turbo

i have a 93 celica gt. i want to increase my hp and make it as fast as i can w/o goin overbored w/ money. ive been told to put in new exhaust and cool intake and mill the cams but i was wondering about turbo and what it exactly does any help would b great. thanks nick

A turbocharger uses exhaust energy to force more air into the engine.

If you want to make your 5S-FE faster, look on the MR2 board. Those guys can descent power from it.

Search the 'net for "MR2 Owners Board"
It's a rather large board, you'll know when you find it.

Definatly check out that MR2 Board, some of those guys are power crazy on their 5SFE's.

I have a 93 GT and my friend they arent slow cars. They have incredible acceleration (gotta love that 145 ft/lb of torque). If you do go turbo, I would suggest just putting on a small turbo like a t2. Ive taken my celica up to 120 mph easily, all you really need is a little more low end horsepower to make your car a real competitor.

Thanks for all hte help am i going to be able to interchange all mr2 engine parts w/ my celica? how much will a small turbo kit increase my hp and what am i lookin at time wise for a 1/4 mile thanks

no problem. the MR2 uses the same 5S-FE as you've got, so yes, most will fit! :P

A small turbo will increase power by 50 hp atleast. It all depends in what you get, and how you're going to control it. You're stock ECU, cannot control the additional fuel, and timing changes, that a turbo would bring. .

Thanks again for all the help. with a small turbo what am i looking at price wise.

that's the thing, you'll need a complete "kit"

even with all the turbo parts in place; you'll still need electronic control. Your ECU isn't programmed to suit a turbo.

Perform a search on the MR2 board ( http://www.board.mr2faq.com )
or just look throughout their archives. You'll see plenty of info on how to turbo a 5S-FE. :)

I'm no expert in turbocharging , normally NA engines. So, I can only point you in some direction.

Good Luck

Honestly the 5SFE is a great engine, but due to its lack of a aftermarket. It might be better for u to swap in a 2nd gen 3SGTE. I hv a 5SFE in my 90 GTS. I hv CAI, FUll exhaust, Nology Plugs, NGK performance wires and lightened flywheel. All of these mods make me faster but truly the 3SGTE will really put us where we need to be. The turbo kit for the 5SFE is reliable, but rather expensive. The 3SGTE swap can get u any hp amount u desire, honestly with that enigin in your car, not many things can touch u, especially when its modded. I hv found a 2nd gen 3SGTE for $1550 and a place to install it for $2000. The turbo kit alone on the 5SFE is $2500 and still does not include an intercooler. I am not saying that the 5SFE is a bad engine, its just the 3SGTE is actually a performance engine and the 5SFE is not.
The "G" in 3SGTE means peroformance
The "F" in 5SFE means economy

If you're going to swap an engine in, get an entire clip. That way you can re-coup your losses by selling some ot the other gear you don't need.

Plus, IF you swap a 3S-GTE in, you'll need things you may not have gotten with just the enigne. ECU and harness comes to mind. A few sensors, etc...

Don't forget if you get an engine different that the one you have, you'll need something (ECU) to control the fuel and timing! IF you get a clip, make sure you get one with an un-cut harness.

Try http://www.jarcoinc.com they resently had a 3S-GTE out of a CS/RC. ECU and all.

I feel the same as 90CelicaGTS. You cannot make something fast if it sucks.. no disrespect intended. ;)

hey all anyone got a 2000+ celica turbo charged?

http://www.sdsefi.com/features/mar03celica.htm

there you go ^^^

The above link is the new Celica, w/ 3S-GTE swap. Something to look at though.. Nice work.

CHris

naw if u want real power get the 3rd gen... 45 extra hp compared to usd and 20 more hp than jdm 2nd gen 3S-GTE... a lot of times turboing a 5S-FE is not worth it... there is a higher chance of it breaking... theres a reason y turbos are 2L n n/a's are 2.2L :smile:

and also if you don't kno wut a turbo does, then you probably dont kno much about them so a tip: when youre looking at kits online or n/e thing like that, when someone says 490hp+ dont believe it... you will only get that much hp if you have many other mods done to the car and also huge turbos like the T78 or T88 are not worth driving on the street because the spool is too slow for you to have any fun... they are only good if you drag..

finally, how much is overboard?

In some people opinion, 20HP isn't enough to justify the markup on a 3rd gen 3S-GTE.

But, you do get a real nice turbo in the CT-20B. That would be my reason for getting the third gen. Unless you were going to go for over 400WHP. But under that you can't beat the CT-20B. And if under ~320WHP is your goal, the CT-26 is just fine. Over 300WHP is a LOT of power for the street. Very quick spool with either CT turbo.

thanks for all of the help. im young and havnt hand much exerience w/ cars so sorry if i have a lot of stupid questions. price isnt the big issue when i meant going over board but i dont want to spend 10k if i do get an engine swap generally how long does it take? and if i dont go turbo what are some other things i cant do w/ my 5s? thanks nick

There have been plenty of people that turbocharge the 5S-FE, even though it's 2.2L.

I know 3S-GTE owners who have 2.2L stroker kits.

IF you do a 5S-FE turbo right, it'll be just fine. Over 500WHP. Look at Aaron Bunch's MR2 from ATS Racning (http://www.atsracing.net)

Look on the MR2 Owners Club Message Board (search for just that, any search engine) There is a nice amount of info if you look around. Another source, for 3S-GTE, are the gt4 lists on yahoo groups and http://www.alltrac.net

later. don't trust anyone, just educate yourself.

well if you go up to 500whp its easier to get the 3rd gen... because for the 5S-FE to withstand the preasure of a high powered turbo able to create 500whp you'll need to swap the head.. it is much easier to just buy the 3rd gen 3S-GTE engine...

Yes the reason why it has 245 hp is because of its Ct-20b turbo charger but after they changed the name to 3S-GTE toyota has made it into a racing engine there for every year has changes too it improving it as much as they can... a 1994 jdm 3S-GTE and a 1998 jdm 3S-GTE may produce the same power but there are many upgrades to the 1998

It's just as easy to hit 500WHP on a 2nd gen than a 3rd gen. The 3rd gen isn't that much better when you're putting $$$ into either of them.

Change the name on what? Toyota won lots and lots of world rally races before the CT-20b touched a 3S-GTE.

What kind of upgrades in the 98 compared to the 94? I'd love to know...

fwiw, most high powered 3S-GTE's I know, are 2nd gen. :D

I'm not knocking the 3rd gen, I just don't want the 2nd gen to look bad to the younger/uneducated audience.

hey man i am the younger croud unless you mean younger as in 12 n down... and there was a post from a while ago in the mr2 section but i cant find it :mad: ....

ill go research it later but i kno there were many mods done to it over the years....

I'm sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.

If I remember correctly, the 3rd gen 3SGTE didn't have any updates through the years (94-98)

If you can find info, I'd appreciate it.

Later :)

The 2nd gen 3SGTE is just as good as the 3rd gen. The 2nd gen is easier to find and cheaper. I am ready to get my 3SGTE and mod it. WHen I drop it in my car it will be great to feel the power, cause my GTS weighs like 600lbs less than a GT4 :naughty:

wait.. the second gen is just as good because its easier to find and its cheaper?? :eek7:

What major differences from 2nd gen to 3rd gen, None really. Maybe small things but not enough that I would spend another $grand$ or two to get one. The only 3SGTE I ever hear any problems with(and small problems I mean) are the 1st gen 3SGTE's due to the fact they were the first ones built and many new designs are added to the 2nd and 3rd gen. Really all of them are good and will provide u w/ plenty of power :grinno:

the big difference between the gen II and gen III would be the turbo and the larger injectors.

other than that, not much. slightly bigger cam on the intake side i believe.

better cylinder head design.

but none of these things are stopping people from making good power on the gen i or gen ii.

do you know what type of turbo would be best for the 5s-fe and pice wise would it just be better to do an engine swap?

price wise *

easier to do a swap

In ya'll honest opinions do you think the 3S-GE engine (though un able to support turbo) a worthy engine? I am in the process of researching the advantages of getting a custom crank and pistons to increase my compression up too 10.0:1 .. will that make much of a difference?

u need to do alot of reasearch, look on celica.net, and mr2oc.com they have a bunch of great stuff on turbo and the 3s swaps. i am collecting right now parts to turbo my 5s.