my list

i made i small list on my own.
i will edit this list to keep it updated.
with peloton's help i will ad gtr's as well

XP1 - destroyed in Namibia, burried @ genesis.
XP2 - destroyed during MIRA testing, perhaps repaired.
XP3 - given to Gordon Murray
XP4 - Larry Blair
XP5 - McLaren, residing in the Park Lane showroom.
#001 - whereabouts unknown, reported to be in greater europe
#002 - HDF - unknown - can be seen in several road test movies license plate:I3 MAC
#003 - Ron Dennis - dunnow if it still is.
#004 - ?
#005 - ?
#006 - ?
#007 - Frank Selldorff - can be seen in showroom of TMS, cheapest F1, selldorff is at least 3rd owner, second one (afawk) bought it for 380.00 GBP on an auction.
#008 - ?
#009 - ?
#010 - ?
#011 - HDF - sold through Christies for about 600.000 GBP, owner unknown
#012 - possably Seth Neiman's
#013 - ?
#014 - Benny Caiola, ex-sultan.
#015 - Jay Leno
#016 - For sale at Schaefer Automobile in Germany. this means this is NOT the car that was believed to be George Harrison's.
#017 - ?
#018 - ?
#019 - ?
#020 - ?
#021 - ?
#022 - Wyclef Jean - illegally in US, polished rims, probably legalised in the meantime.
#023 - ?
#024 - Jim Clark, former Netscape CEO.
#025 - ?
#028 - Clifford Meltzer
#029 - ?
#031 - ?
#033 - ?
#036 - ?
#037 - Peter Manelis - has a window banner but smaller than Carl Beal's
#038 - Dan Kennedy - one of the most photographed cars around, kandy orange. mymics Yquem. also check: http://www.mclarenforsale.com/ this website is fake, it's not for #039 - ?
#040 - ?
#042 - Carl Beal - big window banner, can be seen on lots of calender photographs.
#043 - ?
#044 - Herb Chambers'
#045 - Laurence Strohl - CEO Hilfiger - owner of the mont tremblant circuit.
#046 - ?
#047 - For sale @ Taylor and Crawley (David Clark). ???
#048 - ?
#049 - For sale @ Taylor and Crawley (David Clark). ???
#050 - ?
#051 - Tom Meissner's - green F1, now for sale at KS Autohandels GmbH
#052 - ?
#053 - ?
#054F1GT - Black, no photo's seen ever, probably with the Sultan.
#055 - Ralph Lauren - perhaps with High Mirrors.
#056XPGT - Green, in the Factory. rumour has it that this car is for sale for a price of 1 million GBP
#057 - ?
#058F1GT - In Japan, resides in the collection of a gentleman who also owns an F1 and an LM
#059 - ?
#060 - ?
#061 - Rowan Atkinson - Was crashed, but repaired.
#062 - Ralph Lauren - perhaps with High Mirrors.
#063 - ?
#064 - ?
#065 - ex-Park Lane car, sold to unknown owner after complete rebuild.
#066 - ?
#067 - Larry Ellison
#068 - Frank Selldorff - Sold through duncan hamilton, but Selldorff found out he couldn't import the car so he then bought 007 on an auction. In America?
#069 - HDF - ?
#070 - resides in japan, no other info
#071 - Ex Chris Dawes - can be seen in DA, has high mirrors, Chris sale.
dawes totalled a car, killing himself and two others. that was not his own car, which car it was is unknown. Unknown what happened to this car as well. was seen in holland by a friend of mine, it was on a trailer, towed by a nissan patrol gr, probably with german plates, in a town called 'hattem' (lots of rich people)
#072 - HDF - ex Gonzalez family, sold through Motorcars Int'l to a mr Dahms in mullheim germany.
#073 - HDF - sold and on its way to america
#074 - Elon Musk
#075 - Aziz Ojjeh - Yquem, and last car ever build.
LM1 - Sultan.
LM2 - Sultan/japan.
LM3 - Frank Selldorff - no details needed innit?
LM4 - Sultan.
LM5 - Sultan/japan.
In the very likely case you have anything to improve upon my list, leave a note and i'll edit this one.

I think it's better if we just make notes and then you can edit the original as you see fit.

Lawrence Stroll's (note my previous incorrect spelling) F1 is not a former Petrik car. #045 was sold by Newport Autosport and then Motorcars Intl, it's current location/owner is unknown.

How certain are you that #002 is Murray Walker's?? I've never heard his name associated with F1 ownership. I'd love to hear more. Car has HDF Kit now btw.

Here's what I have to add:

#012 - possibly Seth Neimann's - still working to confirm

#014 - Benny Caiola - New York

#024 - Jim Clark - California - former Netscape CEO

#044 - Herb Chambers - Massachusetts

#051 - Tom Meissner's green F1 - now for sale at that one showroom

#072 - Gonzales family - Texas - later sold through Motorcars Intl - location/owner unknown

I guess you don't care about the GTRs? No big deal - we don't know the history on very many of them once they stopped racing.

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Murray Walker rated it as the "best car ever" on Topgear last season. I think the range rover was the eventual winner but Walker drove and argued the Mclaren as the best ever.

I think it's the greatest car ever as well - that doesn't make me an owner though. :D :p

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XP1 - destroyed in Namibia
XP2 - destroyed during MIRA testing
XP3 - crashed by bernd pichetsrieder, unknown whether totalled or not
XP4 - Larry Blair
XP5 - McLaren
#001 - whereabouts unknown, reported to be in greater europe
#002 - Murray Walker (can be seen in several movies) license plate:I3 MAC
#003 - Ron Dennis, dunnow if it still is.
#004 - ?
#005 - ?
#006 - ?
#007 - Frank Selldorf, can be seen in showroom of TMS
#008 - ?
#009 - ?
#010 - ?
#011 - sold through Christies for about 600.000 GBP, owner unknown
#012 - Possably Seth Neiman's
#013 - ?
#014 - Benny Caiola
#015 - Jay Leno
#016 - ?
#017 - ?
#018 - ?
#019 - ?
#020 - ?
#021 - ?
#022 - Wyclef Jean, illegally in US (?), polished rims
#023 - ?
#024 - Jim Clark - California - former Netscape CEO
#025 - ?
#028 - ?
#029 - ?
#031 - ?
#033 - ?
#036 - ?
#037 - Peter Manelis. has a window banner but smaller than Carl Beal's
#038 - Dan Kennedy. one of the most photographed cars around, kandy orange. mymics Yquem. perhaps sold. also check: http://www.mclarenforsale.com/
#039 - ?
#040 - ?
#042 - Carl Beal, big window banner, can be seen on lots of calender photographs.
#043 - ?
#044 - Herb Chambers
#045 - Lawrence Strohl (CEO Hilfiger) #045 was sold by Newport Autosport and then Motorcars Intl, it's current location/owner is unknown.
#046 - ?
#047 - For sale @ Taylor and Crawley (David Clark). ???
#048 - ?
#049 - For sale @ Taylor and Crawley (David Clark). ???
#050 - ?
#051 - Tom Meissner's green F1 - now for sale at ks autohandels gmbh - http://www.mobile.de/cgi-bin/homepageSearch.pl?sort=2&customerId=523734&partnerHead=1
#052 - ?
#053 - ?
#054F1GT - Black, no photo's seen ever.
#055 - Tommy Hilfiger, perhaps with High Mirrors.
#056XPGT - Green, in the Factory. rumour has it that this car is for sale for a price of 1 million GBP
#057 - ?
#058F1GT - In Japan, resides in the collection of a gentleman who also owns an F1 and an LM
#059 - ?
#060 - ?
#061 - Rowan Atkinson. Was crashed, but repaired.
#062 - ?
#063 - ?
#064 - ?
#065 - Park Lane car. undergoes a full rebuild and will then be sold. has delivery mileage, so will be quite expensive. probably sold already.
#066 - ?
#067 - Elon Musk. Crashed but then repaired. Ex Gerd Petrik.
#068 - Frank Selldorff. Sold through duncan hamilton, but Selldorff found out he couldn't import the car so he then bought 007. In America?
#069 - in U.S. Customs.
#070 - ?
#071 - Ex Chris Dawes. can be seen in DA, has high mirrors, Chris dawes totalled a car, killing himself and two others. that was not his own car, which car it was is unknown. Unknown what happened to this car as well. was seen in holland by a friend of mine, it was on a trailer, towed by a nissan patrol gr, probably with german plates, in a town called 'hattem' (lots of rich people)
#072 - HDF kit, Gonzales family - Texas - later sold through Motorcars Intl - location/owner unknown
#073 - 2nd of december for sale @ christies' jack barclay showroom
#074 - Ralph Lauren. Perhaps with high mirrors.
#075 - Yquem, and last car ever build. Aziz Ojjeh.

Thought i read that somewhere, when the car was on top gear and 5th gear... could be wrong though.

You can just edit your original post - you don't have to keep posting the entire list.

One more btw-

#028 - Clifford Meltzer - red - formerly in Japan - now in California

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Murray Walker does not own an F1. I seen the film he made campaigned for the F1 to be voted the greatest car ever on top gear, and he certainly didn't look like an owner. I recognise the guy that did the track driving in the film, but can't put a name to the face (i think he's a racing driver).

I'm pretty sure XP2 was rebuilt, read the Fate of XPs thread for more info.

Is that Tiff Needell you are talking about?

#69 - no longer with US customs. Has been exported.

Peloton, if you are willing to share the details you have on the GTRs, I would love to know where they are.
Thanks!

wyclef's is here legally

no it wasn't tiff. He left top gear and the bbc and works for five now.

Minor edit - 075 belongs to Mansour Ojjeh, not Aziz. Aziz Ojjeh used to own 011.

there were 2 owners of 011 before the christies auction

Tiff Needel really really wishes he had enough money to afford a McLaren F1. Unlike that bafoon Jeremy Clarkson, Tiff truly appreciates the cars for what they are and would love to have one.

BTW: Maarten - this is an excellent list so far once you clean it up. Nearly half the road cars are accounted for.

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i update the first post, so that should be as accurate as we can make it. post you remarks here, with the chassis # and then i'll edit it.

cool with ya'llllllll? ;):D

Wyclef's car is here legally under a name that is not his own = Not Legal.
I see someone else mentioned something to that effect later on here.

What is the current status of... XP4 is it? Any forum links to a thread about this?

XP4 belongs to a Californian named Larry Blair. You should be able to search this forum for his name, or simply "XP4" and find out a lot of information.

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016 was probably George Harrison's old car - see http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=134545&page=1&highlight=senna This car is rumoured to belong to Eric Clapton now.

Very true - even I had forgotten about that one.

Funny thing I just noticed while looking at the build list, is that it must have been Harrison's fault his car was built out of succession while he made them look around for the perfect Aubergine. His car being #016 was the 19th built. Up until that point all the cars had been completed in order except the first one which was finished 3rd.

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That is cool that Rowan Atkinson owns a McLaren.

is there any update needed??... not that i'm aware of...

tons :p

go ahead

i lost my binder thing. i'll look for it tomorrow

Just to clear a couple of things up:

1. The guy driving Murray Walker around the circuit in 011 is Duncan Hill. This is discussed in another thread.
2. Gordon Murray owns XP3.
3. Jeremy Clarkson doesn't like the F1 because GM called him a wanker. In my opinion spot on...

XP3 has been rebuilt. It sits in Gordon's garage and he occasionally will drive it around.

you can't prove that yet

Well someone else told me recently that XP3 was most certainly not the F1 that the BMW Pres wrecked. He told me the same thing - that XP3 had been given to Gordon Murray. This person also thinks that XP2 might still be around as McLaren Cars held on to it after the MIRA crash test to use if they proceeded with any US certification process. He didn't know the current whereabouts of XP2 though.

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Well someone else told me recently that XP3 was most certainly not the F1 that the BMW Pres wrecked. He told me the same thing - that XP3 had been given to Gordon Murray.

i told ya so :p...
"Fate of XPs" (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=108396&highlight=fate)

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You can stick your tongue out all you want - you were simply speculating at the time, it's not like you had any real info that proved otherwise. :screwy:

I'll get you a cookie, how about that. ;)

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awww...dont tell me you're mad :frown:

...just goes to show you that abscence of proof can still mean proof of abscence :smile:

Not mad at all that you were right - but you're saying "I told you so" like you had some reasoning behind your earlier assumption. The only reason I doubted you before was because you were simply speculating and I had previously read that XP3 was the car that was destroyed, so I was basing my comments on that information. If you had any proof earlier that you were right and I was just sitting there calling you a liar or telling you that you were wrong in the face of it, then sure, go ahead and give me a hard time about it.

It's fine with me that you ended up being right - but it's not like you're some genius. It was just a guess that ended up being correct. Good for you. :loser: oops, I meant :thumbsup: hehe

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its not as much of a guess as you might think. the reasoning of my assumption was that there was no proof of XP3 going to the BMW boss. XP3, like the other McLaren prototypes, is one of those chassis that wouldnt go anywhere without someone knowing about who, when, and where it is going to/came from (ie: XP4, XPLM, 56XPGT).

...since there was never any news of it going anywhere, i assumed that XP3 was safe and sound.

mr. bernoulli, wasn't it #002 where Walker was driving in?

No, I remember it being either 011 or 013 but I am sure someone here will be able to eliminate one of these.

if you are talking about the top gear episode where Murray Walker drives a mclaren for the first time, i can guarentee you its 002, i have an article on it. i may scan it later

great minds think alike chris:)

Cool, I'd like to see that too. I'm just remembering what the bloke who was driving it told me...

Don't forget that #011 started life as a Carbon colored road car, so it might appear to look a lot like #002. When was the article with Walker written? Because #011 didn't receive a refit to the blue exterior until 1998.

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I am being e-mailed by someone who claims to be Gordon's son - his name is Dylan Murray. He has told me "XP3 is alive and well"

would be cool if it was true. perhaps ask him where his father's originally from

Don't forget that #011 started life as a Carbon colored road car, so it might appear to look a lot like #002.


it has a red pinstripe down the vent line

I am being e-mailed by someone who claims to be Gordon's son - his name is Dylan Murray. He has told me "XP3 is alive and well"

Sounds like him. Ask if GM ever made it to Guildford cruise of a Sunday night.

Mr. Benrnoulli, do you know if XP5 is still in the showroom? i'm staying at my grandparents who live on Putney hill after christmas and if it is i could just hop on the bus and take it all the way down to park lane.

Thanks

As far as I know it is staying there until the museum opens at the new McLaren site. This doesn't look like its gonna happen for at least a year so you should be alright.

Prior to the move it had a full refurb so is looking better than it ever has. Enjoy the trip!

it has a red pinstripe down the vent line

And who's to say that #011 didn't at one point in it's life? :confused:

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well, the article is about 3/4 of a year old judging by the date on the mag and when the episode aired.


i need to take a good look through this forum soon and re-write all my records. so much has changed in the last few weeks and i haven't been here much :(

done rewriting your records chris? i will do mine...:)
eazy now.

Posting from London...XP5 is in the Park Lane showroom.
Rgds,
tvrfreak.

damn! i forgot, i need to get my pix up...

yes but this is for the changes to the list...

to start with, i know the current owner of #072. he's german, his name is 'Dahms' and he lives in Mullheim. I might be able to post a pic and more info later, you'll hear that.
I also know that a guy called Voight in Germany owns a Davidoff 97 GTR. I'm working on the chassis number.

How many of these are there? Cause McLaren have one.

i don't know. i count three now. One @ McLaren, the car i mentioned and the hitotsuyama car that originally was a davidoff as well. maybe a fourth?

I know someone who has seen a black one around the Dallas Fort Worth area. He said it doesn't have a spoiler or anything and looks stock.

do you have a date? it can be #007 and if it was a very very long time ago it could also be #072 which is black as well.. if it has a red doorstripe there's #015 and wyclef's car looks very black too. lot's of possabilities

It could possibly have been #22, Wyclef's. He said "i think it belongs to jay-z, or somebody like that" "he was on I 35 coming from trophy club (of course). it was black (i know we have established this), looked completley stock. he got off the freeway and i followed. i tailed him for about 10 minutes or so, we were stopped at a stoplight when i think he probably realized what i was doing. he did a nice burnout and took off...no way i coulda caught him in my tour...i didnt even try... but its ok cause i got to see the sweetest burnout ever. god...the tires on a mclaren, when they burn i would swear it smells like potpurri"

BTW, he mentioned the driver was coming from trophy club which is a very small town near D.F.W. It just so happens I have relatives that live there, but I last visited them when I was like 9 and didn't know squat about cars :banghead:

i doubt he did a burnout for obvious reasons