damn you honda

what the hell is honda waiting on? why wont they come out with a sport compact with a turbo or a car that stock can run with srt-4 neons? it doesnt have to be turboed but how the hell do they think there going to keep people buying ther cars if for 20k you can buy a turbocharged neon with 227hp what do they have for us an rsx-s 200hp 25k or a civic hb 160hp 20k im not by any means saying these cars are bad but for 5k less you can get a car that is turboed and that can beat the rsx-s now for the s2000 i love the car i love the look and the power (247hp i think) but i dont have 33kto buy one and if i did why not save 13k and get a srt-4 now i know that there is a big differents between honda and dodge but come on give us something for those damn neon does anyone else feel like this or is it just me?

I feel your pain. Honda keeps denying the sale of a Type R in the US, while other manufacturers are releasing some great cars here, the WRX, STI and Evolution for example. The new civic SI isn't bad, but I too would rather buy an SRT-4 for the same price. The S2000 is sweet, but its a bit expensive, and for that price, I could get an STI and spank it. I think if honda built a factory turbo, and priced it competitively, it would sell. What would really turn heads would be a sweet RWD sport coupe, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

If anyone at honda that has any pull is reading this, then get a clue and give us something worth buying. You are losing a good portion of the sport compact market to these other manufacturers. Yes, the honda aftermarket is great, but people want something fast right from the dealership. And I would buy one if you guys had the balls to build one.....

god forget teh SRT-4 i want see honda pump out a AWD rally stlye car that pwns teh EVO and STI for less then them and i know you guys can pull it off!

what the hell is honda waiting on? why wont they come out with a sport compact with a turbo or a car that stock can run with srt-4 neons? it doesnt have to be turboed but how the hell do they think there going to keep people buying ther cars if for 20k you can buy a turbocharged neon with 227hp what do they have for us an rsx-s 200hp 25k or a civic hb 160hp 20k im not by any means saying these cars are bad but for 5k less you can get a car that is turboed and that can beat the rsx-s now for the s2000 i love the car i love the look and the power (247hp i think) but i dont have 33kto buy one and if i did why not save 13k and get a srt-4 now i know that there is a big differents between honda and dodge but come on give us something for those damn neon does anyone else feel like this or is it just me?

You obviously do not grasp what is great about Honda. The fact that Honda prides itself on laying down such high hp per liter motors NA is what makes them great. If you let that slip your mind then why do you even own a Honda? If you want something cheap then get a Dodge. So Dodge slapped a turbo on a 2.0 litre and got those numbers. The S2K has the same size motor w/ no turbo and lays down more. If you can't grasp the concept then you do not deserve to even touch the S2K. Not to mention the fact that the SRT-4 is the first boosted 4 banger Dodge has manufactured. We'll see how dependable the car is within the next 5 years. Show me any other auto company that has produced 1.8 liter that can lay down 200hp or a 1.6 that can lay down 185. You want boost? Buy a different brand of car. You want cheap boost? Buy a Dodge. Damn you Honda? No damn you. I consider myself a purist and all this talk is BLASPHEMY.

Damn B16EJ1 laying the smack down!!!!.

But yea, Honda doesn't feel the need to compete with things like the SRT-4, why would they. Shit I tell you what, lets do a race from coast to coast, full speed, and see who rides back with who, I'll give you a SRT-4, I'll take my hatch.

You obviously do not grasp what is great about Honda. The fact that Honda prides itself on laying down such high hp per liter motors NA is what makes them great. If you let that slip your mind then why do you even own a Honda? If you want something cheap then get a Dodge. So Dodge slapped a turbo on a 2.0 litre and got those numbers. The S2K has the same size motor w/ no turbo and lays down more. If you can't grasp the concept then you do not deserve to even touch the S2K. Not to mention the fact that the SRT-4 is the first boosted 4 banger Dodge has manufactured. We'll see how dependable the car is within the next 5 years. Show me any other auto company that has produced 1.8 liter that can lay down 200hp or a 1.6 that can lay down 185. You want boost? Buy a different brand of car. You want cheap boost? Buy a Dodge. Damn you Honda? No damn you. I consider myself a purist and all this talk is BLASPHEMY.

Actually, the SRT-4 has a 2.4L engine and yah, I bet the entire motor and turbo setup was molded out of plastic to gain the $19,995 price tag. I still wouldn't mind having one around to just completely beat on, they are pretty fast.

Woah, someone needs to take a chill pill. Im a Honda person, and probably know the most shit in here. You know, it helps to know about other stuff tha just Hondas. You would then know that Dodge has made plenty of turbo cars, and with success, I might add, and the SRT is the first in about 10 years. Omni GHL-S? Unassuming little piece of shit ran low 15's in the mid 80's, Daytona Shelby-As in Carroll Shelby? Shadow CSX? Spirit R/T? And comparing the S2000 to the SRT? There is a $13,000 difference I believe. Compare the SRT to the Civic Si, since they cost 20K.

As far as laying numbers. SR16VE, beats Honda by 5 HP. Nissan. 190 HP, 1.6 liter.

But, given 20K, id get a white used 2002 RSX-S, and make it into a Integra Type R.

Im a Honda person, and probably know the most shit in here. You know, it helps to know about other stuff tha just Hondas.
Damn dude, try not being so full yourself, makes you sound like a moron, besides I've seen you thrashed here, and on another board because you tried to act like you knew something, and found out you didn't know nearly as much as you wish you did. :loser:

honda is a good manufactuer of high hp vehicles, but they simply cannot compete at the same cost level that the other car makers are putting them out for. 227hp at 20k is amazing, the SRT-4 is very quick and not nearly the first turbo dodge has ever made, even the turbo caravan was pretty quick. the s2k needs a nice SC on it for less money then the 32k price tag so it can compete, at least closer to the EVO and STI.

You are correct about one thing. I actually forgot about the fugly ass Nissan Pulsar. The engine is bad ass. But the blue top has 175hp and the red top has 197hp so yeah they do have Honda beat. As far as Turbo Dodges being a success. :bs: You can count on one hand how many cars are still on the road and for good reason. Oh and the simple fact that you are one of those losers who compare cars by prices and not classes discredits EVERYTHING you claim to know. Yay, for you knowing absolutely too much about nothing at all.

Neons rarely last 60k miles as is, adding a turbocharger to that won't exactly prolong its lifespan... And about the $20k pricetag, all I can say is you get what you pay for. My '00 hatch was $13k new, no options or anything. A $4k engine has brought her to life, and I'd rather have 185hp from a 1.6L than 227hp from a messily-engineered 2.4L turbocharged piece of plastic. Dodge has .8L and compressed air on their side, and what do they create from that? 40 unreliable hp... wow. Oh yeah, then there's the price difference in insurance which I won't even try to compare.

1st off i want to say i do own a honda but thats beside the point. like i sayed before im not saying honda are bad cars and im not saying they should come out with something turboed but it sucks that a pos neon can beat any stock civic,integra,or rsx. i know that the s2000 has a smaller engine and it has more hp but it cost 13k more for what 20 more hp i just think thats BS. beside who gives a crap if honda has a 1.8 with 200hp it still cant beat the neon all im really saying is i think they should step up to the plate i really dont see honda coming out with any FI car because i dont think they have ever had one and i know thats not what they are about they like the N/A motors but way wont they just come out with a car thats can run with a neon for around the same price i think alot of you missed the point i just really wanted to know what they are waiting on. oh yea about a neon not making it to 60k miles my cheap ass dad has a 95 neon with 156k miles and there isnt anything wrong with it so dont say that a neon will break down after 60k also from what ive seen and heard about the neon some mag took it apart and said it was put together really well and they where very surpised that dodge had some really good parts already in it

oh yea about a neon not making it to 60k miles my cheap ass dad has a 95 neon with 156k miles and there isnt anything wrong with it so dont say that a neon will break down after 60k
Not in Ohio where it snows one day, and is 85 the next.. dirty, rusty cars run rampant around here.

Not in Ohio where it snows one day, and is 85 the next.. dirty, rusty cars run rampant around here.


yea but come on thats not dodge's fault if your weather is f**ked up dude i know neon suck. it just you all think im trying to talk shit about honda and im not

Damn dude, try not being so full yourself, makes you sound like a moron, besides I've seen you thrashed here, and on another board because you tried to act like you knew something, and found out you didn't know nearly as much as you wish you did. :loser:

When did this happen here, and when/what is the other site? My thing is dont bash on all other shit when you dont know anything, about other Honda's, and especially other makes. Ive gotten into an argument about 94+ Integra's having SOHC carb, then we were going into other stuff, all of which I was correct about, then someone showed me the Honda Jap site, saying "we know all that too", and Im like "fine, then why are you arguing!?" Although I got my info from a couple of years into the scene, that site CONFIRMED all the stuff I know is correct, so I wouldnt call that "being thrashed". And besides, I know about more than Honda's, which you probably dont. So, unless you are ASE certified, and know the vast amount on ALL cars that I do, your words mean little to nothing. And Ive NEVER been proven wrong on this board, or any other. I remember you being a cool guy, what bit you in the ass? :loser:

Hey it's the beloved diegoaccord. Glad to see you got rid of that humungous gay sig finally... I wish the majority of retarded 16 year olds like you would take their asses to another board. I think it's funny how everywhere you post a big argument follows because you think you know it all.

. So, unless you are ASE certified, and know the vast amount on ALL cars that I do, your words mean little to nothing. And Ive NEVER been proven wrong on this board, or any other. I remember you being a cool guy, what bit you in the ass? :loser:
You want to know what bit me in the ass, this board and the wealth of misinformation and bogus benchracers that hand out information. And then The "I know it all" attitude people who never actually help people, they just post half assed crap to try to make themselves sound smart. As far as ASE, nope, not ASE certified, as a matter of fact an ASE certification means about as much to me as any other piece of paper found in a cracker jack box till it's backed up by action, which I have seen quite a few "I am ASE certified" mechanics that knew about as much about a car as I do about thermal dynamics, not a whole lot. I don't need a piece of paper to tell me what I know, my actions, and experiance speak for themselves. If I was going to get a paying job in the automotive field I would take the test (have taken part of it, didn't do too bad either) for the field I chose, but this is a hobby I have entertained for several years now, not a job An I highly doubt you know more than me about cars, performance, etc... but hey as always you can look it up on the intraw3b to try to sound teh smart. Like I told you before, I have forgotten more about cars than you have actual hands on knowledge, and there really is no need to try and respond with another "I know it all' statement, as no one wants to hear you drone on about how much you know. And yes even though my first car was an Accord, I have since then in the last sixteen years had quite a few other cars, and have built up a few for myself and others, so I know a little bit about other cars out there guy.

As a matter of fact, did you know Diego that hte ASE is broken down into catagories ranging from sales and service to deisel engine to transmission, to brakes ect...so if someone says they're ASE certified it don't mean jackshit unless it is in the field they tested and trained in.

1st off i want to say i do own a honda but thats beside the point. like i sayed before im not saying honda are bad cars and im not saying they should come out with something turboed but it sucks that a pos neon can beat any stock civic,integra,or rsx. i know that the s2000 has a smaller engine and it has more hp but it cost 13k more for what 20 more hp i just think thats BS. beside who gives a crap if honda has a 1.8 with 200hp it still cant beat the neon all im really saying is i think they should step up to the plate i really dont see honda coming out with any FI car because i dont think they have ever had one and i know thats not what they are about they like the N/A motors but way wont they just come out with a car thats can run with a neon for around the same price i think alot of you missed the point i just really wanted to know what they are waiting on.

It's you who are missing the point. Who cares if Honda has a 1.8 w/ 200hp??? It still can't beat a Neon??? You are really beginning to piss me off. Like I said before, you do not deserve to drive a Honda. If it bothers you so much then sell your Teg and get a Neon. Leave Honda's to true believers and enthusiasts like myself. Step up to the plate??? Shoot yourself. http://www.garagetuners.com/images/smilies/wave-finger.gif

Hondas are Hondas, you can not possibly compare any other car to them. Hondas are just a different animal. You can't compare an S2K to a Neon, if you take care of the S2K it will last 300,000 miles with out anything major breaking, neon? I don't know? Its a dodge, and its FI.

My dad's had his 87' Prelude for 330,000 miles now, had to replace the engine at 300,000 because the timing belt snapped (somewhere around 270,000), I don't know the details but the motor wasn't the same after that. The car hasn't needed any tranny work except for a new clutch. He claims its still as tight and solid as the day he got the car. He takes care of the car but that doesn't keep him from taking it out on the hills every once in a while.

Didn't intend to get into a testimonial there, but I would like to see an American car go that long with out something serious breaking. It just pisses me off having people rant on Honda, they know what there doing. Still it would be nice to see a RWD coupe out of them.

It's you who are missing the point. Who cares if Honda has a 1.8 w/ 200hp??? It still can't beat a Neon??? You are really beginning to piss me off. Like I said before, you do not deserve to drive a Honda. If it bothers you so much then sell your Teg and get a Neon. Leave Honda's to true believers and enthusiasts like myself. Step up to the plate??? Shoot yourself. http://www.garagetuners.com/images/smilies/wave-finger.gif


1st off dude i dont know you and i could take less if i piss you off and yes you are still missing the point all im trying to say is if they want to keep people buying there cars they should come out with something new with more power and i could care less if you think i shouldnt own a honda if i wanted a neon i would get a neon if i didnt give a fuck about hondas there would be a neon in my driveway right now but i dont like them and i will never buy one i really dont see why you are so pissed i didnt start this so people would be all pissed off you make it sound like im saying honda sucks

1st off dude i dont know you and i could take less if i piss you off and yes you are still missing the point all im trying to say is if they want to keep people buying there cars they should come out with something new

Yeah, I'm sure you know what Honda needs to do to keep up with Dodge. :rolleyes: Maybe they should make you a CEO since you know what sells. Last time I checked, the RSX and Si have sold more than the SRT4.

god forget teh SRT-4 i want see honda pump out a AWD rally stlye car that pwns teh EVO and STI for less then them and i know you guys can pull it off!

HELL YEAH, thats what I would want to see also, but I doubt it would happen. Oh well we can always hope. :naughty:

but it sucks that a pos neon can beat any stock civic,integra,or rsx.
Um, no a POS RT isn't going to beat a ITR, maybe a SRT-4, but not any POS Neon.

i know that the s2000 has a smaller engine and it has more hp but it cost 13k more for what 20 more hp i just think thats BS.
Try driving a s2000, then try complaining about the extra $13,000. I garrantee you, it is worth if over the SRT-4, it has alot better handle, reliability, looks a million times nicer, and the list goes on. It isn't just some slapped together for the mass's turbo project that some company put together in a vain attempt to keep up with the market <cough>srt-4<cough>, it has it's own market.

Yeah, I'm sure you know what Honda needs to do to keep up with Dodge. :rolleyes: Maybe they should make you a CEO since you know what sells. Last time I checked, the RSX and Si have sold more than the SRT4.

i didnt say i know what honda NEEDS to do im just saying it would be nice. oh and last time i check the srt4 hasnt been out as long as the rsx or the si. beside have you taken the tell to stop bitching at people and looked at the si its a freakin minivan i think honda could do a lot of thing different but i not the CEO and i dont work in sales i would just like to see honda come out with something new thats looks nice too. i love my honda i want to get a new honda but i dont have the money to buy an s2000 and i dont really like the way the rsx looks but that just my opinoin and you dont have to like it its a free country. dude take a break you are getting so pissed about nothing just people talking

Try driving a s2000, then try complaining about the extra $13,000. I garrantee you, it is worth if over the SRT-4, it has alot better handle, reliability, looks a million times nicer, and the list goes on. It isn't just some slapped together for the mass's turbo project that some company put together in a vain attempt to keep up with the market <cough>srt-4<cough>, it has it's own market.

Yeah you faggot honda haters buy your SRT-4 and we'll buy our s2k's. Then in 50,000 miles we'll race when your engine is blown and our Honda is still running strong. Then you can put another engine in there and we'll see it blown in another 50,000, if that. Just remember, you get what you pay for. :banghead:

Yeah you faggot honda haters buy your SRT-4 and we'll buy our s2k's. Then in 50,000 miles we'll race when your engine is blown and our Honda is still running strong. Then you can put another engine in there and we'll see it blown in another 50,000, if that. Just remember, you get what you pay for. :banghead:
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and say you quoted me by mistake, and then went on your own rant saying the same thing I did, in your own way. But you really should try reading what you're quoting before doing so, and make sure that it makes sense to quote it.

Yeah jcrx i quoted the wrong thing man, my bad.

dude are you talking to me? if so i dont hate hondas i own one for a reason becuase they make good cars. im just saying it sucks that they cost so much. the srt-4 isnt the only car out there that can beat a honda, i mean think about it you can buy a EVO for what 28k. do you think thats a bad car to? what about the STI 32k around the same price as they s2000 but look what you get for around the same price a car thats a lot faster and doesnt look to bad.im not just talking about the srt-4 although that is really all that has been talked about i guess maybe a lot of you think im trying to beat up on honda but i not i like hondas i would just like to see the prices come down some i mean come on you wouldnt like the see the rsx-s come down to 19k-20k or the s2000 come down to 25k?

Hey 98-integra I see what you are trying to say and I agree that people should not get all pissed-off about the issue- you're just expressing your opinion- and not dissing honda and their cars. I think it might be nice for honda to go turbo but I like the fact that you can get a N/A honda at a very descent HP rating and boost it yourself. Cuz think- if Honda/Acura keeps producing better cars w/ better hp but N/A -then slapping a turbo or supercharger will smoke most things in the hondas or acuras class. Thats my :2cents: But I hear where you are coming from.