Rusty 2000 STS

My 2000 STS has begun to rust in the bottom corner of all four doors. I am none too pleased to say the least as GM Canada has refused to do anything about it. The rust started under the bead of sealer on the inside of the door skins. There is a seam that is formed when the sheet metal is folded over to create the edge of the door and the rust is evident on that seam. The rust has now advanced on one door around the edge and is bubbling the paint on the exterior. Also the sealer has separated from the metal on the inside taking chunks of paint with it.

My warranty is 4 years (I'm OK there) and 80,000KM. I have 95,000KM on the car so GM has absolved themselves. Both the dealer and GM corporate have refused to assist me. 15,000KM is about 9,000 miles. I have spoken to the GM Customer "Satisfaction" Line and they will not assist me.

I am not driving a Cavalier here. In Canada these vehicles cost $70,000C. For a three-year-old luxury vehicle to start rusting is not acceptable in my opinion.

Any thoughts on how I might go about convincing GM they have some responsibility here?

I have prepared some photos of the problem areas on the doors. If anyone on this forum has a 2000 STS that is close to the end of the warranty it might be an idea to check this.

See: http://www.geocities.com/myrusty2000cadillacsts/

New address:

http://www.cadillacsucks.net/

Thanks,

Dave

Im so sick of hering people pounting because their cars are rusty and it shouldnt happen.You don't want it to happen?Then start taking care of your car.Nothing harms a cars body more than dirt.I don't care if you
own a damn Izuzu,if you keep it clean,it will not rust.One of my cars is a 1990 Cadillac Coupe Deville Roadster Edition.Yes,I drive it in the winter because I enjoy driving it.And I live in upstate New York.And our winters suck.The car is almost 15 years old,Im the second owner(purchased it of a person locally and have owned for 6 years now) and theres not one speckle of rust ANYWHERE.And yes,literally anywhere.The underbody still has the maroon paint on it.You know why mines so clean?Its because the first owner and I babied the car.Its apparent that you dont take good care of yours.And heres another suggestion,get the hell out of Canada if you don't want your car rusting.I think thats enough said.My 15 year old Caddy has no rust but your 3 year old Caddy does.Hmm,this don't take rocket science. :eek7: :rolleyes: :uhoh:

Thank you for your kind words. I certainly hope you never have any unwarranted problems with your vehicles.

00STS

Maintane your car and you won't have any either.

Did you read your warranty closely?Because most warrenties cover mechanical defects only.

Hand,

According to the Cadillac dealer that has done the rust repairs the rust started IN THE DOOR CAVITY. I would ask you to tell me honestly if you regularly flush your door cavities. If you do I'm sure many of us would be interested to know how you do it.

The Cadillac warranty indicates that after market rust proofing can void warranty coverage so that doesn't seem to be the answer either (this vehicle was not rustproofed). After having the rust repairs done I had had rustproofing applied (on the advise of the GM body shop manager)hoping it will slow the advance of the rust.

Thank you for your interest.

00STS

Simple, I wash the door cavities then I polish them.

So if the warrenty does not cover body defects such as rust,then why are you complaining about the dealer not dealing with your car's problem?

When you clean the body of the car, your suppose to clean anything that has been painted, along with the entire outside of the car. So, you wash in the wheel wells, inside the doors, even the inside of the trunk if the metal is painted. That doesn't mean take a hose to it, it means clean it. You prolly didn't clean it, so it rusted.

When you clean the body of the car, your suppose to clean anything that has been painted, along with the entire outside of the car. So, you wash in the wheel wells, inside the doors, even the inside of the trunk if the metal is painted. That doesn't mean take a hose to it, it means clean it. You prolly didn't clean it, so it rusted.

Ok, let me say this one more time. The rust started IN THE DOOR CAVITY. This is the air space between the inner skin and outer skin. This explanation was given to me by the body shop manager at the Cadillac dealer that did the repairs.

I "prolly" would have cleaned it if I could have but I know of no way to do so. My point here is that a three year old Cadillac should not rust from the inside out in three years no matter where it is driven.

North American auto manufacturers are consistently losing market share to imports. There are compelling reasons to buy the products your neighbors make but we are at the point that we look past that and buy offshore for quality and customer service. It is not price....a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry cost more than a Chevy Malibu but they outsell the Malibu consistently. I believe my situation is indicative of the laissez faire attitude of N.A. manufacturers that has to be changed before this trend can be reversed.

Thank you,
00STS

How is it possible for a door to rot from the inside out?Honestly,I think your crazy.Because I just don't see that happening.

Ok, let me say this one more time. The rust started IN THE DOOR CAVITY. This is the air space between the inner skin and outer skin. This explanation was given to me by the body shop manager at the Cadillac dealer that did the repairs.

I "prolly" would have cleaned it if I could have but I know of no way to do so. My point here is that a three year old Cadillac should not rust from the inside out in three years no matter where it is driven.

North American auto manufacturers are consistently losing market share to imports. There are compelling reasons to buy the products your neighbors make but we are at the point that we look past that and buy offshore for quality and customer service. It is not price....a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry cost more than a Chevy Malibu but they outsell the Malibu consistently. I believe my situation is indicative of the laissez faire attitude of N.A. manufacturers that has to be changed before this trend can be reversed.

Thank you,
00STS

Rust is produced by exposure to moist Oxygen for a period of time. For the area you call the "inside cavity" to be exposed to moist Oxygen for a long enough period of time to rust would mean that this "inside cavity" was not sealed, and was widely open to the outside. Meaning, you has a huge ass rip in your metal, and you did nothing about it. OR, the "inside cavity" that your body shop manager spoke of is the metal area between the door and the seat, or the outside skin as you call it. which means it wasn't cleaned, and was exposed to moist oxygen for a period of time. So, either you misunderstood your shop manager, or you have a huge tear in your metal exposing the "inside cavity". Like HandofDoom said, rust doesn't start on the inside of a sealed area, it's impossible.

Or maybe your shop manager is a HUGE dumbass and shouldnt be allowed to own a car.Not to mention,how is it even possible to look at the inside cavity of a door.Yea,it sounds like your this shop guys mental or was hoping to God that you would believe his bullshit story and was hoping you'd buy a new door for 300 dollars.

So it sounds to me that you're shop manager is all money grubber and you have totally no brains.The rust didn't start from the inside of the door.Its impossible for that to happen or tell unless you cut the door wide open,which is out of the question.Start cleaning your doors man.This means a nice coat of wax too,and you won't have that problem.

Oh and also,now this is common sense here,don't you think that if it began from the inside and rust appeared on the outside that there would be a hole there?You must think before you make yourself sound silly.

"My warranty is 4 years (I'm OK there) and 80,000KM. I have 95,000KM on the car so GM has absolved themselves. Both the dealer and GM corporate have refused to assist me. 15,000KM is about 9,000 miles. I have spoken to the GM Customer "Satisfaction" Line and they will not assist me."

I must comment on this.00STS,your warrenty is 4 years or 80,000KM,WHICH EVER COMES FIRST.The 80,000KM came BEFORE the 4 years.Therefore,it does not cover squat anymore.I wonder how much custumer satisfaction laughed after they got off the phone with you.

Question, do Cadillac offer any anti-Corrosion guarantee???? Most Euro/Jap makers do.


My suggestion is sell up and buy a BMW, Infiniti, Lexus or Merc, the STS was never known for it's build quality, it was half the reason it got laughed out of Europe.

Im not sure.But whether they do or not it doesn't matter.Doors on cars just don't rot from the inside out,unless ofcourse you don't clean them.Jimster,Ive seen you around on these boards and you seem like you know what your talking about.Now come on,you don't keep your car clean,then it will rust.Even if your driving a Lexus,Benz,BMW or Infiniti.Especially living in Canada.Ive never had rusting problems with any of my Cadillacs.I can tell you now,my younger brother is 18.He drives a 1993 Eldorado.He lives in upstate New York and not a spec of rust anywhere.He even still has the orignal white paint on the underbody.He's the second owner and the first babied it as does he.Clean the car.It will not rot.But you can have optional rust proofing done if you like.From the looks of all my cars thats not necessary with a Caddy though.But then again,I did clean mine and take good care of them.Where'd you get the idea that STS's aren't built well?There built just the same as any other Caddy and there all good,long lasting luxery cars.This is with the exception of the '80s and the 4100.Junk junk junk engine.If you ask me Caddys are built very well.Mine have always run forever.

Im not sure.But whether they do or not it doesn't matter.Doors on cars just don't rot from the inside out,unless ofcourse you don't clean them.Jimster,Ive seen you around on these boards and you seem like you know what your talking about.Now come on,you don't keep your car clean,then it will rust.Even if your driving a Lexus,Benz,BMW or Infiniti.Especially living in Canada.Ive never had rusting problems with any of my Cadillacs.I can tell you now,my younger brother is 18.He drives a 1993 Eldorado.He lives in upstate New York and not a spec of rust anywhere.He even still has the orignal white paint on the underbody.He's the second owner and the first babied it as does he.Clean the car.It will not rot.But you can have optional rust proofing done if you like.From the looks of all my cars thats not necessary with a Caddy though.But then again,I did clean mine and take good care of them.Where'd you get the idea that STS's aren't built well?There built just the same as any other Caddy and there all good,long lasting luxery cars.This is with the exception of the '80s and the 4100.Junk junk junk engine.If you ask me Caddys are built very well.Mine have always run forever.
I'm sure you maintain your cars well, they last forever when you do that, even dodgy old FIATs.
But I've heard of far too many reoccuring problems with the STS to put the quality as well, high.



It's wierd though, I never cleaned the parts of the doors on the rotting Caddy, but never have had the doors rust on any of my cars- I clean the outside of the door and the door frame, but thats as far as it goes, never the backs of the door, which is why I find it interesting........

Ive only heard a few bad things about the STS's.Such as:
2000: Due to internal fluid leakage in some cars, rear-brake proportioning, ABS, traction control or stability control may not perform as designed. 2000: Inner tie-rod nuts on some cars are loose and can result in separation of tie rod, which can cause unexpected steering input.But all cars have their recalls.That don't make them poor cars.Such as BMW 3 Series: 2001: On some vehicles, tires could lose air suddenly, affecting vehicle control. 2001: Screws could fall into the parking-brake drum, reducing effectiveness or making screeching noises. 2001: Failure of engine-fan motor can cause electrical circuitry to overload and fail, causing fan to stop operating, with consequent engine overheating and possible engine damage.But there still awsome cars.And to add one more,the Lexus ES 300:Blower motor: The blower motor fails when water from the windshield leaks past a seal and into the motor. (1997)Dashboard lights: A defective EVAP (evaporative-emissions control) system charcoal canister causes the check-engine light to glow. Both new-car and emissions-controls warranties apply. (1997-98)Electrical problem: Using the wrong size cigar lighter or accessory plug causes the fuse to blow or damages the socket. (1997-98)Steering noise: Steering rack is noisy on early models. (1997)Sunroof/moonroof: Moonroof makes a throbbing noise when open unless revised deflector has been installed. (1997-98).But like I said,there all really good cars.Recalls is something just about every car has.Doesn't make them poor.

I Have A 1991 Seville That I Bought From Michigan And I Live In Arizona The Car Was In That Area For 13 Years And Their Is Barly A Little Rust Under All Four Corners Of The Doors. If You Are Worried About The Rust Than Have It Repainted. Do Not Expect Gm To Take Care Of Your Rust Problem The Rust Comes From Lack Of Washing Your Car And Not Getting The Salt Off