WTF is a Lancia

I've never heard of such a car

where are the made and are they even offered in the US

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They're made in italy. They have some race heritige and have done pretty well in rally events in the past. I don't think they are imported to the states, but I don't think they wouldn't be street-legal by any means. They're pretty cool cars.
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/deltas4_2_200.jpg
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/stratosrally_200.jpg

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the bottom one looks pretty tite!!



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I had the sweetest pic of a 4 door lancia, i got to find it...

U must be an American..... :smoker2:

Anyways Lancia is a Great Italian Car from Italy, now owned by Fiat,, anyways Lancia has been building cars since 1906. and it has won more Rally title champion ship than any other Manufacuture in the World... *hint* check out a Car called Lancia Delta Integrala a great great car in its time still is a classic to me.

here is a usful site simple as well
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/lancia/

PS, The Lancia Stratos ,, the bottom Picture was made in 1970 :) u are not gona see that car anytime soon very very hard to find only 500 of them where ever made

So Lancia is now owned by Fiat?

Are there any other automobiles being produced under the Lancia name?

I know NOTHING about these cars . . . but the Stratos looks VERY familiar to me . . .

Ohh yes a lot of cars are made by Lancia ,, in production at the moment is the new Lancia Delta ,, the older version was REALLY powerful won a lot of champoionship in rallys the new ones are made kinda soft and for modren driving ...

http://www.lancia.com/

lists for you the new and old models :)

I don't know what your talking about but Lancia stopped making the Delta in 1995.

I may seem dumb, but are they still around??? If so, how well are they doing.

Lancia is still around and they sell fairly well in Italy. They are part of the Fiat empire, which also includes Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, and Maserati (as well as Autobianchi).

Lancia recently (like two years ago) was commissioned by the Vatican to supply the Pope with his newest limousine...a pretty car based on a prior concept car.

I remember that pope-mobile. Gotta love the stratos, though.

Lancia is a very old and well established motor company, now part of the FIAT group. It has great racing heritage, both in Formula 1, and the World Rallying Championship. It is not as prestigious as it once was, but still sells well in mainland Europe, especially Italy, France, and Germany.

Lancia is the most successful rallying company ever, with a range of superb rallying cars to its name. Among them are the Stratos, which you've already seen, and the Delta HF Integrale, the most successful rally car of all time. The Delta won the World Rallying Championship 6 years in a row, nothing could touch it. In road form, it was just as inspiring. Wide and aggressive, it looked like it was on steroids. With a turbocharged, intercooled, 2 litre 4 cyl. engine, it went as hard as it looked. The engine developed 215bhp, enough to send this little rocket to 60 in 5.5 secs, and up to a top speed of 137mph. With 4WD, roadholding is superb, and the steering feedback is amazing, unlike any other. On a twisty road, nothing can touch it. 911, 355, you name it. They all succomb to this legend. I have attached a pic of the Integrale in its final evolution, the Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione. Not many of these road cars were built, and Limited Editions have retained their value well.

Lancia built another truly superb car, the Hyena, on the Delta platform. This car developed even more power (250bhp) and needless to say, also went like stink! I can't seem to attach more than one pic (if that at all) so i'll post a few sites where you can check out these awesome cars. Look out for the Hyena on
www.grale.net

and the different versions of the Evo including the Limited Editions (watch out for Giallos and Lagos Blu's, priceless!!)
http://www.infonex.com/~mark/lancia/delta/delta-faq.html.
http://digilander.iol.it/hfalex/evostradale.htm
http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/Lancia/Integrale1.html

Lancia's weren't offered for sale in the States. Boy did you guys miss out! ;-)

I have a british book from the 80's, I will have to check for this Lancia. It sounds awesome, like a WRX from the past. And if you've seen some of my posts, I LOVE the WRX!
It sounds like you've driven one, if you have, please tell more:)

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Lancia's weren't offered for sale in the States. Boy did you guys miss out! ;-)

Lancia's WERE officially offered for sale in the US for years. Max Hoffman introduced Lancias to the US in the late 1950s or early 1960s. They finally withdrew from this market in 1982. Their final products in the US were the Beta (coupe, HPE, and Zagato) and Gamma.

I guess that's pretty accurate, the Integrale is basically the WRX's predecessor, the godfather of them all! Although many 'grale owners wouldn't be too pleased with the comparison, as they see the Lancia as being much more exclusive, prestigious, and generally more of a classy car. There's generally a feeling of dislike between owners of the 2. It doesn't stretch to that for me, but there is no doubt I would pick the lowliest of Integrales over the best/quickest Impreza/Mitsu Evo. :D
But hey thats just my opinion!

I have only had the pleasure of driving an Integrale once. It was a '92 Madras Blue EVO1 which was in mint condition. I only had the privilege of driving it for about 15-20 mins but I remember it as one helluva car. A friend of a friend has a red EVO2. We were cruising in the car when he suddenly put the hammer down and drove flat out in 2nd through a fairly tight roundabout and the thing just stuck to the road. Needless to say I shat myself! The exhaust sound was pretty nice, too.
I'm saving up for a Limited Edition Giallo EVO2, they are something else, though there are rumours that they are cursed! :D LOL

If you're still interested in the car I can put up more links to sites and articles if you'd like :)

Cheers
jay

PS. your 80's book will not show the Integrale in its final (and best) form as the Evoluzione

The book I have has an S4 in it. It is the only regular production car to have both supercharging and turbocharging (the blower at low rpm's, the turbo at high rpms).
It made 250hp, and is based on the rally car. AWD helps to get a 6 second 0-60, and go 140mph. Kinda neat, IMO

Yeah it's got to be said the S4 is a pretty scary, brutish looking thing, as were most Group B rally cars. It's supposed to be a hell of a drive, too. Do you follow the WRC, do you know/have an interest in all this stuff?

I have an S4 article i'll scan and post up when i'm a little less busy with work, it compares it to a Peugeot 205 Group B rally car, pretty interesting. I just tried to attach a pdf file about an integrale but it wouldnt let me :( , not a valid file type.
I'm trying to find a few links to a few Integrale & S4 sites that I have somewhere, they should be up fairly soon.

cheers
jay

Originally posted by Hudson
Lancia's WERE officially offered for sale in the US for years. Max Hoffman introduced Lancias to the US in the late 1950s or early 1960s. They finally withdrew from this market in 1982. Their final products in the US were the Beta (coupe, HPE, and Zagato) and Gamma.

it's a shame you didnt get the Integrale's though as far as i know hatchbacks dont have such a huge market in the states. Its also a shame that there aren't many (any? correct me if im wrong) Alfa Romeo's, Lancia's or FIAT's there either. They make some pretty stylish cars.

cheers
jay

We had all of those once, but not anymore. Too bad, as they got crappy in the 70's, but are getting good again.

Yes, I have an interest in rally. When I get a car, I plan to join a rally club near me. Whenever possible I watch it on speedvision. I am also on the SWRT mailing list, aswell as the WRC mailing list, so I know a bit about whats going on. I think rally is the best form of motorsport out there:)

yeah, rally is pretty cool, though i have to say i prefer F1.
Still, they're both amazing, i'll watch either!
Go McRae! The guy kicks ass!

cheers
jay

A McRae man, eh? I like Burns, but next year McRae will be driving for Subbie, then I can cheer for him:cool:

i dont really like burns, im afraid.. the guy whinges too much!! McRae is a man, burnsy a boy! :D
i have a cool interview with both of 'em, ill post it up... it shows McRae as a funny guy and RB as somewhat of an arrogant jerk.

cheers
jay

Hi, Britts :)

Right now I'm cheering for Burns, but next year, when Markko Martin is going to Ford, I guess I'll be cheering for Colin (and Markko) :)

The integrale is incredible. I actually see some frequently. The take part in the local hill climb championship. Needless to say that they look really good.

One guy with a Black Integrale evoluzione even managed to get a time 4 seconds quicker than both a Mitsubishi Lanevo6 and a Impreza WRX Sti in one race. Integrales handle better than both of those cars which give a nice advantage if you have equal power.



http://spazioweb.inwind.it/lanciadelta/images/visitatori/massimilianog/delta1.jpg

http://spazioweb.inwind.it/lanciadelta/images/visitatori/fabriziom/delta2.jpg

332hp at the wheels. :D

CIN

CIN>
another 'grale man! cool! where abouts are ya?

cheers
jay

ALES>
so what is it that determines who you cheer for??

cheers
jay

In case some of you have never seen one, this is another great Lancia rally car, the 037.
Is this an awesome car or what???

cheers
jay

nice shot of it in action..

... and the road version:

side shot

and finally rear view...
i "borrowed" these from a nice-looking site, i hope the owner will forgive me..
go check it out, its definitely worth a look..
cheers
jay

That is one nice car!!
Next year, McRae is going to be for Subaru! Now all Subaru needs is some mechanical luck, and they have a very good shot at winning.

PS, crazyjay, do you have "Bernievision", the $500 satelite with $50 pay-per-view F1 races??

here are a couple of pics of the S4.....

awesome in yellow.......

or should that b awesome in red.....

ze engine...........:)

oops tryin again ze engine.....:)

I've got pics of this beast in every colour produced (including Limited Editions, I'll post them up tomorrow so people can see their favourite look (sorry i can't do it now.... so sleeeeepy!!) :)

cheers
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay
ALES>
so what is it that determines who you cheer for??

cheers
jay

The team that Markko Martin represents :):):) Look at where I'm from ;)

Now I'm a bit confused. Care to discuss the 2002 lineup in the Rallying forum? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f554/

Originally posted by crayzayjay
CIN>
another 'grale man! cool! where abouts are ya?

cheers
jay

See the flag m8 ;)

I am actually considering buying one of those monsters soon. Problem is trying to find a good EVO 2 cat.

PS. Today I saw one of the white integrales(it was a Martini version) which take part in the hillclimbs. :)

PPS. Intergrales look much better in person than on the photos!!!\

CIN

PS, crazyjay, do you have "Bernievision", the $500 satelite with $50 pay-per-view F1 races??

Nope, we get all live F1 races for free (except one, i think). Is that the only way you can watch F1 in the States? You pay that much????:eek:

cheers
jay

Problem is trying to find a good EVO 2 cat.

Tell me about it. I'm looking for a '94, '95 Giallo. It's not easy.
Good luck with your hunt. No matter how long it takes, it will be worth the wait.

cheers
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay


it's a shame you didnt get the Integrale's though as far as i know hatchbacks dont have such a huge market in the states. Its also a shame that there aren't many (any? correct me if im wrong) Alfa Romeo's, Lancia's or FIAT's there either. They make some pretty stylish cars.

cheers
jay

Lancia was sold in the US until 1981/82. Fiat was sold here until 1987 even though the badge was last seen in 1982 (the Spider carried on as the Pininfarina Azzura and the X1/9 continued as the Bertone X1/9). Alfa Romeo was sold here until 1995, when the Spider and 164 were pulled from the market. Alfa Romeo's coming back in 2005/6.

So Alfa pulled out just before releasing the new spider? Tough break! That car is beautiful.

Do any car freaks import these kind of Italian cars? (i.e. have you seen any new ones around in the States?)

cheers
jay

Nope, we get all live F1 races for free (except one, i think). Is that the only way you can watch F1 in the States? You pay that much????

Over here, we have speedvision, so we can get all of the races for free. THis Bernievision is only available in Europe, and you can choose what camera angles and all kinds of other stuff you want to watch.

Camera angles eh?? sounds cool.. Shame it's so darn expensive :(

cheers
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay
So Alfa pulled out just before releasing the new spider? Tough break! That car is beautiful.

Do any car freaks import these kind of Italian cars? (i.e. have you seen any new ones around in the States?)

cheers
jay

Importing individual vehicles into the US is very difficult, but somewhat easier than it was. Bringing a Spider into the States would be quite expensive. I'm sure that Fiat (and/or GM) has brought in one or two for short time frames, but I don't think there are many (if any) privately owned late-model Spiders in the US.

How much is a nice used Delta or RAGT worth anyways?

I think that a driver who doesn't get enough respect is Carlos Sainz, backup driver for McRae on the Ford team. He's a very good driver, but all too often he's ordered to ease off the pace when he's fastest, because McRae is their star pilot. Sneer.:mad:

Speedvision rules!

a nice used integrale evo is approx £10k over here i would say but you have to be real careful as there are a lot of dogs about.. the market for cars is really depressed now so prices are pretty low.. i should expect them to bounce back sometime in the future. if you buy a good evo you will not lose money if you choose to resell... the car has almost reached icon status already and the good ones will continue to swap hands at good prices. some people buy them and dont run them so as to sell in many years time at huge profit. supposedly unregistered models (0 mileage) are advertised for £20k+. limited editions fetch around £15k.... there are so many on sale in italy but theyve all been clocked (apparently). buying an integrale is not easy. theres little choice and you can really lose a lot of $$$$ if you buy the wrong one.

hope this hasnt put you off, as if you find a good one, which is possible, you will be in possession of one the most bewitching cars in motoring nirvana (quoting top gear journo!)

cheers
jay

For any other confused Americans wandering onto this board....

Lancia was not always about insane rally cars, at one point they were the number one luxury manufacturer in the world. Pre-1970 the objective of the company was to build a flawless automobile, a car that was beautiful, luxurious, enjoyable to drive and would never break down.....they failed however, and went bankrupt. In 1969 the company was bought out by Fiat, and from there the quality went out the window. Fiat still tried to maintain a luxury image for Lancia, with more of an emphasis on performance....a good enough concept but horrible execution. I'm not sure how these cars did overseas, but in the United States, they were some of the worst automobiles to hit the shores. They were plagued by mechanical problems, and were expensive to fix....as if that wasn't enough they also rusted like most Italian cars of this period. The last models sold here were the Beta, Scorpion and Zagato. Beta came in coupe (nice), sedan and 2 door station wagon. These models are almost impossible to find in the United States these days....I've personally never seen the wagon.

http://www.open.org/~scottnet/images/overall.jpg

The Scorpion was a mid-engined car and probably the worst of the bunch, it was called the Monte Carlo in other parts of the world....these are a very rare sighting on American roads as well.

http://www.capmwoody.com/Automobili/BostonBlue/BlueGray.JPG

The most common Lancia you'll see in the US is the Beta Zagato, which is basically a Beta with a strange but cool half-targa, half-convertible top. For some reason these things have stuck around with enthusiasts, if you hang out with Italian car people enough you're likely to see them.

http://www.lanciaklub.dk/images/Zagato-Beta.jpg

In 1982 Lancia pulled out of the US market for good, never to return. They are still around, owned by Fiat. I don't believe they sell cars outside of Italy anymore, I read recently that they have stopped importing to the UK. They have more or less gone back to their 'luxury' role, although I don't know about the quality of the new cars. It's doubtful we'll ever see these cars sold in the US again, but you never know....time heals all wounds! Alfa-Romeo will also be back in the states (in one form or another...possibly as Chevrolets) soon.

Lancia sell all over Europe with the exception of the UK.
The thought of an Alfa with a Chevrolet badge makes me sick, really really sick
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cheers, jay

jay - If you lived in America and had to deal with all our boring cars, you would be pleased to see Alfa-Romeo return in any form, even if it's a Daewoo. We're only starting to get kind of interesting cars nowadays...imagine that it was hard to find a car without an automatic transmission!! We have no Alfa-Romeo, no Fiat, no Peugeot, no Renault, no Opel/Vauxhall, no Citroen, etc.....the only Lotus car legally sold is the Esprit and they're very uncommon. Even the 'cool' cars we do get like the Subaru WRX and Honda Civic Si are watered down versions of their european counterparts.

I don't recall Lancia EVER being the "number one luxury manufacturer in the world."

As for Alfa Romeo coming to the US: it was never considered for any badge other than Alfa Romeo. Alfa Romeo's coming in 2005...or so, depending on when they get the cars in production.

Lancia is offered in all of Europe except for the UK, because they no longer make right-hand drive models.

Alfa Romeo will launch in the US when the new Spider/GTV will be ready. There are rumors stating that the car will be 4WD or RWD with an option for a 4liter 400BHP V8. :eek:

I don't where these rumors come from, but the mainstream Alfa Romeo products (the GTV/Spider, 167, 157, etc) will most likely be front-wheel drive (or all-wheel drive) and V6 powered. Alfa Romeo is showing a concept car at Geneva this week that uses the new Maserati's chassis (RWD and 4.2L V8 power), but that would only be used on a high-end Alfa Romeo model, separate from the GTV/Spider, et al.

Thats what I read anyway and AFAIK the GTV has always been Alfas Top car. Currently it has an old 3liter V6. Not a small engine by European standards. The Ferrari F360 has a 3.6liter V8 so in terms of CC they are not that far off. ;)

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/CIN_X/newnews/media/1-4221.jpeg

"The paint is barely dry and company bosses have yet to come up with a name for it, but this sensational four-seater Alfa Romeo will be the talk of next week's Geneva Motor Show.
Finished in stunning red, it's the work of Italian styling house Giugiaro and is roughly the same size as Alfa's GTV. Styling cues have been taken from the car maker's range past and present, with elements of the 156, 147 and even the 166 easy to see.

The innovations include the doors, which open upwards once you have pushed and turned a handle that fits flush to the bodywork. Courtesy of some clever hinges, the doors swing up and away from the car. There's also a light-sensitive sunroof which darkens to regulate brightness in the interior.

Built entirely from carbon fibre and aluminium, race car technology will ensure this Alfa provides an outstanding driving experience – if it ever goes into production. Powered by a mid-mounted 4.0-litre V8 engine producing at least 400bhp, the concept is expected to be capable of sprinting from 0-60mph in less than five seconds. Its top speed could be in excess of 165mph. Power is fed to the rear wheels through a six-speed sequential gearbox positioned on the rear axle to improve weight distribution. Michelin run-flat tyres also feature as part of a comprehensive safety package.

As with many of Giugiaro's prototypes, this machine is no flight of fancy. Following on from the Maserati Buran and Volkswagen W12 concepts, the car is built to be completely road legal."

Im not a huge fan of that Alfa concept's looks personally and if it has 400bhp the 165mph top speed is not that impressive. still, i love alfa and the car market in the states will be all the better with their entry


Hudson>
Lancia may not have been THE number one luxury car maker but it was certainly at the head of the pack, Lancia made some great cars over its history and hopefully will reproduce some of its old scintillating form


cheers,
jay

I've always liked Lancia...almost bought a few of them. But they were not in the same class with real luxury cars at any time in their history. Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, Packard, Rolls-Royce, and even some of the smaller American brands were in much higher regard when it came to luxury cars.

Lancia had some impressive technology for its day introducing, among other things, the unibody concept to production cars. But to say they were "at the head of the pack" would be stretching things a bit.