swap time

ok ive been working on getting my swap for quite some time now, and i just cant decide what to get.

i want it to be fast, yet reliable, and for a good price too.

i have though of all b16 built up $5000
d15b2 with turbo $3000
b18 built up
ZC

and i just cant decide, so im looking for feedback for anyone that has had some experience with any of these swaps. i plan to have the swap done by this summer. im looking to be the fastest, id like to smoke mustangs, elcipse, neons, v6 v8 what ever i have a 90 civic HB what you guys think?

If you have $5,000 to spend on a B16 then do that and put a turbo on that bitch. That will kill most stock V8's and rule most of the streets for a 4 banger.

If you have $5,000 to spend on a B16 then do that and put a turbo on that bitch. That will kill most stock V8's and rule most of the streets for a 4 banger.

i would go with the gsr turbo with that kind of money. 1.8 is better than 1.6. :icon16: :p

TAKE THE GSR! Then turbo that.

ya like 6-8psi on a GSR will be kicking some A$$ since it is already highish compression you will see much larger gains at a low PSI than you would with a LS

I have a 90 civic DX and I am thinking about dropping an Integra engine in it, but I don't know what year Integra I need. I think I need a 92 or 93 but not sure.

I heard the gsr doesn't really fit in 4th gens as well as a b16? I heard that since the block is taller you have to hang it lower on the mounts and that causes your manifold and exhaust to hang lower than the rest of your car?

Just asking...

actually hasport makes a mount that makes the block sit up higher so you would have to get a hood that bends up a little to get the clearance but the torque you would gain and hp woul dbe worth it

Since the B16A is cheaper than the GSR to buy by at least $1000, I'm gonna have to put a vote in for my favorite cheap motor. :)

With the extra money you save from buying a GSR, you can put pistons and stronger rods in the B16 and in turn run higher boost. :)

well ive asked alot of people, and i have around 3500 to spend only...
so i basically want to be the best for the buck

i could put pistons, rods, bearing and a cam in a dseries go with the si tranny for longer gears and a pg7 ecu which i will be able to edit and add turbo for that price... should be 12-13 sec car.

or i can just use all the money and just go b16a stock. which is fast and has alot of potential in the long run if i put more cash into.

these are the choices i have decided... down to these 2. for the dollar the turbo swap should be just a lil faster, but it would be limited to where its at unless i spray...

i think im gonna start with the turbo set up which is faster for the buck then drive that for a while, and save more money for a gsr turbo set up.

whats your opinion with that? smart thing to do ?

Its your choice really.. One persons smart idea is another's dumb idea. I guess it depends on your situation.

See, I NEED reliability so the B16 was my way to go. Quick, reliable, and a great platform for later on down the road when I have two cars so I don't need the Honda.

we actually, thats my issue as well, i have limited funds, and this is my only car. and i drive it every day. so i was thinking building up a si or the other d series motor, adding turbo should idealistically be a better option over a stock b16... my theory is that im gonna be driving it alot and most likely i will be speeding since there alot of open roads here. wouldnt it be better to get the motor that has been rebuilt to take the hard driving more. and hopefully i should be faster then a stock b16. and should last longer if i take care of it. over just getting a stock b16 swap and hoping nothing happens... also it just seems like a better idea to spend more of the money makeing the motor better then getting the motor to even fit. and im guessing by the time im tired of the turbo set up i can have enough cash to go b16a or gsr and do it right... i guess maybe im anwsering my own question? :screwy:

or maybe my question was has anyone tried a similar dseries turbo set up? i havent really heard much all i hear is b16 this and that heh i wanna be diffrent, or is it just a bad swap for what i need?

http://asia.vtec.net/article/d15b/

i think this is the motor. which is better this or si?

I don't see why $3500 should take all your money for a B16 swap? You can ge the motor for like $1300 or so, then about $500 for mounts, and what else do you need?

I personally think a reliable, faster, boosted D16 would be a lot more money and still not as reliable as a stock B16, or one with bolt ons.

But hey, its your car and money so do what you want.. Boost a D series, and get back to me on how cheap and reliable it is. :p

well see im guessing 1300 for the motor, 500 for mounts 200 for tranny about 200 for axles gonna go ahead and guess 200 for random belts etc that puts it at 2400, then i still need shift linkage a new clutch and flywheel and labor cost on top of that...

the d series is 600 for the motor and will bolt right in, im still gonna change the ecu and tranny, which will be around 300-350 then all the internals and a budget turbo plus all my gauges

do you know anyone on a hooked up Dseries motor, i had a friend with a turbo si crx and he said he loved it.

im not downing the b16 my any means i would much rather run that, but if i can ride on a turbo d series for a bit id have enough money saved then to turbo gsr :0 )

What? You can buy complete B16As (meaning engine, tranny, ECU axles) for like 12-1300. Then you need mounts. Thats it.

http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/honda/b16a1/index.html

okay b series nazi....jump off your soap box :p

i hear osaka is unreliable when it comes to shipping to the US

just got everything engine, tranny, axles, ecu and the shipping was a total of $2274 for b16 set-up we just got. we got the LSD trans and hasport stuff so it was a little more. but it was turn key they way it arrived.

if you have limited funds...don't listen to SiZ. sorry but, i'm dead serious. the b16 isn't spendy just to swap. everything about it costs more...aftermarket (intake, header, spark plugs) and replacement parts (water pump, thermo, gaskets). if you are on limited funds then d series really is the route you should go.

i dunno what SiZ is talking about he needed reliable so he bought b series. that is ghey. d is just as reliable. honda doesn't make 1 engine more reliable than another...they make engines with the same integruity, just different HP.

if a person has a bigger budget then i say go for the b16. it has more power...no brainer there. but if you want cost efficent, it's nothing but the d bay-be

i dunno what SiZ is talking about he needed reliable so he bought b series. that is ghey. d is just as reliable. honda doesn't make 1 engine more reliable than another...they make engines with the same integruity, just different HP.

Obviously I didn't spend 3Gs so I could have something more reliable than the perfectly good ZC I had. :rolleyes:

I wanted more power, but I also wanted reliability. AND, I needed to change my car from auto to standard. (my tranny was toast) SO, I got the B16 because it already came with tranny and linkage, so all I needed was a shifter, pedals and a few other miscelanious parts.

You're nuts if you're telling me a 140whp D series is going to be just as realiable as a stock B16.

You're nuts if you're telling me a 140whp D series is going to be just as realiable as a stock B16.

no i am not nuts. what does whp have to do with reliable?

so you're telling me they stuck the d series in all the USDM models (up to '99 when the b16 was finally "introduced" to the US) because it is so unreliable.....right?

maybe the b16 is more reliable to someone who wants to drive in higher rpm on a daily basis. but i would not say more reliable for the "avg" daily driver. honda made the d series FOR the daily driver. not only is it reliable but economical

i notice you don't dispute anything about the b series costs more. you completely stepped over that :grinno:

what does whp have to do with reliable?

Nothing if cost isn't an issue. Maybe you could tell me how to sqeeze 160hp out of a D16A for less than the cost of a B16, then maybe we can try and begin to understand how long it will last. :) Why do you think SO many people have swapped B16s in their 4th gens who want fast daily drivers?! (Actually 4th, 5th and 6th gen Civics) Do you still think its because everyones just a lemming and isn't thinking?! :screwy:
Still, all I hear is talk about all these fast reliable SOHCs (for cheap). I still have yet to see someone have one that is fast, and has been reliable for them for an amount of time. My b16 sees 8,000+ every single day for 2 years now and its given me no troubles. (other than some gay idle problem, but thats totally unrelated)

so you're telling me they stuck the d series in all the USDM models (up to '99 when the b16 was finally "introduced" to the US) because it is so unreliable.....right?

C'mon you know the answer to that. Civics are grocery getters. 90 of people who own them don't give a shit about whether they have 100hp, or 200. Plus, its a lot cheaper for Honda to put D series in most Civics.

maybe the b16 is more reliable to someone who wants to drive in higher rpm on a daily basis. but i would not say more reliable for the "avg" daily driver. honda made the d series FOR the daily driver. not only is it reliable but economical

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that this guy wants something fast AND reliable. Hence all the talk about swapping a motor or turboing his D series. Why would he want something reliable and economical, but be talking about how he can make his car fast?!

i notice you don't dispute anything about the b series costs more. you completely stepped over that :grinno:

What's to say? I'm not going to deny that the B16 is a more expensive swap, but thats the name of the game.
Cheap, fast, and reliable. Chose two.

yep, civic's are grocery getters. exactly my point. RELIABLE grocery getters. you juts said the d series isn't reliable :grinno:

not everything b series is gold. i know plenty of people who swap in a dohc zc or sohc vtec and it's plenty of fast for them.

okay, you want to talk about assuming he wasnts speed. again, here we go....it is cheaper to mod a d series. sure you can in the long end achieve more whp with a b16 but spending twice the money. dropshop is putting 257whp down with his 10psi ZC. i KNOW he spent less than the $2274 jer just spent.

we can continue this thill our fingers fall off. we all know you like b and i like d. homeboy has to decide what he is after.

the b series will end up faster in the long run but the d series is cheaper to mod and maintain.

c'mon....you know saying the d series isn't as reliable is a joke.

and i retract my statement about the 99 si being the first usdm b16. i temp overlooked the b16 del sol. i always forget about the poor fatty

I re-read everything I've said I don't see where I said the D series isn't reliable?! I said that if modded to keep up with a B16 its not going to be as reliable as the B16, ya. I'll stand by that.

10psi on a ZC for under $2200? I'd like to know more information on this, like his exact setup, and how many miles he drives the car regularly. Like I said, having a car that will break down when driving lots daily is not an issue for me. Some people who have more than one car, well thats different.

Ami, before when I had my ZC, I was a B16 non-believer. I thought everyone who had them was just wasting their money on a more expensive motor, it didn't make sense to me. So I did a shitload of reasearch on turboing my ZC and how much it was going to cost me and how reliable it was going to be. I had countless conversations with Jeff (the guy who made homemadeturbo.com) about boosting my ZC and in the end it was cheaper and a better choice for me to go with the B16 because I can't afford to blow a motor. I've done my research, I've been on both sides of the fence.

have you seen or heard of a d15b2 motor being built up and turbo?
thats probally what im gonna go with. unless i luck out and make alot more money then i guess, then i will consider b16.