yea, i ve seen those cases where the car was a lot faster than it should of been.

yeah i also heard about the freaks :iceslolan actually i think my dads base model c5 vette is one like that it feels faster than the other ones i drove as in i can tell the difference, but when you get a race car driver who has been racing for ages and not a car mag racer a pro racer and he decreases the time down to 12.4 from 12.6 and then someone says one ran a 11.8 stock, i mean like i said he could have done anything to it that they wouldn't possibly be able to know, i guess its not impossible but i just don't believe it.

All you guys bickering will also have to consider that most magazines nowadays measure the car's "true" quarter-mile capabilities. Meaning, they usually use radar-equipment, and measure acceleration in a testing facility, or open stretch with level ground.

They're measuring the car FROM a complete stop, using street-tires, on regular asphalt.

On a strip, depending on how you stage, you can get a rolling-start, are racing on a prepped surface, and DR's don't make you "not stock".

So yeah, I believe stock Z06's are capable of high 11's, on the right strip, with the right driver, and the right conditions. Just as stock LS1 cars are capable of high 12's, within the criteria I specified above, stock.

Actually I have seen with my own two eyes Z06's that run 12.0s bone stock with the tires tehy come with, only with spare tire removed. I go to almost every race around here because my uncle races a methonal rail car. I have also seen a 427 lingenfelter TT run a 9.27 stock, well kinda since lingenfelter is an aftermarket part supplier. So it's possible but he would have to be in complete control of the car, and be the best driver in town.