Suicide?

Ive never understood it. and u know what really sucks about it is that u never know why. so u can never have closure. i knew this girl back in high school, always happy, smiling, laughing, great boyfriend, partied. all around high school girl then one day when they were in the process of moving the movers found her dead in the upstairs closet. i geuss we thought she was happy. does anyone else ever think of the reasons and does anyone have any other stories?

Ive never understood it. and u know what really sucks about it is that u never know why. so u can never have closure. i knew this girl back in high school, always happy, smiling, laughing, great boyfriend, partied. all around high school girl then one day when they were in the process of moving the movers found her dead in the upstairs closet. i geuss we thought she was happy. does anyone else ever think of the reasons and does anyone have any other stories?
I think suicide is often a trajedy that can be prevented if people would look deeper than just what they see on the outside. As odd as that sounds, if you think about it, it makes sense; what it means is when you are talking with a person, watch them, observe their body language and ask yourself if they really seem like they are happy or if they are doing things because other people expect it of them. Another factor that some people dont add in is the home life of a person. A person can be a great socialite at school and outside the home, but who is to say what goes on behind the walls and confines of his or her own home. I actually wrote a short story about this topic and put it in on the second to last page of the poetry and writing thread in this forum. But yes, that's my view and agree that it's a big let down to the friends of those who do it and a disappointment to family members. If you do by chance know of someone who is depressed and has mentioned suicide, seek help for them if you care about them.

When somebody commits suicide alot of people say things like "they had everything going for them" And if you're one of the few who actually knows why they commited suicide, then you also know that it was probably a really stupid reason, such as school or work.
Of course it's different when you get to older people, who might kill themselves because of moneu issues or failing health.
But the sad thing is so many people fail to see it coming, because alot of times the reasons just aren't very logical (to those who wouldn't think of doing the same thing)

Although I agree it's stupid, and I know that now, sometimes it seems like the best idea. Trust me. I've been there... on the edge.

It's impossible to understand unless you have first hand experience, but... sometimes, you can be in sooo much pain, sooo confused, and sooo lost about everything... that it seem's like it would be better to not feel anything at all ever again. Even if you know things *will* get better... you get so scared that it will happen again, and it only gets worse. And it seems like a good idea at the time (alcohol doesn't help).

But if someone ever mentions it to you.. get help for them. It will help.
:2cents:

my 5th grade teacher told us a story about a girl that commited suicide...she was a poor girl that didnt have many friends...during her senior year in high school one of the most popular guys in school asked her to the prom (which was some months away)....she was so incredibly happy...her parents even got 2 or more jobs jus so they cud get enuff money to buy her a dress and shoes....well on prom night she called the guy that asked her and sed 'well when r u picking me up?' he replied 'wait...u think id actually go to the prom wit a dirty bitch like u?'...the nxt morning her rents found her in the garage...hanging by her own belt.

like all of u guys i dont c y ppl kill themselves...but it seems thats the circumstances are always pretty messed up...i think that ppl wud b betr off talkin to someone bout theyr problems

n if ur wondering wut happend to that guy....a year later he stuck a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. pretty ironic huh.

my 5th grade teacher told us a story about a girl that commited suicide...she was a poor girl that didnt have many friends...during her senior year in high school one of the most popular guys in school asked her to the prom (which was some months away)....she was so incredibly happy...her parents even got 2 or more jobs jus so they cud get enuff money to buy her a dress and shoes....well on prom night she called the guy that asked her and sed 'well when r u picking me up?' he replied 'wait...u think id actually go to the prom wit a dirty bitch like u?'...the nxt morning her rents found her in the garage...hanging by her own belt.

like all of u guys i dont c y ppl kill themselves...but it seems thats the circumstances are always pretty messed up...i think that ppl wud b betr off talkin to someone bout theyr problems

n if ur wondering wut happend to that guy....a year later he stuck a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. pretty ironic huh.

Ive heard that before. Sad story. On a side note, do you spell much?

:rolleyes: .......................

yea its pretty bad.. i have heard all sort of answers to this question really. and eveyrone sees it differently. they say suicide is a way to get out of pain and mysery, depression or a way out of trouble. so lots of people find it acutally "selfish". seeing as they kil themselves, b4 even thinking about their families and fiends. they kill themselves and leave all that empty space in between for everyone.
Alltho i dont believe its selfishness. i also think theres a hell of a lot of reasons why people do it. and everyones got their own.
its a sad thing.. i agree aswell, they prolly dont have anyone to talk to, no support nothing.
my friend's brother was one of the most popular kids in high school, but alywas walked around depressed and noone knew why. he was afraid to talk to anyone but alwyas had a smile on his face no mater what. he ended up jumping off a cliffside beach and fell on the rocks killing himself instantly.
whats strange aswell is that the guy that killed himself, his best friend did the same thing. who knows, maybe because he realyl cared for him and didnt want to be alone

i dont know but to me it is selfishness but thats just my opinion. im mean i dont know the stats or anything like that but isnt it true that young people are more likely to commit suicide? y? im mean yeah ive experienced the whole high school drama thing. and kids dont understand that all that stuff is not fonna matter 20yrs from now. at the time im sure it hurts but time will make it get better. here in arizona last yr 3 5th graders in the same class commited suicide. my litter sister is in 5th grade, shes 10. 10yr olds are killing themselves i dont understand what could hurt them so bad to do that.

dunno about the selfishness, sometimes i could be if thats what theyre headed. but i dunno.
10 years old? thats hell young. kids shuold be so worrie dat such a young age. thats too damn young. they are trying to grow up too quickly and take it out on eachother. thats just fowl thought.
its like the young girls wearing tiny skirts and dressing like little whores. bringing noones attention but 30 year old perverts. or anyone twice their age. ive seen little G-strings for 5 year olds... its so discusting, makes me wanna barf. like i said kids trying to grow up and mature to quickly.. they take it out on eachother, specially in school. thats where everything starts. i feel for them. school was the nasty shit in those days and its getting worse.
they pick on eachother, and do nasty shit thats just really uncalled for. i think the system jsut sucks. teachers let kids over do things and take it out on everyone else. noone cares in there.
but like i said, 10 years old is too young. and parents let them do too many things i wouldnt do in that age. trying to make them more mature thatn they are

dont pay attention to my spelling.

fuck i should start some typing lessons

didja hear the story about a year ago about the 16yr old boy who had no probs at school or home but one day he got in trouble at school and got sent home. they called his mother and told her he ws very upset so she left work and went home to meet him. she couldnt find him in the house then she went out back in the yard and he was standing there in the rocks he had a gun in his hand she begged him to put it down but he refused as he put it to his head she begged him more and told him that she loved him but he still shot himself in the head right in front of her.

I believe that killing oneself is extremely selfish. Rarely do the motives for suicide even put into consideration anybody else, it's simply a way for ONE person to get out of their troubles, it's not even a solution, it's way to get out of solving a problem. And when they're dead, they've left somebody else to clean up after their mess, and whatever problems they left unsolved.
They think "it's easy for me" but how often do they think "it's easier for them?" Rarely does somebody kill themself to solve other people problems, and that's because it's a selfish action.

didja hear the story about a year ago about the 16yr old boy who had no probs at school or home but one day he got in trouble at school and got sent home. they called his mother and told her he ws very upset so she left work and went home to meet him. she couldnt find him in the house then she went out back in the yard and he was standing there in the rocks he had a gun in his hand she begged him to put it down but he refused as he put it to his head she begged him more and told him that she loved him but he still shot himself in the head right in front of her.

wow, that sucks... maybe its to bring attention. attention.. sounds kinda crazy but to them maybe it is. guess it is selfishness, but in most cases sometimes it isnt. that story is an act of selfishness, and prolly an act of hatred. maybe he dispised love from someone and didnt want to be held against it.
who knows, but tahts really odd. suicide is so common now

Ive heard that before. Sad story. On a side note, do you spell much?


haha...u rnt the onli person to ask me that recently...i jus type like this...idk y but it jus helps me type faster...im actually quite advanced for my age in english...surprised? lol

Although I agree it's stupid, and I know that now, sometimes it seems like the best idea. Trust me. I've been there... on the edge.

It's impossible to understand unless you have first hand experience, but... sometimes, you can be in sooo much pain, sooo confused, and sooo lost about everything... that it seem's like it would be better to not feel anything at all ever again. Even if you know things *will* get better... you get so scared that it will happen again, and it only gets worse. And it seems like a good idea at the time (alcohol doesn't help).

But if someone ever mentions it to you.. get help for them. It will help.
:2cents:

Yes, I've been there as well. Only thing that stopped me was picturing my mom, after I was dead. Suicide really is a selfish thing....

I think that Some of the reason is due to fear. fear of confontation, fear of emotion. feelling trapt by your emotion. not having an outlet for your built up hate and stress. Miscomunication.
But what do I know, just a thought.
Thanx
B.

Yes, I've been there as well. Only thing that stopped me was picturing my mom, after I was dead. Suicide really is a selfish thing....


I've never made it THAT far, but the thought has crossed my mind, more than once. I almost consider it whenever sometihng bad happens, but after a few hours, I manage to get things into perspective, slow myself down and realize that suicide isn't goign to happen. I alsmost use it as an extreme Plan Z to handle things when I'm in trouble, I know it's never goign to happen, but just having the option is somehow comforting.

I'm fucked up?

I think that suicide is really just part of nature's way of thinning the human herd. In the wild it's the strong, fast and smart animals that survive. The slow, stupid and weak are eaten by predators or left behind by the herd.

Suicide is humanity's way of removing the weak and stupid from the gene pool.

And before anyone jumps in and says I'm crass and heartless, yes I have known people who have killed themselves. It solves nothing. All it does is leave the families and friends wondering why.

People say that they just can't find a way out, but that's not true. I've strongly considered it before. I was a Christian at the time, but I wasn't very strong. Now, I would never even consider it. If any of you think about it you should talk to someone you know is a Christian and find out how to become saved. If you are not saved when you die you will go to hell and burn. (No exageration). I'm not the kind of person that believes if you kill yourself you go to hell because it's unforgivable (THAT IS NOT TRUE). Becoming saved (born again) is the ONLY way to go to Heaven.
Remember becoming a Christian is not about going from bad to good, it is about going from dead to alive (spirit). If you are interested read this:

God loves you and has a great plan for your life. We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. God loves us so that he sent his only son to the earth to die for us so that we might receive eternal life. Jesus was crucified, dead, and buried and on the third of being buried he arrose and accended into heaven. You must acklowledge that "Jesus is Lord" and that Jesus was raised from the dead, and also that you are a sinner. You must ask Jesus to come into your heart. It is your choice, not to decide is to say no. Still serious, repeat this prayer:

"Jesus, I ask you into my heart to be my Savior and Lord, forgive my sins, and give me the gift of eternal life."

If said with sincerity, you now have eternal life. Have questions or comments e-mail me at [email protected]. You need to get involved in a local church (I am a Baptist, but Methodist and others are fine). If you have read this prayer please e-mail me.

To suggest the only way for you to go to heaven is to become born again is 100% false; the Christians who refer to themselves as born agains are not a main stream branch and are extreamist in there beliefs. If your going to go into Christainity stick with one of the key branchs; Luthern, Church of England, or the Catholic Church ( I am Irish Catholic thats where my family comes from).

I find it disgusting that some of these groups alter the Christian basics to there own special propaganda; one of the reasons why orginized religion can become unless. Born Agains, Mormans, ect. are in fact segragating themselves from others who do not agree in what they believe, it does not help there cause and will promote devision with in groups if you do not accept there way of thinking. Its truely sad...

Although I agree it's stupid, and I know that now, sometimes it seems like the best idea. Trust me. I've been there... on the edge.

It's impossible to understand unless you have first hand experience, but... sometimes, you can be in sooo much pain, sooo confused, and sooo lost about everything... that it seem's like it would be better to not feel anything at all ever again. Even if you know things *will* get better... you get so scared that it will happen again, and it only gets worse. And it seems like a good idea at the time (alcohol doesn't help).

But if someone ever mentions it to you.. get help for them. It will help.
:2cents:


ive been on the edge as well. I couldnt have put it better myself

I've never been "suicidal" but some people get depressed. I don't mean when they find an oil spot under there car. I mean for the course of several months and even years. They don't know what exactly is wrong, they just feel like shit when they close there eyes before they go to bed. Many people, especially men, are not gonna go around telling everyone that they are depressed. They only think it will make them feel weaker. So they bottle it. I did it for about 3 years. One day I woke up and realized that life is what I make of it. I didn't just realize it, i lived it that way. It was a slow process, but now I've become a very happy person. I'm happier now than I ever was before and I've been like this for the last 4 years. I never let someone bring me down anymore. If someone gives me attitude or something, I srug it off, because it's really not my problem. Why let somebody or something ruin your day. It just doesn't make sense. Your attitude is one of the most important things in the world. Why let someone take that away from you. Having a great attitude can brighten someone else's day too. And that's a good feeling. Depression sucks. I was lucky to get myself out of that situation on my own, cause I didn't ask for help. I don't try to forget that time in my life, because now I think it made me who I am today.

I've never had a thought of suicide in my head, but I did have a friend who committed suicide. He was in the top of his class, great girlfriend, but certain cercumstances drove him to it. His sister had been in and out of the hospital for 2 yrs with an incurable desease, he had just gotten his girlfriend pregnant, his parents were pressuring him about that and he felt pressured to stay in the top of his class at school. He locked himself in the bathroom and shot himself in the head with his dad's police gun. He was rushed to the hospital and died the next morning. Some people don't think they can handle the problems of their life, and in that way it is selfish cuz they think that they can get themselves out of the problems but leave them for others to take care of...example, his girlfriend has to raise his son now and that has to be one of the worse things, cuz everytime she looks at her son all she will be able to think about is his dad. Also, some people committ suicide because they believe they are the problem. In this manner, it's not selfish because they are tryin to make things better for everyone else by eliminating the problem. They take care of some problems, but leave more problems behind than what they intended to fix. You don't know why, you don't know what caused it, you can only speculate the reasons from what you know, but you will never know what is going on in that specific person's mind when they decide to follow through with what they set out to do.

if its ok, i think that i will use a quote to sum up what i feel

“Human life consists in mutual service. No grief, pain, misfortune, or ‘broken heart’ is excuse for cutting off one’s life while any power of service remains. But when all usefulness is over, when one is assured of an unavoidable and imminent death, it is the simplest of human rights to choose a quick and easy death in place of a slow and horrible one.”
Suicide note of Charlotte Perkins Gilman

Suicide is the ultimate act of being selfless

Coming from one who's been there, seen enough of the signs, and actually went through the death of a friend by suicide, I'll let out my piece. Also, I'm in high school and match the descriptions, I'm about the happiest go-lucky guy there is not to mention by far a most popular fellow with all these girls that have crushes on me and I could care less because I have the love of this wonderful girlfriend, yet I must say that suicide can linger.

For me mainly because, well, I fight by joking it when depressed times come such as a porblem in the relationship, or hard times at school, work, or even home. I joke it and somehow that helps but you can't blame people for being selfish when the commit such an act. WHo are you to judge another's decision based on what you know when in reality you know nothing. The mind of a human is so vast that no one can possibly imagine what is going through thier heads and that the problem they have cvould be their world. Call me sad, but my girlfriend is my world. I believe that when I die I'm going to Heaven so i have no fear and if we break up, then i don't need college or any of that. It's not direct suicide but things flow in apattern and the problems arise from that single start. To judge one's motives is wrong and to think you'd get close is something else.

As many events as I've went through and still remian alive is one thing but I don't look at people and say that it was stupid and you can get out of it. When I tried, I was just so lost and confused and didn't care, i slipped from my roof without a care till i was hanging off and realized it. But it still lingered and it happens. I don't why i wanted to, so to judge another, I just see it as wrong.

Am I still, no, but if some major event happens that causes depression, i do have a tendency to blow it out of proportion and assume the worse, throw it all away and now instead of taking my life...run away and start a new one but still, that's me

part of people think that it is a courageous act, the other don't understand..for my opinion, i don't understand because life can change....with will....i think

I believe there isn't any reason in this world that someone should committ suicide. I don't care how bad it gets, who you've lost, or anything. There is no reason you can say that is good enough to committ suicide. The only person who can say there is a good reason would have to be in a mental state of mind, cuz anyone in their right mind would know that no matter what's gone wrong, you always have yourself to live for.

I think people commit suicide because they do not handle or cope with

stress or problems because of the type of person they are or how they

were raised. Not to say its because of parents or anything, just things

people have picked up. But it seems that people that are not

overacheivers, people that just dont care about whats going on in their

lives, dont commit suicide as often. Also a seriously belive depression is

closely tied to chemicals and hormones and can be treated when its

identified. Maybe thats why some people apearing happy end up

commiting suicide.

ive tried it a couple of times...once i even put the gun to my head and pulled the trigger but it jammed...then one of my buddies committed suicide. it was one of the hardest things i have ever had to go trough, then six months later, his mom did it too. i knew i could never do it. i totally understand why people do it, ive been there before, only i know what it is like for those you leave...it is terrible. my friend died five years ago and his mom 4 1/2 and im still not over it. it affects me everyday and when i see someone or talk to someone that depressed all i can do it tell them my expereince in full and hope they will see that life is worth living but i cannot condemn those who follow through because i cannot know their life or their circumstances the way they do so i cant judge them.

ive tried it a couple of times...once i even put the gun to my head and pulled the trigger but it jammed...then one of my buddies committed suicide. it was one of the hardest things i have ever had to go trough, then six months later, his mom did it too. i knew i could never do it. i totally understand why people do it, ive been there before, only i know what it is like for those you leave...it is terrible. my friend died five years ago and his mom 4 1/2 and im still not over it. it affects me everyday and when i see someone or talk to someone that depressed all i can do it tell them my expereince in full and hope they will see that life is worth living but i cannot condemn those who follow through because i cannot know their life or their circumstances the way they do so i cant judge them.

I think your the first person in this forum to have actually tried to commit suicide. I think it was a sign from God that your gun jammed...it wasnt your time and it wasnt the way for you to go. If you dont mind me asking...what drove you to actually take a gun to your head?

I think your the first person in this forum to have actually tried to commit suicide. I think it was a sign from God that your gun jammed...it wasnt your time and it wasnt the way for you to go. If you dont mind me asking...what drove you to actually take a gun to your head?

i dont mind...it was a lot of things really...i was depressed. i have big issues with my dad and bro that play parts in it...my dad was ashamed of me b/c i wasn't girly. i was into cars and sports-i was a tomboy. my bro just made sure i knew every fault i had. he told them to me everyday. i had very low self esteem. i guess what drove me to that point was that i got attacked by a friend of my sis. he tried to rape me and luckily i was able to fight him away before he did too much. i thought it was my fault, etc. it drove me to it.

now looking back...i think i was stupid. since then, i have been through so much worse stuff than previously. ive hit some of the lowest points man probably ever has (not like drugs or alcohol or anything like that) but things got better eventually. i just think about mike, my buddy who committed suicide and his mom and their memorials and everything...then i think of what i have...i couldnt do that to someone...plus i feel that i still have too much to live for even if it doesnt seem like it all the time...

i dont mind...it was a lot of things really...i was depressed. i have big issues with my dad and bro that play parts in it...my dad was ashamed of me b/c i wasn't girly. i was into cars and sports-i was a tomboy. my bro just made sure i knew every fault i had. he told them to me everyday. i had very low self esteem. i guess what drove me to that point was that i got attacked by a friend of my sis. he tried to rape me and luckily i was able to fight him away before he did too much. i thought it was my fault, etc. it drove me to it.

now looking back...i think i was stupid. since then, i have been through so much worse stuff than previously. ive hit some of the lowest points man probably ever has (not like drugs or alcohol or anything like that) but things got better eventually. i just think about mike, my buddy who committed suicide and his mom and their memorials and everything...then i think of what i have...i couldnt do that to someone...plus i feel that i still have too much to live for even if it doesnt seem like it all the time...

Im sorry to hear that your dad and bro are complete asses. And I believe that your sister's friend should rot in hell for trying to rape you. Good for you for getting over your issues and depression. Im glad that your here telling us your experiences.

i dont mind...it was a lot of things really...i was depressed. i have big issues with my dad and bro that play parts in it...my dad was ashamed of me b/c i wasn't girly. i was into cars and sports-i was a tomboy. my bro just made sure i knew every fault i had. he told them to me everyday. i had very low self esteem. i guess what drove me to that point was that i got attacked by a friend of my sis. he tried to rape me and luckily i was able to fight him away before he did too much. i thought it was my fault, etc. it drove me to it.

now looking back...i think i was stupid. since then, i have been through so much worse stuff than previously. ive hit some of the lowest points man probably ever has (not like drugs or alcohol or anything like that) but things got better eventually. i just think about mike, my buddy who committed suicide and his mom and their memorials and everything...then i think of what i have...i couldnt do that to someone...plus i feel that i still have too much to live for even if it doesnt seem like it all the time...
I think having experienced things such as that makes you a stronger person than most.