Automatic to Manual...

I have a 97' TA, right now it is an auto. but honestly I would rather have a 6 speed. Has anyone here done this or know of a website that may have some instructions. I know I would need the tranny, pedal assembly, master and slave cylinder, the ECU from a 97 6 spd, clutch and flywheel, all the lines, the 6 speed center console, shifter. Any help on actually doing the swap or if it is even possible would be great thanks.

I know it's possible. I've never done it or know of anyone that has done it, but I know it's possible. It'll just take some labor and time...

Wow, sounds like you have a big job ahead of you dude. Good luck; I hope you can find the information you need. It'll be worth the work in the end; mine's a 6-speed and it's so much fun! :sunglasse

You would be best off selling the one you have and buy one with the stick.

i agree with mikeemon

dude, if your pretty mechanically inclined, then you can do it yourself. I did it in my car, and it worked out fine

pain in the ass

Hey,
that 3 pedal makes a muscle /sports car is bull.. total bull and i used to think that way..

throw in a stall converter(Torque converter).. 3200 Stall, gears, transgo shiftkit and if alot of racing is done do the valve body

.. already Auto's accountfor 70% of all 1/4 mile wins.. and with the stall on a roll.. you'll be smiling.. i don't know but when win i not bored

that 70 % account is without the opotional equipment.. remeber if a human thinks he can shift faster than a computer..lol'' that will be the day

the 4l60e is a great auto

also you don't need as high of gears since the auto's planetarty ratios are very good...

and rember this.. this is the M6 killer you'll drop .7-.75 without adding 1 hp to the engine.. see if a M6 can do that

don't waste your money and effort.. get a Midwest TC,, a trango shitfkit.. and buy a used 3.42 from all the 6 speeds that NEED 4:10s.
trust e i walked a 03 cobra.. with minor bolt ons and the afformentioned tranny mods.. by 6 cars to 120

good luck

I'm willing to bet that if you gave me the same amount of money that you put into your stall, gears, and tires, that I could beat you down the 1/4 mile. That's alot of dough there...

I ran 13.12 stock before the stall..399 transgo 104 dollars
some and nitto relacements.. wich is maintenance 160 each.. your bilstien oes help you 1/4 time..it a track suspension.. so i doubt youcould run 10 13.1x's .. sorry pall.. your wrong.. test have shown 70% of the Auto's win becauseof consistency

no offense.. you car is swet.. but you need o be educated on the 4l60e

even so.. money is not a factor.. you'd need 80 RWhp to do it.. and youcan't buy that for what i paid

Auto's are superior..

perid. GM high prformance mags says 70 % and they are he final word

Oh but a tranny swap isless expensive.. lol

your !le is cool.. but i post the same number in skid and slalom.. remember it an 01after pontiac made the suspeension cange .. that diffeent hanthe SS also i was lucky enough to dyno 320.1 with auto bone stock at 700 miles.. so don't bit off more than you can chew.. your car is great and i'm sure you have fun withthe 6 speed.. but.. i w wn.. period.. and i have fun doing that.. anyway my Ws6 is running mid to low 10's a differen league than your car



all pro draggers run auto's.. why?

And b4 you go to Nos any kit a dry Ls1 is about 580 plus safety equipment.. and then you still need traction IE Nittos

i work on airforce Jet engines carsare a piece of cake

so no labor.. how abot you

so yo wouldn't beat me.. even stock i seriously doubt it.. maybe yu best would approach .35 of my consistant

6 speed are a Macho thing.. you thinkthey are needed so theirfore you buy it..

sory youcan't do a thing to your tranny to make.75 with out adding hp.. and thats a fact



Nice try though
Ps excuse my spellling.i'm almost asleep



but honestly you have a nicw =ce car.. ..oh one last thing.. Ws6 make more Hp on the roll than a SS.. you pick up laminar airlow routed circutous ( which is heated.. the WS6 rout stright in froma the frontal cross section.. and has notime to get heated..

so again.. advantage Ws6

goodnight

First, my car will never have nitrous on it.

Second, why do I doubt all of this? Because you can't write simple english. Credit is earned by one being able to decipher another's post, which you make almost impossible from the start.

As for your 10's, nobody is gonna believe that until you do the norm, post your slips, pics, etc. Internet racing is for teens. As for the airflow in the hoodscoops, that is bs until you're over 100 anyway. It has no effect on the car except for looks until then.

Where is this magical 80 rwhp you're talking about? I find this comical.

And yes n00b, most dragracers do run autos because of consistency, not because they are faster than manuals. Ask anyone, most manuals of respective cars will get through the 1/4 mile quicker than their auto counterparts. It's a generally accepted fact that late model LS1 F-bodies with M6's clock in about 13.5 in the quarter, while the A4's clock in about 13.8. In fact, you'd be the first that I know of to say otherwise.

You know what? I design buildings, cars are a piece of cake. What did that have to do with anything? Nothing.

http://www.lmperformance.com/1024/3.html
$125 plus shipping, but I'll give you 104 and the benefit of the doubt. This was a two minute search. You may know someone and have a deal I don't know about.

http://www.racenet.net/drivetrn/precision-vigilante.php
Unless you got some craptacular stall, it should mirror some of Vigilante's prices. I don't believe your stall price.

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?step=details&productType=TIRE&source=vehicle&index=8&productCodeIndex=40135
Nitto 555R's, at the original size, 275/40ZR17's. You're dead on there, no arguement.

http://www.stealthperf.com/cgi-bin/store/64045.html
Also, you talked about gears, yet listed no pricing. Those are for 4.10's. That's more money I'd have to play with.

Also, don't forget installation for all of those parts, nothing is free, and doing some of those installations yourself is more of an undertaking than some are able to perform.

Point is, I don't care what you say about your auto WS6. I've raced them, I've beat them, and been beaten. It has nothing to do with the trans, but the drivers...

Oh yeah, welcome n00b, you're making friends fast...

I have a 97' TA, right now it is an auto. but honestly I would rather have a 6 speed. Has anyone here done this or know of a website that may have some instructions. I know I would need the tranny, pedal assembly, master and slave cylinder, the ECU from a 97 6 spd, clutch and flywheel, all the lines, the 6 speed center console, shifter. Any help on actually doing the swap or if it is even possible would be great thanks.

Do you really like your car bros? I mean, have you had it for a while and are you very attached to it?? Cause if not, I'd do what the other boys said and flip it for a stickshift.

Or....

Just buy another with a 6-speed - and I'm not being smart. I plan to own an LS1 some day (realistically within the next 5 years) and it will be an M6. By then my LT1-auto Z28 should be on its way to being a full-blown drag monster, and I'll be cruisin "heads up" in the C5. Its all a matter of how bad you want it/how much you into it.

Personally I think you've got the best looking T/A styling ever made. I'd keep her if I were you - as is or modified if must be. I've only had my car for two summers and I could never sell her - ever.

As far as the 4L60E goes, the hourglass is ticking the minute you start adding horsepower. The only reason I haven't built a stroker motor already is because I cannot afford a rebuilt 700R4 tranny to go along with it (or a 12-bolt Moser for that matter).

BLACK ss READ YOUR PM I DID'T WAN'T TO EMBARRASS YOU IN FRONT OF YOU BUDDIES.

BUT MIDWEST FROM HPA HAD A BLOW OUT SALE

AND SINCE 1 RESTALL AND ONE RE STR IS ALLOWED.. I TOOK IT AND NEVER LOOKED BACK
MIDWEST IS NOT CRAPOLA
THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 15 YEARS

SO

ANYWAY I ADDRESSED YOUR DOUBTS
SORRY THAT I DIDN'T NOTICE YOU HAVE AN 01

IT 'S COOL

STILL YOUR WRONG ABOUT EVERYTING ELSE
( BUT YOU ATTACK MY SPELLING..LOL..TOO BAD YOU CAN NOT ATTCK MY FACTS)



OH FORGOT TO MENTION I NOW USE A MOSER REAR

ITS COOL YOU DEFENDING YOUR KIND BUT ALLOW ME TO REITERATE.. WHEN gm HIGH PERORMANCE SAYS 70 % OF AUTO WILL WIN.. THEN I BELEIVE THEM

ESPECIALLY SINCE I RAN A 13.12

YOU HAVE 1 le.. WITCH IS NOT A 1lE NOT OFFERED IN 01.. ITS A bILSTIEN SUSPENSION OFFERED BY SLP



I' AM A JET MECHANIC FOOL

AND I DO MY OWN LABOR AFTER BORROWING A FRIENDS LIFT

OH I DIDN'T COME HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS ..ONLY TO TELL THE TRUTH PUNK

THE AUTHOR SHOULD STALL, TRANSGO AND GEAR HIS CAR AROUND THE TIME HE NEEDS TIRES..

BY THE WAY..

.. MY 3.73'S WERE AROUND FROM MY 6 SPEED Z28 I HAD IN 98
AND .75 TIME IS ONLY OVER COME BY 80 RWHP YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS FOR EVER TENTH 10 HP

AND NOT RAM AIR BUT POSISTIVE PRESSURE OCCURES LONG BEFORE 1O0 TRY 60-70

RAM AIR DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTILL THE 650MPH ZONE.. SMART ASS

BY THE WAY.. I'F IT DOES'T LIST MY CARS.. I OWN A 04 iNFININITY fx45, 04 EVOLUTION
03 Z06, 01 WS6, 95 5.0GT_S..AND A 95 ZR1
I DO COME FROM A WELTO DO FAMILY.. BUT DON'T FLUANT IT.. I BUY ALMOST ALL AMERICAN


WHAT DO YOU HAVE BLACK ss. THE ss AND WHAT? ONE pos DAILY.. OR IS THE ss IT YOUNG MAN

Oh Blackk SS wit so little in the way of mods but moded non the less you can only achieve 13.5

intake and exhaust your times suck.. you must be a real slick 6 speed driver.. whatsup.. to much spin..


a Vigilante or yank.. overpriced.. every so often Ls1.com hasa Group purcase .. this ishow i got mine for less.. and since it was damaged in transit.. they made it cousto for me.. and sent it overnight on a Saturday morning i recieved it.. Midwest is the best TC company around.. i'd hedge a bet that Vig and Yank get their TC's from them



just let me know whatyou wanna know mr Slp man

remeber GM itself states 7 out of 10 auto vs sticks win


you beat me

even modified i would have ton you apart

and if ram or high prussure effect doesn't happen and Ws6 hoods are for show.. tel me how Variram.. a 2 inlet( seems familiar )sealed to the air filter can guarantee .35 increase and 3-4 mphin the 1/4 or your money back

????

is the Vette Ls1 different than ours?


and on another note.. you think you'll shift faster tha an auto.. hell dude i was chirping 3rd long before the stall and gears on the stock F1's with 90 % tread..

so you don't know squat..

the man should save his money.. get at least a stall( a midwest stall.). they re always running specials.. and see if that aircraft carrier launch puts a smile on his face and makes him happy.. or a 60mph downshift doesn't scare the heck out of him the first time

Swap in a 6 speed.. shit the labor and cost alone..is far beyond what you can do to an auto to be faster and more reliable



sadly Black SS you think 3 pedals is necessary.. i wish you lived in Florida i 'd race you for slips..and spot you 10 cars ..( off the Nos too)






sadly
you have no room to talk .. and if so i direct you to Pm me .. i'll happily mentally fence with you

I would tend to agree with sonic about manual vs auto. A stock auto is a slush box that is toned down to provide comfortable ride for the average driver. Things like shift speed and firmness is not what it can be. There is no way a human could shift as fast as a modified tranny. A stall converter matched to the output curve of your engine will outperform stock any day. I think autos get a bad rap since many people never try to juice up the slush box.

I have a 97' TA, right now it is an auto. but honestly I would rather have a 6 speed. Has anyone here done this or know of a website that may have some instructions. I know I would need the tranny, pedal assembly, master and slave cylinder, the ECU from a 97 6 spd, clutch and flywheel, all the lines, the 6 speed center console, shifter. Any help on actually doing the swap or if it is even possible would be great thanks. Easiest thing to do is buy another TA with a 6 spd. can be converted but very time consuming and expensive. I've converted 2 firebirds to 4 speeds, 69 and 79. Newer cars are more of a pain. :)

Lord Sonic, you bore me, are you always so long winded? I can't understand half of that broken english. Here goes...

When did you build up in your head that I'm pro stick shifts, and will not accept anything else? While my personal preference is a manual for the sheer fun of it, I've not said anything but the fact that a good driver with a manual can beat an auto. I've made no claims to frequency or anything, hell I know that a slip up and the auto will win. Did you look at the other forums before posting that reply? If you had read them, you'd have known these facts already. Dust off the cobwebs, it'll make the brain work more efficiently.

Racing for slips, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard of. What are you trying to prove, or compensate for, your manhood? Wait, are you a closet TF&TF/2F2F abdicate?

Yes the Corvette LS1 is different than ours.

If I had a cookie for you chirping third, it'd be yours.

I never claimed to be a blistering manual driver, hell that quarter time is a year and half old. At least I've got the slips to prove my times, and am not an internet racer. And since you pointed it out, when I got that time, I was racing TNT (Test N' Tune) at the same time they were bracket racing. They wouldn't let me start in the groove, as proven by the 60' time. Pretty easy to tell I was spinning just by that time, so I congradulate you. There wasn't any addition involved with that, so you did well.

I own my car for the sheer fun of it, and detest being associated with people the likes of you. Quit giving F-body owners a bad wrap, and learn the correct facts before you give them.

As for the other forums that you've posted to me in, no replies yet?

Edit: As for my cars, yes, this is my only car. I've worked my ass of for it, including schooling, of which I graduate with my B.S. in Architectural Engineering a week from tomorrow. There will be a 94-96 SS in the garage next to my 01 SS in the near future, so yes my Camaro is my daily driver.

I'll be out of town until Sunday evening (actually at a club Christmas Party for a local F-body club, being social), so feel free to post more things that I won't really read, and I'll argue with you then...

First off i send you personal e-mail.. second you only need provide a Fax..and i'll show you all the things i've been talking about are corrrect.



Slips.. buddy .. your SS isn't even worth the money for me to race you.. unless you have real cash.. which i seriously doubt.. no i know you don't

It would be slips.. to bad if its to F&F for you.. remeber i don't hang at the F body club.


You have much to learn.. you won't be argueing with me

and i don't subscribe to my other posts..
sorry you get sileence ..


lastly such bullshit on your 60' you have ( or sayyou do0 a Bilstien suspension) sorry not the same as the 1le.. but anyway.. its not designed for linear weight transfer, hence slower 60'

wow you'll have a Lt1 SS.

dud i own all my cars.. so does my wife and our house

i've tld you repeatedly to give me you fax.. for informaton exchange..

..like the fact that f bodies in 01-02 NEVER recieved LS^ block.. WRONG.. 1 in % did.. or didn't you get to that post.

anyway.. Your a peon.. your pro SS...and Anti Ws6.. tell the truthman.

the Ws6 has real( with some slight modification( functional hood ..likely worth between 20-30 hp int he 1/4 and it start at aroung 50 mph.. as the data i have will show.. see your looking for + boost.. when under load intake manifold prssure in yourcar is in the - just returning the VE makes hp.. stupid.

You are nothing to argue with..

youre a peon like i said.... and the likes of me.. you mean a guy who actually studied the engine from inside and out,, the drivetrain,, and the diff..

lol

your a joke

i showed you that with litle money you can do what you need to do to an auto and make it clean up.. but iguess 399 for a Midwest, on sale , 104 for a transgo, gears that most 6 speed guys leave for 4:10 are under 50 bucks ..and tires are just a replacement item
you'll burn through the stockers eventually 399+ 104+ 50.. and since i turn the wrench.. helli make this author car fun,and wicked fast off the line and fantastic downshifts for all of 554 bucks,,thats alot of money..

Ya know you mentioned .. cheap cnverter are crap.. you think Vig or yank are the only good ones.. Midwest is excellent.... though Neal Racing makes one.. a 2800 for geuss how much 399

and they are well known

my TC was coustom done due to dmage to the input shaft in transit.. so i got lucky

yeah your around Blacky.. you too much of a wimp.. knowing i have data up the yang for you..to dispell everything you've said..including the suspension change that ta/ws6 got in 99 that allowed them to be better handlers , better launchers and retain a smooth ride..the magic of corvette suspension devolper. John Heinrikcy

Long winded i am ?

i taught mechanical physics
too bad you too stupid to follow

You dudes need to cool it - especially you SonicMouth. I realise you have a severe reading handicap by virtue of your atrocious spelling, nevertheless get someone to help you go over the AF user guidelines and do it now. I find it terribly difficult to understand how you can maintain any position of employment that requires reading skills (your old man wouldn't happen to run that place your work at, would he?).

And what does this thread have to do with your fleet of cars, your wife, or your house?? (PLEASE do not tell me - just ask yourself "why am I bragging about this nonsense?") Like really, what the hell are you arguing about - you like automatics and think they can shift faster than 6-speeds? Great. I like autos too. I don't think anyone in this entire thread disagrees in principle that an automatic can be made to out shift an M6 driver more times than not. Just don’t get so personal when people disagree. To go and mock someone for only owning one car is pathetic buddy - you come in here and proclaim (like anybody gives a shit) that your family is loaded but that it never got to your head, yet repeatedly cite your possessions over and over and belittle others based on their job or the car they drive? You typify the classic righteous prick. It almost wouldn't be as hurting if you ended up being some fat bum or punk kid making this shit up from your basement apartment (no offence to any other basement dwellers – in fact basement cribs are da shit!).

I'd almost want you to take all of that negative energy and go bug the guys in the Honda or Subaru forums, but you would only be making us look bad. Relax. We all drive nice cars, and we come to this site to discuss, argue, and talk about them – not rip other driver’s for their preferences.

Listen , first off ,I'm far from rightous... i've made my share of mistakes ... but to rip on me for my spelling.. ,, like your second , third or Fourth language would be any better.

would you like to seak to me in person ..over the phone perhaps, and then you'll understand they are simply typo's or writing at 4 am.. Or when i wiped out.


I seeyou direct you entir post toward me..

Funny.

That blacky state that he knows for a fact X-Y-Z.. when X-Y-Z are totally incorrect..

why would that be

This young man thinks he is the shit since he's in school and was a SLP member.. well he needs to be brought back to earth..

My spelling..lol.. thats the best you all can do.. cause certainly my information is dead balls on..

And you sir are incorrect.. he 4l60e by itself untouched and in good shape can and is the tranny tested (stock),, beating the M6 7 out of 10 times.. and their is as you said probably another.7-.85 in the tranny alone.. this is a significant number for racers.. without touching the motor.

So Iron head.. i will head your advice, even though rudely put, but this Blacky is nothing.. he doesn't know the Ls1 , not like me, yet he dares to chalange my info
Iron , if you want to speak to me personally you may call me Pm me and i'll give you A number. any rudeness, foul language or unprofessional behavior.. and i'll disconnect.. and trace the call back .. even if you *67
it.
I will maintain a professional attitude over the phone.

And your comment on the Subaru and Mitsubishi . LOL you must not read to well.. i own an Evo and my wife has the Sti.

Blacky is just plain wrong and unwilling to admit it..
hey i admit i mispell.. big deal.. like i type my own reports at work???? ever heard of secretaries?? However i do have microchip recorder.. she transposes from.

Hav a nice day.. and Blacky you haveyet to provide a fax #.. what are you afraid of?? i know being so wrong and off the mark is embarassing.. but their was a time i didn't know his information.. but digged.. hell i was "forced at the time to get the Auto WS6.. not realizing it was a blessing in disguise.... i owned the identical car in 6 speed for a week.. then took the hit and traded it back in for an Auto.. how that make you feel better

Remember what day it is....This is an Important Day in US military history.

Because I told you that I don't have a fucking fax number, neither to any of my friends. Do you realize how fucking ancient faxes are??? I don't give a shit if you are out of the country, and can't post me a simple email because you're a terrorist or something. I could really give a care. Not my damn fault. Point remains, I don't have a fax number, and I'm not giving you any information on me. Fact is, if I did, you'd probably stalk me, seeing how you can't miss an opportunity to belittle me on the boards. Having fun, pedophile? You think all of you jargon about me being young, and you being old makes me cringe in my boots. Far from it. I don't care about your family, your cars, your lack of intellect, but I do know that what you're filling these boards with is bs. Nothing that you say or do is gonna change my mind about that. Why don't you leave, you fucking troll...

Like i said My intellect is superior.. and make me leave..i'm no troll.. you know it Sl man

wow look at you get mad..


i don't want to sound cocking butif you used the F word at this point .. in person abut 4 teeth and a broken jaw,,and a torn bicep tendon would be your reward for talking tough to me.. no thats reality.. trained in multiple fighting art..and you constant disrespect.. you would deserve it.. though i'd let you touch me so it would beself defense ..no charges

i'm not form out of the Country moron.. was Born in Sicily.. and immigrated when i was 17 here.



i'm 37 so i'm old.. yeah ok.. my peak in Fighting age was 35..

so giive that i though

and since i taught and your a student.. i doubt i have any lack of intellect

though..

you are the troll Slp amn

you 13.5 stock is a joke

Faxes are ancient.. then sent my a temp email.. and i'll transpose as much inf as i can and send it..
..

Me stalk you please you give yourself to much credit..or are plain scared..to be shown how wrong you are. BS, too bad i have all the documentation to back it up.

Nice try..

Limp Wrist.. pedophile.. i have a wife an an extensive list of fomer girlfriend who reamian fiend with me.. so that point is mute

Ancient.. funny.. so all companies use faxes.. you're making ecuses like a child.. don't you work???

lol

Yeah, I put myself through school, but I use no fax machine at work.

So where's those links I've been asking about online? Is it so incredibly hard to copy those precious papers, using a scanner, go somewhere like Imagestation and host them, and then post the links in here? Last I heard, it wasn't against the law to do that...

You think you have credibility around here by saying that you have years of martial arts experience, and saying that you know how engines work. Might mistify some, but I see through your bs...

Come back when you have links to post regarding the LS6, I'll respond to you no more before you do, other than in passing...

As a military Contractor.. all my post and e-mail are monitored .. by homeland security fool

don't you think engineers are of concern.. especially not native born..
i can fax but even that will be scrutinized..



And martial arts.. buddy.. you have no idea kid..

you need to live in the now

its a differnt sOciety since 9/11/01

The Ls6 Block info is dead on.. look up Camaro Perfornmer.. is a GM statement.


no site have i dfound.



and you knoW 99 the C5 13.3 the Ws6 13.5 and the SS 13,7.. this is doo ( if youhave lateraL THINKING) TO THE FACT THEY WOULD NOT WANT THE SS TO APPROACH VETTE TIMES.. HENCE THE INFERIOR HOOD DESIGN.. SUNCOST CREATION HAS A HOOD VERY SIMILAR TO THE WS6.. FUNNY ISN'T IT AND FUNCTIONAL

c'MON BOY WERE IS YOUR LATERAL THINKING.. AND THE RINGER.. GEE YOU THINK MAYBE AN lS6 BLOCK.. NT ENGINE COULD HAVE HELPED

YOUR SS., WITH ALL THE ls6 PART IN 01 RUNS A MERE 13.5 STOCK .. ONLY MATCHING THE WS6 OF 99 WICH HAD NONE OF THE 4 MAJOR POWER BOOSTER. STOCK LS6 PARTS.
YESI CHEATED A BIT .. RAIN BAFFLES aren't necessary if youuse an oil impregnated filter.K&N, HOLLEY POWERSHOT, DONALDSON

If your such the computer wiz look up Your camaro mag and see.. it all from GM

and again IT FALLS IN THEIR +/- TOLERANCE hp .. funny my ls6 blocked LS1 dyno'd 320.1 in auto without a stall.. .. bone stock with a fram AND NO RAIN BAFFFLES REMOVED YET ...like i said you can't do a thing on A SS hood intake wise. though 10 minutes..and 10 dollars FOR THE PROPER WEATHER STRIPPING. MAKES THE WS6 HOOD FAR MORE FUNCTIONAL...AND THAT A FACT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH EVEN WITHOUT.. IT'S STILL .2 ON AVERAGE FASTER THAN THE SS ON SAME DAY TEMP DRIVER TEST
BUT CONSIDERING ITS ABOUT 10OLBS HEAVIER

IT SHOW THE SUPERIOR INTAKE TRACK


SORRY YOU LOSE

WHY DON'T YOU STOP PM-ING.?. CAUSE YOUR INFINTILE EGO. THAT TESTOSTRONE WON'T LET YOU GIVE UP

I'LL BE RIGHT ON YOU ALL THE TIME.. YOU FLIPPED MY SWITCH.. AND YOU'LL PAY FOR OR IT

LATER BLACKY
JOSEPH
PS. YOU ARE QUICK .. I'LL BET YOU SIGNIFICANTOTHER KNOWS THATQUITE WELL..LOL

They think engineer can encode.. say engine info to be informtion about just anything.. you live in a post 9/11 world..

sadly.. i offered you the info via fax.. which will monitored.. and .. i will act professionally..


stalk

my life is grand.. risk jail over you..lol

you have such an ego.. i have offered..sonny.. youu refuse because you are scared to death i'm correct on allaccount.. and that would make you look very uniformed..know wouldn't it.. 01-02 have only the ls6 intake manifold..lmao..

hence the avrage. in 80 degree temps of 320 to 330 stock rwhp starting in 01..is that only from a intae manifod.. lol

your comical

again try and laterally think.. programmers took a long time to come out for 01's.. why? cause cam , exhaust and pcu table were changed.also..along with some other ancillary items non Hp produciing. .. whats a matter you can't think laterally

I hate to get you guys mad but I have to agree with SONIC1050fps here. When I posted this I knew most of what you guys are saying... I was merely getting ideas. I know already I am leaving it as an auto. Oh, and my friend has an 01 T/A auto. and bone stock with a k&n filter he ran a 13.49 at the track and he has a slip to prove that... Its a matter of knowing how to drive your car and get minimal wheelspin. Oh, and SONIC1050fps I would love to know what you got done on your car if you wanna email me or PM me that would be cool. You all have fun now...

No links, no conversation. Keep building yourself up, I don't care...

Hey Blacky... too bad you wil never know the truth.. and you'll bethe one everyone is laughing at..

Like i said Computer Wiz..one Lat time Camaro
Performers
Fall Issue. page 83-84.. Its a Magazine.. just in case your inflated egotistical mind can't follow.

You need a mirror and an extention stick to see it as it is in an awkward place.

YOU LOSE ..PLAY AGAIN WHEN YOU"VE GROWN UP!

Bad.. i'm gonna Pm write now.. i'll give you skinny you won't have to worry about 6 speeds.. ever again not off the line or in a drag..

Bye Bye Blacky now you are on my gnore list.. till i see a Fax number on my PM heading.. you eat static.. i have the proof , you don't what i.. because you've been left out of the loop

Oh and Blacky don't have to build myself up.. it a simple contractualagreeement about posting site concerning ANY technical info.. you should know that many private companies have clauses.. not exactly like this.. but similar.

I'm shocked. Very shocked.

Sonic...
First, hood design has nothing to do with hp. The only advantage is cooler air. And the amount of heat dissipated into the air because scoop was placed above the engine is minimal at best.

You speak of being older yet you display childish behavior? I don't believe you for a second.

To everyone else...
Stock for stock the M6 is better. Simply because of durability. I'd say if you want a really good swap, go with a 4L80E. They will take a beating.

Interesting.. though incorrect..

the Hood.. in this forum has been discussed.. and at best the SS is a cool air intake were the Ws6 hood design allows for cols air / ram air.. how you can say a hood doesn't supply hp.. yes on a dyno with the car not moving.. we are talking realworld.. their s heat soak and the SS hood require the air ( oxygen to pass) through multiple citcutous paths then sent forward to align with the air lid..

so in fact a Hood does not provide hp is correct on a dyno.. i know of no races on a dyno

. Tell me genious where is the weak link in a stock Fbody .. the rear diff.. an Auto maintaines static tension on the gears.. this make it less likely to break then droppy the clutch (non static 0 on the rear gears.. whatkills the 4l60e is heat.. and for 30 Bucks maaybe 40 .. you can easily remedy this 2 things one lucus tranny stabilizer, and a tranny cooler, doesn't haveto be a 24,000Gvw B&M i put in a 18,000GVR

So your wrong on both pionts.. ..no your clutches don"t get fried ..lol

and M6's don't break more rears .. your laughable .. nice try though

and the hood thing is well documented.. the Ws6 hold a clear advantage.. hell when i look into my WS6 nostrils and see the bottom of my Donaldson filter.. tell you tell me your SS has = design. Its logically clear.the Ws6 hood allows and more air/ oxygen thus it makes more hp

lol

go back to physics 101

plenty of F body owner.. have over 100k miles on their tranny A4's and they don't drive to church..

again nice try

"You eat static".... I suppose this was a slam, but a new one by me, must be that multi-lingual wit.

As for your proof, I've posted a link to it in one of the Camaro threads. I can't wait to see what it does to your ego now...

How about some pics of your cars???

Blacky,

hey buddy

sorry pal when i say you eat static.. thats what i mean..

If you still cannot understand why i am forbifdden/ restricted to form any site.. believe don't beleive..

Hey Funny thing..

Carrrnut.. the World Modfor utomotive Forums.. confirmed my accuracy on my post.. but asked me to tone it down
so .. you shall eat static.. he as a moderatorhas the info on the LS6 blocks, the ram air.. and the author of this post has asked me for directions to the right part person that will set him up

i'm sure you are quite proud of your SS. while only one car it is i'm sure well kept and very clean.. as far as hood design, Ls6 parts, Ls6 Block.. and the 4l60 E you heard it from the author mouth a stock auto running 13.49.. K&N has not been proven to add hp while a lid will..

So yes EAT Static..
i shant engage in fight with a person who cannot dmit when they are wrong..
sorry no web site for you..

its clearly obvios to everyone but youthat i do know the Ls1 quite well

rather, inside and out.. so play your silly games..

funny even Engineering Student 89 Iroc.. with saying he's wrong.. beleives me..

now why would a engineering student. do that??? one who works on Vettes???

You know the answer young man.. f youhave any doubt.. call up carrrnut and find out if what i've been saying is correct or not
you're just a stubborn,likely spoiled kid that can't admit that someone is actually smarter..
Buddy i was figuring problems with a sliderul and my texas Intruments science calculator at your age and getting it right.

So have fun , youre wrong and i know you know your wrong.
move on..I'd love to see you in the miltary.. you'd be broken down in a week

Later Blacky... Eat static is an Airforce radio term for you'll hear silence in case you weren't sure

Bye now

Just to let everyone know I think that everything that Sonic has stated so far is 100% correct. I have heard most of this already from another good friend of mine that owns a 99 Formula and works at the Pontiac dealership localy. I hate to be wrong as much as the next person but this is a battle I dont think you are going to win... I think the bottom line here is that yes you can probably have more fun with a 6 speed, no doubt that. But, fact of the matter is that when you pull up to the line and the guy next to is got an auto. guess who has the better odds...

First, there is a very good reason for me to suggest moving away from the 4L60E. It is practical expirence with this unit. I have seen many of them fried, in stock applications. I would like to know where I stated anything about the rearend? Yes, it is a weak point. However, I do not recall this thread to be pertaining to the rearend. The 4L60E has a fatal problem that heat has nothing to do with. The reaction shell is rather frail I have seen qutie a few trannys destroyed because of this part failing. Second, I have never seen any controlled tests done on these two vehicles that test either the MAP, or the intake air temp at speed. If you have some numbers post them here. If you have only theory than fine, let it be. Third, if you could make some attempt not to be so rude it would much aid your case. You made guesses on what I was refering to, and then you mock me. Again, what I have stated is not theory, but practical application.

Just to let you guys know. I already knew the tranny and the rear-end both are potential weak points in the car, and quite frankly they are. I am planning on getting a performance rebuild on the tranny so it can withstand more HP/Torque, as for the rear-end, I will prolly go with a Strange 12 bolt, I have heard good things about these units and Strange makes a direct swap for the LT1/LS1. Thanks for everyones help on this... Though I dont know how much I actually got...lol

In my experience the Vlave body is only need to be replaced, and if you have " practical experience with 4l60E i'll refer you to art carr.. whom i spoke with . He said as long as the temp is in check , poprprober fluid level and type a tranny cooler and a non over abundance of hp the tranny will last .. when you speak about the 4l60 e you put up the whole drive line for scrutinization.. the rare will break on a 6M first as willl the clutch..

Valve body, shift kit, lUcas stabilizer ( for tempps) tranny cooler.. and i'll glady take the test against the 6M.

Sorry on the hood desig you have to have controled weather conditions.. to give out precise numbers.. its clear that the SS hood does not provide the quantity or density( heatsoak) that the Ws6 hood does.. this is basic logic employing physic knowledge
Does the hood make Hp ..No it repac air into the manifold.. as underload the manifold pressure drops.. and under load means 2, 3,4 gear..
I'll state this. No disripect for the very good looking SS.. but i've yet to see a same day test between the 2 that th Ws6 didn't edge out the SS.. now most observers of this test say it accurs right around 60 mph when the Ws6 starts to "make its move..
this would consistant.. with Formulas derived from the Variram Corvette system which state.. retutrning the Ve starts at 48- 52-53... and the Ws6 is not as good as th specific variram.. even with the removal of the rain bafffles and sealing it to the air box.. but its close..
from personal experience without changing anything else i gained .25 consistant.. i think thats a practical example.

Srry i don't beleive the Auto tranny has any more problems tha the 6m driveline, weere cluthes and sycro's and rearends drop much quckly than a fried 4l60e

and temp is its major enemy 90% of all failures are heat related

You act as though these are full race cars we are tlking about.. an Aut driver chose his races.. he's not about to go around constantly banging gears.. which my stock Auto was able to do....
And i beleive we were talking about performance.. with the 4l60e i'll drop .75 on my recommeded set up.. what can you do to the 6m.. nothing.. but change gears..and i've seen the comarative reports on going into the 4:10 area.. maybe .1 -.-.2 with heavy risk of destroying the rear end.

1 last time.. the SS hood sufer from heat soak, and far less efficient ailflow more air + more oxygen more oxygen= more hp. so the ss hood is grossly ineffecient.
Now Suncoast Creation makes a SS hood with the pick ups right up front like the Ws6 it works very well and is very functional.. and does not suffer from the same problems the stock hood does

Bottom line if you take care of your tranny.. it will last .. period..
And the Auto holds a healthy advantage over the 6m even stock in 1/4 mile racing

no mock . just the facts.
I know i had no problems whatsoever with my tranny in 3 years

Excelent..J.. a rebuild won't cost too much especially if the trasnny isin good working condition now.. But that Strange is gonna set you back.. i assume you'll want to retain you abs.. good chioce..for sure..

.. shop around for the rebuild.. ive seen great shops do it for a fair price.. not more than a heavy duty clutch and install on a 6M

Oh Author..since it looks lke you gonna go for some major Hp.. you'll wat to start looking into rotors and pads.. maybe even Dot4.. can't go fast with out stopping.. i made that mistake once early when i was young

now brakes are always my First mod

Good luck

I'm outta here.. so you all catch me somewhere else if you wanna argue. one were i've signed up..lol

It's all good. Anyway I've seen a lot of STOCK 4L60Es destroyed heat was the death of most, but several had broken reaction shells, and some of these trannys were coming from cars with much less power than an LS1. I suppose it's just some thing to be aware of.

Horsepower or torque..?

I know that the Torque limits of 4l60e are approached rather quickly.. though keeing it cool seems to have done me right.. i ran it hard yesterday.. and as always i check allmy essentials.. i checked tranny level. and its smell.. no burnt smell.. wich is what i expect but more importantly.. it was cool.. or rather warm.. as apposed to the short time i drove it without a tranny cooler.. you couldn't touch the fluid it was hot if not hotter than oil.. now the i'm glad as hell i spent that 49.99 with a stall its necessary even though i run a low rpm (relative) stall.
i'm curios were these vehicles 4L.. work or load related ?
hey eveything man makes wears out eventually.. but if some slub is towing his boat..then yah i see it.. or always has a full load inside, approaching the vehicles load limit again i agree.. most people also don't drive to cool down.. i picked up that habit.. probably the worst thing you can do is go show offf( read race, burnouts beating on it) and then pull it in and park it.. just lie their is a warm up period there is a cooldown period.. i guess manufacturer don't want people to do that.. NO money if it Aint Broke

All lot of them were coming out of S-10s with the 4.3L, so both horsepower and torque. All though I saw a few out of F-bodys as well. However, In colorado s-10s far out number F-bodys. Most came from personal vehilces, and within the warranty (3years/36,000mi) I'd think that extra heat wouldn't have helped any, but I don't think it was heat alone. Your right that every thing wears out but a tranny that isn't beat on should last a long than that. I mean you can make it work, but it's barely enough for the LS-1. So if you're planning on adding power and willing to replace the tranny why not put some thing with some that should take the power you want?
I personally would rather blow out my rear end than lose the tranny.

wELL IF YOU CATCH IT BEFORE ITS TOTALLY BLOW.. I CALLED AROUND A PERFORMANCE REBUILD IS WITHIN 350 TO 450. INCLUDING HARD PART.. SO .. HIGH PRICED CLUTCH OR TRANY REBUILD.. I THINK ITS PRETTY CLOSE.. .. ONE SHOP SAID WITH THEIR TRANNY REBUILD.. AND I GAVAE A SPECIFIED 420 HP AND EQUAL TORQUE THEY SAD .. WTH THE EQUIPMENT I ALREADY HAD A 350 TRANNY REBUILD.. AND THEIR IS NO RESON.. IT SHOULDNT LAST 80-100K MILES.. WITH 20 % HARD DRIVE( IE READ WOT ).. WHICH IS ABOUT RIGHT..

wELLMAYBE I'D O THE TRANNY REBUILD FOR SAFETY SAKE.. MOST PEOPLE LET ITGO.. THAT WHY..EVEN THOUGH POEPLE LAUGH I SMELLL THAT TRANNY FLUID AFTER EACH RACE.. THE FIRST HINT OF ANY BURNT SMELL..AND IT GONNA GET REBUILT
INEXPENSIVELY



THATS FOR THE INFO

MAN
PEACE

wELLMAYBE I'D O THE TRANNY REBUILD FOR SAFETY SAKE.. MOST PEOPLE LET ITGO.. THAT WHY..EVEN THOUGH POEPLE LAUGH I SMELLL THAT TRANNY FLUID AFTER EACH RACE.. THE FIRST HINT OF ANY BURNT SMELL..AND IT GONNA GET REBUILT
INEXPENSIVELY



THATS FOR THE INFO

MAN
PEACE

:werd: That's exactly what should be done. Burnt fluid=Burnt clutch packs= junk in the valve body.

:werd: That's exactly what should be done. Burnt fluid=Burnt clutch packs= junk in the valve body.


I did some realpricing on real heavy performance rebuilds.. they run about 1200.. reybestos bands, corvette 1a nd 2 servo-- thopugh the f-might have them .NO?
but they all iclude various parts i already have installed and their is no discount..

though i ran into a very honest performance guy.. he asked whati had dne.. askd wat my driving habits were.. and he told me.. that if you get on it only Once in awhile with Nos.. yu should fine.. the transgo and the tranny cooler go a long way..

he was also the least expensive with the best parts available..
according to other his 4l60e'sare virtually idestructable so long as you temp is down.. and i'll be reppititios... that lower stal, theB&M Trans cooler and tthe trango.. are all good.. according to him.. tranis are not my specialty.. but i can work on them

he was referred by a fellow mechanic...

though i still beleive the prices down in Florida ..are out of line.

thanks for the input.

now you got me worried about my tranny...lol

Peace