prelude vs mustang

what do you guys think will win a 99 mustang v6 or a 92 prelude vtec both stock manuals.

Uh, the Lude would smoke the poor pony I must say reluctantly.

lude

What about the prelude being an SI instead of vtec.

if an SI then teh stang but a vtec lude would win.

what do you guys think will win a 99 mustang v6 or a 92 prelude vtec both stock manuals.

In a full quartermile race, the prelude's top end will beat out the v6 mustang. However, in daily stop light to stop light driving, the prelude's I-4 will bog down in comparison to the mustang's v-6.

yo ace, whats the diff between an si and a vtec?

vtec 200hp si 160hp

give me more besides the vtec has vtec heads. same engine otherwise? what do yo uget with an si?

SI is h23 motor its a 2.3 liter non vtec umm like 160 while the Vtec lude had the H22 a 2.2 liter vtec motor made 200-220 (depends on year one we speak of 200) there pretty close as far as anything other then that. The motors are real close i'll dig for some more info cause i'm not 100% sure my self.

Didnt the vtech have like some variable valve timing stuff? Maybe that helped alittle bit w/ horsepower????

variable valve timing and vtec is a little different, but in the same direction. vtec is sort of having two cams in one, like an on and off switch that kicks in at a certain rpm. imagine having a tame cam and an aggresive one over the same valve head that would swap back and forth depending in your need at the moment. it definatly helps out in the hp department.

I wouldn't think it too tall a tale for a VTEC Prelude with minimal options being able to put away a fully loaded 5.0 from the late 80s or early 90s. Put a few hundred in mods to each and the Mustang would quite easily triumph. As for the v6, I think your best bet is to perform a small block swap if you plan on beating much anything.

I would go with the Mustang. The race would be more about driver skill than car ability, and with the extra torque of the mustang's v6, I think it would be easier to drive quicker. According to www.car-stats.com, the lude does 0-60 in 6.7 while the mustang does it in 7.1, and the quarter is 15.3 vs. 15.6.

Speaking from experience...I have no issue with a v6 stang. Then again I dont have a stock prelude motor. Even the first year 5.0 is not an issue..... :sunglasse

a riced out prelude was playin with me today....We stoped at the stoplight and the GN decided it was hungry for rice. we where sittin at the stop light and he purged nitrous :rofl: . He did not do to bad I ran the car about 140' past the and I could still read his plates in the rearview mirror....kinda

No offence to anyone but, why the hell would anyone want a V6 stang, i say that a V6 stang loses all the idea of being a Stang (I hope you understand me) here in kuwait there isnt even one V6 Stang or a V6 Camaro, which i think is right. I say, wanna Mustang get a V8 cause thats the point of it, want an economy get a civic.

yo, the original mustang was a v6. I got nothing but love for my v6 bretheren - except that 12second guy.

yo, the original mustang was a v6. I got nothing but love for my v6 bretheren - except that 12second guy.

As we all know, everyone has his own opinion.

im sry guys but the lude would eat a v6 for lunch...my brother has a 2000 prelude sh with greddy catbac exhaust and aem cold air intake{to very minor mods} and he eats new v8 mustangs alive...now with a new header/short shifter they have no chance what so ever

im sry guys but the lude would eat a v6 for lunch...my brother has a 2000 prelude sh with greddy catbac exhaust and aem cold air intake{to very minor mods} and he eats new v8 mustangs alive...now with a new header/short shifter they have no chance what so ever


I'm sorry, but posts like this are no help to anyone. Your brother is either trying to impress you, or is delusional. A new V8 mustang will run 13s with a good driver (I know, I've done it, and I have friends that have)--your Prelude will be lucky to find 14s with those mods (only those mods). I don't mean to be rude, but please rethink such an idiotic post before making it.


Jon

By the way, if you really want to argue this, gather some facts first, like both cars' horsepower:weight ratio, and gearing/torque.

I think the original Mustang was a 'straight' six.

(Cool none the less 'cause of what it started).

But give me a V-8! :biggrin:

well home boy i was their on 2 occasions so its not him impressing me we let of the gas at abotu 150 and he was way the hell back their in one case, the other one the basterd sucked at diving and had a t fat asschick shot gun...and lucky to find 14's??? stock an sh model hits high 14's and that isnt any help on the top end...

I think the original Mustang was a 'straight' six.

(Cool none the less 'cause of what it started).

But give me a V-8! :biggrin:

my bad - but you knew what i was going for.

well home boy i was their on 2 occasions so its not him impressing me we let of the gas at abotu 150 and he was way the hell back their in one case, the other one the basterd sucked at diving and had a t fat asschick shot gun...and lucky to find 14's??? stock an sh model hits high 14's and that isnt any help on the top end...


:rolleyes: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight Hits High 14's so in reality it's about a mid 15 sec car :lol:

:rolleyes: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight Hits High 14's so in reality it's about a mid 15 sec car :lol:


:nutkick: :werd:


Jon

A stock Prelude wouldn't hit a high fourteen second quarter if you shot it out of a cannon. Even the new S2000 typically doesn't go deep into the fourteen second range stock, and power to weight on that car is waaaaaay better than a Prelude.

And, as an FYI, one of the Mustang magazines took a bone stock 99-up V-6 Mustang and got it to run right under 15 flat in the quarter without adding anything. (Please note, they did REMOVE some things. ;) ) If anyone else here remembers this article chime in. I cannot remember who did it, but I will research it and try to find out.

I do remember nearly passing out at the thought of a V-6 Mustang breaking the 15 second barrier no matter what you did to it. Not long after that I took a manual six Mustang for a spin and honestly, if it didn't sound like a Hoover sucking down a box of ball bearings.....I thought the car was really under rated. A lot more ooomph than I expected. You aren't gonna sneak up on any LS1's anytime soon, but IMO a much preferable alternative to the tired sport compact/import scene for the money.

I am not a big fan of magazine numbers like I just used, but frankly you don't find many V-6 Mustangs down at the track around these parts either. Matter of fact, I have never seen one run the 1/4 in person, and I get to the track every now and again. Just my two cents.

How much do these... precludes weight? I raced one with a 75 shot with cams, intake, exhaust and beat it. When he upped the shot to 100, he would inch past me. But he blew his motor.

:)

well home boy i was their on 2 occasions so its not him impressing me we let of the gas at abotu 150 and he was way the hell back their in one case, the other one the basterd sucked at diving and had a t fat asschick shot gun...and lucky to find 14's??? stock an sh model hits high 14's and that isnt any help on the top end...
:banghead: :banghead: y do i keep telling my self that there other smart import drivers out there?

I am not a big fan of magazine numbers like I just used, but frankly you don't find many V-6 Mustangs down at the track around these parts either. Matter of fact, I have never seen one run the 1/4 in person, and I get to the track every now and again. Just my two cents.


well said :cheers:

"""""""""""""""""A stock Prelude wouldn't hit a high fourteen second quarter if you shot it out of a cannon. Even the new S2000 typically doesn't go deep into the fourteen second range stock, and power to weight on that car is waaaaaay better than a Prelude. """""""""""'''

u have no clue about import cars....here is one of abotu 400 things i have saying ur wrong about the s2000 """"""""""""""""""13.66 is the best I've seen. I've run 13.79. I've also seen quite a few run high 13's.

These are with the best drivers of course. Average is about 13.9-14.2.

I've seen crappy drivers hit 15's. It's like they short shift or something. Shifting at 7500rpm, rather than 9000rpm for some reason...??? It's irritating. :mad:
""""""""""""""'sure sounds like high 14's to me...to get that car to proform u have to dirve it like u hate it...people dont thats y on the street not many people drive them to fast....and no a 2000 prelude type sh hill hit high 14's no doubt...i dont have a scanner but ill post my brothers strip time slip when i go to my buddies hous next time...that was stock too

shift at the rev limit yeaaa buddy. Ive been in a real fast S2k there not built for 1/4 at all run fast but thing had S/C ECU remap exhaust and tires only did low 13s with a good driver. I really want to see these 14sec slips too huk huk.

the lude.. I've been in one that SPANKED an auto 5.0 with exhaust on it. And the lude had no second gear, a real big thing cause it had v-tec. The lude had a some down to it tho. ALso it was form a roll and the 5.0 went past us and was about a car a head when the prelude slammed it and caught up real quick.

You know, I have a 5.0 with a vortech supercharger and 3,000hp, but a prelude came next to me and left me like I was standing still. I swear that vtec's something mystical...

"""""""""""""""""A stock Prelude wouldn't hit a high fourteen second quarter if you shot it out of a cannon. Even the new S2000 typically doesn't go deep into the fourteen second range stock, and power to weight on that car is waaaaaay better than a Prelude. """""""""""'''

u have no clue about import cars....here is one of abotu 400 things i have saying ur wrong about the s2000 """"""""""""""""""13.66 is the best I've seen. I've run 13.79. I've also seen quite a few run high 13's.

These are with the best drivers of course. Average is about 13.9-14.2.

I've seen crappy drivers hit 15's. It's like they short shift or something. Shifting at 7500rpm, rather than 9000rpm for some reason...??? It's irritating. :mad:
""""""""""""""'sure sounds like high 14's to me...to get that car to proform u have to dirve it like u hate it...people dont thats y on the street not many people drive them to fast....and no a 2000 prelude type sh hill hit high 14's no doubt...i dont have a scanner but ill post my brothers strip time slip when i go to my buddies hous next time...that was stock too

You have to drive your car like you hate it???? I Don't, I shift at 5,100 RPM I also know alot of 5.0 drivers that shift somewhere in that neigbhorhood. You know it's funny how in the summer I go the the track about every weekend and I don't really see any preludes or whatever that really impress me. Where are they?? Every other import guy sees them run these kick ass times. I don't ever seee them. Do they run away and hide when they know the big boys are coming to play or what?? Are there that many crappy drivers? That seems to be all I hear when these cars don't perform as expected. like syr74 said quit reading magazines and go to the track and figure out what is really going on. Ive raced at Joliet route 66 raceway, US 41, Byron, Gateway speedway, Indy, and Cordova and I have yet to see one.

You know, I have a 5.0 with a vortech supercharger and 3,000hp, but a prelude came next to me and left me like I was standing still. I swear that vtec's something mystical...

what the hell are you talking about? did the lude have warp coils? were you at a stop light and he was turning? is that it?

Haha...it is merely hyperbole based off of weak stories that I hear.

my b

what the hell are you talking about? did the lude have warp coils? were you at a stop light and he was turning? is that it?

:rofl: nice!..

Hmmm... Warp coils. Good idea. And maybe a couple photon torpedoes, just in case.

yea, so it can shoot the stang in the back as it drives past.

""""""""""""""You have to drive your car like you hate it???? I Don't, I shift at 5,100 RPM I also know alot of 5.0 drivers that shift somewhere in that neigbhorhood. You know it's funny how in the summer I go the the track about every weekend and I don't really see any preludes or whatever that really impress me. Where are they?? Every other import guy sees them run these kick ass times. I don't ever seee them. Do they run away and hide when they know the big boys are coming to play or what?? Are there that many crappy drivers? That seems to be all I hear when these cars don't perform as expected. like syr74 said quit reading magazines and go to the track and figure out what is really going on. Ive raced at Joliet route 66 raceway, US 41, Byron, Gateway speedway, Indy, and Cordova and I have yet to see one."""""""""""""

u shift ur s2k at 5,100???? they redline at like 9 dude what the hell are u talking about

you do know that you shift at peak power not redline oh wait your a ricer

maybee u dont recall when i said u have to drive that car like u hate it ...a s2k proformes best at higher rpms. do u shift a mus 2000 psi hell no, y would u shift an s2k at just over half wasy to its redline. unless grama is driving ur not gunna be doing that ace.

speaking of things i hate your lack of sence in your posts ive driven S2ks both stock and modded you don't shift them at the redline like 7.8k is nice for stock (when driving hard) like 2.4K for normal. what the hell does shifting a Mus 2000 psi mean? Also thats not driving it like you hate it F20c motor found in a s2k is built to hold up to its 9k redline and beyond kthx.

Also thats not driving it like you hate it F20c motor found in a s2k is built to hold up to its 9k redline and beyond kthx.
""""""""" that is my point... y shift at 5,100 if they can hold up past 9,000 rpms have u read any of the stuff i posted? and i didnt say to shift them at 7.8 i dont no were that came from....and obviously i ment 2000 rpm's not psi

some imports have to shift above redline though, so they land in vtec when you catch the next gear without rev matching. just can't do it too much or else you're going to get a floating valve. uh oh.

umm 7.8 is what i said driving a stock S2000 shifting at about 7.8k RPM is your best shift point up to about 8.5k the cam isn't mean enough to keep going for any more RPMs so bouncing off the rev limit is dumb in a stock s2k if you remap the ECU it'll make up for the cam not being evil from the factory with a cam and ECU swap 11k or more is good. (after 11k you should keep your valves upgraded and make sure your motors safe)

I disagree with you, Ace. The appropriate shift point is not determined by where peak hp is made, but at what point are you losing power compared to what hp you would make in the next gear, if you shifted then. I would shift an S2000 at redline, because that would keep me 1100rpms higher in the next gear than shifting at 7800, and would give me the most AVERAGE HORSEPOWER of each gear. The gears are there to keep the car in it's powerband; not to help you reach peak power quicker so you can shift again.

Jon

Fuck a prelude.

variable valve timing and vtec is a little different, but in the same direction. vtec is sort of having two cams in one, like an on and off switch that kicks in at a certain rpm. imagine having a tame cam and an aggresive one over the same valve head that would swap back and forth depending in your need at the moment. it definatly helps out in the hp department.


You have got to be kidding, I own a 1991 Mustang 5.0 and while not stock anymore, I spanked my share of imports including Preludes when it was stock and never lost a race. You racers and your imports. Detroit V8 Muscle will always out race 4 and 6 cyl rice burners.

My stang now is running low 11's and pruducing upwards of 450 hp. Do you really want to race me....

Now V6 mustangs are a different story, I am sure your prelude can whip a stock V6 but not a built one.


Before you ask:
My mods include GT40 ported heads and intake, 190LPH fuel pump, 70mm TB, 73mm Mass Air, Shorty headers, X-pipe and Flowmasters, Art Car built AOD, 3500 stall, 3:73 gears, Cold air Induction, B303 cam, Jacobs Ignition system, 1.7 rockers, ATI Procharger 9PSI.

thx for hjacking the thread and congrats you can beat a 2.2 liter 4 banger with your 5.0 V-8 wow i'm so jealous. and varible vavle timing is a good thing MTEC (i think) is Porsches Audi has one BMW GM Ford has one also yea there all dumb to use that. Sure your stangs fast but you really dont know too much about much else then pushrod motors it seems.

I have an OHC, not a pushrod.

1Quick91: BigDanTheMan has a 5.0 convertible, if I'm not mistaken. He's definitely not an import guy.

Los don't worry i wasn't talking to you i was talking to 1Quick91. No hard feelings?

""""""""""""""You have to drive your car like you hate it???? I Don't, I shift at 5,100 RPM I also know alot of 5.0 drivers that shift somewhere in that neigbhorhood. You know it's funny how in the summer I go the the track about every weekend and I don't really see any preludes or whatever that really impress me. Where are they?? Every other import guy sees them run these kick ass times. I don't ever seee them. Do they run away and hide when they know the big boys are coming to play or what?? Are there that many crappy drivers? That seems to be all I hear when these cars don't perform as expected. like syr74 said quit reading magazines and go to the track and figure out what is really going on. Ive raced at Joliet route 66 raceway, US 41, Byron, Gateway speedway, Indy, and Cordova and I have yet to see one."""""""""""""

u shift ur s2k at 5,100???? they redline at like 9 dude what the hell are u talking about

My. S2k???? dude I do not own an import. read my sig I don't think a S2k has a buick v-6 in it. my point is my car is redlines up to 6,200 rpm but I shift at 5,100, Because, I have something called a powerband. most cars do. you should learn how to use it. Putting a engine up into redline all the time = big boom. they red line it for a reason.

You have got to be kidding


sorry dude, i'm not kidding - and i'm not quite so sure why you took such offence to this explanation. Just trying to help a brother out - :uhoh: .

You have got to be kidding, I own a 1991 Mustang 5.0 and while not stock anymore, I spanked my share of imports including Preludes when it was stock and never lost a race. You racers and your imports. Detroit V8 Muscle will always out race 4 and 6 cyl rice burners.

Those are some pretty large words from a guy with only a moderately fast car. There are LOTS of 4-bangers and 6-cylinder cars that will royally lay a whooping on your car. Detroit muscle doesn't always win, and it's usually the cocky guys like you that give them something to talk about when you get suckered into a big money race with a much faster car.

nope.

btw, I hope this doesn't turn into another one of those forumla one threads...

"blah blah blah, Honda has more money than everyone else because they can dump more money into one thing..."

:screwy:

some guys had question of vtec, so here it is
http://www.leecao.com/honda/vtec/whatsvtec.html

heres another
http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/engine/vvt_2.htm#VTEC