95 ex h22 swap

i messed up my stock engine, and am gonna swap to an h22a. how much of a gain should i expect on my times 0-60 and 1/4? oh what components that are on my stock (f20 i think) engine (headers intake exhaust ignition spark plugs) will fit onto the new one?

You can get entire H22A swaps for about $2300, including starter, pump, etc, etc, etc. Why bother with finding out what fits? Just get it all with the engine.

dude im talking about all the aftermarket parts that i listed

dude im talking about all the aftermarket parts that i listed


What aftermarket items did you list? I don't see any aftermarket items in your post. You have a stock engine in your 95 Accord EX (which is the F22B1 VTec). You want to use the current header (don't think that'll work going from SOHC to DOHC), intake, exhaust, ignition, etc.

If your header, intake, exhaust, ignition, etc is AFTERMARKET -- SAY SO !!!!!! We can't read minds. All I see is the word STOCK in your post.

Edit your post, and try this again.

oh what components that are on my stock (f20 i think) engine (headers intake exhaust ignition spark plugs) will fit onto the new one?

I see the parts he listed........


anyway.......exhaust and spark plugs will work for sure. Ignition i would say most likely work. Header is almost definatly a no and intake i would say 50/50. Please keep in mind i have never done this swap so im not positive.

I have a 95 EX and I just finished doing a GReddy header and cat back on mine and the paperwork that came with the header says it fits
1994-97 Acura Integra GSR 1.8L DOHC VTEC
1994-97 Honda accord EX 2.2L SOHC VTEC
1992-96 Honda Prelude Si 2.2L DOHC VTEC

so the bolt pattern SHOULD fit the H23a. I don't know if it is the same for the H22

i thought the prelude si was the h22a and the h23a was the non vtec one..but i'm not too sure. anyone know?

i messed up my stock engine, and am gonna swap to an h22a. how much of a gain should i expect on my times 0-60 and 1/4? oh what components that are on my stock (f20 i think) engine (headers intake exhaust ignition spark plugs) will fit onto the new one?

Exhaust is about the only thing that will work because that is somethin that is angled to fit your Accords undercarriage. Your spark plugs are gapped slightly different than the ones that are for the H22. Your ignition? The H22 comes with a distrubitor and chances are your Accord one won't work on the H22. If your talking MSD or another aftermarket one, yes it will will work on either application. Intake? Ideally you should use the one for the Prelude as the Diameter is slightly larger than the one for the Accord and that just really depends on the manufacturer. The Accord intake will route in your engine compartment better than the Prelude one, as it has a stronger angle leaving the throttle body. The header from your Accord will NOT work on the the H22.

Something you have to keep in mind when doing the H22 swap is that you need to start looking at parts for that year of Prelude when ordering them for that engine. Secondly don't think for a moment that just cause some of your old Accord engine parts will work, that you should use them. The H22 is built to take more air in and push more out, by using the Accord parts you can and will be constricting the H22's capabilities. There is alot more to a DOHC than a SOHC.

How much should you gain by swapping in the H22? Well that will depend on if your still trying to use Accord parts or not. Also depends on how well you can really drive your car. Ideally a good straight swap will take you from 17 second 1/4's to atleast 15's. When you start building up your H22 then you will continually lessen the time. Its a long road brotha, trust me! Be patient and be wise!

Peace
~J

i thought the prelude si was the h22a and the h23a was the non vtec one..but i'm not too sure. anyone know?

The Prelude Si is non-VTEC = H23

what would the differences in performance be between doing a swap and getting a turbo kit on my current engine? I'd be able to keep all my aftermarket components if i got a turbo. it turns out my engine wasn't as bad as i thought it was -it was hydrolocked and i thought i lost a few mpg but i really hadn't. would i be able to install a kit myself? does anyone know good sites for turbos, i was looking online for kits for f22's but couldn't really find any

Call up www.jacksonracing.com and ask them if they ever figured out the supercharger for the Accord. Damn you Honda for making the intake so tight!

40% more power at all RPMs!!

i don't think i want a supercharger. will getting a turbo kit (a moderate kit - nothing more than 2500$) on my f22 be more power than switching to an h22?

I have never been in an H22 Accord, nor a turbo Accord... but here are some things I have read from other people that you should consider.

If you go with a turbo on the F22, that's it. Aside from changing some of the internals of the engine, you are maxed with your speed. Sure, you could make the car lighter by ripping out the back seat, etc, but that's that. If you put that same money into an H22, you are just beginning. Then imagine upgrading the H22's internals, putting a turbo on an H22.

The gearing in the Accord is so quick, I just don't see how a turbo would help until you are already in 3rd. If your Accord was anything like mine (why wouldn't it be), you already have a car that goes 0-60 in 8 seconds in 2nd gear. At redline, you should be going about 35 at your first shift, and throwing it into 2nd, you only have about 4.5 seconds before your next shift. I haven't been in a car with a turbo for some time, but I remember that it didn't kick in until 4500 (for a Shelby) or so. If you put a turbo on an F22 Accord where it kicks in at 4500 rpm, you will only be using it for 22-32 mph, 45-60 mph, 70-95, etc.

If you put an H22 in, you will have the extra power and torque almost everywhere. I have heard that H22 Accords can compete with V6 Mustangs, so you are looking at 0-60 times in the 6's. Not only do you have the extra HP in a broader RPM range, but you have more torque, which means your car will accelerate faster with other people in the car, with a full tank, with stuff in the trunk, with a bike rack on the roof, with a trailer in tow.

I assume that today's turbos still have to warm up and cool down like they used to. I don't know about you, but I never enjoyed sitting in the car for a few minutes after I got to my destination letting the turbo cool down.

One more thing to think about. The life of an H22 is MUCH, MUCH longer than the life of a turbo. By the time you are rebuilding or replacing your turbo for your F22, you could be adding your first turbo on an H22 -- for the same money.

Now, I say all this with little knowledge of today's turbos. I haven't messed with turbo for 8 years. Maybe turbos these days don't need to cool down. Maybe today's turbos last longer than 10000 miles. I just don't know.

what would the differences in performance be between doing a swap and getting a turbo kit on my current engine? I'd be able to keep all my aftermarket components if i got a turbo. it turns out my engine wasn't as bad as i thought it was -it was hydrolocked and i thought i lost a few mpg but i really hadn't. would i be able to install a kit myself? does anyone know good sites for turbos, i was looking online for kits for f22's but couldn't really find any


Virtually the same stuff that I said that wouldnt work with the H22 will not work with your turbo either. Header - Gone! Injectors- you need bigger ones, spark plugs- your going to want to upgrade to something thats going to last, and with that said an upgrade to your ignition, i.e. aftermarket.

Ideally you need to decide what you want versus what you are willing to sacrifice.. I'm sure most can agree with me when I say this, but we all generally want the next best thing and when we half-ass it just to have it, then comes a day when we wished we had waited and done it right, because now we are redoing what we half-asses..

If you turbo your F22; thats it.. Now when you wnat more you can't have it, now you've invested thousands of dollars to find out you still want more, and now you either live with it, or you dump that money down the drain, and start over. Do it right the first time!!!

Peace!
~J

more or less in the end you're going to wind up selling off your old parts and getting some new ones, it'll be more money to spend, but you'll get the best gains and such from doing this.

- Nathan

okay if i got a turbo couldn't i work on my engine to make it so that i can increase my boost? i don't really think i would go and get a turbo if i got an h22, and i can't find auto h22's, plus i'd have to pay someone to install my h22 v. installing a turbo myself.

okay if i got a turbo couldn't i work on my engine to make it so that i can increase my boost? i don't really think i would go and get a turbo if i got an h22, and i can't find auto h22's, plus i'd have to pay someone to install my h22 v. installing a turbo myself.

Ricky's Auto Center in Miami, FL currently has TWO JDM H22As, with all sensors, OBD 1 dist, auto tranny, ECU, and your intake/exhaust manifold.

They are asking under $2K for them. It took me all of 20 seconds to find these engines, and I'm sure I could find more if I searched another 20 seconds, so I'm not sure why you can't find any.

How much time would you be spending installing the turbo? Could you not work overtime for that same amount of time, to help pay someone to install the H22A?

This is your one and only chance to get the H22A without throwing away money (that you previously spent on the turbo for the F22A). You are looking at almost the same amount of money right? So, you have two options. Spend the money on the turbo, only to park your car in the possibilities of future upgrades. Or, spend the money o the H22A and just begin a cross-country trip of nearly endless possibilities to make it faster.

And as far as installing a turbo, if you can do that by yourself you definately can do an engine swap. If you need to know how I can teach you...

Peace
~J

And as far as installing a turbo, if you can do that by yourself you definately can do an engine swap. If you need to know how I can teach you...

Peace
~J

I'd agree. I'm guessing that his biggest fear is the equipment (such as an engine hoist) or cracking the bolts, which can be the most difficult part of an engine swap... lol.

Most cities have some type of rental shop. I live in a tiny town of 28,000, and our rental shop rents engine lifts (delivered and picked up) for $20 a day, or $80 a week. Can't beat that.

i have only talked to one shop and am mostly looking on ebay. does this shop have a website? is 2G a real good find or could i expect to find more that are closer to mass at that price? Is an engine swap possible for someone w/ very limited mech skills? i'm decent with my hands, just don't know my way around an engine that great. the car place near me said around 800 for the install. can i put my current auto trans on an h22?

i have only talked to one shop and am mostly looking on ebay. does this shop have a website? is 2G a real good find or could i expect to find more that are closer to mass at that price? Is an engine swap possible for someone w/ very limited mech skills? i'm decent with my hands, just don't know my way around an engine that great. the car place near me said around 800 for the install. can i put my current auto trans on an h22?


Bro, I'm tellin you this swap is easy, if you can follow instructions and look at pictures, you will be fine.. If you spend $800 dollars to do the swap you need to be shot. Not literally but you know what I mean!

As far as the transmission, chuck the hold one, sell it, throw it off a bridge, whatever just don't use it. The gear ratio's are different between the two and the F22 tranny cannot hold all the torque the H22 creates. Granted it will fit, but why? Its like using cardboard to wipe your ass, yea it will work but why when Charmin is a perfect match....

I know your trying to be a salvage monkey, but your better off putting the shit on ebay... You'll make some of your money back that way and won't feel like you went way in the hole. Selling an F22 and or the tranny, is like selling your moms underwear, people just don't want it and thats the truth. It took me a year to sell my F22 and all the little shit, people want H22's, B16's, B18's and the occasional ZC, F22's are useless in the import world. They are a big engine, but those that could use the F22 will generally go with an H22, and those with Civic's and Integras will go with the others, and if they are gonna pay to swap a 2.2. in there ride, they are definately going to go with the H22.. Fact not Fiction!!

If you need more help with the swap, or maybe want to get a better idea, you may look into what's in my signature. I think you'll be fine to do it.

- Nathan

do you mean that cd rom?

Yes! Or you can hit me up sometime and I can send you some instructions...

Has anyone in here actually been to Japan? I'll bet anything that most of the JDM engines that are imported come from taxis... from drivers who drive the hell out of the engines in start-stop traffic. Of course, most of you guys that want H22s are going to do the same thing to them... lol... so maybe it doesn't matter.

Has anyone in here actually been to Japan? I'll bet anything that most of the JDM engines that are imported come from taxis... from drivers who drive the hell out of the engines in start-stop traffic. Of course, most of you guys that want H22s are going to do the same thing to them... lol... so maybe it doesn't matter.


I have been to Japan, actually spent 2 years in Korea and respectively made many short visits to Japan. I don't recall seeing Accords being used as Taxi's. Taking a Litmus test, one would assume that they wouldn't use a luxury car per say to complete the duties and demands of a taxi servicing vehicle. Most cabs use an off brand car that is cheap as shit but fairly dependable. How else could you make money? If they were going to choose to have a contract with Honda, they would use Civics, as they are a more economical car. In any case they are probably using something much cheaper than Honda for those type of services.


Good observation though, 10 point for the thought...:) O points for Accuracy! :)

Peace
~J

Back when I was in Japan, there were a ton of Accord taxis. I remember it very clearly, because I had recently purchased mine, and all my friends thought I was the $hit, and in Japan, I would have been a "taxi driver."

When talking to my mechanic about putting a JDM in my car, he advised against it for those reasons, and then I remembered what I had seen years ago.

I was just wondering if anyone else had thought about it. It may not be that way anymore.

Back when I was in Japan, there were a ton of Accord taxis. I remember it very clearly, because I had recently purchased mine, and all my friends thought I was the $hit, and in Japan, I would have been a "taxi driver."

When talking to my mechanic about putting a JDM in my car, he advised against it for those reasons, and then I remembered what I had seen years ago.

I was just wondering if anyone else had thought about it. It may not be that way anymore.

I spent time in, Okinowa, Tokyo and Yakota, never saw one Accord. But in any case you saw some, somewhere but I can guarantee you that the Accords that were supposedly used did not have H22's in them. Seeing that H22's came in the SIR trim level of the Accord, you can count that out. Any argument otherwise, you will have to prove that brotha!!

Peace
~J

Bro, I'm tellin you this swap is easy, if you can follow instructions and look at pictures, you will be fine.. If you spend $800 dollars to do the swap you need to be shot. Not literally but you know what I mean!

As far as the transmission, chuck the hold one, sell it, throw it off a bridge, whatever just don't use it. The gear ratio's are different between the two and the F22 tranny cannot hold all the torque the H22 creates. Granted it will fit, but why? Its like using cardboard to wipe your ass, yea it will work but why when Charmin is a perfect match....

Do you know how to do the auto to manual conversion too? I need to know for when I do my swap. :smile:

Do you know how to do the auto to manual conversion too? I need to know for when I do my swap. :smile:


Here ya go!! Thsi should help you out! http://www.extremeredline.net/accord/automanual.html

Peace~
~J

Here ya go!! Thsi should help you out! http://www.extremeredline.net/accord/automanual.html

Peace~
~J
Thanks man!! It seems a bit over my head though. I think I'll try to enlist some help. I've never welded before. Do you know anyone in NC or the Charlotte area that you would recommend?