Turbo Prices
MB38
10-14-2003, 10:28 PM
Why is it that every turbo kit I find has a $10,000+ price tag? Honestly.
The first thing that confuses me is that they all use an external wastegate. With the low boost and low airflow that these turbos are producing, they could easily go with an internal-wastegate turbo and save more than a thousand bucks up front.
But, unless logic is escaping me, it seems it should be priced more like this:
Turbo: $1000
Piping (custom): $500
ECU: $500
Fuel System: $300
Intercooler: $500
Boost Controller: $300
Clutch: $500
Misc: $500
With a buffer, it should come to under $5000 start to finish.
Why on earth do the E36 turbo kits cost so much? Now, my turbo knowledge isn't BMW specific, so there must be something that i'm missing... that makes up that extra $5000 friggin' dollars.
What's going on?
The first thing that confuses me is that they all use an external wastegate. With the low boost and low airflow that these turbos are producing, they could easily go with an internal-wastegate turbo and save more than a thousand bucks up front.
But, unless logic is escaping me, it seems it should be priced more like this:
Turbo: $1000
Piping (custom): $500
ECU: $500
Fuel System: $300
Intercooler: $500
Boost Controller: $300
Clutch: $500
Misc: $500
With a buffer, it should come to under $5000 start to finish.
Why on earth do the E36 turbo kits cost so much? Now, my turbo knowledge isn't BMW specific, so there must be something that i'm missing... that makes up that extra $5000 friggin' dollars.
What's going on?
Sexy beast
10-27-2003, 12:50 PM
Because companies think BMW owners are rich so they rip them off for every penny they have.
Pringles
10-29-2003, 08:03 AM
Building a turbo kit for a BMW isn't any more complicated than building one for a Honda.
They charge those inflated prices because they know people will pay them.
They charge those inflated prices because they know people will pay them.
Audi Ryder
11-01-2003, 12:31 AM
That's not entirely true. The fact is, German-Engineered cars don't take well to tuning. Much more time and effort is required to make modifications work. ECU tuning is way more difficult than that of a honda, for the fuel and ignition systems are more complex. Sure, you label the hardware prices, but think: Do all turbo systems cost the same? You can definately build a turbo kit for a benz or bmw with cheap parts, but when you blow up your motor (like hondas and toyotas do regularly) it will be nobody's fault but yours. Eurocars require the best parts. Get the best parts available the first time, and have your turbo last the life of the car. That's how I build them.
BiMMa b0i M3
12-29-2003, 05:27 AM
when I had my E36 M3, I paid like 4k for everything (turbo, wastegate, air filter, blow off valve, turbo timer, ecu, intercooler, y-pipe) and I did the install myself.
r34-gts
01-23-2004, 08:35 AM
you look at top of the range. i paid 14500 for min ive got a 318i.
3sMike3s(PA)
01-30-2004, 01:14 PM
eric_r
03-02-2004, 01:46 AM
Honestly, you get what you pay for.
Companies like AA put countless hours of R&D into their kits.
Turbo's aren't for BMWs IMO. They are deriven from N/A race cars and turbo lag isn't very N/A like!
Eurosports soon-to-be-released Twin Screw Opcon supercharger should be $7,000 and produce 345 hp @ the wheels, and I believe 280lbs of twist with almost a perfectly flat torque curve starting at 2,000RPM to redline. On 8psi with stock internals, catback exhaust, Eurosport reprogrammed ECU, 91 octane gas (this is in california.. it is basically detuned. You will get a lot more power from a car that is tuned for higher octane fuel as most states can get it.
Turbo's aren't that great.. Ive been living with Turbo cars for ever and they are horrible when it comes to lag, you can't get rid of it.
Companies like AA put countless hours of R&D into their kits.
Turbo's aren't for BMWs IMO. They are deriven from N/A race cars and turbo lag isn't very N/A like!
Eurosports soon-to-be-released Twin Screw Opcon supercharger should be $7,000 and produce 345 hp @ the wheels, and I believe 280lbs of twist with almost a perfectly flat torque curve starting at 2,000RPM to redline. On 8psi with stock internals, catback exhaust, Eurosport reprogrammed ECU, 91 octane gas (this is in california.. it is basically detuned. You will get a lot more power from a car that is tuned for higher octane fuel as most states can get it.
Turbo's aren't that great.. Ive been living with Turbo cars for ever and they are horrible when it comes to lag, you can't get rid of it.
Platinumm3
10-24-2004, 02:47 PM
1997 BMW M3
110,000 miles
Silver/black luxury interior
New BMW M3 Floormats
Carbon Fiber interior
Carbon fiber door pulls
AA Shifter
AA Handbrake
Viper Keyless Alarm
6 disk CD Changer
18 inch Hamann HMII’s
Custom sound system
VDO Boost Gauge
VDO EGT Gauge
VDO Fuel Pressure Gauge
Greddy Profec B Electronic Boost Controller
Greddy Turbo Timer
SPEC Clutch Stage 3
SPEC lightweight flywheel
New Brembo Crossdrilled Rotors
Custom exhaust and downpipe
Turbonetics Turbo
Cartech intake manifold
Custom cold air intake
High flow catalytic converter with removable straighpipe
Turbo Excess Blowoff Valve
Tial wastegate
Front mount intercooler
Plugs and wires
50 Lb injectors
New spark plugs
Programmed ECU with Active Autowerkes, custom tuning paid for life of vehicle so that car can be tuned for any application
List goes on and on…please email me if you have any questions or for pictures if you are interested…..Serious buyers only…..great project car…lots of power…however has much more potential and I do not have the funds to continue….
$25,000 obo.
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110,000 miles
Silver/black luxury interior
New BMW M3 Floormats
Carbon Fiber interior
Carbon fiber door pulls
AA Shifter
AA Handbrake
Viper Keyless Alarm
6 disk CD Changer
18 inch Hamann HMII’s
Custom sound system
VDO Boost Gauge
VDO EGT Gauge
VDO Fuel Pressure Gauge
Greddy Profec B Electronic Boost Controller
Greddy Turbo Timer
SPEC Clutch Stage 3
SPEC lightweight flywheel
New Brembo Crossdrilled Rotors
Custom exhaust and downpipe
Turbonetics Turbo
Cartech intake manifold
Custom cold air intake
High flow catalytic converter with removable straighpipe
Turbo Excess Blowoff Valve
Tial wastegate
Front mount intercooler
Plugs and wires
50 Lb injectors
New spark plugs
Programmed ECU with Active Autowerkes, custom tuning paid for life of vehicle so that car can be tuned for any application
List goes on and on…please email me if you have any questions or for pictures if you are interested…..Serious buyers only…..great project car…lots of power…however has much more potential and I do not have the funds to continue….
$25,000 obo.
see my gallery for more pics
DinanM3_S2
10-24-2004, 04:32 PM
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