Suit up Fratboy
em42
11-03-2003, 07:31 AM
Chicken hawks are defined as creatures who belligerently advocate violent military solutions to political problems, but who dodged opportunities to serve in uniform during wartime. For example:
George W. Bush - Dubya lied repeatedly in the 2000 campaign about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard. The truth is that his family's influence got him into the Guard, jumping over about 100,000 men on the waiting list. Once in, he disappeared from duty - in military jargon, he went AWOL (http://www.awolbush.com). And, documents show that he fibbed when he claimed he volunteered for overseas duty - he specifically refused to volunteer.
San Francisco Chronicle 2003
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There are some who feel that if they attack us we may decide to leave (Iraq) prematurely.......My answer is, bring 'em on.
George W Bush 7-2-03
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Missile Hits U.S. Copter in Iraq; 16 Dead
Washingtonpost.com
November 3, 2003
FALLUJAH, Iraq - A U.S. Army CH-47 Chinook transport helicopter packed with soldiers headed for a short-term break was hit with a missile and crashed in a field west of Baghdad on Sunday morning, killing 16 soldiers and wounding 20 others in the deadliest single attack on American forces since they invaded Iraq, military officials and witnesses said.
The shoulder-fired missile streaked through a clear blue sky and struck the dual-rotor helicopter in its rear around 9 a.m. as it was ferrying soldiers from bases in western Iraq to Baghdad's international airport. The impact sparked an explosion and a fire in midair....Everyone on board was killed or injured, many of them severely...One witness said he saw a soldier whose legs were on fire crawling away from the crash site with his hands.
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If You Start War, You Should Fight War
By John Nichols
October 30, 2003
Tim O'Brien - acclaimed author and Vietnam veteran - has some firm ideas about the duty of political leaders in a time of war.
Recalling that traditionally, those who declare war then lead the troops into battle, O'Brien recommends that President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and members of Congress ought to ship out to Iraq, or ship their children off to the front lines.
The prospect that presidents, vice presidents, defense secretaries and members of Congress might - along with their loved ones - be suiting up for combat would lend a very different flavor to the discourse over the war in Iraq.
I was struck by the notion that the debate would take an even more interesting turn if the executives of defense contractors and their economic children - investors in those firms - also headed for the front lines.
Just think of it. Halliburton lands a hefty contract in Iraq, and the CEO of the company gets to lead a platoon of stockholders into battle. Bechtel accepts a check from the Pentagon, and all the executive vice presidents trade their suits and ties for fatigues.
The concept is not a new one. During World War I, U.S. Sen. Robert M. La Follette, U.S. Rep. Victor Berger, and other Wisconsin members of Congress who opposed that war cried out for sanctions against the war profiteers, whose noisy support for that war was matched only by their enthusiasm for the economic largesse it brought them.
La Follette, Berger and other Midwestern progressive populists crusaded against the munitions merchants who, they argued, lobbied for war not because it was necessary but because it was profitable.
The fiercest critic of the profiteers was A.C. Townley, the most prominent organizer of the North Dakota Non-Partisan League, which, like the Wisconsin Progressive movement and the Minnesota Farmer-Labor movement, challenged big business at home and military adventurism abroad.
"If profiteering is permitted, we are working not to beat the enemy, but to make more multi-millionaires," argued Townley, who proposed taking first the profits and then the assets of munitions makers to pay for the war.
In June 1917 Townley asked a crowd at Buffalo Lake, N.D., "Who started this war? I will tell you who started this war. It was the big-bellied, red-necked plutocrats. And I will tell you how to stop this war. Place those plutocrats in the line of battle. They would take care of their precious bodies by seeing that U.S. participation in this war were brought to a close."
True words in 1917. Truer still in 2003.
© Capital Newspapers
George W. Bush - Dubya lied repeatedly in the 2000 campaign about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard. The truth is that his family's influence got him into the Guard, jumping over about 100,000 men on the waiting list. Once in, he disappeared from duty - in military jargon, he went AWOL (http://www.awolbush.com). And, documents show that he fibbed when he claimed he volunteered for overseas duty - he specifically refused to volunteer.
San Francisco Chronicle 2003
-----
There are some who feel that if they attack us we may decide to leave (Iraq) prematurely.......My answer is, bring 'em on.
George W Bush 7-2-03
-----
Missile Hits U.S. Copter in Iraq; 16 Dead
Washingtonpost.com
November 3, 2003
FALLUJAH, Iraq - A U.S. Army CH-47 Chinook transport helicopter packed with soldiers headed for a short-term break was hit with a missile and crashed in a field west of Baghdad on Sunday morning, killing 16 soldiers and wounding 20 others in the deadliest single attack on American forces since they invaded Iraq, military officials and witnesses said.
The shoulder-fired missile streaked through a clear blue sky and struck the dual-rotor helicopter in its rear around 9 a.m. as it was ferrying soldiers from bases in western Iraq to Baghdad's international airport. The impact sparked an explosion and a fire in midair....Everyone on board was killed or injured, many of them severely...One witness said he saw a soldier whose legs were on fire crawling away from the crash site with his hands.
-----
If You Start War, You Should Fight War
By John Nichols
October 30, 2003
Tim O'Brien - acclaimed author and Vietnam veteran - has some firm ideas about the duty of political leaders in a time of war.
Recalling that traditionally, those who declare war then lead the troops into battle, O'Brien recommends that President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and members of Congress ought to ship out to Iraq, or ship their children off to the front lines.
The prospect that presidents, vice presidents, defense secretaries and members of Congress might - along with their loved ones - be suiting up for combat would lend a very different flavor to the discourse over the war in Iraq.
I was struck by the notion that the debate would take an even more interesting turn if the executives of defense contractors and their economic children - investors in those firms - also headed for the front lines.
Just think of it. Halliburton lands a hefty contract in Iraq, and the CEO of the company gets to lead a platoon of stockholders into battle. Bechtel accepts a check from the Pentagon, and all the executive vice presidents trade their suits and ties for fatigues.
The concept is not a new one. During World War I, U.S. Sen. Robert M. La Follette, U.S. Rep. Victor Berger, and other Wisconsin members of Congress who opposed that war cried out for sanctions against the war profiteers, whose noisy support for that war was matched only by their enthusiasm for the economic largesse it brought them.
La Follette, Berger and other Midwestern progressive populists crusaded against the munitions merchants who, they argued, lobbied for war not because it was necessary but because it was profitable.
The fiercest critic of the profiteers was A.C. Townley, the most prominent organizer of the North Dakota Non-Partisan League, which, like the Wisconsin Progressive movement and the Minnesota Farmer-Labor movement, challenged big business at home and military adventurism abroad.
"If profiteering is permitted, we are working not to beat the enemy, but to make more multi-millionaires," argued Townley, who proposed taking first the profits and then the assets of munitions makers to pay for the war.
In June 1917 Townley asked a crowd at Buffalo Lake, N.D., "Who started this war? I will tell you who started this war. It was the big-bellied, red-necked plutocrats. And I will tell you how to stop this war. Place those plutocrats in the line of battle. They would take care of their precious bodies by seeing that U.S. participation in this war were brought to a close."
True words in 1917. Truer still in 2003.
© Capital Newspapers
YogsVR4
11-03-2003, 10:46 AM
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Toksin
11-03-2003, 01:59 PM
I agree with Dave. The point of this thread is......?
TexasF355F1
11-03-2003, 02:13 PM
:disappoin Take it to the political forums troll.
LOL, and thanks for showing no worthy opinion, just pre written articles :rolleyes:
LOL, and thanks for showing no worthy opinion, just pre written articles :rolleyes:
slave
11-03-2003, 07:36 PM
WTF? Can I shoot things?
Jay!
11-03-2003, 08:07 PM
Thread moved.
taranaki
11-04-2003, 01:18 AM
How odd.A newbie turns up at a car forum,and starts cut/pasting political opinions.Are you a car enthusiast,or just here to stir up the patriots for your own amusement?
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