Poor performance in a drag race...
tvrfreak
11-04-2003, 12:25 PM
This is from someone who has a Lamborghini SV...
"id have to use nitrous all the time! There is a story on another forum actually of a guy who just raced a Mclaren F1 in a 500hp 996TT and beat him. The Mclaren just roasted its tires and couldnt get traction."
I know that the guy who wrote this has a Ferrari 355 and Lotus Esprit as well, and I know he uses them all almost daily, so he is certainly credible. He has never been a fan of the McLaren--he claims you look stupid driving around sitting in the middle (and no, I don't agree with this one bit).
I also don't know if it was a traffic light drag race (that's what I am inclined to think it was) or street course or just an open stretch of highway It's such a shame to read about our favourite supercar not proving itself. Hopefully, the tyres were bald, the car needed a servicing, and the owner didn't know how to drive...still, it's too bad the McLaren didn't win. The car will spank anything in the right hands. They should have qalifying courses before handing you the keys to a car like this!
"id have to use nitrous all the time! There is a story on another forum actually of a guy who just raced a Mclaren F1 in a 500hp 996TT and beat him. The Mclaren just roasted its tires and couldnt get traction."
I know that the guy who wrote this has a Ferrari 355 and Lotus Esprit as well, and I know he uses them all almost daily, so he is certainly credible. He has never been a fan of the McLaren--he claims you look stupid driving around sitting in the middle (and no, I don't agree with this one bit).
I also don't know if it was a traffic light drag race (that's what I am inclined to think it was) or street course or just an open stretch of highway It's such a shame to read about our favourite supercar not proving itself. Hopefully, the tyres were bald, the car needed a servicing, and the owner didn't know how to drive...still, it's too bad the McLaren didn't win. The car will spank anything in the right hands. They should have qalifying courses before handing you the keys to a car like this!
Peloton25
11-04-2003, 01:51 PM
I'm certain that it takes a well trained right foot to properly use all of the McLaren F1s enormous power and transfer it through to the road without lighting up the rear tires. The Porsche would have obviously had the benefit of four wheels providing traction, which makes a bigger difference in a drag race situation. Also, once the wheels start spinning, if you don't back off and let them gain traction, they will never really stop spinning even as you continue up through the first few gears.
A fast car + inexperienced driver = slow car all the time.
>8^)
ER
A fast car + inexperienced driver = slow car all the time.
>8^)
ER
teflon
11-04-2003, 03:51 PM
Read all about it here:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=36270
The owner of this McLaren also owns an Enzo and he participated in the 360 challenge series. He has a fair amount of track experience.
Greg A
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=36270
The owner of this McLaren also owns an Enzo and he participated in the 360 challenge series. He has a fair amount of track experience.
Greg A
McLaren F1 Guy
11-04-2003, 04:09 PM
Kennedy owns an Enzo? That I did not know.
Man some of those people on there are dumb. One guy said that was chassis #075, another said #019 is aubergine, little does he know chassis #019 doesn't even exist.
That guy was lucky to race Kennedy's F1. If I was kennedy, i would have smoked the guy in the TT. Thanks for the link, teflon, thats an interesting story
Man some of those people on there are dumb. One guy said that was chassis #075, another said #019 is aubergine, little does he know chassis #019 doesn't even exist.
That guy was lucky to race Kennedy's F1. If I was kennedy, i would have smoked the guy in the TT. Thanks for the link, teflon, thats an interesting story
Peloton25
11-04-2003, 04:18 PM
Yeah - we know the owner of that car very well.
From the story on that site, it just sounds like he didn't get a very good launch. That's the problem with street racing (among other things) there are just too many variables involved. Line them up at a track if you really want to find out which is faster. I think the 911 owner would have had a good race on his hands to 60mph if Dan had gotten it to hook up.
BTW: Among the mistakes that McLaren F1 Guy pointed out, someone needs to tell Gustav that the Swedish banker's car is not a real LM.
>8^)
ER
From the story on that site, it just sounds like he didn't get a very good launch. That's the problem with street racing (among other things) there are just too many variables involved. Line them up at a track if you really want to find out which is faster. I think the 911 owner would have had a good race on his hands to 60mph if Dan had gotten it to hook up.
BTW: Among the mistakes that McLaren F1 Guy pointed out, someone needs to tell Gustav that the Swedish banker's car is not a real LM.
>8^)
ER
fselldorff
11-04-2003, 04:31 PM
Peleton is right, it takes a lot of practice to get the power down without spinning the tires. It is impossible to push the pedal to the floor in first gear, you simply cannot do it without breaking loose. To get a quick run, you need to modulate the pedal in first, feeling for the max adhesion without going over. Even in second, on a perfectly dry road, breaking the tires loose simply requires a firm push on the accelerator pedal.
For the F1 fans out there, do not be discouraged. The driver of the F1 must have been a novice, I have had no problems with anything, including Porsche's. Don't let anyone kid you, there is NOTHING on the road that comes close.
N.B. You'd be amazed at the myriad of cars that pull alongside thinking they have a chance. I'd love to be back in the sixties racing for pink slips, I'd have a rather large collection of exotics by now.
For the F1 fans out there, do not be discouraged. The driver of the F1 must have been a novice, I have had no problems with anything, including Porsche's. Don't let anyone kid you, there is NOTHING on the road that comes close.
N.B. You'd be amazed at the myriad of cars that pull alongside thinking they have a chance. I'd love to be back in the sixties racing for pink slips, I'd have a rather large collection of exotics by now.
McLaren F1 Guy
11-04-2003, 04:36 PM
You've driven an F1? Theres no way you're frank selldorff
Peloton25
11-04-2003, 04:46 PM
You've driven an F1? Theres no way you're frank selldorff
How do you know it's not Frank?? :confused:
Give him a chance to prove himself right or wrong before you go calling him out like that. Don't be so quick to judge...
Anyway - I hope that really is Frank. It would be awesome to have an actual owner's perspective on the F1 here. Thanks for saying I was right too. ;)
There must be something you could do to prove your identity if you care to. I would assume you'd have better things to do than post here, but maybe you're interested in participating. If so, we're happy to have you.
>8^)
ER
How do you know it's not Frank?? :confused:
Give him a chance to prove himself right or wrong before you go calling him out like that. Don't be so quick to judge...
Anyway - I hope that really is Frank. It would be awesome to have an actual owner's perspective on the F1 here. Thanks for saying I was right too. ;)
There must be something you could do to prove your identity if you care to. I would assume you'd have better things to do than post here, but maybe you're interested in participating. If so, we're happy to have you.
>8^)
ER
fselldorff
11-04-2003, 05:05 PM
I have been watching the conversations on this board for some time now, it has made for some very interesting reading. Thank you all for showing so much enthusiasm and passion for the indisputably best road car of all time. I feel the same way. I am trully fortunate to have been afforded the opportunity to own and drive this car. I am not worthy.
Even though there are numerous cars coming out that appear to close the gap, rest assured that a thorough comparison would only confirm the F1's place at the top. Without driving/owning a car for an extended period of time, it is impossible for anyone to understand the true magnificence of the car. I wish everyone could experience what I have for the past 3 years, so they would understand. I no longer try to explain what I mean, I just smile and let the doubters believe what they want.
As part of my responsibility as owner, I feel I need to share this wonderful car with as many people as possible. I love giving rides, rewarding those with the gumption to ask. If I can conveniently do it, I'll take anyone and everyone. It's fun watching the reaction as people climb out of the car. Noone can prepare themselves properly for a quick run in an F1. On more than one occaission I've had to stop to let people out (grown men) who couldn't handle it.
For this same reason, I am making myself available to this forum so that you can get the perspective of an experienced owner. I would love to continue to share this incredible car with those who appreciate it, like me.
Frank Selldorff
(007, 068 and LM03)
Even though there are numerous cars coming out that appear to close the gap, rest assured that a thorough comparison would only confirm the F1's place at the top. Without driving/owning a car for an extended period of time, it is impossible for anyone to understand the true magnificence of the car. I wish everyone could experience what I have for the past 3 years, so they would understand. I no longer try to explain what I mean, I just smile and let the doubters believe what they want.
As part of my responsibility as owner, I feel I need to share this wonderful car with as many people as possible. I love giving rides, rewarding those with the gumption to ask. If I can conveniently do it, I'll take anyone and everyone. It's fun watching the reaction as people climb out of the car. Noone can prepare themselves properly for a quick run in an F1. On more than one occaission I've had to stop to let people out (grown men) who couldn't handle it.
For this same reason, I am making myself available to this forum so that you can get the perspective of an experienced owner. I would love to continue to share this incredible car with those who appreciate it, like me.
Frank Selldorff
(007, 068 and LM03)
teflon
11-04-2003, 10:39 PM
...For the F1 fans out there, do not be discouraged. The driver of the F1 must have been a novice, I have had no problems with anything, including Porsche's. Don't let anyone kid you, there is NOTHING on the road that comes close.
Why do you think he is a novice? He's had his F1 on track, and as I said, he also owns an Enzo. Money doesn't buy skill or experience, but he has raced for several years in the 360 challenge series, so he is no stranger to the track and high speed driving. People make mistakes and since we haven't heard from him, we only know half of the story.
Greg A
Why do you think he is a novice? He's had his F1 on track, and as I said, he also owns an Enzo. Money doesn't buy skill or experience, but he has raced for several years in the 360 challenge series, so he is no stranger to the track and high speed driving. People make mistakes and since we haven't heard from him, we only know half of the story.
Greg A
tvrfreak
11-04-2003, 10:55 PM
Greg,
now that I know who the owner was (thanks for the link), I can tell you that his performance in the Ferrari challenge was mediocre at best. He may even be decent, but he's certainly not a great driver. And even if he was, the smallest misjudgment of the rates at which to feed in the throttle and let out the clutch would be almost impossible to overcome in a block-long drag race.
I have also heard from several sources that the car is one of the most abused McLarens out there.
I drove the 600+hp GT2 that was in the Gumball Rally, and it was almost as quick as my motorcycle. It got up to 160 very quickly, and pulled hard up to 185 (that's when I backed off--the car was still pulling fairly hard). I am sure it could go over 200. I bet an AWD Porsche TT is pretty close up to 150--I raced against one in France and I wasn't able to gain on it (I didn't fall back either, mind you!). That time, I was in a TVR with the Red Rose mods.
If the TT got the better start, it would stay ahead of a McLaren for at least a block or two. Up to 200mph, I would bet on the McLaren. Around a track, I would bet on the better driver.
now that I know who the owner was (thanks for the link), I can tell you that his performance in the Ferrari challenge was mediocre at best. He may even be decent, but he's certainly not a great driver. And even if he was, the smallest misjudgment of the rates at which to feed in the throttle and let out the clutch would be almost impossible to overcome in a block-long drag race.
I have also heard from several sources that the car is one of the most abused McLarens out there.
I drove the 600+hp GT2 that was in the Gumball Rally, and it was almost as quick as my motorcycle. It got up to 160 very quickly, and pulled hard up to 185 (that's when I backed off--the car was still pulling fairly hard). I am sure it could go over 200. I bet an AWD Porsche TT is pretty close up to 150--I raced against one in France and I wasn't able to gain on it (I didn't fall back either, mind you!). That time, I was in a TVR with the Red Rose mods.
If the TT got the better start, it would stay ahead of a McLaren for at least a block or two. Up to 200mph, I would bet on the McLaren. Around a track, I would bet on the better driver.
teflon
11-04-2003, 11:25 PM
tvrfreak,
you're welcome for the link.
I didn't want to admit it, but my argument was rather weak. At least half of the field in the challenege series shouldn't be allowed on any track. Did you see the saturday race @ the USGP last year? It was awful. Three cars were trying to pass each other going into turn one while a yellow was being waved. They were about to approach two cars stopped on track at turn two. They weren't invited back after that weekend's showing.
Did you drive Lonman's GT2? If you did, there is video of him driving 208 mph and also beating an F50 from a stoplight drag.
I agree w/your other points. I have driven a TT and they are super easy to launch. Around a track, the better driver is almost always faster.
Greg A
you're welcome for the link.
I didn't want to admit it, but my argument was rather weak. At least half of the field in the challenege series shouldn't be allowed on any track. Did you see the saturday race @ the USGP last year? It was awful. Three cars were trying to pass each other going into turn one while a yellow was being waved. They were about to approach two cars stopped on track at turn two. They weren't invited back after that weekend's showing.
Did you drive Lonman's GT2? If you did, there is video of him driving 208 mph and also beating an F50 from a stoplight drag.
I agree w/your other points. I have driven a TT and they are super easy to launch. Around a track, the better driver is almost always faster.
Greg A
tvrfreak
11-04-2003, 11:45 PM
It was a guy named Rob Kenworthy, but yeah, I think he goes by Lonman on the bulletin boards. The car was silver, had a British flag on the roof, and Brit license plates that said 1 CPU.
The guy is certifiably nuts. He insisted that I drive all night because he was drunk out of his mind (what do you expect from a Brit?) and couldn't get enough of our empty highways (what do you expect at 2am?) and he loved to read off the speeds 130,135, 140, 148, 155, etc.
BTW, Rob told me he used to own a McLaren before, as well as a couple of TVR Cerberas. And that he's getting a Pagani roadster. I have verified that he owned the TVR Cerberas, and I have seen plenty of footage of him and know enough about him not to doubt his driving stories (but then, you should hear the stories about me)! So I have no reason to disbelieve that this guy also owned a McLaren. In fact, he even told me the name of the dealership where he traded it in for the Porsche (plus some cash back). I have long forgotten the name of the dealership, though!
I read in the paper that Rob got arrested within 15 minutes of setting off on the first leg of the Gumball the next day. And on some board, after the Rally was over, he posted that he didn't care for the cotton jumpsuits that he was forced to wear in Louisiana jails--he was suggesting that they have some silk stuff for his next visit! Quite a character--I think he's the closest to Chris Dawes that I have met recently.
That was a fun night. If you're out there and reading this, Rob, thanks for letting me put your car through its paces. :)
The guy is certifiably nuts. He insisted that I drive all night because he was drunk out of his mind (what do you expect from a Brit?) and couldn't get enough of our empty highways (what do you expect at 2am?) and he loved to read off the speeds 130,135, 140, 148, 155, etc.
BTW, Rob told me he used to own a McLaren before, as well as a couple of TVR Cerberas. And that he's getting a Pagani roadster. I have verified that he owned the TVR Cerberas, and I have seen plenty of footage of him and know enough about him not to doubt his driving stories (but then, you should hear the stories about me)! So I have no reason to disbelieve that this guy also owned a McLaren. In fact, he even told me the name of the dealership where he traded it in for the Porsche (plus some cash back). I have long forgotten the name of the dealership, though!
I read in the paper that Rob got arrested within 15 minutes of setting off on the first leg of the Gumball the next day. And on some board, after the Rally was over, he posted that he didn't care for the cotton jumpsuits that he was forced to wear in Louisiana jails--he was suggesting that they have some silk stuff for his next visit! Quite a character--I think he's the closest to Chris Dawes that I have met recently.
That was a fun night. If you're out there and reading this, Rob, thanks for letting me put your car through its paces. :)
teflon
11-04-2003, 11:53 PM
yep, that's Lonman.
Greg A
Greg A
Stratoraptor
11-04-2003, 11:54 PM
t At least half of the field in the challenege series shouldn't be allowed on any track. Did you see the saturday race @ the USGP last year? It was awful. Three cars were trying to pass each other going into turn one while a yellow was being waived. They were about to approach two cars stopped on track at turn two. They weren't invited back after that weekend's showing.
i think now would be a good time to post this picture...
http://www.fast-autos.net/ferrari/360challenge23.jpg
i think now would be a good time to post this picture...
http://www.fast-autos.net/ferrari/360challenge23.jpg
tvrfreak
11-05-2003, 12:10 AM
Speaking of crazy characters, I went on a drive this weekend with a bunch of exotics, and while we were waiting for everyone, this guy shows up on a dirt bike doing monster wheelies and endos and other cool tricks. When he stopped to chat, he showed off his broken foot which was still in a cast! The bike had the number 666 on it...
http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2003%2011%2002%20Breakfast%20and%20drive/baron5.jpg
http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2003%2011%2002%20Breakfast%20and%20drive/DSC01721.JPG
http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2003%2011%2002%20Breakfast%20and%20drive/DSC01722.JPG
http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2003%2011%2002%20Breakfast%20and%20drive/baron5.jpg
http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2003%2011%2002%20Breakfast%20and%20drive/DSC01721.JPG
http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2003%2011%2002%20Breakfast%20and%20drive/DSC01722.JPG
chernobyl
11-05-2003, 08:09 AM
tvrfreak,
Did you drive Lonman's GT2? If you did, there is video of him driving 208 mph and also beating an F50 from a stoplight drag.
oooh the link please or someone host it..please :)
Did you drive Lonman's GT2? If you did, there is video of him driving 208 mph and also beating an F50 from a stoplight drag.
oooh the link please or someone host it..please :)
mini magic
11-05-2003, 08:14 AM
its a RUF that does 208. its in the teckademics mischeif 3000 dvd. buy it here: www.teckademics.com ;)
chernobyl
11-05-2003, 09:47 AM
& the video between the F1 and F50?
teflon
11-05-2003, 10:55 AM
The videos are located on the M5board.
Chris,
Does the Ruf appear in the Mischief trailer? I never watched the actual video, but I did see the trailer. Now I can't find the video I thought was Lonman doing 200+ to confirm--I think I may have deleted it.
I searched for it on the forum for the last hour, but I just couldn't find it. Lonman posted that it was limited to 196 stock. He claims that his was modified to ~600hp and de-limited. In theory, the car should do that speed, so maybe my memory is just shot and I saw the Ruf on the Mischief trailer and thought it was Lonman's GT2 for some reason.
Chernobyl,
Perhaps you mis-read my post. I said I had video of Lonman's GT2 beating an F50, not an F1.
Greg A
Chris,
Does the Ruf appear in the Mischief trailer? I never watched the actual video, but I did see the trailer. Now I can't find the video I thought was Lonman doing 200+ to confirm--I think I may have deleted it.
I searched for it on the forum for the last hour, but I just couldn't find it. Lonman posted that it was limited to 196 stock. He claims that his was modified to ~600hp and de-limited. In theory, the car should do that speed, so maybe my memory is just shot and I saw the Ruf on the Mischief trailer and thought it was Lonman's GT2 for some reason.
Chernobyl,
Perhaps you mis-read my post. I said I had video of Lonman's GT2 beating an F50, not an F1.
Greg A
Peloton25
11-05-2003, 12:03 PM
I was going to mention this yesterday, prior to anyone mentioning Mr Kennedy's apparent driving abilities.
The ability to afford an F1, Enzo, etc - and even race in the 360 Challenge Series, is not directly related to one's ability to drive any of those vehicles at the limit.
I'm quite certain my right foot could not control the power of the F1 on a standing start launch, but I'd be willing to practice it a lot if someone would let me. :D
= = = = =
Related topic:
There's a great article that I have read from an Austrailian magazine on the F1, written during it's early development. The writer got a ride in XP3 with Gordon Murray at the wheel and they ventured out of the paddock at a British race track. Gordon hit the track, slipped the car into gear and floored the throttle. The writer was forced back into the seat as the car took off down the track. Gordon let off the throttle and proclaimed "Ok, that was sixth..." :D
>8^)
ER
The ability to afford an F1, Enzo, etc - and even race in the 360 Challenge Series, is not directly related to one's ability to drive any of those vehicles at the limit.
I'm quite certain my right foot could not control the power of the F1 on a standing start launch, but I'd be willing to practice it a lot if someone would let me. :D
= = = = =
Related topic:
There's a great article that I have read from an Austrailian magazine on the F1, written during it's early development. The writer got a ride in XP3 with Gordon Murray at the wheel and they ventured out of the paddock at a British race track. Gordon hit the track, slipped the car into gear and floored the throttle. The writer was forced back into the seat as the car took off down the track. Gordon let off the throttle and proclaimed "Ok, that was sixth..." :D
>8^)
ER
mini magic
11-05-2003, 02:54 PM
i got rid of the trailer a while ago. i have a feeling it may be for a few seconds. i think it must be still avaliabe for download somewhere on dtmpower.net, let me check. I can tell you it was definatley a RUF doing 208 (probably close to 185-190, speedometers get less accurate the quicker you go)
mini magic
11-05-2003, 03:42 PM
ok, the trailer for the gumball is here (5th vid down): http://www.dtmpower.net/download.php?op=viewdownload&cid=1&min=20&orderby=titleA&show=10 . The bad news is that its not on there. i'll do some searching. its def. on the dvd tho, i have it.
McLaren Mike
11-05-2003, 05:08 PM
= = = = =
Related topic:
There's a great article that I have read from an Austrailian magazine on the F1, written during it's early development. The writer got a ride in XP3 with Gordon Murray at the wheel and they ventured out of the paddock at a British race track. Gordon hit the track, slipped the car into gear and floored the throttle. The writer was forced back into the seat as the car took off down the track. Gordon let off the throttle and proclaimed "Ok, that was sixth..." :D
>8^)
ER
Well Well Well, and I was "wrong" about the thread "Gorden says xp3 is fastest F1". I have that mag, it was CAR magazine with a pagani zonda on the front. 200 mph club on the front. Gordon did say XP3 had a bigger 680 hp engine, ill track it down and scan it later mabey.
This mag also also has a Car wax add with a McLaren, with a subtitle something like "If its good enough for a McLaren it is good enough for you"
-Mike :smokin:
Related topic:
There's a great article that I have read from an Austrailian magazine on the F1, written during it's early development. The writer got a ride in XP3 with Gordon Murray at the wheel and they ventured out of the paddock at a British race track. Gordon hit the track, slipped the car into gear and floored the throttle. The writer was forced back into the seat as the car took off down the track. Gordon let off the throttle and proclaimed "Ok, that was sixth..." :D
>8^)
ER
Well Well Well, and I was "wrong" about the thread "Gorden says xp3 is fastest F1". I have that mag, it was CAR magazine with a pagani zonda on the front. 200 mph club on the front. Gordon did say XP3 had a bigger 680 hp engine, ill track it down and scan it later mabey.
This mag also also has a Car wax add with a McLaren, with a subtitle something like "If its good enough for a McLaren it is good enough for you"
-Mike :smokin:
mini magic
11-05-2003, 05:21 PM
the car in the wax ad is the motorcars intl/newport autosport car.
Peloton25
11-05-2003, 05:24 PM
Definitely scan the ad, I'd love to see it.
I'll give you one new photo of a silver F1 for doing it. ;) :D
>8^)
ER
I'll give you one new photo of a silver F1 for doing it. ;) :D
>8^)
ER
tvrfreak
11-05-2003, 05:25 PM
I think the same ad runs in virtually every issue of Forza. It's for a carnauba wax treatment called P21S.
The ad reads:
Costs like a million...
Ah... the mighty McLaren F1. Handmade... rare... seven figure price tag. Only the best is good enough for this baby and the rest of the exotics in this owner's collection. Why P21S*? Simple. Amazing shine with very little work, no staining of plastics and unsurpassed longevity. Who says so? Recently, an independent group carefully tested 40 waxes in all price ranges. Only P21S got an "A" overall rating and it just plain clobbered those famous, evpensive waxes. Hey, even if a million dollar exotic isn't in your immediate plans, it's good to know you can get a million dollar wax job for the "exotic" in your garage.
Looks like a million....
The company's website is www.p21s.com
The ad reads:
Costs like a million...
Ah... the mighty McLaren F1. Handmade... rare... seven figure price tag. Only the best is good enough for this baby and the rest of the exotics in this owner's collection. Why P21S*? Simple. Amazing shine with very little work, no staining of plastics and unsurpassed longevity. Who says so? Recently, an independent group carefully tested 40 waxes in all price ranges. Only P21S got an "A" overall rating and it just plain clobbered those famous, evpensive waxes. Hey, even if a million dollar exotic isn't in your immediate plans, it's good to know you can get a million dollar wax job for the "exotic" in your garage.
Looks like a million....
The company's website is www.p21s.com
Peloton25
11-05-2003, 05:52 PM
Ahh yes, that sounds familiar now.
It sounds like you could almost be the company spokes person tvrfreak. ;)
hehe
>8^)
ER
It sounds like you could almost be the company spokes person tvrfreak. ;)
hehe
>8^)
ER
tvrfreak
11-05-2003, 06:00 PM
Just had a copy handy. Not affiliated wth it in any way. I have yet to see one wax "outperform" another...!
mini magic
11-05-2003, 06:12 PM
can u still post the new silver pic? :) ;)
tvrfreak
11-05-2003, 07:45 PM
Chris, who are you talking to?
Omni Freak
11-05-2003, 07:58 PM
i cant believe that
Peloton25
11-05-2003, 08:16 PM
Chris, who are you talking to?
He's talking about the sarcastic comment I made in this post:
Definitely scan the ad, I'd love to see it.
I'll give you one new photo of a silver F1 for doing it. ;) :D
I was referring to certain people's habit here of either asking for something with a "bribe" or offering something for a price so to speak.
If I stumble upon new pictures I normally post them for all to see - no strings attached.
>8^)
ER
He's talking about the sarcastic comment I made in this post:
Definitely scan the ad, I'd love to see it.
I'll give you one new photo of a silver F1 for doing it. ;) :D
I was referring to certain people's habit here of either asking for something with a "bribe" or offering something for a price so to speak.
If I stumble upon new pictures I normally post them for all to see - no strings attached.
>8^)
ER
mini magic
11-05-2003, 08:42 PM
mini magic
11-05-2003, 08:42 PM
i'll scan the other one later
mini magic
11-05-2003, 08:48 PM
damn, i can't find it in any of my forza mags :(
Stratoraptor
11-05-2003, 08:52 PM
hotness...the first one just makes me want a 1:12 even more
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mini magic
11-05-2003, 08:59 PM
thats no model man ;)
teflon
11-06-2003, 09:14 AM
I was going to mention this yesterday, prior to anyone mentioning Mr Kennedy's apparent driving abilities.
The ability to afford an F1, Enzo, etc - and even race in the 360 Challenge Series, is not directly related to one's ability to drive any of those vehicles at the limit.
I'm quite certain my right foot could not control the power of the F1 on a standing start launch, but I'd be willing to practice it a lot if someone would let me. :D
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Peloton25,
I commented on this exact point in two different posts on the first page. I don't know anything about Dan Kennedy's driving abilities, but I said, that "money doesn't buy skill or experience." Then tvrfreak commented on Dan's lack of skill and I responded that "most of the driver's in the 360 series should not be on any track".
So, I don't understand the point of your post when we've already discussed this. It should be quite apparent that I previously declared an understanding that money has nothing to do with your ability to drive a car.
Furthermore, my friend used to work in Forumula 1 and knows a few of the drivers. He told me a story of a highly experienced veteran driver who crashed his road car while simply tooling around town. And there is Ralf who rear ended someone on the autobahn last year--I think it was last year.
Driving Ambition mentions that Mika crashed the car sent to collect him from the airport w/in 200 yards from being picked up. What am I saying? Just because someone can drive a race car and win world championships doesn't mean they're as competent in a normal car. It is almost impossible to truly gauge someone's skill and their ability to maintain concentration to avoid mistakes.
It doesn't really matter what Kennedy's skill level is. He has more experience behind the wheel of an F1 than 99% of the world. I simply took issue when Frank said the driver must have been a novice b/c a person who "raced" him claimed to have beaten him. First, it was not clear if Frank knew who the driver was, and that no one w/experience in an F1 could generate too much wheelspin on a launch. Then what do you say when John Force generates too much wheelspin on a launch at the strip? Does he then become a novice too b/c he made a mistake? We're human, we make mistakes. No one can launch a car properly 100% of the time.
Greg A
The ability to afford an F1, Enzo, etc - and even race in the 360 Challenge Series, is not directly related to one's ability to drive any of those vehicles at the limit.
I'm quite certain my right foot could not control the power of the F1 on a standing start launch, but I'd be willing to practice it a lot if someone would let me. :D
= = = = =
Peloton25,
I commented on this exact point in two different posts on the first page. I don't know anything about Dan Kennedy's driving abilities, but I said, that "money doesn't buy skill or experience." Then tvrfreak commented on Dan's lack of skill and I responded that "most of the driver's in the 360 series should not be on any track".
So, I don't understand the point of your post when we've already discussed this. It should be quite apparent that I previously declared an understanding that money has nothing to do with your ability to drive a car.
Furthermore, my friend used to work in Forumula 1 and knows a few of the drivers. He told me a story of a highly experienced veteran driver who crashed his road car while simply tooling around town. And there is Ralf who rear ended someone on the autobahn last year--I think it was last year.
Driving Ambition mentions that Mika crashed the car sent to collect him from the airport w/in 200 yards from being picked up. What am I saying? Just because someone can drive a race car and win world championships doesn't mean they're as competent in a normal car. It is almost impossible to truly gauge someone's skill and their ability to maintain concentration to avoid mistakes.
It doesn't really matter what Kennedy's skill level is. He has more experience behind the wheel of an F1 than 99% of the world. I simply took issue when Frank said the driver must have been a novice b/c a person who "raced" him claimed to have beaten him. First, it was not clear if Frank knew who the driver was, and that no one w/experience in an F1 could generate too much wheelspin on a launch. Then what do you say when John Force generates too much wheelspin on a launch at the strip? Does he then become a novice too b/c he made a mistake? We're human, we make mistakes. No one can launch a car properly 100% of the time.
Greg A
TcarR
11-06-2003, 09:20 AM
good point, but the last sentence would have sufficed. :smile:
chernobyl
11-06-2003, 09:43 AM
The videos are located on the M5board.
reason.
Chernobyl,
Perhaps you mis-read my post. I said I had video of Lonman's GT2 beating an F50, not an F1.
Greg A
Well thats cool enough for me :)
Can i have it?
reason.
Chernobyl,
Perhaps you mis-read my post. I said I had video of Lonman's GT2 beating an F50, not an F1.
Greg A
Well thats cool enough for me :)
Can i have it?
Peloton25
11-06-2003, 10:33 AM
So, I don't understand the point of your post when we've already discussed this. It should be quite apparent that I previously declared an understanding that money has nothing to do with your ability to drive a car.
It wasn't directed at you specifically. It was simply an anecdotal post for anyone who is reading here that might think once you buy a Ferrari, you are not only a "Ferrari owner", but also a "Ferrari driver". I was going to post it after this comment you made in your first post in this thread:
"The owner of this McLaren also owns an Enzo and he participated in the 360 challenge series. He has a fair amount of track experience."
...but it slipped my mind at the time so I just added it later. No harm - no foul. I realize I'm not the first person in the world to make that revelation either. It's a public message board, and anyone is free to provide their input at any time.
>8^)
ER
It wasn't directed at you specifically. It was simply an anecdotal post for anyone who is reading here that might think once you buy a Ferrari, you are not only a "Ferrari owner", but also a "Ferrari driver". I was going to post it after this comment you made in your first post in this thread:
"The owner of this McLaren also owns an Enzo and he participated in the 360 challenge series. He has a fair amount of track experience."
...but it slipped my mind at the time so I just added it later. No harm - no foul. I realize I'm not the first person in the world to make that revelation either. It's a public message board, and anyone is free to provide their input at any time.
>8^)
ER
teflon
11-06-2003, 12:05 PM
Yes, you're absolutely right. I simply misunderstood your post. My bad.
Greg A
Greg A
fselldorff
11-06-2003, 03:27 PM
Peloton25,
It doesn't really matter what Kennedy's skill level is. He has more experience behind the wheel of an F1 than 99% of the world. I simply took issue when Frank said the driver must have been a novice b/c a person who "raced" him claimed to have beaten him. First, it was not clear if Frank knew who the driver was, and that no one w/experience in an F1 could generate too much wheelspin on a launch. Then what do you say when John Force generates too much wheelspin on a launch at the strip? Does he then become a novice too b/c he made a mistake? We're human, we make mistakes. No one can launch a car properly 100% of the time.
Greg A
Greg,
You're right, I don't execute perfect launches 100% of the time either. I take pride in my aquired skill as a result of driving this car regularly and let my ego respond rather than consider all other possibilites. Driving an F1 to the limit is extremely challenging and rewarding.
BTW, another factor I forgot to mention was the significant impact of extra passengers in the car. If I don't properly account for the extra weight, it is easy to get wheel spin. an additional 200-400 pounds makes a HUGE difference. You really notice it, and as a result the rides I give always fall somewhat short of demonstrating the true performance of the car. The only way to experience that is to drive alone (which I only let a few people do).
Frank
It doesn't really matter what Kennedy's skill level is. He has more experience behind the wheel of an F1 than 99% of the world. I simply took issue when Frank said the driver must have been a novice b/c a person who "raced" him claimed to have beaten him. First, it was not clear if Frank knew who the driver was, and that no one w/experience in an F1 could generate too much wheelspin on a launch. Then what do you say when John Force generates too much wheelspin on a launch at the strip? Does he then become a novice too b/c he made a mistake? We're human, we make mistakes. No one can launch a car properly 100% of the time.
Greg A
Greg,
You're right, I don't execute perfect launches 100% of the time either. I take pride in my aquired skill as a result of driving this car regularly and let my ego respond rather than consider all other possibilites. Driving an F1 to the limit is extremely challenging and rewarding.
BTW, another factor I forgot to mention was the significant impact of extra passengers in the car. If I don't properly account for the extra weight, it is easy to get wheel spin. an additional 200-400 pounds makes a HUGE difference. You really notice it, and as a result the rides I give always fall somewhat short of demonstrating the true performance of the car. The only way to experience that is to drive alone (which I only let a few people do).
Frank
Peloton25
11-06-2003, 06:56 PM
It took me a while to dig it up, but I think this article is rather fitting here:
"The ultimate speed league" by Andrew Frankel (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3824-740012,00.html)
The article is kind of long, so I'll include the segment which is most pertinent to our discussion.
So let’s enter the world of Formula One, where cars have upwards of 200 more horsepower than the McLaren F1’s 627 and a lot less than half the weight. But, if you apply the typical pub 0 to 60mph test, they’re slower than you might think. The problem is not power but finding a way of putting it on the tarmac. I can remember the McLaren road car would not take full throttle in first gear without vaporising its rear tyres, so what a McLaren race car must be like I can scarcely imagine. Of course, they now have traction control to ensure the rear wheels don’t spin but they’re still limited by having only two-wheel drive and grooved tyres.
The result is that a typical 0 to 60mph time for a modern grand prix car is around 2.7sec, just half a second quicker than the McLaren road car. Indeed, there are many other kinds of racers, such as hillclimb cars with much larger rear tyres, or rallycross cars with all-wheel drive, that would have little trouble dispensing with a grand prix car to 60mph.
I guess if I ever had the opportunity to drive a McLaren F1, it might be best advised that I start off in second. ;)
Enjoy the read. :thumbsup:
EDIT: Once you are done with that one, read this one too:
"How fast did you say?" by Andrew Frankel (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=25&q=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5845-594739,00.html&e=747)
It's not as relevant, but to me its still interesting to hear someone from the automotive press telling the real story for a change, as opposed to simply publishing what will sell on the newsstand.
>8^)
ER
"The ultimate speed league" by Andrew Frankel (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3824-740012,00.html)
The article is kind of long, so I'll include the segment which is most pertinent to our discussion.
So let’s enter the world of Formula One, where cars have upwards of 200 more horsepower than the McLaren F1’s 627 and a lot less than half the weight. But, if you apply the typical pub 0 to 60mph test, they’re slower than you might think. The problem is not power but finding a way of putting it on the tarmac. I can remember the McLaren road car would not take full throttle in first gear without vaporising its rear tyres, so what a McLaren race car must be like I can scarcely imagine. Of course, they now have traction control to ensure the rear wheels don’t spin but they’re still limited by having only two-wheel drive and grooved tyres.
The result is that a typical 0 to 60mph time for a modern grand prix car is around 2.7sec, just half a second quicker than the McLaren road car. Indeed, there are many other kinds of racers, such as hillclimb cars with much larger rear tyres, or rallycross cars with all-wheel drive, that would have little trouble dispensing with a grand prix car to 60mph.
I guess if I ever had the opportunity to drive a McLaren F1, it might be best advised that I start off in second. ;)
Enjoy the read. :thumbsup:
EDIT: Once you are done with that one, read this one too:
"How fast did you say?" by Andrew Frankel (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=25&q=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5845-594739,00.html&e=747)
It's not as relevant, but to me its still interesting to hear someone from the automotive press telling the real story for a change, as opposed to simply publishing what will sell on the newsstand.
>8^)
ER
Peloton25
11-08-2003, 01:51 PM
Well - through the story that is passed at this link:
http://pulpracing.com/mclaren.htm
...it would seem that it wasn't Dan Kennedy driving the F1 that "lost" to the 911 Turbo at the start of this thread afterall. While it was his car, apparently someone named "Mr. C" was driving it that morning. I guess Dan loans out the McLaren to different people?? Boy would I like being his friend. :D
Anyway - that would definitely explain the car roasting it's tires as I'm sure this mysterious "Mr. C" doesn't have nearly as much seat time in the F1 as Dan would have.
>8^)
ER
http://pulpracing.com/mclaren.htm
...it would seem that it wasn't Dan Kennedy driving the F1 that "lost" to the 911 Turbo at the start of this thread afterall. While it was his car, apparently someone named "Mr. C" was driving it that morning. I guess Dan loans out the McLaren to different people?? Boy would I like being his friend. :D
Anyway - that would definitely explain the car roasting it's tires as I'm sure this mysterious "Mr. C" doesn't have nearly as much seat time in the F1 as Dan would have.
>8^)
ER
chernobyl
11-08-2003, 02:01 PM
Cmon..someone rip the video for me please :)
Gustav
11-16-2003, 04:41 PM
What did he write?
Santa Ana Winds + Dry Timber = Big Fires. Orange sky from the smoke and ash
[note: November 12th. I heard 2nd hand that the Owner of The Car apparently didn't want the photos and story on the net, so I removed them]
Well - through the story that is passed at this link:
http://pulpracing.com/mclaren.htm
...it would seem that it wasn't Dan Kennedy driving the F1 that "lost" to the 911 Turbo at the start of this thread afterall. While it was his car, apparently someone named "Mr. C" was driving it that morning. I guess Dan loans out the McLaren to different people?? Boy would I like being his friend. :D
Anyway - that would definitely explain the car roasting it's tires as I'm sure this mysterious "Mr. C" doesn't have nearly as much seat time in the F1 as Dan would have.
>8^)
ER
Santa Ana Winds + Dry Timber = Big Fires. Orange sky from the smoke and ash
[note: November 12th. I heard 2nd hand that the Owner of The Car apparently didn't want the photos and story on the net, so I removed them]
Well - through the story that is passed at this link:
http://pulpracing.com/mclaren.htm
...it would seem that it wasn't Dan Kennedy driving the F1 that "lost" to the 911 Turbo at the start of this thread afterall. While it was his car, apparently someone named "Mr. C" was driving it that morning. I guess Dan loans out the McLaren to different people?? Boy would I like being his friend. :D
Anyway - that would definitely explain the car roasting it's tires as I'm sure this mysterious "Mr. C" doesn't have nearly as much seat time in the F1 as Dan would have.
>8^)
ER
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