Lasting Power

Does anyone think that the Lancer....STI and RX8 may just push DSM cars into obscurity? I mean bad ass cars are popping up left and right. There is no doubt that the DSM can handle itself but i think the age of DSM relics are near. Also rumor is the Supra is on the way back. I think Mitsu needs to step up and offer another twin turbo 6 banger to nock on the Supras head. Simply because the 4g63 has proven it can do what most 4 bangers only dream. It's time to have a 900hp mitsu daily driver minus the 2 tons of weight (3000 gt)

so you sayin mitsu should start producing 900hp cars?

I dont think the market are into performance cars as much anymore
all you turbo cars are pretty much gone, 300Z,Supra,3000GT, Rx7 etc.

if you want a beast you'll have to build it on your own, i dont see that coming from a dealership anytime soon unless you want to spend big money and go Euro

so you sayin mitsu should start producing 900hp cars?

I dont think the market are into performance cars as much anymore
all you turbo cars are pretty much gone, 300Z,Supra,3000GT, Rx7 etc.

if you want a beast you'll have to build it on your own, i dont see that coming from a dealership anytime soon unless you want to spend big money and go Euro



No, I'm not saying from the factory. I'm saying 900hp possible out of an 4wd vehicle. The only reliable way to get this is with a 6 with twin turbo. Those cars died off because the interest left. With people getting interested in cars again, import cars at that. All the car makers are trying to make so called "rice burners." One odd example is how the Camaro died off and was basically replaced by the SRT4 as the poor mans speedster

The only car you mention that has a chance is the EVO. The STI still has the weak tranny (worse than DSMs I might add), and the rx8 is a disgrace to the rx7, though its motor is a nice improvement in the rotary technology. The DSM will always be an inexpensive way to run 11s and still drive it daily. I have no plans to upgrade as long as I can still get parts for my DSM. ;)

The only car you mention that has a chance is the EVO. The STI still has the weak tranny (worse than DSMs I might add), and the rx8 is a disgrace to the rx7, though its motor is a nice improvement in the rotary technology. The DSM will always be an inexpensive way to run 11s and still drive it daily. I have no plans to upgrade as long as I can still get parts for my DSM. ;)


I think the lancer is already pushing the 4g63 to the limits. A 700 plus hp 4g63 does not have factory internals. But supras can get well into those numbers with stock bottom ends. I think mitsu builds the best 4 cylinder engines around. But I think it's time to make 6 cyl that doesn’t play second fiddle to its 2-liter little brother. I would start off by applying lancer engine technology on a V6 platform. Lighten it and make it boost crazy. Use a 2-seater platform paying attention to saving weight and making the body rigid. Beef up the power train to handle it and you got a Mitsu super car once again.

600 HP 4g63s use stock internal, sorry if 700 isnt enough :p I see what youre saying, but the car makers arent going to do what you propose unless people will pay enough, and in enough quantity, for it to be cost effective for them. hey care nothing about what makes the best sprots car, only about what makes them the highest pofit. Unfortunately.

I think if you build some hype around it, like remember the old eagle commercials where they would blindfold a guy and ask him to tell what car he was sitting in. Or those annoying Neon ads where the car says "hi" To date I have not see one
Ad for the Evo8. I think if you sell this theoretical mitsu super car for 40 to 50g and compare it to other cars directly (Rx8 vette, 350z) you could get some of the people looking in a different direction

It's proven that the market for the cars you suggest isn't there, so the solution is to build up the car yourself... it's done all the time. I'm very interested in what will happen since the turbo generation has definately passed, but I wouldn't mind at all building a used car rather than a brand new one.
I don't think american muscle fans tried to turn newer cars into their favorites, they just kept around the classics.. and people still work with those. So I'll use the dsm framework to build my dream car(s). and to throw it in there, i think the 3000GT couldnt stand with the other 6cyl turbos. sorry :( mitsu never did make a good '6TT' if you will.

I was just saying that the market is making a come back. And the reason we need car companies to update is to take advantage of the technology only they can develop. Simply because import guys do more with less (less engine that is). To me built cars are slick but cost you more than to buy one off the shelf in the long run. When you have a good base there is less to mod. Take the Evo for example, who makes aftermarket hollow camshafts? I don't think the engine was the prob there are a few 1000hp gto's running. It's the 4,000 pounds behind it

Mitsubishi have made, for quite a few years now, the Galant VR4 with a 2.5 V6 Twin-Turbo. It also has 4WD, Yaw Control & traction Control and even tho it's a fair-sized beast it still shifts like you wouldnt believe. OK, It's not quite got the sporty looks of those mentioned above, but it can certainly run with them [in stock form, at least] and I personally think the Saloon is still to die for; I've not seen any kind of serious mods on one yet, but I think considering the potential of their other engines, this would certainly stand as a serious competitor if not for the fact you cant get them in the states :(

Maybe not the answer you guys were looking for, but it's not fair to say that Mitsubishi no longer produces these kind of cars any more !!

The best Galant that we have state side is the GTZ. Really nice car but I have only seen two in Michigan. And 4wd is not an option here. But lets say you take that engine put in a lighter body with a stiffer chassis.... you have gold. I really like the 98 to 2001 Galant body styles. Up until they started making the front grill body colored and look like the EVO 8. I like the chrome grill.

I see where you're coming from [and I pity you for not having these wonderful beasts at your fingertips, so to speak !] But at least in it's current format you get tarmac-shredding performance AND a bit of practicality all in one - You'd never have to give up your 900Bhp monster 'cos you dont have room for the kids !

You can even get an Estate [station wagon ?] version known as a Legnum, for those "labrador-to-the-vet" moments :biggrin:

I think the best performance cars will still be the Euro cars. It seems like the Japanese cars are going into a different kind of market as in getting more roomier cars. The rx8 is a lot roomier than the rx7. The evo's and the wrx's have brought a new market with the performance-sedan types. With fast all-wheel cars that you can put the whole crew in. Most two seaters are going out of style. I think the only Japanese two seater worth my money now would be the 350z. My brother owns one and it is quite a beast. i don't like the mr2 or s2000 as much. I also would like to see a mitty standing up to a supra if it comes back. Right now toyotas and hondas are in the same category in my eyes.