Acura Integra Engine Swap

Im looking to buy a 94+ acura integra. i dont kno much about them yet but i like the way they look/run. i was considering buying a GSR with a lot of miles on it for a cheaper price and doing a Type-R engine swap. is this a good idea? I was thinking about buying the GSR integra for around 5k then buying a Integra Type-R Complete Motor for $5500 is this a good price? also i was wondering if i should buy the Type-R or a spoon engine?
B16A ENGINE ASSEMBLY -- $5,880.00
B16B ENGINE ASSEMBLY -- $6,125.00
B18C ENGINE ASSEMBLY -- $6,370.00
these are the engines i've found and the prices...are these good prices? and which one would i want for a integra? thanks


please give me any tips or ideas for my integra project...thanks

if you are going to do an engine swap, why buy the GSR? just buy an RS (if you want power nothing), an LS, or a GS.

because the GSR has better interior correct?

the gsr is like the loaded version of the integra.....i would just buy a gsr and keep the b18c1 in it and build that up if you are looking for alot of power.........i was looking at the wholesale prices to build up my whole engine and i came up with around the price of about $4500 and with the whole turbo setup it would be $7500.......my car would be damn fast with all of that done to my engine

yeah but the only gsr's i can afford for right now have like 150k miles on them so im looking to do a engine swap after a while when i can afford it. i just want the gsr cus it has the nicer interior and power opitions. Can anyone tell me whats better the spoon engine or a Type-R?

if i were u id by the the cheapest 94 integra ls and get turbo or get a gsr engine in it, i got my b18c1 for 3200 and 500 instalation.

thanks for the replies.

H22 it :naughty:

H22?

Why not just buy the gsr and have the engine rebuilt with BETTER internals.... sleeved and lightweight rods/pistons. CHOOSE your compression ratio to suit your plans... no more than 9:1 if you plan on turbo, no more than 10:1 if you plan nitrous, and if you wanna be naturally aspirated go as high as your fuel system and block will handle. this will eliminate the need for a new ecu and wiring hassles, and im not up on my swaps too well but it eliminates the possibility of needing new engine mounts or other things. this will leave you with a better motor in the long run with 0 miles on it and it will be cheaper. our shop could do all that for probably less than $5,000... That's pulled, built, and reinstalled.... and you get to keep the gsr intake and cam profile. we even sell the parts cheap as they come. then if you plan turbo you just buy turbo cams and turbo it (FMIC, FMU, upgraded MAP, etc.) why spend money swapping motors when if you plan on building up the motor later you would have to then spend again to build it up? The GSR motor is a worthy motor to build up. So you would end up with a BUILT motor rather than a new STOCK motor. lets do some math... buy motor and swap $5,500+, then if you wanna build it up you gotta pay again, tack on another 5,000. so it takes more time before you end up with a built motor and you wind up paying over $10,000 before it ends up being something great. building the GSR up you only spend that $5000 once and it will be BUILT and never have to have your motor torn apart again to upgrade it (unless you blow it up)
Dustyn
Stemarmotorsports.com

H22 it :naughty:

riiiiiiiiight.

the forum i usually post at is down right now but some guy did a h22 swap into his 91 integra and it took SOOOOOOOOOO much custom work. i'd get the link, but, as stated earlier, the site is down. B series is the only practical swap for an integra.

h22 is the most overated motor put out by honda by far IMO.

why not jus buy an ls an turbo that?

it'd be a lot cheaper and u'd be into the 13's...

hey, korean, congrats on your new ride...when we gonna see the pics?

can any one explain compression ratios? please explain what the different numbers and such mean and what i would want to choose for a integra... thanks

get a newer ls(newest you can afford) then get a type-r engine and turbo that biotch!

get a newer ls(newest you can afford) then get a type-r engine and turbo that biotch!

right...because thats the best motor out by honda to turbo... :rolleyes:

turbo the ls motor if ur going FI, and save the time/money u'll spend on the blown b18c5.

same, pics should be up soon.

need to get off my lazy ass an actually wake up while the sun is up still :biggrin:

right...because thats the best motor out by honda to turbo... :rolleyes:

turbo the ls motor if ur going FI, and save the time/money u'll spend on the blown b18c5.

same, pics should be up soon.

need to get off my lazy ass an actually wake up while the sun is up still :biggrin:

Man itis like 11:30pm here LOL:biggrin:

Man itis like 11:30pm here LOL:biggrin:

haha...its only 8:30 here, but i woke up and went straight to work, and now im home.

yeah thats the plan... im just not sure if the type-r engine is the best one to buy.

right...because thats the best motor out by honda to turbo... :rolleyes:



damn, you got him first.

ok so..i should buy a cheap but newest acura integra LS i can get and swap the engine with a type-r and turbo it?

can any one give me a link or tell me the best turbo i would want for a integra type-r engine?

ok so..i should buy a cheap but newest acura integra LS i can get and swap the engine with a type-r and turbo it?

no.

if u want to go FI (forced induction IE: Turbo/Supercharged) then u'd want to jus keep the stock b18b1 motor found in the ls, and turbo that.

its by far a more ideal motor for turbo than the b18c5 (stock vs stock atleast).

Oh I see. why wouldnt i want to turbo a type-r engine?

alright you wouldnt want to turbo a type-R because the compretion ratio is already too high, it something like 11.1 or around there, and an LS is like 9.8, and a turbo increases the compression ration as it spools and fources more air in, so an LS would be more ideal, along withthe Transmission on an LS is perfect for turbos. but i dont know about how long that setup would last, i would just get a type-R swap and leave it at that

i had a friend with a turbo'd LS and it kick the shit out of a M5, type-R, and a cobra. but he blew the engine after six months, then overdid it and got a fully built b20 block and boosted like 23lbs. and blew the engine the same night he got it back. just make sure you geat some kind of big brake conversion cause your going to need to stop that beast.

Oh I see. So if the only LS integra i can get has a lot of miles on it should I put a new B18b1 in it and turbo that?

Also can some one tell me if a nitrous kit would be a good idea for a ls turbo integra?

I think KrNx has said before its ok to use nitrous in a type r(or was it GSR), if you just want that. You could do that, and turn your engine into a big pile of melted metal. :evillol: If the engine is built, then you can, other wise, somethings bound to give. Depending on what your using of course. An LSVTEC is what, like 165 to the wheels?, plus a turbo with intercooler, 270-280? Then another 60 shot. 340? Watch out.

Nitrous is also good for the Intercooler, and doesnt it reduce turbo lag?

k so could i put a turbo on a ls engine and put nitrous on that?

get the ls and turbo it

Look, before planning on LS/VTEC or Turbo or anything like that...try out an Integra LS and see what you think of the speed of the car. I know a few people who are satisfied with the stock Integra LS as is. IF it's not good enough...try out a GSR...I know alot of people who don't really wanna make the GSR any faster because they're happy with the speed.

No offense but I think you're biting off more than you can chew.

Before doing ANYTHING, read the engine-swap guide thingy on the Honda board around here.

You seem like you have really big plans for someone that seems lost (no offense).

they arnt so much plans im just looking at all the different opitions i have and trying to learn as much as posible about integras considering im just getting into them

If you get any Ls and leave the bottom end alone just throw a DOHC VTEC head on it and get some turbo cams and turbo it you should get mid to low 12's if you know what you are doing. The point of the ls being the prime candidate for a honda turbo car is the low compression ration in the bottom end.


And as for the compression ratio question.....


no more than 9:1 for turbo to keep detonation down
no more than around 10 or 11:1 for nitrous for the same reason
and something like 13:1 for naturally aspirated

if you are gonna build a NA motor sleeve it, get a steel head gasket and good rods and get the highest compression pistons you can get.

bottom line it would be cheapest and best to keep the original ls motor and have it built to your specs, drop the compression to 9:1, and sleeve it, arp studs and a steel head gasket, then put a vtec head on it, it really don't matter which. I would probably ust a gsr head but that adds confusion with trying to hook up the intake stuff. so for you i would use a b18c1 head (better flow). get some turbo cams from crower and trhow a misubishi small 16g turbo on it with a fmic, run 18-20 psi and you are well over 350hp, maybe 400hp. forget the nitrous you won't need it. get an apexi vafc an fmu and a upgraded map. tune and go. all this will come to less than you think and you end up with twice (or more) the power and good reliability. this will get you low 12's MAYBE high 11's.

but theres a problem with LS/VTECs...the bottem end was never meant to rev up to 8100 RPM that the VTEC head will take it to. YOU can just get a GSR motor, get an LS crank,rods, and pistons and you're LS/VTEC safe.

Honestly, just driving something with THIS stuff might satisfy you and your need for speed. :)

If I were you, I'd try to find an RS shell for around $700, buy a newer b18b1 with low miles (inlinefour.com has a '99 with about 40k miles for $2800), slap on a turbo kit at 12 psi for $3500 (maximum), add the standard bolt-ons, and you'd be PLENTY fast enough. Learn to install the stuff yourself. It will save you a buttload of money. Honestly though, the best advice I can give you is to do your own research and take what people say with a grain of salt. You seem to latch onto whatever idea someone throws out next. Find specs, find prices, and like someone said earlier, read the engine swapping guide at the top of the 92+ Civic forum (keeping in mind that at 2,529 lbs for the bare-bones RS, the Integra is heavier than most Civics). Make your opinons based on your own research and you'll be much better off.

yeah at this point in taking any ideas from just about any one because i dont know much myself yet thats why im asking around. im trying to learn as much as i can so when i get my integra it wont be so hard to decide what to do and what to get

I understand. It's just that some of the opinons on here aren't exactly reliable (that's not to say that mine always are, but some people just post for the heck of it, even if they don't know what they're talking about). Try team-integra.net, clubintegra.com, and edmunds.com for some more info.

Yeah i've been on team-integra.com thats a good site lots of information. Very true tho i've noticed some people dont make any sense and just post because they want to. Gets annoying like at first on this thread some one told me to get a type-r engine and turbo it then some one explained that it would be blown in seconds. So as of right now im just trying to figure out what set-up would be best for me.

You're doing the smart thing right now Integra4300, but as I said before...TRY OUT an Integra LS and see just how you like the speed. And also try out a GSR...it'll make your thinking easier, trust me ;)

well how am i going to tryout a GSR and a LS with out buying them? I like the idea of a LS and putting turbo and all that on it. or all motor type-r sounds great. im having a hard time deciding on which one exactly

I am some what in your situation. I bought a 94 ls with 104k on it for little over 3k. I know have 130k on it. I did a valve job this summer. I am going to rebuild the engine this summer. Also run a turbo kit on it.
I am hoping that will keep me satisfied for now. Considering I have another project car going as well right now. I hoping this combo will work well and keep the car a daily driver.
KCP

nice...thats what im looking for a ls for cheap then bulid it up. whats your other project car?

as someone said before putting Ls rods cranks and pistons into a b18c1 engine would be the same as if u took your b18 and put a b18c1 head on .... do u know anyone thats done this or dynos ....whats was the results......like hp and tourqe

I'd like to see that dyno too. I've heard that the higher compression creates a good amount of HP. But I know its not really that big a deal. Does anyone know what the typical increase HP wise would be on a 4 cylinder, for each PSI added by the piston?

well how am i going to tryout a GSR and a LS with out buying them?


Go to the nearest Honda/Acura dealer, they're sure to have a used LS as well as a used GSR, and ask for a test drive. Sometimes other car dealers, like Mitsu dealers and Mazda dealers have Hondas/Acuras so keep your eyes open for Integras at dealers otehr than Honda/Acura dealers. :)

Agian, good luck.

um but is it a good idea to find out if i like the speed of a ls when test driving one from the dealer?

Make them really think you're interested. A lot of these salesman are desperate. They will do anything(not anything.... :grinno: sickos) to sell the car, maybe even to the point of you takin it to 7000 rpm or so. Everyone likes the sound of that. Or you could even ask them to drive it so you can see what its got. You're the customer, they need you, take advantage of it.

Or find a youg cool guy that works there...they understand. My bro went to test drive an EVO 8, and the guy said "we'll go have lunch, so you can drive alot...I just wanna get outta here" :lol:

The advice in the later parts of the post is by far the best. A Type-R motor = more money to turbo since you actually have to lower the compression. I have a 95 Gs-R that I plan on putting a turbo on in the near future but that is up to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that I dont have for it :(. I didnt know anything about cars a few years ago but now its easy. Just read and ask questoin like you are doing now.

LoL very good ideas i'll have to go test drive one as soon as i have time.

Sorry, a little off topic, but I was talking to some girls who'd been to a dealership. They said they'd test drove a Type R and we'r seriously thinking about buying it. I was impressed and asked them some stuff, then they said it was automatic. I looked into it and it was just an LS with those $5 R emblems from APC and a little side decal. Very dissapointed. Some of these dealerships aren't that smart, the girls said they were told it was a Type R(maybe that is smart, because they thought it was...)

Wow i would be pissed if some thing like that happened to me. but good thing im just looking to buy a ls and turbo it.

my two best friend's just opened a shop in my town, i work there in the afternoons when im not at work or at school(college). next summer iam am going to get a gsr block from them, from their company on consignment and work to pay for it. since i get awesome deals on parts im going to build up the block outside of the car. im planning on rebuilding most of the block using crower and skunk 2. i am planning on getting a 9.0-9.2 compression ratio. i will then send the head that they have in tyheir shop off to get built by their machinist. then next x-mas i plan on running a turbo on my car with around 10-12 boost to start off until i mess with it a little more and hope to run 14-16 lbs. soon afterward i will start saving for the aem ems system and my friends will have their dyno by then and i will be bale to then get the most out of my mods. im not saying that any of this is the right way to go because everyone has their own preferences, but this is the way im going.

Make them really think you're interested. A lot of these salesman are desperate. They will do anything(not anything.... :grinno: sickos) to sell the car, maybe even to the point of you takin it to 7000 rpm or so. Everyone likes the sound of that. Or you could even ask them to drive it so you can see what its got. You're the customer, they need you, take advantage of it.

I agree. When it comes to performance cars, most dealers don't mind pushing the car a bit to demonstrate to the consumer the car's full potential. Dealers know that a performance car is meant to be driven aggressively, so taking it for a nice 35-mph stroll isn't going to convince the consumer of the car's performance capabilities. When my dad went to a Honda dealership recently to look at an S2000, the dealer definitely didn't baby that thing; he got it up to about 100 mph, 7500 rpms, and was slinging it around corners like nobody's business. And this was an old guy, too. Point being: most dealers won't mind if you take an LS or GSR for a "spirited" ride. If they do, they must not want your business.

good points indeed. a little off topic i just got done taking out my moms oil pan. i went driving last night and i was going 70 up a really sharp hill and the front end hit the ground really hard :-( gotta go get a new oil pan tomarrow from the dealer it might be 70 bucks.

intgra 4200whats your other project car?
Its a 1990 Turbo Grand Prix. Redoing the whole top end, turbo, IC, and such.
KCP

oh nice got any pics for us?

Hopefully in the week or two I will.. My dig cam took a shiet. I have to go but a new one as soon as I get some pics I will post...
KCP