Acura RSX vs. 03' Mustang GT?

k, my friend's being wierd and says that a Mustang GT can easily waste an Acura RSX. No shit, right? Well then I tell him that there's a $7,000 price difference there, so he can't really talk. I told him that if you add $7,000 worth of shit to an RSX, it can easily be as fast as that GT, but he's smoking or something and says no.

Now a RSX w/ $7,000 vs. a STOCK Mustang GT??? C'mon..it's a pretty even match, right? My friend's like, "No, that GT will waste your dumb rice burner NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU ADD TO IT..." and goes off telling his stupid muscle loyalty stories.

I'm not too much into muscle, so I don't really know how fast a stock GT is. We kinda got $100 on this, so you ppl can replay ASAP!

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47794

Some of those guys haven't spent 7,000-dollars on their cars yet.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47794

Some of those guys haven't spent 7,000-dollars on their cars yet.


:werd:


A RSX Type S will be more than a match for the Mustang stock for stock. Given that they're both moderate drivers.

k, my friend's being wierd and says that a Mustang GT can easily waste an Acura RSX. No shit, right? Well then I tell him that there's a $7,000 price difference there, so he can't really talk. I told him that if you add $7,000 worth of shit to an RSX, it can easily be as fast as that GT, but he's smoking or something and says no.

Now a RSX w/ $7,000 vs. a STOCK Mustang GT??? C'mon..it's a pretty even match, right? My friend's like, "No, that GT will waste your dumb rice burner NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU ADD TO IT..." and goes off telling his stupid muscle loyalty stories.

I'm not too much into muscle, so I don't really know how fast a stock GT is. We kinda got $100 on this, so you ppl can replay ASAP!

LOL you friend wouldent be BANDITV8 would it? heh just came to mind

My friend says his car is faster, and I say no my car is faster.....Blah, Blah, Blah.....

I'm really getting sick of all this crap!
Someone will always be faster then the next guy!

Internet racing is crap, go out and find out.

And besides, he is right. Stock for stock the 99+ GTs WILL kill an Acura RSX, even the Type S. Itll take more than basic bolt ons if you want to beat one. And a $7k price difference? What the hell are the RSX's going for? GTs can be bought for 22k, not to mention the price can be brought down even more with rebates and a little haggling. Arent the Type S stickered at $21k? :dunno: How much is the base model?

How the hell much does a Mustang cost? I thought GT's were CHEAPER than RSX-S's. Maybe you're talking about a base RSX?

But $7,000 in mods in an RSX, even a base RSX, should kill a stock GT. I'm talking murder.

I dont know what the whole point of this conversation is? :screwy:

A stock Mustnag Gt would walk an RSX type S. I really dont care if nobody believes me, but i've seen it done...many times! Now...put 7 grand into a Type S and you will walk the Stang...all day long, but making those kinda comparisons are dumb, because it defeats the purpose of a stock vs stock race. :banghead:

If the car you choose to buy is slower than another can...tough sh!t...that's your problem.


Scoob Doo

any stock RSX in any trim will get either raped or walked by a stang GT. a RSX type S cost more then a Stang GT. a base model cost slightly less. $7000 in a base model RSX done right should run low 13's.

why do you guys keep saying that a GT is cheaper than an RSX....the cheapest new GT i've ever seen was over 28K....most run around 30K


lets keep the used cars out of this btw because if we get into that a bunch of other cars will be brought in

why do you guys keep saying that a GT is cheaper than an RSX....the cheapest new GT i've ever seen was over 28K....most run around 30K


lets keep the used cars out of this btw because if we get into that a bunch of other cars will be brought in
Those must be some seriously over priced GT's? A 03 base line GT can be had for $22k, and Deluxe 03 GT for $24.5K. Even the current 04 GT's in show rooms can be had for $24k to $26k, depending on options. And these are just sticker prices, who knows what you can get them down to with a little haggling. Now for $28K, you are getting into the Mach 1. I've even looked at an 03 Mach 1, sticker price was $28.5k. 03 SVT Cobra $35k, I even believe there's a member here who bought one for $30k.

Those must be some seriously over priced GT's? A 03 base line GT can be had for $22k, and Deluxe 03 GT for $24.5K. Even the current 04 GT's in show rooms can be had for $24k to $26k, depending on options. And these are just sticker prices, who knows what you can get them down to with a little haggling. Now for $28K, you are getting into the Mach 1. I've even looked at an 03 Mach 1, sticker price was $28.5k. 03 SVT Cobra $35k, I even believe there's a member here who bought one for $30k.


Im sorry to say but anything 25k+ would be spent on a true performance car by real tuners. Say a good condition tt supra or evo or sti. Then again most people cant afford one because there still learining the basics of life and havent experiance the job world yet, AKA Real World( no not mtv). Why didnt I get one instead of my spyder? Well first of all I like the 2g sporty body style and the turbo,convertible package is suitable and tuneable(2nd most aftermarket availability right behind honda, but with more hp to boot). Then again after 3k of engine work (turbo upgrade,boltons, and fuel management ive spent 20k total 17k for the car and 3k in engine mods. Then itll be that cobra,tt supra,evo,sti posting a death by spyder eclipse. Note mustang GT'swith 3 grand wont touch most dsms or most tuneable imports with the same amount of $$$$ in it(excluding the SVT cobra=evil with 3k mods).

Those must be some seriously over priced GT's?
It's a matter of where you live prices vary. For instance in Newport News, VA where living costs are relatively cheap I've seen two SRT-10 Vipers there for sale at $83,000. Now go up to somewhere in Northern Virginia like Vienna and that same car may go for $85,000.

damn new gt verts can be bought for 27k and regular for around 25k. And a base can be bought for around 20k. And slightly used for around 15-17k. New rsx's run around 22k. There is no real amount of differences in money.

LOL you friend wouldent be BANDITV8 would it? heh just came to mind
Mustangs suck haha always. :rofl:

How the hell much does a Mustang cost? I thought GT's were CHEAPER than RSX-S's. Maybe you're talking about a base RSX?

But $7,000 in mods in an RSX, even a base RSX, should kill a stock GT. I'm talking murder.

Did you take a crack suppository today? Let's put $7,000 in mods on both of them and watch the Mustang rape the RSX to death. :sunglasse

LOL you friend wouldent be BANDITV8 would it? heh just came to mind
http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/drift_tengoku_pages/morepics/9c.jpg

LOL you friend wouldent be BANDITV8 would it? heh just came to mind
http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/drift_tengoku_pages/morepics/9c.jpg http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/drift_tengoku_pages/morepics/9.jpg
http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring/en/drift_tengoku_pages/morepics/3a.jpg

Yeah thats rite! Nissan fo Lyfe!! mustangs can go suck a GT dick**

My vote is for the Mustang anyday. Someone on here said that you could put 7,000 in a base RSX and run low 13's all day long. That is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY slow for dumping 7 grand into a 20 thousand dollar car. I paid 14,500 for my car and put about 3,000(includes install prices) and my car is capable of high 12's. :naughty: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

i beat an acura rsx type-s in my 4 door wagon vibe gt 180hp 6speed, they are overrated

rsx's are deff not overrated, put a good driver in them and they are quick cars it would deff take a mustang gt stock for stock, ive taken out a 98 gt with atleast an exhaust in a 00 celica gts and they are good comp for the type s's

with good drivers type s's arent overrated at all

Note mustang GT'swith 3 grand wont touch most dsms or most tuneable imports with the same amount of $$$$ in it(excluding the SVT cobra=evil with 3k mods).

Says you, $3k can get you a supercharger. Given tires, pulley and traction and youre running low 12s and high 11s. Ive seen it happen just because you havent doesnt mean shit. Also you posted this last night....

OK GT what are you talking about talon tsi awd cannot whoop a GT? There is a guy at the local autozone here who owns a 2002 gt hardtop. He has 4 timeslips with a few cheap mods done. At best he BARELY ran a 14.9.

Take a very close look at this time slips
http://www.angelfire.com/d20/donkeys4u/images/slip.JPG
Thats a V6 Mustang quarter mile timeslip. If you mean to tell me that the GT is only two tenths faster than the V6 then I will tell you and any other person Youre full of shit. Just because one person you met runs horrible times doesnt mean everyone does. It may just be your track is a pos. It may be the weather. But I know for damn sure the Mustang GT, especially the 5spd is not a high 14 second car. And I can show you a list of GTs that have ran 13s bone stock and even bolt on GTs running 12s; Yes bolt ons... No Nitrous, No Turbo and No supercharger whatsoever. :nono:

rsx's are deff not overrated, put a good driver in them and they are quick cars it would deff take a mustang gt stock for stock, ive taken out a 98 gt with atleast an exhaust in a 00 celica gts and they are good comp for the type s's

with good drivers type s's arent overrated at all
A bonestock 98 GT maybe, but not a 99+ or a PI Headed modular GT. Theres no way itll beat a 99+ GT stock for stock.

Says you, $3k can get you a supercharger. Given tires and traction and youre running low 12s and high 11s. Ive seen it happen just because you havent doesnt mean shit. Also you posted this last night....



Take a very close look at this time slips
http://www.angelfire.com/d20/donkeys4u/images/slip.JPG
Thats a V6 Mustang quarter mile timeslip. If you mean to tell me that the GT is only two tenths faster than the V6 then I will tell you and any other person Youre full of shit. Just because one person you met runs horrible times doesnt mean everyone does. It may just be your track is a pos. It may be the weather. But I know for damn sure the Mustang GT, especially the 5spd is not a high 14 second car. And I can show you a list of GTs that have ran 13s bone stock and even bolt on GTs running 12s; Yes bolt ons... No Nitrous, No Turbo and No supercharger whatsoever. :nono:
I see where EclipseSpyder is coming from. The local track, Speedworks, is not nice to Mustangs for some reason.

The few times I've been there for some event or other, most of the Fox-bodies were in the low 15's, some in the high 14's. The '99+ Stang GTs were in the high-14's, with some poorly-driven examples in the low 15's.

This isn't just some random guy who couldn't drive, this was consistent, the few times I was there.

Not saying that Mustangs aren't more capable, but the GT's in this town are anemic, for some reason.

I never posted it here, not wanting flames, but I've personally beat an SN95 GT 'Stang before on a freeway merge.

It's a 1000ft-elevation track. To put it in perspective, I saw an exhaust-only Z06 run a 12.8, and get beat by a turbo-Civic who ran a 12.6. Far from the best for a Z06.

Did you take a crack suppository today? Let's put $7,000 in mods on both of them and watch the Mustang rape the RSX to death. :sunglasse

yyyyyyeeeaaaahhhhh....... :screwy:

Last time I checked, Mustangs that have $7,000 in mods normally aren't stock. I don't understand what your point is... :sly:

I see where EclipseSpyder is coming from. The local track, Speedworks, is not nice to Mustangs for some reason.

The few times I've been there for some event or other, most of the Fox-bodies were in the low 15's, some in the high 14's. The '99+ Stang GTs were in the high-14's, with some poorly-driven examples in the low 15's.

This isn't just some random guy who couldn't drive, this was consistent, the few times I was there.

Not saying that Mustangs aren't more capable, but the GT's in this town are anemic, for some reason.

I never posted it here, not wanting flames, but I've personally beat an SN95 GT 'Stang before on a freeway merge.

It's a 1000ft-elevation track. To put it in perspective, I saw an exhaust-only Z06 run a 12.8, and get beat by a turbo-Civic who ran a 12.6. Far from the best for a Z06.
Thats why I said it may just be your track. :dunno:

It hurts me to know there are Mustangs running those times :(


;) :p

Thats why I said it may just be your track. :dunno:

It hurts me to know there are Mustangs running those times :(


;) :p
Maybe you need to come down and show the locals how a 'Stang should be driven;).

And don't worry about the times, I've seen some LS1's run low 14's;).

Maybe you need to come down and show the locals how a 'Stang should be driven;).

And don't worry about the times, I've seen some LS1's run low 14's;).
:shakehead Now thats going to make me cry since I had an LS1 :crying:








;)

Those must be some seriously over priced GT's? A 03 base line GT can be had for $22k, and Deluxe 03 GT for $24.5K. Even the current 04 GT's in show rooms can be had for $24k to $26k, depending on options. And these are just sticker prices, who knows what you can get them down to with a little haggling. Now for $28K, you are getting into the Mach 1. I've even looked at an 03 Mach 1, sticker price was $28.5k. 03 SVT Cobra $35k, I even believe there's a member here who bought one for $30k.



you might be right....actually here the mach 1 is only about 1-2K more than a GT....and i was wondering why would you even buy a GT when a mach 1 is barely more expensive...maybe some dealerships have some weird pricing

My vote is for the Mustang anyday. Someone on here said that you could put 7,000 in a base RSX and run low 13's all day long. That is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY slow for dumping 7 grand into a 20 thousand dollar car. I paid 14,500 for my car and put about 3,000(includes install prices) and my car is capable of high 12's. :naughty: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:


well you gotta remember, that with 7K thats not just in the engine, its in brakes, and suspension. we actualy like our cars balanced. now if we just threw 7K into the engine alone, we should be in the mid 12's no problem.

[QUOTE=DkShadow]:shakehead Now thats going to make me cry since I had an LS1 :crying:


Ok im back now and can defend my statements. First of all you say WHAT.. A stock mustang into the 13's...? Ill pay for a rental mustang gt and run it at the track. Ill let carrrnuttt drive it too. Its not going to touch the 13's let alone a low 14. Mustang with afew bolt ons? Bah thats what the guy with the IMPORT KILLER mustang said.. Ohh I run a 12.5 1/4 mile. And got HAWKED by a stock turboed clipse with heavy ass 18's. I rarely loose to gt's and the few I lost to were a 2003 svt and modified 5.0. And Id like to see a S/C for a mustang gt run 3k. If it does it probably came from a junk yard. You say you can get into the 12's or 11's with no back up support with just a S/C and bolt ons.. thats gunna run you a few more greens than 3k and I can prove it. On the other hand. Dsm's are all mostly modded the same. DSM $9,000 for a nice mid mileage 99 gsx compared to 20k+ gt. Ok dsm stage 1 mods cost at a MAXIMUM $3000. Thats a big 16g ported and clipped, fuel pump, injectors, intake, exhaust, I/C pipes, FMIC, clutch. And NO YOUR MUSTANG CANT GET ALL THESE FOR NEARLY as much, so dont say it can. And do you know what the 1/4 mile for the stage 1 is for a gsx? a poor driver can get into the low 12's and with a good one 11's. Its proven, just reply to this with shit talking and ill make this another ownage thread and give you plenty of links and cars. Just for shits and giggles try ExtremeMotorsports.com. They are the dsm specialists here where I live and have street cars with 140,000 miles running 10's and 11's. Now I have NEVER seen a 10 sec mustang take a ride to the grocery market or cruise the city, there all trailor queens. And just 2 saturdays ago I was eating at IHOP with and 11 sec and 10 sec talon and eclipse gsx. Thats all I got to say.. Wait no it aint. Also there is a HKS build spyder with 19 inch chromes running low 12's and ill take carrrnuttt next time to prove it. Put up numbers or shut up.. Just trying to prove a point and not trying to flame or bash to bad. Thanks and peace and goodnight.

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Take a very close look at this time slips
http://www.angelfire.com/d20/donkeys4u/images/slip.JPG
Thats a V6 Mustang quarter mile timeslip. If you mean to tell me that the GT is only two tenths faster than the V6 then I will tell you and any other person Youre full of shit.

Oh and I doubt that was a "stock" v6 mustang. For one I got on it today with a mustang v6. I virtually walked him from 10 mph to 90 mph. He was at least a half football field behind no BS. And my car say as of now is a 15.0 sec car, give and take alittle(with stocks and more psi itll vary alittle. And im the worst driver I know. My boy who's a musle car fanatic has a 2002 v6 stang. And he dont even try to race me anymore. DAMNIT Ive seen a 97 cobra run low 15's and yeah it could be the driver or fake ass stickers. But all in all, mod for mod $$$$ ..Yeah ill say it again mustang gt vs dsm or any tuneable turboed car will win *most the time* (accounting both drivers are equally skilled).

you might be right....actually here the mach 1 is only about 1-2K more than a GT....and i was wondering why would you even buy a GT when a mach 1 is barely more expensive...maybe some dealerships have some weird pricing


I hear that the Mach 1's aren't selling so well and that dealers are giving pretty healthy rebates..


Dkshadow, is that timeslip from a stock v6 mustang??? You never specified. So I assume it's not. A buddy of mine has a 99 v6 stang thats a 5spd, and has intake and exhaust and some 18's... I raced him in my Mom's 01 v6 4dr. loaded accord(all stock btw.. well of course the stolen honda sign). Now, the accord is supposed to run about 16 flats.... And I pull on my buddy every time.. Not too hard.. but I pull. I know my bud doesn't beat his car, but he is a competent driver. So it's hard to believe that a stock v6 stang can be anywhere near a 15.1 1/4 mile pass.



And Spyder... More paragraphs please.

And Spyder... More paragraphs please.[/QUOTE]


Gladly....*smile*

Im sorry to say but anything 25k+ would be spent on a true performance car by real tuners. Say a good condition tt supra or evo or sti. Then again most people cant afford one because there still learining the basics of life and havent experiance the job world yet, AKA Real World( no not mtv). Why didnt I get one instead of my spyder? Well first of all I like the 2g sporty body style and the turbo,convertible package is suitable and tuneable(2nd most aftermarket availability right behind honda, but with more hp to boot). Then again after 3k of engine work (turbo upgrade,boltons, and fuel management ive spent 20k total 17k for the car and 3k in engine mods. Then itll be that cobra,tt supra,evo,sti posting a death by spyder eclipse. Note mustang GT'swith 3 grand wont touch most dsms or most tuneable imports with the same amount of $$$$ in it(excluding the SVT cobra=evil with 3k mods).

So your saying any person who buys a Mustang is not a real Tuner???

2nd Most aftermarket availabilty behind Honda.... Why don't you try 3rd cause #1 is easily 5.0 Mustangs

You spent $20,000 on your car total to run what??? I spent about 14,000 on my total to run low 11's and high 10's with more track time. So with less money it would be you posting death by GTStang.

All that doesn't matter, bottom line is you bought what you bought cause it's what you like. I bought what I bought cause it's what I Like. But saying some1 isn't a real tuner cause they bought a Stang.... :screwy:

2nd Most aftermarket availabilty behind Honda.... Why don't you try 3rd cause #1 is easily 5.0 Mustangs



took the words right outta my mouth.

mustangs are nice, but seems to take noticeable amounts of gas more than even a modified eclipse, both being driven really slow. i have 550cc injectors in my car, and still seems to get better gas mileage than my friends stock 2000 mustang gt. now i know some of you dont care, cause ive heard it all before, but it does to me, since ive been driving a lot lately, that little difference just adds up.

hear that the Mach 1's aren't selling so well and that dealers are giving pretty healthy rebates..
I don't know about that I thought they were producing more since there was a demand for them. I'm certainly starting to see more Mach I's in my area then before.

Actually, if you want to get technical then it's fourth. The classic Chevy small block (283, 302, 305, 327, 350, 400) that is only in production as a crate motor is still #1. Being the highest produced engine in the world and still being the standard engine of oval track racing has kept it there and will preserve its place for some time.

I, personally, would not even consider trying to out-drag a Mustang with an Acura RSX, Type S or otherwise. Not necessarily, mind you, because I know the Mustang would beat me but because it is my personal belief that the dragstrip is the home of the big live axle, RWD, large-displacement muscle car.

Sorry, but I've attended import drags and there isn't the magic in the air that there is at more traditional events. At the strip, the imports seem to lack the thunder, especially the FF classes. The pro-RWD classes don't do much better thanks to their small fields. The only import drag cars I've come to like are the hybrid RX-3's and Toyota Corollas that carry their front wheels past the 60 foot mark. Otherwise, the imports launch straight, run quiet, and shut down with dulling efficiency.

Now, compared to the nostalgia drags I've attended, where classic front engine rails smoke their M&H Racemasters the whole 1/4mile and nose-high Gassers throw sparks from their bumpers and cross the traps at 160+ sideways, one can see why it becomes so boring so quickly.

But, I'm also frightfully bored by the American Sedan class of SCCA/NASA road racing. Forx Body 'Stangs and 3rd-4th F-bodies trundling around road courses, burdeoned by overly stock suspensions and heavy yet flexible unibodies makes for dull racing and slow lap times. Show me GT5 or Improved Touring 2 where the latest hot hatches are screaming around, jockeying for position and trail-braking late into the corners. Few sights in racing are cooler than the old "Wascally Wabbits" (the first Volkswagen Rabbits in Showroom Stock competition which beat up on the old Triumphs and Midgets) hunched over on their outside front wheel in a corner while the inside rear is clear of the track.

I firmly believe a stock Integra has no place on the dragstrip. Further more, I disapprove of stock Mustang GT's in anything above autocross. There are two different theories at work here. Two different philosophies. Ignoring them only tends to lead to embarrassment and a thinning wallet.

Alright, im going to pick apart your post from now on...

Ok im back now and can defend my statements. First of all you say WHAT.. A stock mustang into the 13's...? Ill pay for a rental mustang gt and run it at the track. Ill let carrrnuttt drive it too. Its not going to touch the 13's let alone a low 14.

All of these were either stock or had exhaust with some even having pullies & T/a.

101 . UA2k1GT - 13.66 @ 100.03 ( 2001 GT AUTO )
142 . Mike00GT - 13.95 @ 99.83 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
143 . DrStang67 - 13.96 @ 97.61 ( 1999 GT )
144 . sp33dfr3ak - 13.98 @ 100.64 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
145 . GT_2001 - 13.98 @ 99.76 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )
146 . CuddaWuddaShuda - 13.99 @ 98.90 ( 2001 GT - STOCK )
147 . GT_Fugazi - 13.99 @ 97.65 ( 2001 GT AUTO )
148 . 00MustangGT - 13.99 @ 97.55 ( 2000 GT AUTO - STOCK )
149 . stang9gt - 14.00 @ 103.91 ( 1996 GT 5 SPD - HS )
150 . SonicBlueCoupe - 14.01 @ 100.65 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
151 . Ruffrider - 14.01 @ 100.00 ( 2003 GT 5 SPD - STOCK )
152 . FireFinder20 - 14.01 @ 98.03 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD VERT )
153 . TARZAN - 14.01 @ ( 2000 GT AUTO VERT )
154 . DeadLurker - 14.02 @ 101.28 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
155 . MineralGray02K - 14.02 @ 100.00 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
156 . Ryan02Stang - 14.02 @ 99.25 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
158 . ameration - 14.04 @ 99.45 ( 1999 GT AUTO VERT )
160 . PnyChk01 - 14.05 @ ( 2001 GT )
161 . jetlaggedGT - 14.06 @ 99.89 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD )
162 . Stang4.6GT - 14.07 @ 95.81 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD - 5800 FEET )
163 . 99GrandTouring - 14.08 @ 97.73 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD )
164 . Black2VGT - 14.10 @ 99.00 ( 1996 GT AUTO - HS )

I skipped through alot just to let you know.

Mustang with afew bolt ons? Bah thats what the guy with the IMPORT KILLER mustang said.. Ohh I run a 12.5 1/4 mile. And got HAWKED by a stock turboed clipse with heavy ass 18's. I rarely loose to gt's and the few I lost to were a 2003 svt and modified 5.0.

Look at this vid
12 Second Bolt on Stang (http://www.tchracing.com/media/bradenton/bill2.wmv)

Naturally Aspirated with 259.9 RWHP/293.8RWTQ. Best time of 12.47 @ 108.56.
Mods: Bullitt Intake, K&N, MAC longtube headers, VRS Offroad X pipe, Dynomax Bullets with turndowns, Steeda Pulleys, FRPP 4.30's, Steeda Timing Adjuster

Thats all he has for power mods. His main power is in his driving skills and suspension set up... not to mention sticky tires ;).

And Id like to see a S/C for a mustang gt run 3k. If it does it probably came from a junk yard.

GT (http://superchargeronline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=PD-K10190-101 ) Supercharger (http://superchargeronline.com/product_detail.asp?PartNumber=PD-K10194-201) Look at it. Funny thing is that theyre both under $3000. :lol2:

You say you can get into the 12's or 11's with no back up support with just a S/C and bolt ons.. thats gunna run you a few more greens than 3k and I can prove it.

Theres a Procharger blowned 02 GT that ran an 11.97 @ 114 mph with stock motor, headers, and 373 gears. This was with the 8 psi kit. Even though it might not be $3k, its no more than $4200. Remember, good driving doesnt have a price.

On the other hand. Dsm's are all mostly modded the same. DSM $9,000 for a nice mid mileage 99 gsx compared to 20k+ gt.
:uhoh: Youre comparing prices of a New car to a used car... uhhh :uhoh:
If thats the case I can find a 99 GT for under $14000. As a matter of fact, look at what I found. Link (http://autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=140062312&dealer_id=&car_year=1999&search_type=used&make=FORD&model=MUST&transmission=&distance=25&address=75211&advanced=y&max_mileage=&max_price=14500&min_price=&first_record=26&end_year=2004&start_year=1996&drive=&engine=8CLDR&body_style=&advcd_on=y&doors=&=&fuel=&color=&cardist=11) Its a 99 35th Anniversary GT thats under $10k. Since its that cheap, can you say Turbo? Look below for more details. ;)

Ok dsm stage 1 mods cost at a MAXIMUM $3000. Thats a big 16g ported and clipped, fuel pump, injectors, intake, exhaust, I/C pipes, FMIC, clutch. And NO YOUR MUSTANG CANT GET ALL THESE FOR NEARLY as much, so dont say it can.
Im going to assume that its an upgrade kit. I would hope its not that price for a Mustang considering they dont come with Forced Induction from the factory :sly:

And do you know what the 1/4 mile for the stage 1 is for a gsx? a poor driver can get into the low 12's and with a good one 11's. Its proven, just reply to this with shit talking and ill make this another ownage thread and give you plenty of links and cars.
Take a look at this link... Turbo link... (http://www.inductionconcepts.com/Mustang4.6GT.asp ) Its not the cheapest but look at the horsepower numbers. Thats a 10 second and lower Mustang. It may be pricey but considering you can find a 99+ GT for under 12500, and even a 96-98 GT for under $8k, it wont really make a difference if youre looking for speed. And guess what?!?! It will be under $20k!
Just FYI, theres cheaper turbo kits, mainly PTK and Turbolocity, and a new company thats making Turbos competitive with SCs.

Just for shits and giggles try ExtremeMotorsports.com. They are the dsm specialists here where I live and have street cars with 140,000 miles running 10's and 11's. Now I have NEVER seen a 10 sec mustang take a ride to the grocery market or cruise the city, there all trailor queens.
:disappoin Just because you havent seen them doesnt mean they dont exist. Off the top of my head I can think of Jim Fitzgeralds automatic GT that runs mid 10s in the 1/4mi and is daily driven. Another one is J. Vaccaros low 10 sec auto GT, sees the street also. Theres also Bobby Bakhtiaris 9 sec TKO vert by X2C, and plenty more.
Just for S&G, as you put it, check out this link... X2C Motorsports, 9 sec 00 Mustang. (http://www.turbomustangs.com/feature_cars/x2c.htm) Its a full STREET car and currently holds the 5spd MPH record. Theres also a vid there.

And just 2 saturdays ago I was eating at IHOP with and 11 sec and 10 sec talon and eclipse gsx.
Whats your point with that statement? I could say the same thing about some Mustangs here. :eek7:

Thats all I got to say.. Wait no it aint. Also there is a HKS build spyder with 19 inch chromes running low 12's and ill take carrrnuttt next time to prove it. Put up numbers or shut up.. Just trying to prove a point and not trying to flame or bash to bad. Thanks and peace and goodnight.

Theres plenty of fast cars, does it mean anything? No. I know of a 9 sec Fox here in DFW thats from a local forum, but why brag about it? :dunno:

Dkshadow, is that timeslip from a stock v6 mustang??? You never specified. So I assume it's not. A buddy of mine has a 99 v6 stang thats a 5spd, and has intake and exhaust and some 18's... I raced him in my Mom's 01 v6 4dr. loaded accord(all stock btw.. well of course the stolen honda sign). Now, the accord is supposed to run about 16 flats.... And I pull on my buddy every time.. Not too hard.. but I pull. I know my bud doesn't beat his car, but he is a competent driver. So it's hard to believe that a stock v6 stang can be anywhere near a 15.1 1/4 mile pass.
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-97 v6 mustang
-JVC KD-S590 sytem
-Bazooka Speakers
-35% platinum Tint
-p&p upper and lower
-Shorty Headers
-Mac CAI
-UnderDrive Pullies
-Billet Shifter
-Flowmasters

Not that much going for it but the P&P. Shorty headers do crap for a n/a car. That is all his mods. Theres also an 01 V6 auto vert that I know of that ran a low 15s bone stock. Im guessing it was ideal conditions with perfect weather. :dunno:

Dont get me wrong, im not saying theyre quick :screwy: Ive personally slaughtered one from a roll and a stop. I felt bad for him afterwards :(

I disapprove of stock Mustang GT's in anything above autocross. There are two different theories at work here. Two different philosophies. Ignoring them only tends to lead to embarrassment and a thinning wallet.

What would make you say that? Autocrossing isnt the end all be all of handling. I would go as far as to say that a GT can be made to outhandle a Vette and higher priced sports cars. Ever heard of a Steeda? Roush? Even Saleen? Theyre no slouch when it comes to handling. And thats with the Live-Axle, lets see what the Cobra could do with its IRS.

So your saying any person who buys a Mustang is not a real Tuner???

Didnt ya know? Only Japanese cars can be called tuner cars :iceslolan

2nd Most aftermarket availabilty behind Honda.... Why don't you try 3rd cause #1 is easily 5.0 Mustangs

Exactly :eek7:

You spent $20,000 on your car total to run what??? I spent about 14,000 on my total to run low 11's and high 10's with more track time. So with less money it would be you posting death by GTStang.

And my car say as of now is a 15.0 sec car, give and take alittle(with stocks and more psi itll vary alittle.

:dunno:

All that doesn't matter, bottom line is you bought what you bought cause it's what you like. I bought what I bought cause it's what I Like. But saying some1 isn't a real tuner cause they bought a Stang.... :screwy:
Again, exactly. :)

At this point... :gives:


Honestly?


In this day and age of wanna be racers due to recent hollywood projects, driving skill has to be the deciding factor in 90% of the street/track racing with 'street' cars. Rarely is a car so well tuned or so well equipted that it can make up for its drivers lack of skill.

Thus, Stock for Stock... a GT Mustang can lose to a RSX Type S. If one driver was better than the other.


This arguement about the DSM's vs Mustangs isn't going to end anytime soon...

Coming from a Chevy fans stand point, Both cars are slow. Why? Minimal LS1 in them. :evillol:

:iceslolan

At this point... :gives:


Honestly?


In this day and age of wanna be racers due to recent hollywood projects, driving skill has to be the deciding factor in 90% of the street/track racing with 'street' cars. Rarely is a car so well tuned or so well equipted that it can make up for its drivers lack of skill.

Thus, Stock for Stock... a GT Mustang can lose to a RSX Type S. If one driver was better than the other.


This arguement about the DSM's vs Mustangs isn't going to end anytime soon...

Coming from a Chevy fans stand point, Both cars are slow. Why? Minimal LS1 in them. :evillol:

:iceslolan
:bs: Teh Mustang Can Nevar Loose!! :banhim:






















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Now with that im going to :sleep:

you guys are a bunch of ignorants.....thinking you're so tuff with your Pos big displacement Fords


you so no match for my JDM spec cougah...with twin tubos, supercharger, NOS, turbo timers, 4 BOV's etc......








:smokin:

[QUOTE=Layla's Keeper]Actually, if you want to get technical then it's fourth. The classic Chevy small block (283, 302, 305, 327, 350, 400) that is only in production as a crate motor is still #1. Being the highest produced engine in the world and still being the standard engine of oval track racing has kept it there and will preserve its place for some time.

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Well technically I was referring to a car meaning motor and chassis. Why I said 5.0 Stang not just Mustangs or 302.

But none of it matters cause Mustangs don't have LS1's dammit :banghead:

But none of it matters cause Mustangs don't have LS1's dammit :banghead:


that's right and don't even think what an JDM spec LS1 would do to you :uhoh:

OK well im calling this thread dead. Good points all in all. Im just stating my point of view and others may differ. Im just goind to say turbo+awd+hi psi=OWNAGE for less.....

I don't know about that I thought they were producing more since there was a demand for them. I'm certainly starting to see more Mach I's in my area then before.


That was just info that I got from my friend's Dad whose in the market for one of those Mach 1's... He said that they're lowering the price a lot around my area, so he's gonna wait another 2 months or so in hopes of a fatter rebate..

Not that much going for it but the P&P. Shorty headers do crap for a n/a car. That is all his mods. Theres also an 01 V6 auto vert that I know of that ran a low 15s bone stock. Im guessing it was ideal conditions with perfect weather. :dunno:

Dont get me wrong, im not saying theyre quick :screwy: Ive personally slaughtered one from a roll and a stop. I felt bad for him afterwards :(

Damn!! That 97 v6 is pretty damn quick for what it has and being a 97!!! Damn.. My friend has a 98 with similar mods minus P&P and headers, and he can't pull on my Dad's 02 4 banger camry. And that 01 v6 auto vert.. low 15's... damn.. thats quick.. idunno.. guess your area just have faster mustangs!!

And shorty headers on my car gave me a good gain(butt dyno only), and also upped my average mile per gallon up 4!!!

that's right and don't even think what an JDM spec LS1 would do to you :uhoh:


Pssh.. Just wait till I get my Euro Ls1 to match my Euro tails. Then.. I'd be truly hauling..

Pssh.. Just wait till I get my Euro Ls1 to match my Euro tails. Then.. I'd be truly hauling..



dang an euro spec ls1...isn't that the Enzo engine :eek:

dang an euro spec ls1...isn't that the Enzo engine :eek:
Pshh.. The Enzo stole their design!!! :worshippy

Of course I've heard of Steeda, and Hotchkiss, and Saleen, and the many other companies in existence who sell pieces parts for Mustangs. However, let it be known that the most common Steeda part purchased by American Sedan class SCCA competitors using Fox-Body/SN95 'Stangs is a modified K-member that is designed to reconfigure the car's astronomically low roll center (Grassroots Motorsports Magazine's March 2003 issue has an excellent article on what needs to be done to bandage the live axle's chassis inherent understeer leading into snap oversteer) . I'm sorry, but when you have to completely re-engineer the suspension pick-up points you have a poorly designed chassis.

The mere idea that a hacked apart Ford Fairmont is going to be a flawless handler off the showroom floor is laughable.

Now, the argument that they can be made to handle is a wholly different scenario. Speaking from personal experience (My buddy Nate had a Fox body notchback with a Hotchkiss suspension and Baer brakes) properly modified Fox/SN95 Mustangs can be great handlers. I envy the gents who were able to purchase the Cobra R's.

But an R is not a GT. GT's are hobbled by a poorly thought out suspension and twisty chassis. Can they be made to handle. Of course! Mustangs are still the definitive Trans-Am race car. But there's a world of difference between those SCCA barnstormers and the SN95 platform.

And, naturally, all this may change next year with the new chassis.

thinking you're so tuff with your Pos big displacement Fords
What you talkn bout sucka, Geo's are the only ones with big displacement these days.

What you talkn bout sucka, Geo's are the only ones with big displacement these days.
And, naturally, all this may change next year with the new chassis.
I agree, the SN95 platform was not the best for all around handling, and lacked in many areas. That's why that platform was scrapped (finally!) and the new DEW chassis will be a great improvement. I have heard lots of good stuff will come of this, we'll just have to wait and see now.

What you talkn bout sucka, Geo's are the only ones with big displacement these days.


yeah i did not even bring those up since they woud lay the smackdown on you guys it would not even be funny...you ain't wanna mess with teh eurojdm spec geo....


I agree, the SN95 platform was not the best for all around handling, and lacked in many areas. That's why that platform was scrapped (finally!) and the new DEW chassis will be a great improvement. I have heard lots of good stuff will come of this, we'll just have to wait and see now.


i don't know how good the chassis of the new stang will be....we'll see when it is realeased but what i want to see ford is forget about price a bit and makeit lighter...to me the weight is one of the biggest drawbacks in the mustang platform

Hey, i got an 02 RSX type S with a turbo. 5 grand max. not sure how much HP the 03 mustang has (dont really care either) but after racing a 01 mustang and kickin his ass, i'll tell you that the RSX will come out on top. and i got the lecture about the muscle cars too. but not anymore. :)

Hey, i got an 02 RSX type S with a turbo. 5 grand max. not sure how much HP the 03 mustang has (dont really care either) but after racing a 01 mustang and kickin his ass, i'll tell you that the RSX will come out on top. and i got the lecture about the muscle cars too. but not anymore. :)

That's nice. You always like to chime in to conversations this late?