B16 swapp or jus get a diffrent car?????

i have a 91 crx dx.... and i have a cat bac exhuast, carbon fiber altezza lights all around. 16' konig monsoons, and a cd player with a lil system... should i do the engine swapp, b16a1, which i could get engine and tranny for around 1500 or save up and get a better car such as-3000 gt, 240sx, or older supra(itll be my second one). do u think its worth doing the swapp or jus getting a faster car?????

swap will cost at least 2200 with all the parts, if you do labor your self.

Give me your car and I will point you in the direction of a car lol

i think you should do the swap if you could do it yourself or you have friends and if not get pricing on shops, at the least you should convert to mpfi first yourself (because shops for some reason charge a lot more for a swap if you have to convert ive checked)

Just get a different car.

Just get a different car.
if someone would have told oyu that would you have still made your car the way it is? sounds like the only real difference is his is a crx

if someone would have told oyu that would you have still made your car the way it is? sounds like the only real difference is his is a crx

I never questioned whether or not my 4th gen is the coolest damn car I could own. I love mine..

If he things a 3000Gt or a older Supra or a 240 are even close to his CRX, then I don't think owning it and dumping even more money into it is the right thing to be doing.

The swap may sound like a lot of cash, but if you ask anyone on here that's done it, it's more than worth it.

With the $$$ you'd save in a potential car payment & insurance the swap would be more cost effective IMO...

Buy my swap for 1500 complete with HCP mounts ,Hasport shift linkage, axles and intermediate shaft.

I never questioned whether or not my 4th gen is the coolest damn car I could own. I love mine..

If he things a 3000Gt or a older Supra or a 240 are even close to his CRX, then I don't think owning it and dumping even more money into it is the right thing to be doing.
true true...

Well i would suggest to do the swap you will not be sorry. It's all about power to weight the other cars you had mentioned also are alot heavy cars. If you were talking a 1993 RX or Toyota Supra turbo that is a different story. I have a Toyota Supra it's a wild car but the CRX can run circles around it thru tight windy turns. It will run you about 2500 to do the swap the right way. If you take your time and don't rush things. I can help you with anything you might need to know it's pretty straight forward. I have done atleast 35 swaps so far. I can tell you where to get a JDM for a good price and i might even be able to swing the 1991 Integra XSi 170hp motor it has a 60mm throttle body and a more aggressive cam with 10:4:1 compression. That plus a chip in the ECU with your exhaust you will get 180hp. It will be a fun drive compared to the bulky cars you mentioned.

Peace Bro

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! 170hp XSi motor?! 180hp with a chip?!

No ones gonna buy that crap here.

Well you must not know a whole lot about engines SiZ read and weep! LOL !

In 1991, the range received minor cosmetic changes. More significantly the B16A engine was enhanced to current generation specs; 10.4 CR, wilder cam-profiles; producing 170ps. The 1991 revision also saw the introduction of the first 1.8l engined Integra. The DOHC (non-VTEC) B18B was first used on the 1991-1993 Integra ESi where it produced 140ps.




http://asia.vtec.net/specs/daintegra/


Peace Bro

Wow! If the internet says it, it MUST be true! :icon16:

Ya.. I don't know much about engines. I'm so new to this game. What does the B stand for?
If you really think you're gonna get 180hp from a chip and a 91 teg engine I'm gonna assume you've never raced off your keyboard.

yes i have raced alot the b is a the series of the block which is interchanges with other componets within the b series family and all B series engines are DOHC motors any other questions!

the b16 was introduced in 1989 here is a list of the family that follows

B16A G1 - The original motor introduced in JDM 1989 Civic/CRX (EF body) and JDM 1989 Integra (DA body)
B16A G2 - From JDM 1992-1995 Civic (EG body)
B16A G3 - From JDM 1996+ Civic (EK body)
B16B - From the JDM 1997+ Civic Type-R

B16A's close DOHC VTEC sibling
B17A
B18C
B18C 96 spec.R
B18C 98 spec.R

if you don't know don't speak you are getting egg on your face BRO
also if you use the XSi motor with a OBD0 PR3 ECU with a good flow exhaust and a MUGEN PR3 ECU "CHIP" you can squeeze 180hp i have dyno it.

Peace BRO

the xsi is the 1.6 jdm integra engine. hes not full of it he probally right about the figures too. is the xsi engine the same as swapping in the b16 though? if you don't believe him just go to www.hmotorsonline.com look thru the entire engine catalog not too many pages just look for the xsi integra swap.
ons second thought here you go
www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=category&keyword=JDM%20USDM%20Engines

its the 3rd one down.
:werd:

The XSi is the same damn engine as the SiRs, why would it be any different? Why would they change a B16 for the XSi?! It always been the same.. The new B16s make 170 (jdm) because of higher compression ratio, better cams, and a better intake manifold.

I think he's confusing the B16A with the B17A wich is 170hp in the 91 GS-R.

Bro get it straight if you don't know motors i would not talk i have been rebuilding honda motors for 10+ years that is what i do! The JDM B17 that you are referring to does not produce 170hp it's 160hp @ 7600 rpms the motor you are referring to is a 10:0:1 compression motor

JDM B17A
92-93 Integra GS-R


This is the motor that i'm refering to technically it's from model year 91 1/2 to 4/93

B16A 92-93 Integra (XSi) 170Hp 113Trq 10.4 Compression (JDM OBD I) this motor has a larger throttle body 60mm verses the 58mm on the SiR and the cam is alittle more agressive of course the gas mileage is not as good as the SiR however it kicks ass.

the SiR motor is 10:2:1 compression there for it's 160hp stock

You keep going around in circles look at the motor for yourself.

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=category&keyword=JDM%20USDM%20Engines


Peace Bro

Let see some 180hp dynos with just a chip! :)
Back it up!

The dynos print outs went with the swaps i did why would i keep somebody else's dyno printout. Secondly you seem to be interesting in winning something! How old are you? You seem like you know it all but yet you really know nothing. There is nothing to backup! The facts are in the numbers if you can do basic math that is. If i remember that test output it was 181.2hp but of course i rounded it off. You are wrong so you are lushing out, the bottom line is i'm here to help the person who posted the this. Not debate about what is real with a person that waste people's time. If you need some proof ask around about he motor call some shops, you will get your answer if you don't believe anyone. To me you are a joke and a waste of time to talk with. So do your homework then talk right now you are wasting my time when i could be helping someone else out.

P.S also can you read? chip and flowing exhaust DOH!


Later Bro

LOL!~

You're trying to take people as suckers, we here know better than that.. We get trolls like you all the time. I have crediblity, you're a newbie spouting off storys and just expecting us to believe you.

180hp at the wheels with a chip and a free flowing exhaust?! Dude, you must be on crack if you think we're gonna believe that, guys with builds with thousands of dollars into their motors don't get 180whp, let alone from a freakin' Mugen chip and an exhaust.

181.2 hp with a chip and an exhaust.. Of course, 181.2 is just off the top of your head, with some rounding right!? :banghead:

IBflamewarburnsthisthreadtotheground

but i got your back SiZ, no worries there

There's no flamewar whatsoever, I'm just trying to keep this board informative. He's making claims about engines that seem impossible to me in all the shit I've seen in years. SO, I'm telling him to back it up or I'm not going to believe it. :)

Come on kids! are you feeling bad because your car does not meet up to 180hp are you feeling insecure about your car? you must have a piece of shit engine in your car. 180hp is not hard to get if you already have 170hp dork! Not unless you are one of those kids that thinks stickers will make him go faster! LOL i know what i have built and i still see the same cars with engines i swapped driving around everyday so there is nothing needed to prove i have the customer base that is enough. LOL! I can see you also don't know how to drive as well nice wreck did a deer do that ? Yeah bro i'm sure he's got your back LOL!

Whats a matter, run out of things to say!? Where's the evidence? Oh, nevermind.. Just start calling names, that will detract from the fact it was all shit talk.

You want to know whats under my hood (even when its smashed up)?! Here's a pic I just took.. Since you know so much about them I'm sure you can recognize it.
http://kenscivic.homestead.com/files/newengine.jpg

EDIT: Did you just ask if a DEER did that to my car?! Do you THINK a deer would gouge up the carbon fiber like that, and snap my hood lock right into peices?! Geeze, THINK!

oh did the gold valve cover add 10 hp? anyways the talk about the xsi is believable. what you don't think with proper tuning from of the ecu and replacing a restrictive exhaust you can't make good numbers from already good numbers first you said the motor didn't exist now you're saying it can't be done make up your mind you're just trying to win the arguement.

oh did the gold valve cover add 10 hp?

Why are you dissing my vavle cover? You don't have anything to say?!

anyways the talk about the xsi is believable. what you don't think with proper tuning from of the ecu and replacing a restrictive exhaust you can't make good numbers from already good numbers first you said the motor didn't exist now you're saying it can't be done make up your mind you're just trying to win the arguement.

I HAVE the XSi motor, with the S1 tranny.. AND NO, you're not going to get 10hp from a damn exhaust and a chip. SHOW ME if its doable.. I bet you wouldn't gain 5hp from an exhaust and chip. I bet a B16A (of any gen) with just an exhaust and chip isn't going to dyno to any more than 145hp.
I'm just stating the facts.

You might get 180 flywheel hp with a mugen chip and exhaust but there is no way you are going to get 180 whp with just those mods. Most guys with b16a engines and bolt ons dyno between 140-150 whp depending on the health of the engine and the bolt ons. It usually takes some different cams, headwork, and fuel delivery upgrades to get up towards 180 whp.

But he seen it.. One dynoed, roughly 181.2hp (rounded). :rolleyes:

just STFU siz u cocky SOB, u act like its whats his face with the twin carbsetup, ur always on someones ass :loser:

ok the vavle cover was a joke man i couldn't help it :evillol:
and the reason i think its believable is dyno testing in magazines. i think if a magazine can get 20 hp to the wheels with just an intake then exhaust and chip could get to 180hp. i have never seen it but he says he has and it seems believable. just my :2cents:

What magazine got 20 whp with just an intake??? If they did I need to get myself one of those super intakes. :rofl: Also what else was done to the motor?

It was either supperstreet or sport compact car can't remember it was a while back. they were doing one of those testings where they did dyno runs with like 10 different intakes. the aem cold air made just under 20 hp at the wheels over the stock one. this was on a completely stock sx type s if i remember correctly.

Gotcha, it was on the rsx no wonder. The k series are choked up on the intake and exhaust and opening them up provides really good gains. On the older b series engines you aren't going to see 20 whp. Maybe 8-10 at the most.

i was just saying that what he said about the 180 was believable thats all. siz just jumped down his shit as soon as he said it so i took the other guys side :rolleyes:

NO ITS NOT! And why is someone telling me to STFU?! I'll post whenever whatever I want about anything..
This is totally false information, you're NOT GOING to get 180hp out of a B16A with just a chip and exhaust. You aren't gonna! Do a search for a thread by HONDABOND called "What does what" or something like that, just recently. It had a few dynos in it, and I posted a couple up.. Most of them were making around 140-150hp with I/H/E.. Thats nothing compared to the BS claim of 181.2 (rounded) with just a Mugen chip and an exhuast.

ALSO, how is a B16 going to make 180hp out of a chip and exhaust, just explain it to me.. I'm very open to REAL information, just not when someone is just shooting their mouth with no idea of what they're talking about. Consider this.. The B16B makes 185hp. It has higher compression, better intake manifold, better exhaust, factory header, better cams, better ECU, port and polished head. Do you STILL think you're gonna get 180hp out of a 91 B16A (worst IM and cams of all B16s)?! Just show me and I'll shut up.
AND even a B16B wouldn't dyno anything NEAR 181.2hp (just off the tip of someones head).

If we just accept false information what is even the point of this webboard?!

ok siz im sowwy :rolleyes: calm down man it'll be ok :screwy:

I'm with Siz. I have an xsi motor. Same exact motor from the sir. XSI 1 million series and the sir is the 5 million series (correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure i'm right). Also xsi comes with eitehr j1 or s1 tranny i think.And NO NO NO NO you are not gonna see 180 hp with exhaust and a chip ecu. MAYBE at the flywheel but you can forget about the whp. NO way no how. Its not gonna happen. Shit if that was true then theres no point of me having my c5 motor (still unfinished). I went 1.8 to be in teh 12s. Its easier to be in the 12s ALL MOTOR then a b16. So if what this guy is sayin is true which is not by the way, then i would just keep my b16a motor and get that ecu chip and exhaust. I mean seriously 180 whp on a rex would bang low 13s all day without anything else done to it. Shit if that was true, i'd just get that wonderful ecu chip ,exhaust and call it a day . Oh just because you got "info" from www.hmotorsonline.com doesn't mean they're right.:rolleyes:

If its on the intARnet, its true!

Thanx for all ur reply's....
Cept for all the bitching :swear:
n e wayz, i might jus put the b16 in it kuz i wuz with my friend in his galant, and that bitch wax's my kar, but we were on the interstate and a red crex came bside us n we were already doing 80 and we hit it, and the crx stayed in the same gear and jus hung with us till bout 100 and then he down shifted and fuckin dissapeared i swear!!! im talking we were doing 110-120 and he was pulling away like it wuz nuttin...... :owned:
Thanx
-donel
:newbie:

Thanx for all ur reply's....
Cept for all the bitching :swear:
n e wayz, i might jus put the b16 in it kuz i wuz with my friend in his galant, and that bitch wax's my kar, but we were on the interstate and a red crex came bside us n we were already doing 80 and we hit it, and the crx stayed in the same gear and jus hung with us till bout 100 and then he down shifted and fuckin dissapeared i swear!!! im talking we were doing 110-120 and he was pulling away like it wuz nuttin...... :owned:
Thanx
-donel
:newbie:

maybe he hit the naws :icon16: honestly who downshifts from 100?

maybe he hit the naws honestly who downshifts from 100?

That could be true, but i kno that my kar will do over 120 in 4th so if i wuz cruzing in 5 i would deff d/s 2 fourth 2 get the higher revs, but thats jus me i guess.... :evillol: