Auto ZC?

I plan on swapping out my dieing motor as soon as i get the cash and since i'm not gonna be racing i am just gonna put in a ZC. Can i keep the automatic? Also, for anyone who has ordered a ZC what site would you recomend and what all do I need for the swap?

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Yes, you can keep your car an auto, and the zc will bolt up fine.

www.nippon-motors.com is who I go through.

what all do i need, just the engine?

Assuming you have an EX, then yes. If not, you will need to convert to MPFI, and track down either an auto EX ecu, or auto 88/89 teg ecu.

not to step on toes ... but you dont need to convert to MPFI ...

me and melt both run our ZC's on DPFI. if you want to get everything you can outa that engine then yea go MPFI ... but its not a nessary buy.

id order through www.hmotorsonline.com , i got my b16 from them with no probs.

Get the engine and THE RIGHT ECU. Get the auto ZC ECU.

Here's some pics of mine when it was auto and ZC powered. :p
www.geocities.com/jdmzc

not to step on toes ... but you dont need to convert to MPFI ...

me and melt both run our ZC's on DPFI. if you want to get everything you can outa that engine then yea go MPFI ... but its not a nessary buy.

you guys are running sohc ZC's though, I'm pretty sure for the DOHC ZC's you have to conver to MPFI

you guys are running sohc ZC's though, I'm pretty sure for the DOHC ZC's you have to conver to MPFI

you are correct as the DOHC ZC intake manifold bolt pattern is one of a kind. Also, you can use an auto 88-89 teg ecu, and dont forget that you'll need a torque converter (im not up to speed on autos; i dont know if your stock one will work)

not to step on toes ... but you dont need to convert to MPFI ...

me and melt both run our ZC's on DPFI. if you want to get everything you can outa that engine then yea go MPFI ... but its not a nessary buy.


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It is if you really want to upgrade your motor, and get the dohc ZC, which is what I am sure he is planning on doing.

first off thats not an option in every state ... remember california is anal about cars and emisions ... its not legal in the states to do a dock swap.

now then ... to review he said he wasnt racing but instead a daily driver type car. now granted the dohc is a "stronger" engine the sohc is closer to stock for gas milage and requires nothing but engine swap and go.

someone mentioned torque converter for the car ... now i dont know if you mentioned that with the dock or the sock in mind but mine went in with out any other part but the engine so the sock doesnt require anything for it to work with exsisting tranny.

with the dock or the sock in mind but mine went in with out any other part but the engine so the sock doesnt require
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91CivicDXdude - I didn't know that there were auto 87-89 tegs!? :confused:

they made zc's auto, you can probably pick up a cheap engine/ecu/auto tranny from a zc for a decent deal cause no one really wants an auto when they swap, i talked to a guy who did that swap into his crx dx.

do you know where your friend go his?

first off thats not an option in every state ... remember california is anal about cars and emisions ... its not legal in the states to do a dock swap.

now then ... to review he said he wasnt racing but instead a daily driver type car. now granted the dohc is a "stronger" engine the sohc is closer to stock for gas milage and requires nothing but engine swap and go.

someone mentioned torque converter for the car ... now i dont know if you mentioned that with the dock or the sock in mind but mine went in with out any other part but the engine so the sock doesnt require anything for it to work with exsisting tranny.


I wear a sock on my foot.

You postive that it is not legal to do a motor swap in the republic of california, if the motor has two cams? :grinno:

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91CivicDXdude - I didn't know that there were auto 87-89 tegs!? :confused:


There are a few at the junkyards here.

the dude i was talking to who swapped an auto zc, he got it from nippon motors for "$650 with an automatic transmission included - shipping was like $250 to connecticut"

that sounds like a decent deal to me

you are correct as the DOHC ZC intake manifold bolt pattern is one of a kind. Also, you can use an auto 88-89 teg ecu, and dont forget that you'll need a torque converter (im not up to speed on autos; i dont know if your stock one will work)

care to elaborate why he would need a torque converter, i can't really think of a reason why he would

from the research i've done, he won't

Of course not. Mine worked fine with the DX tranny.

The tranny held up a good 7 months. :p

I wear a sock on my foot.

You postive that it is not legal to do a motor swap in the republic of california, if the motor has two cams? :grinno:

its not a republic ... remember arnold is in charge ... its an iron fist nation now.

dude california is whack! ... ask greg, lisa, melt, or anyone else that has lived in cali. the DOHC ZC is not a legal replacement engine becuase its not the same engine as stock. the SOHC engine is the same type, bolts right in right!?, so its legal. to use the dock engine i think you would need to have an engine that stock was dohc to start with.

they also just changed our smog laws so now we have an idle emmision test and now also a test under load. im worried my zc might not actually pass that.

Our smog laws are under idle, and under load. I have never had any problems with my motors passing.

Now, explain this. How do people smog their B16's in the 4th gen hatch?

first off thats not an option in every state ... remember california is anal about cars and emisions ... its not legal in the states to do a dock swap.

now then ... to review he said he wasnt racing but instead a daily driver type car. now granted the dohc is a "stronger" engine the sohc is closer to stock for gas milage and requires nothing but engine swap and go.

someone mentioned torque converter for the car ... now i dont know if you mentioned that with the dock or the sock in mind but mine went in with out any other part but the engine so the sock doesnt require anything for it to work with exsisting tranny.

Hello
I just did a swap on my 1989 Honda Civic 4dr DX sedan with automatic shift and fuel injection from 1.5L to a 1.6L SOHC ZC. The swap was done by Watanabe Motors (not exactly the best place as they initially put in the wrong engine, 1.5L. and I had to go back for replacement).
Would it be beneficial to put in a ZC ecu or would the DX original ecu suffice? So far I have only driven the car for 2 weeks and I do feel the extra 20-30 horsepower it generates. The only problem I have been having is that there is a tendency for the engine to overheat. I checked the cooling system but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it.
Any advice on the ecu would be appreciated, too.

do you know where your friend go his?

as crxlvr mentioned.... www.hmotorsonline.com

our friend who bought hooptie called yesterday to order a ZC, AT ZC trans, and ECU from there BUT they are currently out. says they will have more in a week.

Sweet. Send me a PM or reply whenever your get the pricing on that. I'd really appreciate it.

Sweet. Send me a PM or reply whenever your get the pricing on that. I'd really appreciate it.

it was:
engine, tranny, ecu $750
axles $100
shipping $150

i dunno what your shipping will be...but you get the idea. if you call, tell him jer from 4thgenerationcivic.com sent ya :bigthumb:

i wear a sock like a chilli pepper

any luck finding a zc with auto?

i wear a sock like a chilli pepper

any luck finding a zc with auto?


as crxlvr mentioned.... www.hmotorsonline.com

our friend who bought hooptie called yesterday to order a ZC, AT ZC trans, and ECU from there BUT they are currently out. says they will have more in a WEEK.

:grinno:

I don't really understand why anyone would want an auto anything...especially on a civic? And especially if your UPGRADING to ZC, but whatever floats your boat I guess. I have seen a DPFI ZC as well, but in half it does kind of defeat the purpose, although to me, so does the auto part.

I don't really understand why anyone would want an auto anything...especially on a civic? And especially if your UPGRADING to ZC, but whatever floats your boat I guess. I have seen a DPFI ZC as well, but in half it does kind of defeat the purpose, although to me, so does the auto part.

I'm going ZC simply because my current engine/tranny are fudged up and will not make it much longer. And since mine is setup for show and i don't plan on racing it, it just makes sense to save money on the ZC

I don't really understand why anyone would want an auto anything...especially on a civic? And especially if your UPGRADING to ZC, but whatever floats your boat I guess. I have seen a DPFI ZC as well, but in half it does kind of defeat the purpose, although to me, so does the auto part.
well, i can't speak for everybody. but i can for my friend. he has a medical condition within 1 of his legs. his last crx was MT but was really hard for him to drive so he sold it to go back to AT.

i'm finding out it's going to cost a little more but you can upgrade the AT to where it can hang with a MT car.

don't take this the wrong way but you should do some research and look "outside the box"

as for a DPFI ZC....i see it all the time. generally a sohc zc, but still a zc. why? because the owner needed a replacement engine. when a shop replaces an engine, that's all they do. they don't stop and tell the customer "for $XXX i can upgrade to MPFI...blah....blah...blah...." shoot, a lot of mechanics don't even bother to say it's a sohc zc. just call it "replacement engine from japan"

there are a handful of people i can think of who frequet here with the all mightly DPFI sohc zc. they know who they are :thefinger

You guys are all lucky then (I would love a ZC motor), where I live DOHC ZC upgrade is extremely expensive, then engine is about 900 bux, and then all the other crap, mounts, install (because I don't have the tools myself), comes out to about 1600-1800 bux. And that is true that mechanics doing engine swaps don't tell you that you should convert over to MPFI, but I have found that most mechanics don't want to deal with that swap, not even honda certified...this is where i live in southern cali though, may be different in other places.

Where do you live? For $900 american I can get B16 complete swaps and still have money left over.
That sucks.

You guys are all lucky then (I would love a ZC motor), where I live DOHC ZC upgrade is extremely expensive, then engine is about 900 bux, and then all the other crap, mounts, install (because I don't have the tools myself), comes out to about 1600-1800 bux. And that is true that mechanics doing engine swaps don't tell you that you should convert over to MPFI, but I have found that most mechanics don't want to deal with that swap, not even honda certified...this is where i live in southern cali though, may be different in other places.

i grew up in so. cali. the smog & other silly laws chased me up to OR. if i ever had to move back :uhoh:

you shouldn't need mounts for a dohc zc. that swap should run in the $1000-1500...if not cheaper these days.

most of those places don't want to deal with it because its not smog legal. i don't think they can drop some of these engines in and then let you drive off.

drive up here in the spring and we'll drop it in for ya....but you have to deal with the smog ref......DOH! :icon16:

and SiZ you'll be lucky to find a complete b16 swap for $900 let alone swapped in here in the good ol' US of A.

It always seems strange to me that you guys pay so much for used motors and other used parts. Here in Canada used parts and JDM parts are a LOT cheaper to obtain, but new parts from shops are almost twice the price of what you guys pay. I guess it balances out.

Its good for me because I have a used part budget, so Canada is my home. :)

It always seems strange to me that you guys pay so much for used motors and other used parts. Here in Canada used parts and JDM parts are a LOT cheaper to obtain, but new parts from shops are almost twice the price of what you guys pay. I guess it balances out.



it always seemed strange to me that you didn't take your cheaper jdm parts and sell them for profit to us crazy americans :screwy:

Our smog laws are under idle, and under load. I have never had any problems with my motors passing.

Now, explain this. How do people smog their B16's in the 4th gen hatch?

Ok you have to take your car to a Smog ref. Then they give you a little sticker (label) that goes on your firewall (see pic). You only get this if your car is set up stock just like the car the motor came out of including all smog, canisters, ecu, and wiring. Oh ya and of course the damn thing has to pass smog for the year the motor came out of. So now then the car goes to have the smog checked in my case I have to smog for a 95 del slow cause thats the what the motor came from. I hope this clears things up.
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it always seemed strange to me that you didn't take your cheaper jdm parts and sell them for profit to us crazy americans

Its really more trouble than its worth to me.. I work a lot, (when I'm not layed off) :p and I live pay to pay, I don't have the extra money up front to put up for a bunch of JDM parts just to hopefully sell them quick enough that my wallet doesn't notice the huge dent. Plus, there's a lot hastle with shipping to people and I don't know when people are going to jip me.

Some fun links for you Americans to look at: :p (all Canadian prices)
http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB39&Number=3107707&Forum=UBB39&Words=b16a&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=100&Old=1month&Main=3103553&Search=true#Post3107707
http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB39&Number=3212864&Forum=UBB39&Words=gsr%20motor&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=100&Old=allposts&Main=3212864&Search=true#Post3212864
http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB39&Number=3192841&Forum=UBB39&Words=ls%20motor&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=100&Old=allposts&Main=3186583&Search=true#Post3192841
http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB39&Number=3112705&Forum=UBB39&Words=ls%20motor&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=100&Old=allposts&Main=3101881&Search=true#Post3112705
Just to give you an idea.

Ok you have to take your car to a Smog ref. Then they give you a little sticker (label) that goes on your firewall (see pic). You only get this if your car is set up stock just like the car the motor came out of including all smog, canisters, ecu, and wiring. Oh ya and of course the damn thing has to pass smog for the year the motor came out of. So now then the car goes to have the smog checked in my case I have to smog for a 95 del slow cause thats the what the motor came from. I hope this clears things up.
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Oh ya this is also how Im getting away with a street legal turbo from greddy in the 89 hatch cause it for a 92-95 civic. CARB Id legal for california.

wow you guys are kinda lucky in cali where parts are cheaper up here they are just like... whats a honda?...i think i have a snowblower thats a honda you want that engine in your car?...ya they are dumb and they dont really want to do work on cars unless it is a 1969 Dodge challenger or a 68' chevelle ya know? i mean we dont even have smog tests here. as long as your blinkers work and your lights you pass...oh ya and tires too...but thats it...oh ya good luck with the ZC swap.

first off thats not an option in every state ... remember california is anal about cars and emisions ... its not legal in the states to do a dock swap.

now then ... to review he said he wasnt racing but instead a daily driver type car. now granted the dohc is a "stronger" engine the sohc is closer to stock for gas milage and requires nothing but engine swap and go.

someone mentioned torque converter for the car ... now i dont know if you mentioned that with the dock or the sock in mind but mine went in with out any other part but the engine so the sock doesnt require anything for it to work with exsisting tranny.

I guess you guys answered my first question already, but another question then is how much power could I expect for a clean swap from a sohc zc into my crx si? What do you think I could get the whp up to with bolt ons (keeping it N/A)?

the sohc zc is about 115-125 depending on where and who you ask.

and since you have the si, im gonna assume MPFI which means that youll probly be getting closer to the 120-125 range.