9's & 10's

Alright here is the deal. I am very new to the imort thing. All my life I have grown with american v-8's and working on big motors. Anyways I recently bought a 96 intgra ls with the intention of building the shit out of it so it can pull down 9's in the 1/4. Because I am so new to these types of motors I am in the research stage. I am gathering as much info as I can before I start this project. I have done alot of online research, and now I want to find out what others think. Like I said i want it to do 9's, and I want to know how to do it. Keep in mind money is not a problem because this will be an ongoing project, and streat legality is also not of any concern cuz this will strictly be for racing (not daily driven). I want to know what rout to take, and everthing I will need to know to do this. thanks for the help.

full tube chassis, built ls motor to hold like 35+ pounds of boast, big shot of nos
gutted fiberglass body

or just drop a small block v8 in the bitch

i agree with the first part but dont put a "small block V8 in the bitch" if you want to put a v8 get a ford or chevy thats where they belong not in honda besides i guess the reason you got a honda is because you wanted to try something diff. so that would kind of defeat the propose wouldnt it

i agree with the first part but dont put a "small block V8 in the bitch" if you want to put a v8 get a ford or chevy thats where they belong not in honda besides i guess the reason you got a honda is because you wanted to try something diff. so that would kind of defeat the propose wouldnt it

Yes you are right.I don't want to throw a 8 in there because that would defeat the purpose. Don't get me wrong if do have a place in my heart for good ol v8's, I grew up with them, but personally I think the teg looks better than any affordable v8 out there, and I want to try something new. Everyone I know who races serously has a cobra or a 5.0 built to shit to do 9's and 10's and 11's. I want something different like you said. I want to do it out of a 1.8. I need to know top to bottom if these little motors can do it, and how without droping a v8 in it. Is it better to keep the ls motor, I know they are very friendly for high boost due to low comp. or is it easier to do with a b18c1, or b18c5 motor. Like I said I am very new to honda motors. this is my first, and I want to gather as much knowledge about them as I can before I start dumping my money into it. thanks

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heres somethings that might help. i think dart makes a block for the 1.8 but can't remember if that was for the GSR or LS. you're going to have to redo everything for sure. no cutting corners. you said money was not an option right. ok you're going to definitly be running a big ass turbo and some NOS. you should look into the PRO FWD race cars and see what there running cause it takes a good bit to get in the 9's. to start with it won't be a 1.8 anymore cause you'll want to bore it for sure im thinking. they make some monster bore sleeves but can't remember where i saw that. youll need the top of the line everything. DARTON makes a good sleeve so you can boost the shit out of it. you'll want a good crank like eagle or something. have it prepped. don't go cheap on the your rod and piston combo. you'll more than likely have to call a company like JE or Eagle and some custom made to suite you. for the head hope you know someone that knows how to do a 4 cylinder head good cause you'll need a hella port and polish, race cams, best valves, highpressure dual valve springs, titanium retainers, etc. This is just to get you started and to give you an idea though. if i were you id spend probally a month or two on just research to make sure you get as much as possible from what you're going to have. ANYone feel free to correct me or to add on. and welcome to the world of the inline four.

Dart does make a B18 block, as well as a B20. And the blocks have oil squirters like a VTEC block would have. I'm not sure if it was designed for the GSR head or the LS head. Honda Tuning did a turbo buildup of a Dart B18, and they got over 500 HP out of it. http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/ This is a link to Honda Tuning's tech page, where the two part article is located. Mind you that was a 1.8, the 2.0 block would yield even greater results, more if you were to tune the engine to handle the boost and nitrous. One of these blocks would be an excellent platform to build from. It will take quite a bit to get 10's, even more to get into the 9's, but it isn't impossible.

Best of luck with the project, and let us know how things go!

hell, put on the bottom from a crv. think it bolts on. then stick a turbo to that. dont forget to build the engine too. they have some turbo cams too.

thanks for all the info so far. Yes I will be doing research for at least 2 more months before I dive into a project like this. A couple of questions. Would it be wise to drop a B20, or a B22 into this car to get the results I want. And to be a little more realistic, I think I will aim for 10's and then go from there to try and get into 9's. Like said above it isn't impossible but it will take alot of work. As far as boreing out these motors, what kinda bore has been effective on the 1.8 or 2.0. I know I saw a thread from a while back that had a 1.8 that was bored to a 4.8 and was pushing 4,000 horses. now I am not looking for anything even slightly like that, besides I don't want a chevy motor, I would get a camero if I wanted one of those. As far as where i will have the boring and port and polish, both of my uncles used to work as pit crew at drag races in cali.( like I said raised with american meat) and they still have access to those shops, and I could probably have them help find a place that could do it for me, or maybe they could help out themselves. anyways thanks for the help so far.

yeah the dart build up sounds good. and i think when hp raceing hit 10.40's they said it would take another $20,000 to get into the 9's. you could always go pro and do the circuit to pic up some sponsers. and the 2.2l engine is an H22 not B22. Its the Dohc Vtec prelude engine. It's actually what Papakadis used to get into the low 8's with but that was tube chassis fiberglass body. and did some crazy mounting with the engine too.

If you're serious don't fuck around with an H22, the trannies suck for high RPM shifting.

Here's a recipie to go 9's: CRX, tube frame it, lexan windows, fiberglass body, since you arn't trying to fit into a class make everything as light as possible, get that bitch down to like 1300 pounds. For the motor get a B18C1/C5 block, GE godzilla sleeves, portflow head, ferra springs valves retainers etc, some billet custom ground cams from comp (I think cammotion is doing honda cams now too, i'll look into it), a BIG intake you want lots of plenum volume with a turbo, for turbo i'd use a full-race prorace T4 flanged manifold with a bigger turbo like a .81 or .96 A/R PT74-GTQ and a goodly sized spearco box air/water intercooler, for motor internals you don't need a new crank, keep the stocker have it zero balanced maybe knife edged if you want, throw some oliver or pauter billet rods in along with some 10.5:1 CP pistons, figure out tranny issues and you're ready to rock. If you're going to really make a race car why not run it on meth, then you can skip the intercooler. I don't really know why i'm wasting my time typing this though, we all know that you arn't going to build a 9 second race car.

If you're serious don't fuck around with an H22, the trannies suck for high RPM shifting.

Here's a recipie to go 9's: CRX, tube frame it, lexan windows, fiberglass body, since you arn't trying to fit into a class make everything as light as possible, get that bitch down to like 1300 pounds. For the motor get a B18C1/C5 block, GE godzilla sleeves, portflow head, ferra springs valves retainers etc, some billet custom ground cams from comp (I think cammotion is doing honda cams now too, i'll look into it), a BIG intake you want lots of plenum volume with a turbo, for turbo i'd use a full-race prorace T4 flanged manifold with a bigger turbo like a .81 or .96 A/R PT74-GTQ and a goodly sized spearco box air/water intercooler, for motor internals you don't need a new crank, keep the stocker have it zero balanced maybe knife edged if you want, throw some oliver or pauter billet rods in along with some 10.5:1 CP pistons, figure out tranny issues and you're ready to rock. If you're going to really make a race car why not run it on meth, then you can skip the intercooler. I don't really know why i'm wasting my time typing this though, we all know that you arn't going to build a 9 second race car.

thanks for all the help. and yes I am serously thinking about doing this. I am contamplating( sorry if spelling is off) moving down with my uncles to try and learn as much as I can from them. I just called and found out that they can do professional porting and polishing, and boring. well pretty much every thing. I just need to find out if they can do it on a honda motor. I know these motors are pretty alien looking to me, and I am not sure how much experience they have with them seeming how they worked for a drag outfit and most if not all of their work is on american motors. I would like to get into the 9's but will be satisfied with 10's. I figure if I am going to do this I will do it right. thanks again for the suggestions.