Battle of the beasts

What would win?

An '02 Skyline R34 GT-R or a '99 3000GT VR-4. (Both Stock)

They both are heavier than most cars. They both have twin turbo. The R34 has AWD and the 3000GT has 4WD.

I personally think the R34 would win.

The Skyline would be the winner in the race but the loser in a style comparision. :smile: The VR4 is also AWD not 4WD.


I wouldn't call them beasts, but they are a fair comparison I suppose.

yeah the vr-4 has a huge weight disadvantage with mild power advantage. i'd say skyline would come out on top.
and yogs i've read a bunch of your posts, you really hate the skyline's styling don't you? i think they have a nice, aggressive look to them, but looks are subjective.

Skyline would pull away and away...

Yeah - I think the Skyline has a very poor look to it. I'd rather have a stylish car that can compete with most anything then something a bit faster that looks like a shoe box on steriods.

Yea. Skyline's nothing phenomenal to look at. The VR-4 would get a real nice view of the back of the Skyline. Skyline has about 280ish hp at the crank, but I read an artical in Turbo Magazine (7 or 8 of '03, I think) where they dynoed a stock R34. It actually had much more hp at the WHEELS then is factory quoted at the CRANK. Don't remember specific numbers off hand, but it was something like 310whp.

I'd rather have a stylish car

Well that's what you are gonna get...b/c I havent seen the VR4's do amazing in actual races...ie Australian Touring car series or JGTC...

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/large/395-6.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/nismo1/vr4.jpg

The VR4 is not a ugly car...it's very nice looking...but the weight just sucks man...admit that much...if it weighed 3200 lbs it would be a beast of a car...and probably would have gotten a better name against it's competition of the Supra, 300ZX TT, RX7

The VR4 is a brick.

VR4: 3800lbs
(http://allacher.net/3000gt/index.html)

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Mk IV Supra Turbo: 3620 (www.i-supra.com)

1992 300ZX TT: 3474 (www.z32.org)

RX7TT: 2888 (http://www.rx7uknet.dircon.co.uk/rx7_fd3s_6.html)

GTR-R34 Skyline: 3388 for the R34, 3432 for the R34 V-Spec. (www.motorex.net)

The Supra was a lot heavier then I thought it was prior to doing this little info scavenger hunt.

THE SKYLINE WOULD FUCKING RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!
well i personally like them---->LOL

:rofl:
.:C.H.R.I.S:.

yeah skyline would win that race, depending on the year,
the 99vr4 vs the skyline would actually be a good race, i've seen both cars 1/4mile times and they are pretty much exact, all around 13.5 area

Well the Skyline would win hands down...but I want to know what would win...i'm too lazy to go and look for the specs so you guys help me out.

3000GT---stock--not VR4
Skyline----Stock--not GTR

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Specifications
Year 1999 Origin Not Available
Make Nissan Base Price $89 500 USD
Model Skyline R34 GT-R Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Front Longitudinal Drive Wheels Full Time 4WD
Configuration Water Cooled RB26DETT Inline 6 Curb Weight 1666 kg / 3673 lbs
Valvetrain Belt Driven DOHC 4 valves / cyl Length 4600 mm / 181.1 in
Displacement 2568 cc / 156.7 cu in Width 1785 mm / 70.3 in
Power 205.8 kw / 276.0 bhp @ 6800 rpm Height 1360 mm / 53.5 in
Torque 293.0 nm / 216.1 ft lbs @ 4400 rpm Wheelbase 2665 mm / 104.9 in
Bore 86.0 mm / 3.39 in Front Track 1480 mm / 58.3 in
Stroke 73.3 mm / 2.89 in Rear Track 1490 mm / 58.7 in
Redline 8000 Steering Rack & Pinion w/Speed Sensitive Power Assist
HP / Liter 107.48 bhp per litre Body / Frame Not Available
HP / Curb Weight Front Brakes Brembro Vented Discs w/4-Pot Calipers, Vacuum Assist & ABS
Gear Type Getrag 6-Speed Manual Front Brake Size 324 mm / 12.8 in
1st Gear Ratio 3.827:1 Rear Brakes Brembro Vented Discs w/2-Pot Calipers, Vacuum Assist & ABS
2nd Gear Ratio 2.360:1 Rear Brake Size 300 mm / 11.8 in
3rd Gear Ratio 1.685:1 Front Wheels F 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18.0 x 9.0 in
4th Gear Ratio 1.312:1 Rear Wheels R 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18.0 x 9.0 in
5th Gear Ratio 1.000:1 Front Tires 245/40W18
6th Gear Ratio 0.793:1 Rear Tires 245/40W18
7th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Suspension MacPherson Struts w/Addional Link, Lower A-Arms, Coil Springs,
Final Drive Ratio 3.545:1 Rear Suspension Mulitlink Setup w/Coil Springs, Tube Shocks, Anti-Roll Bar
Performance
Top Speed 249.4 kph / 155.0 mph 0 - 60 mph 5.2 seconds
0 - ¼ mile 13.7 seconds 0 - 100 mph 13.0 seconds
Lateral Acceleration Not Available EPA City/Hwy Combined 22.8 mpg
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1994-1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
This Mitsubishi has only undergone minor changes for a decade since its 1990 release. The Spyder came in 1995. Numerous facelifts have kept the styling fresh. It was sold in USA till 1999. Sold as GTO in Japan till 2001.

Base price : $30,000 (used '99) Get a free price quote

Engine : V6, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 18 mpg
highway - 24 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent upper and lower A-arms
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 320 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 315 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 5.0 sec.
0-¼ mile : 13.5 sec @ 105.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.90 g

I didn’t realize that the ‘magazine’ times were that close. I thought the Skyline would be faster in the quarter mile then that. I am going to have to revise my appraisal of the Skyline downward. I’m sure it’ll beat the VR4 from a roll, but it looks like off the line, its going to take at least the quarter mile and then some to catch up. All the while still looking like crap.

I know the weight of the VR4 is high. I never claimed it to be light. I’ve also never claimed it to be the fastest out there. I do claim that it is the best looking. That’s why I own a couple of them (if you think the VR4 is heavy – you should see the VR4 Spyder).

As for the VR4 getting raped. Please. Given that their times are so close – it’s a drivers race through the quarter and then some. At high speeds the Skyline will be king, but the VR4 is hardly standing still.

I don’t like mod comparisons because there is always another mod that can be done.

okay, as everyone knows, the 3000GT is a big boy, so that means on the track, turns are gonna be a bitch. yes, it has AWD, but that sucker weighs 1.5tons! the R34 is a lightweight compared to that!

What's the engine name for the 3000GT? If you just mention RB26 to any real car man they know what your talking about.(skyline's full name is RB26DETT)

Those specs are incorrect, youngvr4. I don't know where you got them, but the weight I found is different (and not just by a little, either) and the 0-60 time is different. Go to Motorex.net. All these people deal with are Skylines. They know their stuff. It is much faster then your stats let on. The real 0-60 time is 4.7 seconds. That's almost painfully fast. The VR4 would be seeing little more than the Skyline's tailights.

The VR4 is a brick.

VR4: 3800lbs
(http://allacher.net/3000gt/index.html)

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Mk IV Supra Turbo: 3620 (www.i-supra.com)

1992 300ZX TT: 3474 (www.z32.org)

RX7TT: 2888 (http://www.rx7uknet.dircon.co.uk/rx7_fd3s_6.html)

GTR-R34 Skyline: 3388 for the R34, 3432 for the R34 V-Spec. (www.motorex.net)

The Supra was a lot heavier then I thought it was prior to doing this little info scavenger hunt.

i got about 3500 lbs for the supra, on almost every site i went to, and mags. car and driver got 3480 for its curb weight.

facts & figures





Model R34 GT-R V-Spec


General Information



Layout Front-engine / AWD see left
Drag Coefficient [cd] NA
Curb Weight [lb (kg)] 3395 (1540) 2440 (1560)
Trunk Space [cu ft. (L)] NA

Overall Length [in. (mm)] 181.1 (4600)
Overall Width [in. (mm)] 70.3 (1785)
Overall Height [in. (mm)] 53.5 (1360)
Wheelbase [in. (mm)] 104.9 (2665)
Track Front [in. (mm)] 58.3 (1480)
Track Rear [in. (mm)] 58.7 (1490)

Steering Rack & Pinion; Speed Sensitive Power Ass.
Turning Radius [ft. (m)] 18 (5.6)
Tires front 245/40 ZR18
Tires rear 245/40 ZR18


Engine



Type RB26DETT - Inline-6; Twin-Turbo Charged
Valvetrain dohc 4-valve/cyl
Displacement [cc] 2568
Bore & Stroke [mm] 86.0 x 73.7
Compression Ratio 8.5:1
Redline [rpm] 8000

Max. Power [Bhp at rpm] 280 at 6800 (official) 327 at 6800 (real)
Max. Torque [lb-ft (Nm) at rpm] 293 (400) at 4400
Bhp/Liter 109 127.3


Gear Ratios



1st 3.827
2nd 2.360
3rd 1.685
4th 1.312
5th 1.000
6th 0.793
Final drive 3.545


Suspension



Front MacPherson struts with an additional link, Lower A-Arms, Coil Springs
Rear Mulitlink Setup with Coil Springs, Tube Shocks, Anti-Roll Bar


Braking



Front - Brakes 300mm ventilated discs with 4-piston calipers
Rear - Brakes 280mm discs with 2-piston calipers
70 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 148 (46)
60 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 120 (36.6)


Performance*



0 - 60 mph [secs] 4.8
0 - 100 mph [secs] 12.3
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 13.7 at 103.5

Top Speed [mph] 155
Lateral acceleration [g] 0.88

The Skyline Offical Site

Skyline GT-R Specs
R34 Skyline GT-R Specifications

>>>>Weight<<<<
3388 lbs
>>>>Length<<<<
181.1 in
>>>>Width<<<<
70.3 in
>>>>Height<<<<
53.5 in
>>>>Wheelbase<<<<
104.9 in
>>>>Turning Radius<<<<
5.6 m
>>>>Fuel Capacity<<<<
18.0 gallons
>>>>HORSEPOWER<<<<
277 bhp @ 6800 rpm
>>>>TORQUE<<<<
293 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm
>>>>ACCELERATION<<<<
0-40 mph 2.7
0-60 mph 5.2
0-80 mph 8.7
0-100 mph 13.0
0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 13.7 @ 103.5 mph
>>>>BRAKING<<<<
From 60 mph 120 ft
From 80 mph 204 ft
>>>>HANDLING<<<<
200 ft skidpad 0.89 g
700 ft slalom 60.8 mph
>>>>FUEL ECONOMY<<<<
Normal Driving 22.8 mpg
>>>>INTERIOR NOISE<<<<
Idle in neutral 52 dBA
Maximum 1st gear 78 dBA
70 mph 76 dBA


Motorex

hey i'm not tryna be a dick, but every were i keep going it has the same stats, i looked at motorex.net but the 1/4mile time isn't listed :banghead:

just like motorex, i've seen 2 other stats with the 0-60 in 4.7
i'm kinda a 1/4mile freak, i go by 1/4mile times
but at the same time, if it does go 0-60 in 4.7 it probably runs the 1/4mile in 13.4 or 13.3
nah ignore that, you can't really tell.

this car has dif stats everywhere
oh and my stats came from supercars.net
and some other place i found in yahoo.

It also matters on the person driving.

Okay, we all know everything on the R34, but what's up the the 3000GT? all i know is that it has turbo, AWD, 6-cyl, 1.5tons, and is pretty fast compared to other cars.

You guys have to keep in mind that stats like curb weight, 0-60, 1/4 mile, and those sort of things vary by conditions, drivers, and model years. All stats won't be EXACTLY the same. Hell...I was grabbing every magazine I saw that had the 350Z in it when it came out...the 0-60 times varied from as low as 5 all the way up to 5.6...these things vary. I've seen the times for the 1990-1996 300ZX TT 0-60 quoted as low as 5.2 seconds and as high as 5.8.

The stats I gave for the R34, VR4, 300ZX (if you REALLY want me to, I can varify this for sure. I have a 1992 300ZX dealer brochure...I can tell you ANYTHING you want to know about this car), the RX7, and the Supra are accurate. Check the sites I used. They are dependable sites.

Also...keep in mind...weight is the easiest thing to modify on a car...just start rippin shit out.

what yr is that mk4 supra that you got the specs for? cause ive looked at like almost every site, with almost all the yrs, and the weights always at least 100lbs less than what you posted.

What were the names of the first 2 cars in this thread? R34 and 3000GT! I'm not asking about Supras. They suck on the 1/4 and track because of their FR. AWD cars get more tracking and better launch off at a dead start.

did you say supra's suck in the 1/4
ok, 13.5 really sucks ha :disappoin
not IMO

91-93 vr4's run 13.9 300hp 305lbs of torque
97-99 run 13.5 320hp 315lbs of torque 3.0liters twin intercooled etc....

the other years are inbetween like 13.7 and so forth, but don't qoute me on that.

I dunno.....I listed all my references. Click on if you doubt it.

I dunno.....I listed all my references. Click on if you doubt it.

i dont trust that site, ill go with what car and driver says, and what most every magazine i read says.

Ok....that works.... :dunno:

Thank you! i finally got some 3000GT specs! Can i get more? Yeah, i know the R34 will beat it anyways, but i still want 3000GT specs.

Go to lycos and just do a search for "3000GT VR4". There is quite a following for this car and there is massive amounts of info out there that's not hard to find.

okay, as everyone knows, the 3000GT is a big boy, so that means on the track, turns are gonna be a bitch. yes, it has AWD, but that sucker weighs 1.5tons! the R34 is a lightweight compared to that!

What's the engine name for the 3000GT? If you just mention RB26 to any real car man they know what your talking about.(skyline's full name is RB36DETT)
No- there has never been an RB series engine more than 3 litres..........Unless you meant RB26DETT- which everybody knows in the first place

Yup. 2.6 liter inline 6 cylinder.

No- there has never been an RB series engine more than 3 litres..........Unless you meant RB26DETT- which everybody knows in the first place


Yeah :banghead: typo. i'll go fix it now. thanx

What were the names of the first 2 cars in this thread? R34 and 3000GT! I'm not asking about Supras. They suck on the 1/4 and track because of their FR. AWD cars get more tracking and better launch off at a dead start.

You know absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:

Just because a car is FF or FR doesn't make it inferior to and AWD on the strip or the track. Let me remind you that the Skyline's RB26DETT is VERY heavy. This means that the car like to keep going straight when you try to turn. It is called inertia and its a bitch. The Skyline is very front heavy. Your biased opinion has blinded you from the facts. :disappoin

The Skyline is no lightweight, but is an amazing car on the track. I actually downloaded a video off Kazaa that had a street race with a few diff years of Skylines, the newer RX-7, and some other cars (I'm pretty sure there was NSX and something else) but I can't remember what they were exactly. Guess what won............

Yeah, so, I have a video of two AE86 Corollas beating an GTR-34 on the track. The Skyline had to take much wider turns, why, because it is front heavy.

Skylines get so much hyp for a reason, their very competitive on the track. (in their class) I would put my money on the Skyline over the VR-4 due mainly to the weight of a VR-4. A Supra has lots of hyp to, their dyno queens, thats about I can can muster for them. I wouldn't bet a stock Supra would outperform a Skyline on the track.
And I believe in Japan there is a 280hp rating limit on street cars(im pretty sure). Thats why the Skyline is rated "280hp", even though everyone knows its more like 330.

R-34 beat by 2 corollas? Well...those corollas were modded to all hell and back. That and the R-34 wasn't trying. The track must have be a one lane wide square. R-34s are awesome on the track. There is a hp limit in japan that's 287, I think. Imagine that......the Skyline is rated at 287. Stock, the Skyline kicks a whole lot of car's asses in just about anything you can pit it against. With some mods......pfeh.....forget it.

I knew it was in the 280s hehe. Maybe thats why the 350z is rated 287hp. They don't break the rules.........they live on the edge of the rules lol.

I haven't thought about the 350Z being rated 287 because of that. Could be.....I dunno.

R-34 beat by 2 corollas? Well...those corollas were modded to all hell and back. That and the R-34 wasn't trying. The track must have be a one lane wide square. R-34s are awesome on the track. There is a hp limit in japan that's 287, I think. Imagine that......the Skyline is rated at 287. Stock, the Skyline kicks a whole lot of car's asses in just about anything you can pit it against. With some mods......pfeh.....forget it.

Sorry to have insulted the God of all cars. With a heavy front end the Skyline likes to make wide turns while the AE-86 is a lot lighter and more nimble. I don't care how much power the Skyline has. Power is nothing without control and I must say that the Skyline doesn't handle as well as you all make it out to be. I can tell from watching the video that the guy in the Skyline was trying easily out powering the Corollas in the straights but they would catch up to him on the turns and eventually got past him. I guess if there were a lot of straight aways on the track the Skyline would be better suited and the Corollas would have lost.

I just don't think that you understand what you're talking about. The Skyline was overhyped here in the states and all these people think it is the God of cars because of the RB26DETT. I personally thing the VQ is a much better engine and I'm glad they got rid of that overweight engine. That engine threw off the weight balance of the Skyline big time. You Skyline fanboys are just as bad as the Z06 fanboys. It seems that those two cars are just unbeatable. Give me a damn break.

Sorry to have insulted the God of all cars. With a heavy front end the Skyline likes to make wide turns while the AE-86 is a lot lighter and more nimble. I don't care how much power the Skyline has. Power is nothing without control and I must say that the Skyline doesn't handle as well as you all make it out to be. I can tell from watching the video that the guy in the Skyline was trying easily out powering the Corollas in the straights but they would catch up to him on the turns and eventually got past him. I guess if there were a lot of straight aways on the track the Skyline would be better suited and the Corollas would have lost.

I just don't think that you understand what you're talking about. The Skyline was overhyped here in the states and all these people think it is the God of cars because of the RB26DETT. I personally thing the VQ is a much better engine and I'm glad they got rid of that overweight engine. That engine threw off the weight balance of the Skyline big time. You Skyline fanboys are just as bad as the Z06 fanboys. It seems that those two cars are just unbeatable. Give me a damn break.

I WANT A COROLLA!! And good point polygon, Skyliners are pretty front heavy, which really hurts your handling, unless say your drifting maybe?

The Skyline's S-HICAS system does a great deal to prevent understeer due to a front end biased weight distribution. I know what you are talking about...I disagree. It isn't the "God of Cars" because of the RB26DETT...it's the combination of that, the S-HICAS all wheel steering, and the ATESSA (or ATTESA or ATTESSA or however it's spelled) all wheel drive system that makes it what it is in addition to the engine's beyond extreme modification potential.

I'm not a fanboy...that's the gayest thing I've ever heard....just because I disagree with you, you call me names. I'm getting 7th grade flashbacks.

This was the icing on the cake:

Sorry to have insulted the God of all cars

Whether you be referring to me or the Skyline, I don't care....immature...I'm unsubscribing.

The Skyline's S-HICAS system does a great deal to prevent understeer due to a front end biased weight distribution. I know what you are talking about...I disagree. It isn't the "God of Cars" because of the RB26DETT...it's the combination of that, the S-HICAS all wheel steering, and the ATESSA (or ATTESA or ATTESSA or however it's spelled) all wheel drive system that makes it what it is in addition to the engine's beyond extreme modification potential.

The reason the RB26DETT had extreme modification potential is because of the fact that it was an overly built engine with a rock solid bottom end. I also don't care what computer systems you have working for the handling of a car, they are only there to save your life and will only slow you down if you know what you're doing. As for the four wheel drive system, while impressive, can't counter that weight. While watching different Skylines take hard turns they always seemed to have to take them wide.

I'm not a fanboy...that's the gayest thing I've ever heard....just because I disagree with you, you call me names. I'm getting 7th grade flashbacks.

I called you a fanboy because you sounded like one.

R-34 beat by 2 corollas? Well...those corollas were modded to all hell and back. That and the R-34 wasn't trying. The track must have be a one lane wide square. R-34s are awesome on the track. There is a hp limit in japan that's 287, I think. Imagine that......the Skyline is rated at 287. Stock, the Skyline kicks a whole lot of car's asses in just about anything you can pit it against. With some mods......pfeh.....forget it.

This was the icing on the cake:

Sorry to have insulted the God of all cars.

Whether you be referring to me or the Skyline, I don't care....immature...I'm unsubscribing.

I was referring to the car. I don't see how that was immature, that is what most people make the Skyline out to be. I was more or less being satirical. Sorry you take things just a little to personal.

i think the same way about awd, front wheel driver, that they re usually nose heavy, but whatever you say, the skyline still seems to beat almost everything out there, cause of its sophisticated awd system.

By no means am I trying to say that the Skyline is a bad car. I am just saying that it isn't all that it's cracked up to be and that it does have flaws.

yeah, i really don't think its the god of cars, but i do believe its the god of the imports. and i still think the vr4 and the skyline is a good match.

an old friend of mine watched a drag race between the 2 and the skyline ran 12.9 and the vr4 ran 13flat, it was in cold weather, probly sea level
cause those cars don't run that fast stock, but theres a big diff in speed when its cold then when its warm outside, ask anyone with a turbo
and intercooler.
anyway everywhere i look it says they run same 1/4mile times but some say the skyline runs 13.7 and some say its 0-60 is 4.7 (but don't give the 1/4)
all stats for the vr4 say 13.5
but i do believe the skyline is faster than 13.7 i believe its more like 13.4
depending on the weather.

Skyliners seem to beat everything in their class. I mean they are only rated 287hp. That puts them in a class with a po dunk competition compared to it. Why else would you think a car can considerably pull away from all the other cars in its competition, not due to awd, that will actually slow you down more on the top end. Whats the video where the skyliner was in a race against the 350Z, S2000, M3, and the Porsche. It smoked them all. Not because its amazingly better in performance, its sheer power vs. the rest. The only other car their who would of had a chance was the M3, but it was caught up in traffic as the Skyliner was already at the heels of the 350Z. Skyliner's push about 50 more horsies than its rated, kinda like the new Cobra's. And its far from the God of all Cars. Thats the Z06 (lol, im just jk) its actually a Civic I think..........hatchback maybe...either that or the impressive Honda Element. :screwy: