Identifying Help!

sorry to make another thread but i figgured there are a bunch of pix so i may as well. Can anyone shed some light on these cars?



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???? http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637871-mini%20magica.jpg

Selldoffs? http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1638274-mini%20magica.jpg

no idea http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637871-mini%20magicc.jpg

Ralph Lauren? Laurence Strohl? http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637878-mini%20magica.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637878-mini%20magicb.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637894-mini%20magica.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637894-mini%20magicb.jpg

No clue whatsoever: http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637901-mini%20magica.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637901-mini%20magicb.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637901-mini%20magicc.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637907-mini%20magica.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637907-mini%20magicb.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637907-mini%20magicc.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-9-30/1637907-mini%20magicd.jpg


Thanks in advance :)

I know the pictures from the racetrack are of Herb Chambers' car. The giveaway is the
"Herb Chambers Motorcars" plate on the back. Only someone from Massachusetts would
know it. The track is New Hampshire Int'l.

The black one could be 007. The dashboard is close to the right color. That's not our shop, however.

Anyway you could resize that image down? Scrolling to the right is such a PITA.

yeah sure. thanks for the info on chambers' car. Do we have a chassis # yet?

Edit: it is almost definatley not magnesium silver. either base silver or special silver. i'm pretty sure its not mercedes brilliant either

Well looking at the number plate it is a P, which in the Uk means Aug 96 to Aug 97. Therefore, unless it has been resprayed, it has to be magnesium or mercedes brilliant silver. (i never thought i'd write mercedes and brilliant in the same sentence. Opps, i've gone and done it again.)

hehe. it could be merc. brilliant, but i'm almost sure its not magnesium silver

well if it is MBS, which i think it is, then it's probably 070. I could be 049 provided it wasn't registered until a few months after it was built.

'96 to '97, magnesium silvers and merc. brilliants: #47, #49, #50, #57 (theres also #55, which is Ralph Laurens). If it indeed is Mercedes Brilliant Silver, then Herb Chambers McLaren is chassis #49.

'96 to '97, magnesium silvers and merc. brilliants: #47, #49, #50, #57, #62, #63, #66, #68, #70. The only ones that are Mercedes Brilliant are #49 and #70. #49s a '96 and #70s a '97. (In that list, I left out cars in which we know the owner, such as Ellison's and Musk's)

BTW: mini_magic, thanks for posting the pics, i hadn't seen any of them before :smile:

mini, what makes you so sure its not magnesium silver?

its not on the s&d list if that helps. so it is an ameritech mclaren for sure

its not on the s&d list if that helps. so it is an ameritech mclaren for sure

does that narrow it down at all?

not really ;)

whats the difference between the silvers? I'm quessing it goes , from darkest to lightest, Dark Silver then Magnesium silver then MBS. Is that right? oh, and where does base silver fit in?

yes, it goes like that. there is really no difference between special and base silver

I've given up on guessing about any silver F1. Unless the photo comes with the info of an owner, or chassis number, I really don't think it's possible to guess or use the process of elimination very effectively. Also, depending on lighting and also the camera taking the photo, the same silver color can look very different. If I have the white balance set to indoor -vs- outdoor on my digital, it creates a drastic difference in the colors that come through on the photo.

I didn't know that the car on the track infield was Chamber's F1 (thanks Drew!!) but I have to say that I don't understand why it wears that UK plate. The other photos I have seen of his car don't show it wearing a UK plate or even any front plate that I recall.

I do believe that the black F1 is Selldorff's, but I think that photo was taken at either the ICI who brought it in to the US, or possibly could have come from before the car made it here. Hard to speculate on that though. The fact that the tires are covered in a white powder substance suggest to me that the photo was taken in a bodyshop.

>8^)
ER

Herb's definitely appears to be more white than magnesium silver to me. It also appears to be whiter than base silver, meaning it can't be one of the two. I think right now it's narrowed down to #49 or #70. If you want to compare it against magnesium, I've got the links to the pics here so you can do so: Herb Chambers' car (the famous pic w/ him next to it) (http://a2.cpimg.com/image/44/54/16938052-7bd1-016000EF-.jpg)

and #65, the former park lane car (http://files.automotiveforums.com/attaches/52605/27793.attach) (sorry that has circles around the mirrors, you can tell it came from the thread "the mclaren on park lane is an early one". I picked it because that pic shows the color very well, it seems like the glass isn't even there!)

yeah, silver is a right PITA. It dosn't look that great either.

i'm pretty sure its chassis #070. Btw, that isn't him next to it ;)


I can also say with 95% certainty that its not #049, just leave it that. You have to trust me with this one

I'm positive it's mercedes brilliant now, have a look at Selldorff's #68 in that color: http://www.racecarnewmedia.com/duncanhamilton/imagegallery/twentysignificantcars/picture09.jpg Now we just need to find out if it's 70 or 49. mini_magic, what is the source of your information?

i can tell you its not mercedes silver, i've seen that color and its not. i've given up. ur on your own now. Good luck ;)

Wow, superb observation! :sly:

haha lol.


btw, anyone like a nice pic of #065, taken your yours truly ;) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-2/1646544-mini%20magica.jpg

compare chassis #070 (mercedes brilliant silver): http://www.autosalon-singen.de/mclaren/McLaren_F1_08980_0027_03_02_01.jpg

to a magnesium silver car:

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/McLaren/McLaren_F1_08980_0023_03_02_01.jpg

Well IMO,

these two cars are illuminated differently !

So, If you look the clear part you can say it mercedes silver, if you look the dark part you can say, it's magnesium silver ...

i think they are different colours but i don't think the bottom one is magnesium, it looks too dark.

So your saying this is #70:http://www.autosalon-singen.de/mclaren/McLaren_F1_08980_0027_03_02_01.jpg?

thats what i said, correct

i think they are different colours but i don't think the bottom one is magnesium, it looks too dark.
yes, thats true, i only got 7 hours of sleep last night so i wan't really focused.

thats what i said, correct
Then how could Herb's be #70? I didn't hear about it being for sale, and I think if it was for sale, he wouldn't send it all the way to germany...

herb's may not be #070 ;)

Chambers car is #044.

:eek: it looks like one of the greatest mysteries here has been solved! But gerd, how can you be so sure? I mean you know like who owns every car. Whats your secret?
If gerd is right, I don't think we could have solved this one without him. I thought it was mercedes brilliant, which it's not, and I thought it was a '96 or a '97, which it's not. It's a 1995 in base silver.
Look how drastically the color changes when it's indoors: http://world.std.com/~jeh/mf1_f.gif

actually, i think the greatest mysteries include, where are the lm's? where is the other gt, how many cars the sultan has/had etc

I don't have much to offer in terms of locating F1's, but the third LM is in the NE U.S.

Greg A

Btw, that isn't him next to it ;)

So, are you saying that it's a male model?

Selldorf LM VIN: SASAB5A6277048LM3

So, are you saying that it's a male model?
ummm, no... http://world.std.com/~jeh/mf1.htm

:rofl: :lol2: :grinno: :screwy: :loser:

This is Herb Chambers:

http://a2.cpimg.com/image/44/54/16938052-7bd1-016000EF-.jpg

This is Jim Hayes:

http://world.std.com/~jeh/mf1_r.gif

You thought the old guy was Herb?? Too funny man!!

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EDIT: His website even offers a close up now:

http://a0.cpimg.com/image/12/08/25562130-435a-017C00F3-.jpg

Hi Herb :wave:

>8^)
ER

This is the first time I have seen the Jim Hayes photo. McLaren F1 Guy had posted a link to the famous Chambers photo. Then two posts later mini magic posts a message about that's not him. Then I post something about male models.... yadayadayada I've now got a headache.

Anyone else think that Herb looks like Dick Clark or Chuck Woolery?? :D

>8^)
ER

Yeah, I could imagine him saying "Happy New Year!!!" :lol2: