Questions for the knowledgable: Type R Integra

OK, I've got some question that've been eating me up and I need them answered.

I'm looking at getting an integra in a few months but there are some things I want to clear up before I actually make the decision. Also bare in mind I live in new zealand (really).

1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?

2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these. Either because I currently own a 5000 RPM at 90kmh 1.5L civic right now, which makes be fixated with being able to gain high speed with low revs, or I like the idea that I can travel at around 250kmh while running away from the police. Either way, I REALLY WANT ONE. I've also heard that 5th gear is kind of short on the type R and semi-long highway journeys can be a nightmare. Does anyone know which model the switch was made from 5 speed to 6? 99, 00, 01. There's a big difference in price and if it's too much, how much would I reasonable be looking to pay to get one installed on a 5 speeder?

3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs. Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?

Thanks, I think that's it. Any and all answers will let me sleep that little bit better at night.

I am not expert nor do I own a Type R so take this how you want. Now, we are obviously from different country's so our terminology might be different.

1) I have never heard of a transmissin damper. Also, these cars do not have driveshafts.

2) Here in the States, the last year for the 5sp tranny was '01 I believe. In 02-03(?), Honda/Acura went to the RSX Type S which is the 6sp. I cant really give you any comparisons between the two.

3) I am not sure on prices either.

4) Regarding forced induction, if its going to be a daily driver, I would not mess with it. Maybe just bolt ons, i.e. intake, header, and exhaust. When you start adding the forced induction stuff it just gets to be a hassle. My :2cents:

5) Type R's are great from the factory so I would not worry about any type of controllers unless you decided to go forced induction.

6) I would just turn the radio up. :biggrin: This is another thing I cant give you much advice on either.

Btw, check you private message box.

1) WTMF are you talking about? That's the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard.

2) The only Teg w/ a 6-speed is the new DC5 chassis and since you are looking for a used one, you can throw the 6th gear thing out the window. Oh and by the way, the reason you are at 5k at 90kph in 5th is because your current motor and tranny suck so before you complain about something you know nothing about, I'd do some reading. The 98+DC2 chassis had the highest frinal drive in any honda and no you can't install a DC5 tranny on a DC2 motor.

3) www.kbb.com ( not sure if it applies to you )

4) Seeing as you don't know much I highly suggest you forget about changing VTEC cross-overs, rev limiters or fuel maps. These things are modified w/ other mods such as aftermarket cams, reprogrammed ECU's, etc.

5) Blah, blah, blah.

Hey man, if you are just going to get on here and flame right off the bat, just dont post. He is just trying to aquire some info on a potential new toy. Its not like he mentioned F&F. We all started somewhere.

4) Regarding forced induction, if its going to be a daily driver, I would not mess with it. Maybe just bolt ons, i.e. intake, header, and exhaust. When you start adding the forced induction stuff it just gets to be a hassle. My :2cents:


I agree... see what you can get all-motor... then, if need-be, add some boost!

OK, I've got some question that've been eating me up and I need them answered.

I'm looking at getting an integra in a few months but there are some things I want to clear up before I actually make the decision. Also bare in mind I live in new zealand (really).

1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?

2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these. Either because I currently own a 5000 RPM at 90kmh 1.5L civic right now, which makes be fixated with being able to gain high speed with low revs, or I like the idea that I can travel at around 250kmh while running away from the police. Either way, I REALLY WANT ONE. I've also heard that 5th gear is kind of short on the type R and semi-long highway journeys can be a nightmare. Does anyone know which model the switch was made from 5 speed to 6? 99, 00, 01. There's a big difference in price and if it's too much, how much would I reasonable be looking to pay to get one installed on a 5 speeder?

3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs. Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?

Thanks, I think that's it. Any and all answers will let me sleep that little bit better at night.


If a stiff ride and noise is not your thing, neither is the type r

i think you would be much better off with a family sedan

if you have some money, buy an audi or a bmw

1) WTMF are you talking about? That's the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard.

2) The only Teg w/ a 6-speed is the new DC5 chassis and since you are looking for a used one, you can throw the 6th gear thing out the window. Oh and by the way, the reason you are at 5k at 90kph in 5th is because your current motor and tranny suck so before you complain about something you know nothing about, I'd do some reading. The 98+DC2 chassis had the highest frinal drive in any honda and no you can't install a DC5 tranny on a DC2 motor.

3) www.kbb.com (http://www.kbb.com) ( not sure if it applies to you )

4) Seeing as you don't know much I highly suggest you forget about changing VTEC cross-overs, rev limiters or fuel maps. These things are modified w/ other mods such as aftermarket cams, reprogrammed ECU's, etc.

5) Blah, blah, blah.

Isnt the RSX called integra everywhere except here? I know in Japan ofcourse it is still called the intgera so i would guess that where he lives it is called integra also. And yes you are right changing fuel maps and such has to be done by someone who knows exactly what they are doin otherwise you end up with a car that runs like crap.

In Japan it's called a Honda Integra. The used 98-01 Type R's can be bought for like $15,000-$20,000 U.S.

You can't expect a sports car to be nice and quiet with a smooth ride. The entire chassis is built up differently on the Type R than the other tegs, providing a stiffer ride. The all-motor powerhouse is going to make some noise, live with it.

Forced induction is a rediculous idea on a Type R because if it's already-high compression. In other words, it's already cramming a lot of air in there and squeezing it down really tight for the boom. Forcing more air into the engine would make the boom blow out the side of your block if not built correctly. You'd have to lower the compression and strengthen the internals. With that, you could have bought a GS-R and saved your money.
Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

If you put nitrous on a beautiful Integra Type R, I'll find out where you live and kill you. You don't know enough about cars to be spraying redneck boomjuice into a rare, ingeniously engineered car like this.
6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these.
You sure are fixated with a lot of things... Try fixating on buying a V6 4-door sedan rather than ruining some poor Integra.

redneck boomjuice

[Jack Nicholson voice]YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE JUICE!![/Jack Nicholson voice]

:lol2:

Hey man, if you are just going to get on here and flame right off the bat, just dont post. He is just trying to aquire some info on a potential new toy. Its not like he mentioned F&F. We all started somewhere.

Flame??? Someone comes here practically bashing a fine automobile w/ absolutely no clue as to what he is speaking on and it's okay?

1)Everything on the Type R was planned to be so. If you have a gripe w/ any aspect of the R then it's not for you. You want a quiet car? Get a Kia Sephia.

2)Bashing on the gear ratio on a Type R is downright rediculous. It has the highest final drive of all B series.

3)Boosting a Type R is "blasphemy" for lack of a better word.

4)If you have no clue as to why people use aftermarket engine and fuel management systems then just forget about it before you break something.

I may sound harsh or as is I'm flaming but I'm not. Flaming is simply bashing a person w/ no intentions of help at all. You can still take from what I've posted and learn from it. So just shut the hell up , Mr. Post police.

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1) WTMF are you talking about? That's the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard.
I was refering to this statement. So he did not now so what. Just simply say, "They dont exist." He is new to the ITR world and should have researched more before he posted.

They Hype ARrRr is just another car. It aint Gods chariot. :shakehead

Listen patriotic 'fuckers' (and I use the term patriotic out of context but it still works!). I'll add nos if I want to. Maybe not the boost (ALTHOUGH I'VE HEARD OF QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ADDING A TURBO AND/OR SUPERCHARGER WITH GREAT RESULTS, which was the initial reason for my QUESTION (please understand the use and nature of this word)).

As for a 'rough ride' and 'more noisy', you're all little girls. My 88 civic has tougher suspension and runs twice as loudly as this car. I'm glad I took it for a test drive before you bunch of sissies scared me off. The rev's are are actually more comforting. They're 'slightly' louder than my CIVIC but with much less 'road noise'. This car is comfortable compared to what I'm driving. This begs the real question: is my civic really that bad or do you all cry when big scary car go vroom vroom at traffic lights?

Thankyou to everyone that was actually helpful.

Do what you want. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you plan to do. I say go right ahead with your so called plans. You have obviously displayed that you lack many skills and knowledge to even accomplish your dreams and yes I mean dreams cause that's the closest you'll ever get to it. Even if you do get there I guarantee that it won't last long enough for you to even post about it. I never said it was Gods chariot either. How does " a fine automobile " translate to "God's chariot" ? Who's flaiming now n00b? I'm done with you two. Try to teach some young amateur's something new and they walk all over you.


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OK, I've got some question that've been eating me up and I need them answered.
If these are the kind of questions that eat you up, you have issues

1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?
Huh?, if you mean the rubber dampner that goes on the axles (also called driveshafts, (for whoever said ITRs don't have them, like trannys are also called gearboxes)) I was not aware that they don't, but that just helps keep vibration down.

2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these.
Why, they're pretty much useless. For freeway cruising at 150 plus they're good, but I don't see much of that, and I live in Germany, and use the autobahn, and have no need for a 6th gear. I drove a Mercedes with one, and only used it very rarely.

3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.
have no clue what cars cost in New Zealand

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs.
ITR's are more built towards N/A applications, I have seen a few boost ones, but it is a lot of work, and TUNING

Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?
Best avoided as a sole power adder, as people tend to get irresponsible with it and blow their motors trying to squeeze more than it can handle, but if you want a small shot run between a 35-55 Hp and you should be fine. On a side note,Its not like he mentioned F&F. We all started somewhere. most people who don't have prior experiance call it NOS because that is what they saw in the movie. It is called nitrous oxide, NOS is Nitrous Oxide System, which is a product brand name produced by Holley.

5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?
DO NOT fuck with vtec engagment points, or fuel maps. Hondata is great, BUT you HAVE to have someone who KNOWS what they are doing tune them. And Honda engineers are pretty damn smart, so without significantly modding you motor, you really don't have a whole lot of need for a adjustable system.

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?
I'm sorry, but if this is a true concern, maybe a sports car isn't for you, as most are noisy, whether it is from lack of sounddeadening material, or loud motors.

Yep, you got it buddy. Because I have less than 1500 posts on AF, I am a young amateur n00b. You are a typical e-thug. :rolleyes:

When you say stuff like this...
3)Boosting a Type R is "blasphemy" for lack of a better word.
...it makes me think that you believe the the ITR is Gods Chariot. Thats all.

I am glad you are done cause I am tired of hearing from you.

Do what you want. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you plan to do. I say go right ahead with your so called plans. You have obviously displayed that you lack many skills and knowledge to even accomplish your dreams and yes I mean dreams cause that's the closest you'll ever get to it. Even if you do get there I guarantee that it won't last long enough for you to even post about it. I never said it was Gods chariot either. How does " a fine automobile " translate to "God's chariot" ? Who's flaiming now n00b? I'm done with you two. Try to teach some young amateur's something new and they walk all over you.


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AND who designated YOU the "old professional"? Who gave you the "I know Hondas better so I can call you an amateur" diploma?

I have been dealing with Hondas since 1992, and I have MANY things I have yet to learn about them. I have never called anybody else an amateur, because until the day I work as a Honda tech, I AM an amateur. So, unless you ARE a Honda technician, or engineer, refrain from those comments.

As for the original question, I'll answer the six-speed portion of it.

This company, http://www.wholehyper.com/engine/rsx-mounts.html, sells custom bolt-on mounts (no cutting, or welding) for you to fit a DC5 (Acura RSX/Honda Integra) six-speed K20 motor into a DC2 (Acura/Honda Integra) chassis.

I don't know about you, but my friend's shop, which specializes in Hondas, can procure a JDM K20 for about 5,000 US dollars (sorry, don't know conversion rates), which is only about 500 US dollars more than what he can get a B18C5 for. Considering you are a lot closer to Japan, and the fact that you have a bigger JDM market there than we in the US have, I would think you'd find it cheaper.

The advantages of the K20 are:
-- bigger displacement
-- more TQ
-- more flexibility in tuning (the "i" in i-VTEC; i.e., bigger gains per mod)
-- same over-all weight as a B16
-- six-speed, for closer-spaced gears for optimum usage of the VTEC-band
-- exclusivity

The only major disadvantage a K20 has against a B18 is the fact that the K20 has less aftermarket support at the present, and less time for tuning experience from shops. Hytech Motorsports have already gotten 320WHP from an N/A K20, so it's getting up there.

I know all these things because I am seriously contemplating a project such as this, when I'm done with my SR20DET project into my B13 SE-R. One turbo, one N/A.

AND who designated YOU the "old professional"? Who gave you the "I know Hondas better so I can call you an amateur" diploma?

I have been dealing with Hondas since 1992, and I have MANY things I have yet to learn about them. I have never called anybody else an amateur, because until the day I work as a Honda tech, I AM an amateur. So, unless you ARE a Honda technician, or engineer, refrain from those comments.

As for the original question, I'll answer the six-speed portion of it.

This company, http://www.wholehyper.com/engine/rsx-mounts.html, sells custom bolt-on mounts (no cutting, or welding) for you to fit a DC5 (Acura RSX/Honda Integra) six-speed K20 motor into a DC2 (Acura/Honda Integra) chassis.

I don't know about you, but my friend's shop, which specializes in Hondas, can procure a JDM K20 for about 5,000 US dollars (sorry, don't know conversion rates), which is only about 500 US dollars more than what he can get a B18C5 for. Considering you are a lot closer to Japan, and the fact that you have a bigger JDM market there than we in the US have, I would think you'd find it cheaper.

The advantages of the K20 are:
-- bigger displacement
-- more TQ
-- more flexibility in tuning (the "i" in i-VTEC; i.e., bigger gains per mod)
-- same over-all weight as a B16
-- six-speed, for closer-spaced gears for optimum usage of the VTEC-band
-- exclusivity

The only major disadvantage a K20 has against a B18 is the fact that the K20 has less aftermarket support at the present, and less time for tuning experience from shops. Hytech Motorsports have already gotten 320WHP from an N/A K20, so it's getting up there.

I know all these things because I am seriously contemplating a project such as this, when I'm done with my SR20DET project into my B13 SE-R. One turbo, one N/A.

Even a moderator is of no help here. I've posted answers and you've posted K20 swaps in a Type R. :rolleyes: So to you a Honda tech is some a pro? :rolleyes: Pathetic I swear. Most of my boys are Honda tech's here in WA and believe me Honda techs know didly but go ahead and bow down the next time you see one. :loser: I brought answers and you come in picking my posts apart. Thanks for not helping anyone here.

Even a moderator is of no help here. I've posted answers and you've posted K20 swaps in a Type R. :rolleyes: So to you a Honda tech is some a pro? :rolleyes: Pathetic I swear. Most of my boys are Honda tech's here in WA and believe me Honda techs know didly but go ahead and bow down the next time you see one. :loser: I brought answers and you come in picking my posts apart. Thanks for not helping anyone here.
I posted a possible avenue he can go for his search for the car that's right for him.

He obviously likes DC2s, and he's looking for a six-speed. Have you seen anybody else address that part of issue? Why am I going to go over what everybody else has addressed already?

Did I specifically mention a swap into a Type R? ANY DC2 chassis can do...if he can find a '94 cheap, and spend the extra for the swap I mentioned, he'll have a FASTER car than an ITR, stock-motor to stock-motor.

So. Are you claiming that you now know more than a Honda technician does? You might know about little tricks that Honda as a company might not recommend (techs go by the book, of course, at least on customer cars), but HIGHLY doubt you know more than them. The fact that you know a few who don't know "what you know" doesn't mean anything. The fact that there's an asshole in here by the name of B16EJ1 doesn't mean that everyone that has "B16" on their screenname is an arrogant prick, right?

You still haven't answered my question. Who gave you the right to call anybody in here "amateur"? Who gave you the right to call anybody a n00b? You joined this year n00b.

My sign-on date might say 2002, but I came here when the original PureHonda merged with AF. I was with the original PureHonda starting from Dec 2000, and I've NEVER called anybody a newbie in derision like you have. Just shows how much of a prick you are.

Keep this up, I'll ban you on principle, so you can sign back up as a brand-new member with 0 posts...and we'll see how much of a n00b everybody else is. Don't even think that administration won't back me up, as much as a lesson as you need in humility.

"When it comes to a normally aspirated 1.6-liter DOHC engine, no engine in the world can surpass the B16A." " The ecstacy at the sound of the engine revving up rapidly to the redzone. I'd die for it."


You'd die for B16? Not to knock on the B16, but as far as 1.6 liter DOHC 4 cylinder motors go, it's got plenty of room for improvement.

Honda B16 (JDM)
170hp @ 6800rpm
114tq @ 5200rpm

Nissan SR16VE-N1 (JDM)
200hp @ 7800rpm
147tq @ 7400rpm

Pretty neat little motor...

You'd die for B16? Not to knock on the B16, but as far as 1.6 liter DOHC 4 cylinder motors go, it's got plenty of room for improvement.

Honda B16 (JDM)
170hp @ 6800rpm
114tq @ 5200rpm

Nissan SR16VE-N1 (JDM)
200hp @ 7800rpm
147tq @ 7400rpm

Pretty neat little motor...


It's a movie quote fool.

It's a movie quote fool.



Looks to me like you're saying it... cause you didn't give a movie credit to the quote...

Fool.

I posted a possible avenue he can go for his search for the car that's right for him.

He obviously likes DC2s, and he's looking for a six-speed. Have you seen anybody else address that part of issue? Why am I going to go over what everybody else has addressed already?

Did I specifically mention a swap into a Type R? ANY DC2 chassis can do...if he can find a '94 cheap, and spend the extra for the swap I mentioned, he'll have a FASTER car than an ITR, stock-motor to stock-motor.

So. Are you claiming that you now know more than a Honda technician does? You might know about little tricks that Honda as a company might not recommend (techs go by the book, of course, at least on customer cars), but HIGHLY doubt you know more than them. The fact that you know a few who don't know "what you know" doesn't mean anything. The fact that there's an asshole in here by the name of B16EJ1 doesn't mean that everyone that has "B16" on their screenname is an arrogant prick, right?

You still haven't answered my question. Who gave you the right to call anybody in here "amateur"? Who gave you the right to call anybody a n00b? You joined this year n00b.

My sign-on date might say 2002, but I came here when the original PureHonda merged with AF. I was with the original PureHonda starting from Dec 2000, and I've NEVER called anybody a newbie in derision like you have. Just shows how much of a prick you are.

Keep this up, I'll ban you on principle, so you can sign back up as a brand-new member with 0 posts...and we'll see how much of a n00b everybody else is. Don't even think that administration won't back me up, as much as a lesson as you need in humility.

I would'nt trust any Honda tech on my car and if you put your faith in a person just because he's a " Honda tech " then I'd say you're the fool. Do you even know how little it takes to become a certified Honda technician? The reason I called him a n00b is not on posts alone. The fact that he can try to help with absolutely no facts on the original arguements is unbelievable. Going off of hear-say??? Oh and you threatening to ban me for using the worn "noob" in such a demeaning manner? I've seen much worse things going on in here than that and I'm getting banned for the word "noob". The real reason you want to ban me is because I constantly call your BS and we always get into an arguement. So I'm punctual. Facts/information still come of my posts and I know many members here will vouch for that. Do what you want. I tell you one thing. The fact that things like this idle threat happen here is enough to make me not want to come back. Do as you wish.

I would'nt trust any Honda tech on my car and if you put your faith in a person just because he's a " Honda tech " then I'd say you're the fool. Do you even know how little it takes to become a certified Honda technician? The reason I called him a n00b is not on posts alone. The fact that he can try to help with absolutely no facts on the original arguements is unbelievable. Going off of hear-say??? Oh and you threatening to ban me for using the worn "noob" in such a demeaning manner? I've seen much worse things going on in here than that and I'm getting banned for the word "noob". The real reason you want to ban me is because I constantly call your BS and we always get into an arguement. So I'm punctual. Facts/information still come of my posts and I know many members here will vouch for that. Do what you want. I tell you one thing. The fact that things like this idle threat happen here is enough to make me not want to come back. Do as you wish.

i don't think he brought up the bannage subject do to word use, but due to attitude... but as far as that quote goes, just by these last few of your posts, you remind me a lot of the driver of that little red civic who said it. (that's not necessarily a good thing)

HyperS please ignore some of the crap you have seen in this thread, the member responsible is being delt with.


Now to answer your questions, as a fellow Kiwi I hope I can offer some some rational ones that make sense.




1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?


A front engine rear wheel drive car has a long drive shaft that runs the lenght of the car, being that it runs at high speeds it needs to be well balanced. The damber helps with the balancing, and also reducing any vibration.
A fwd car has only two short axles that due to thier smaller size and weight suffer less from vibration. However all the B series power honda have equal length drive shafts that are fitted with dampers, which also help balance the weight of each drive shaft to prevent torque steer. On a type R it is not something you need to worry about.


2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these. Either because I currently own a 5000 RPM at 90kmh 1.5L civic right now, which makes be fixated with being able to gain high speed with low revs, or I like the idea that I can travel at around 250kmh while running away from the police. Either way, I REALLY WANT ONE. I've also heard that 5th gear is kind of short on the type R and semi-long highway journeys can be a nightmare. Does anyone know which model the switch was made from 5 speed to 6? 99, 00, 01. There's a big difference in price and if it's too much, how much would I reasonable be looking to pay to get one installed on a 5 speeder?

Its not a feasible swap, certianly not here in NZ. As has already been pointed out there are aftermarket boxs avliable, but your looking at well over $10,000 plus, and a limited life span as they are ment for racing only.
An engine and g/box swap from a later integra is possible, but again your looking at close to $10,000.

But the main reason its not worth is it the final drive is still little differnt from the final drive in the 5sp, it just that in the 6sp all the gears inbetween are closer together, so you would still cruise at about 3,000rpm at 100kph.


3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.

For a type R? anywhere from $10-25,000 depending on year and condition. Clearly a very early high millage car is worth a lot less than a later low millage one.

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs. Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

[b]Agian its a cost vs gain thing. Any kit will have to be imported from the US or Japan, and after $ conversion rates it starts to get very expensive. Also the added performance is a waste of time, unless you really really want to get in amature drag racing every friday night at meremere (or where ever the local strip is). There is more involved than just simply bolting one on as well. A simple install running low boost might set you back $5-6,000 a proper install with suitable reinfoced engine internals will cost $10,000 easily.


5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?

[b]As stated before there is absolutly no need to unless you change cams or similar work. And even then your better off with proper tweaked ECU. Basicly that are a complete waste of time and money.

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?

[b]Well you could fit a complete interior from a VTi-R, but then you would be better of simply buying a VTi-R to begin with, as adding weight completely defies the purpose of having a Type R.
Its intentended as a weekend race car than you can also drive to work during the week.


And yes when compared to your old 1.5l civic any Integra is a better car, being a 1.5l your old Civic is clearly an import, and a very low spec one at that, having a driven a few I can tell you that are not postive mark in the cars history.

However it sounds like a Tpye R is not really what you need, it is an enthusists car, you unless you have a sudden revelation you may find yourself disapointed.
A far better choice if you really like the Integra is a GSR/VTiR/G similar performance to the Type R from your perspective, but with all the creature comforts. Thier also cheaper, and come a much wider variety of models and trim levels.

I really hope you aren't banning B16EJ1 over THIS... in my honest opinion that is rediculous.

I would'nt trust any Honda tech on my car and if you put your faith in a person just because he's a " Honda tech " then I'd say you're the fool. Do you even know how little it takes to become a certified Honda technician? The reason I called him a n00b is not on posts alone. The fact that he can try to help with absolutely no facts on the original arguements is unbelievable. Going off of hear-say??? Oh and you threatening to ban me for using the worn "noob" in such a demeaning manner? I've seen much worse things going on in here than that and I'm getting banned for the word "noob". The real reason you want to ban me is because I constantly call your BS and we always get into an arguement. So I'm punctual. Facts/information still come of my posts and I know many members here will vouch for that. Do what you want. I tell you one thing. The fact that things like this idle threat happen here is enough to make me not want to come back. Do as you wish.

Call my BS? You mean this?: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110389&page=1&pp=15&highlight=b16ej1

Because I defended another member that you were more than happy to be a prick to, because you didn't believe him in a situation that was within the realm of possibility?

Because I tried to point that out to you? And you're so hardheaded, and so stuck on yourself that you wouldn't even consider the possibilities?

If I ban you, it's not for saying n00b, its for not realizing that this is a community, and no matter how right you feel you are, that is NO excuse to be a prick. Lord only knows how many potentially-productive "n00bs" you have chased away by your arrogance.

I'll ban you to teach you a lesson in humility. So you realize, no matter what you know about anything, you have no right to talk-down to people in your very first reply to them.

Basically, I'm calling you an arrogant, pompous prick...

BTW, I don't care how many members will vouch for your knowledge of Hondas, I know of many members that'll vouch for my assessment of you.

So? Will you leave it at that, or will your enormous ego bring you into this deeper? Will you refute my assessment of your attutude, or will I have to start linking threads where you prove my point, time-and-again? I mean, I don't even really have to bother, since you say you're not coming back...but if you want me to...

That's just your assesment of me. Like I said. Do what you want. You and I know the real reason why you're doing this. I could really care less. Tell you what. Post a bunch of esp's posts knocking noobs and ricochet's also. I call people noobs on their actual dumb posts not their post count but I don't have to explain myself to you. Let the people read this post and research what I'm saying. Ban me if you want but just leave this post so people can see how much BS this is and how what I'm saying is true.

That's just your assesment of me. Like I said. Do what you want. You and I know the real reason why you're doing this. I could really care less. Tell you what. Post a bunch of esp's posts knocking noobs and ricochet's also. I call people noobs on their actual dumb posts not their post count but I don't have to explain myself to you. Let the people read this post and research what I'm saying. Ban me if you want but just leave this post so people can see how much BS this is and how what I'm saying is true.

esp's been here since 2001, though that is no excuse for bad behavior, there is a reason why he's lasted this long.

Ricochet, I've dealt with before: as seen here: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=121427&page=2&pp=15&highlight=Ricochet

He took what I said a lot better the you would've. Here's another one: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=143941

He's certainly had his moments...but his ego isn't as big as yours where he can't see where he messed-up, it seems.

And what kind of third-grade crap is that? {whine}"Well, they were doing it too, teacher!"{/whine}

I'm pretty positive, as huge as AF is, there are a lot of worse offenders than you. It just so happens you have the unfortunate luck of hanging out in in some similar forums that I visit. Heck, I've seen that same attitude in other mods...and I've called them out too. Ask moppie.

There should be a statute of limitations with online posts :)

esp's been here since 2001, though that is no excuse for bad behavior, there is a reason why he's lasted this long.



bad behavior huh? :eek7:

what is the reason i have lasted this long?

DONT BAN B16EJ1, I have gotten tons of information of the 92+ civic forum from him. Ive seen these other moderators names maybe like once before? Yet B16EJ1 fills us not as smart honda enthusiasts with information daily on all sorts of things. If you ban him I think we will be at a great loss. Knowing that no moderators even say anything in our forum anyway. Instead of trying to decide if he should be banned or not, you should be trying to decide if he should be a moderator or not! I think many other ppl feel the same way...

"Winning against a Saturn is like beating up a kid with downs syndrome."
If you're going to quote somebody at least use their (my) name :)

what is the reason i have lasted this long?

I was making a point that you wouldn't have lasted this long if you were as close to the ass that B16EJ1 is trying to call you out as, since I pointed HIM out, and he's saying..."Look at them! They act like me! Why am I the one being called out?"

He's basically saying you and Ricochet is as much of an ass to newbies as he is, which I disagree with.

thanks b16ej1.
You should probably just leave this thread alone, your hole's getting deeper..

DONT BAN B16EJ1, I have gotten tons of information of the 92+ civic forum from him. Ive seen these other moderators names maybe like once before? Yet B16EJ1 fills us not as smart honda enthusiasts with information daily on all sorts of things. If you ban him I think we will be at a great loss. Knowing that no moderators even say anything in our forum anyway. Instead of trying to decide if he should be banned or not, you should be trying to decide if he should be a moderator or not! I think many other ppl feel the same way...
Fuckin' A. B16EJ1 may have a bad attitude, but then again so do a lot of people. Mostly what I see in these forums is a COMPLETE lack of "leadership" and organization, as I have seen "mods" run amock, insulting people, jacking threads, and going soooo far off topic, and completely ignore the fact that there are specialized forums. I mean shit, before everyone starts jumping up and down on a useful members ass, why don't the moderators spend sometime trying to square away the forum and get some of the tech questions out of JDM, and put them in the tech forum, and the general civic questions out of tech and put them in the 92+ forum, and so forth. It wouldn't take more than a couple hours to go through and completely get everything where it goes. Maybe try policing some of the absolutely useless threads that you KNOW are going to cause nothing but a flame war.

And carnut, get over it, I mean you have already stooped to arguing with a member in public, which really doesn't look good for a moderator, all this should have been handled in a PM. And it wouldn't have been so bad, except all the "your a pompous ass", and "your ego is too big" comments, and then comments about your own knowledge, and experiance, and the fact that you can have him banned, IMO your ego is also running abit amock.

Anyway, I hope the original poster can take something useful away from this thread, instead of the impression of a bunch of bickering bitches.

hmm... there is a lot of truth in that previous post right there...

:werd:
This is exactly right. But I do think that sometimes the attitude is not needed...just say it in a more constructive ways.

I was making a point that you wouldn't have lasted this long if you were as close to the ass that B16EJ1 is trying to call you out as, since I pointed HIM out, and he's saying..."Look at them! They act like me! Why am I the one being called out?"

He's basically saying you and Ricochet is as much of an ass to newbies as he is, which I disagree with.

alright thanks for the clarification, i was just thinking wtf??????

Fuckin' A. B16EJ1 may have a bad attitude, but then again so do a lot of people.So that's his excuse then? They can do it, why can't I? I call it when I see it. Ask Ricochet. I've done it with him too. He just doesn't take it the same as B16EJ1. Meaning, he'll just digest it and move on, regardless of whether he agrees or not.

B16EJ1 has a superiority complex in here. Because he has "helped" a lot of you with technical questions and such, he feels he's the pro-master of the Honda forums, and can call-out other members willy-nilly. FYI, if any of you know dblovrhdcamron or hybridsol, those two have been here for years, and especially hybridsol, know more engine-tech and tricks than most of us will ever learn in a lifetime. I have NEVER seen either of them talk-down on a member like B16EJ1 has...even in an argument.Mostly what I see in these forums is a COMPLETE lack of "leadership" and organization, as I have seen "mods" run amock, insulting people, jacking threads, and going soooo far off topic, and completely ignore the fact that there are specialized forums.If you see any of this sort of activity going on, even from me, feel free to PM/E-Mail admin, if you're so concerned.

As for leadership, there's a reason why we have an age-limit here. Everybody is at least somewhat expected to act civil. If you feel there is something that is out of place, you have "report post" option, besides E-Mail and PM. Mods aren't paid for what they do, and can't be expected to be there all the time to catch things. Like I said, if you're so concerned...I mean shit, before everyone starts jumping up and down on a useful members ass, why don't the moderators spend sometime trying to square away the forum and get some of the tech questions out of JDM, and put them in the tech forum, and the general civic questions out of tech and put them in the 92+ forum, and so forth. It wouldn't take more than a couple hours to go through and completely get everything where it goes. Maybe try policing some of the absolutely useless threads that you KNOW are going to cause nothing but a flame war.Go back to my last statements above.

As for "useful members", which I'm assuming you are referring to B16EJ1, I never said he wasn't. But how much "usefulness" can you get out of a member who bitches out newcomers before they even get to know the board? Like it or not, when you reply in this board to someone that doesn't know it, you represent the board, and whatever impression that person gets out of you, is the impression a person takes away about the board. Unfair, but true.

I asked him to tone it down, and he gets defensive and offensive at the same time. Is it because I was wrong? Or is it because he wanted to justify his atittude?And carnut, get over it, I mean you have already stooped to arguing with a member in public, which really doesn't look good for a moderator, all this should have been handled in a PM. And it wouldn't have been so bad, except all the "your a pompous ass", and "your ego is too big" comments, and then comments about your own knowledge, and experiance, and the fact that you can have him banned, IMO your ego is also running abit amock.I never said he can't be here. He'll just have to re-sign as one of the n00bs that he's so derisive about. He's easy to jump down somebody's throat if he feels that they're either disagreeing with him or was wrong in the first place. Instead of educating with his "superior knowledge" he uses that as an excuse to be an asshole.

I don't know how many of you he's PM'd or what-not and whined to about this thread, and at this point I don't really care. He might actually be a cool person, but as a forum contributor, he's far from that, from what I've been presented with...and that's the bottomline. No matter how much he knows about Hondas. The smartest kid in school will still get kicked-out if he keeps spitting at the kids he doesn't like, or cops an attitude to school staff...no matter how helpful/friendly he is to the ones he does like.Anyway, I hope the original poster can take something useful away from this thread, instead of the impression of a bunch of bickering bitches.I hope so too.

If I was a mod here I would take a vested interest in the site I represent and do my best to help it stay on track so people stay interested in it and it could grow. I mod on two other forums, and take pride in the advice I give, even if sometimes it is wrong, no one's perfect, and we all learn something new everyday. If I spent time reporting post, and PM'ing mods about misplaced threads, I would be 1. doing their job, and 2. spending more time than I like to on the intraw3bbi3s. I understand that you don't get paid, I don't either, at least not on a internet forum, but someone seeking advice on building a civic motor, and they post it in the appearance forum doesn't help them, and people who have no clue tend to just spew out some bullshit, that is false, or just useless. I'm not excusing B16EJ1 for being an ass, I am trying to point out that he isn't alone, and that the mods are also guilty. As a matter of fact, on this forum I rarely see mods get into talks unless they are "attacked" and then they feel it is their obligation to whore the hell out of the thread defending their actoins. I am not new here either, I used to be registered under another name, that I have long forgotten, hence this one, and these are not new issues.

I never said he can't be here. He'll just have to re-sign as one of the n00bs that he's so derisive about.

From an outside perspective this quote makes it seem like you are trying to play god and teach him a lesson. If you are going to ban someone it should serve more of a purpose than teaching someone a lesson. If you are a mod and you don't like what someone is saying I do agree that you should do something about it. Things like that would actually be good around here as a lot of people say things that need not be said every day. I do however think the best way to have handled this could have been to PM B16 so it is a private matter instead of calling him out in public. If that happened to me I would get defensive/offensive as well. Don't you think you would? Would you rather have someone put you on the spot and call you an ass in public or pull you aside and say hey man whats this all about?

Thats just my :2cents: here...

If you are a mod and you don't like what someone is saying I do agree that you should do something about it. Things like that would actually be good around here as a lot of people say things that need not be said every day.

I agree but what exactly would be feasible if the PM does not work. I think that when any authority is given to a person than there is gonna be conflict when they try to lay the smack down either way, be it PM or in public- although PM would have been better. Lets be real almost everyone on here w/ a large number of posts and/or knowledge has an ego- so when two finally butt heads you get this mess. I agree w/ you though. Just my :2cents:

From an outside perspective this quote makes it seem like you are trying to play god and teach him a lesson. If you are going to ban someone it should serve more of a purpose than teaching someone a lesson. If you are a mod and you don't like what someone is saying I do agree that you should do something about it. Things like that would actually be good around here as a lot of people say things that need not be said every day. I do however think the best way to have handled this could have been to PM B16 so it is a private matter instead of calling him out in public. If that happened to me I would get defensive/offensive as well. Don't you think you would? Would you rather have someone put you on the spot and call you an ass in public or pull you aside and say hey man whats this all about?

Thats just my :2cents: here...

And what about the people he ridicules in public? Should I tell him to ridicule them in PMs then?

He ridicules them in public so he can feel like "the big man on campus"...this is why he needed to be told-off in public. Whatever you think of me, I'm already a mod, and have no need to display power to know I have it. That's MY 2 cents.

I'm already a mod, and have no need to display power to know I have it. That's MY 2 cents.

That sounds a bit pompous to me, IMO. What I'm reading from that is "I'm a mod, and I'll do as I please, if you don't like it then take a hike and leave..." That's NOT the kind of mod I like having around on here. I'm a pretty sensable mod myself. Sure I've gone at it with a few members here and there in forums, but I don't do it to show that I'm a mod and I can do as I please. Heck, I've even gone at it with B16EJ1 before and set him straight to where there wasn't much he could say back. Did that make me want to ban him? No. It's all on how you deal with the matter at hand. I don't agree with talking down on a n00b, we're here to point poeple in the right directions and help them out with their questions. If you don't like seeing simple or what may seem like dumb questions, then no one is holding a gun to your head to answer them, stick around on the forums, or even read the question in the first place. At this point in time carrrnuttt, you sound like a little kid in a sandbox defending an opinion about someone else that really no one in here agrees with. Maybe you have a personal beef with him, who knows. At this point who really cares. But if he's to be banned, it needs to be on the concensus, and NOT on your own personal interest.

And above all, this thread is rediculously beyond OT for what it began for, and I think should be closed up ASAP for the better interest of AF as a whole. :2cents:

That sounds a bit pompous to me, IMO. What I'm reading from that is "I'm a mod, and I'll do as I please, if you don't like it then take a hike and leave..." That's NOT the kind of mod I like having around on here. I'm a pretty sensable mod myself. Sure I've gone at it with a few members here and there in forums, but I don't do it to show that I'm a mod and I can do as I please. Heck, I've even gone at it with B16EJ1 before and set him straight to where there wasn't much he could say back. Did that make me want to ban him? No. It's all on how you deal with the matter at hand. I don't agree with talking down on a n00b, we're here to point poeple in the right directions and help them out with their questions. If you don't like seeing simple or what may seem like dumb questions, then no one is holding a gun to your head to answer them, stick around on the forums, or even read the question in the first place. At this point in time carrrnuttt, you sound like a little kid in a sandbox defending an opinion about someone else that really no one in here agrees with. Maybe you have a personal beef with him, who knows. At this point who really cares. But if he's to be banned, it needs to be on the concensus, and NOT on your own personal interest.

And above all, this thread is rediculously beyond OT for what it began for, and I think should be closed up ASAP for the better interest of AF as a whole. :2cents:You're missing my point, and completely misunderstood what I meant. I first said that I felt that he needed to display dominance in public to satisfy some need for self aggrandizement, which then, IMO, needed a public response.

This was in response to what was said about the fact that I should've done things in PM. Besides, none of you, except for the parties involved, know who I have, or haven't talked to in PM about anything.

My remark which you quoted, refers back to public issue. It was to explain that I have no such need to broadcast dominance in public, "pound my chest" as they say, to remind everybody that I am a mod...which I don't care if people knew or not anyhow. I would've reacted the EXACT same way to his arrogance, mod or not. All you have to do is do a quick search of ALL my posts to see that I have always followed this pattern.

I see that you are following the same pattern as me, especially in saying what you said, wrong as it is, in the open...because you felt you had to...as opposed to PMing me, or calling me out in the mod forum.

I have defended Fords against Hondas, I have defended Hondas against Fords, I have defended the Skyline against Muscleheads, I have defended Muscle against "Import Power" fanatics...so on so forth.

It's a community where we are all supposed to start out equal. We all started somewhere. It irks the living hell out of me when somebody, who obviously is starting out himself, asks a simple question, stupid it may be, and some know-it-all jumps out of nowhere and calls him or his question "stupid" in a derogatory manner.

The question wouldn't be stupid...heck, there wouldn't be a question at all, if he knew what he needed to know in the first place.

It all started out with me asking B16EJ1 as to who gave HIM the right to call ANYBODY an "amateur n00b", when I know mechanical engineers who wouldn't even give a remark like that. I asked, that, and that's it. I then proceeded to partially answer the part of the newbies questions which I felt hadn't even been covered yet.

B16EJ1 in return, not only managed to ridicule what answer I gave back to the member as being of "no help", he failed to see where my point was.

Here's my response to his ridicule of the member:AND who designated YOU the "old professional"? Who gave you the "I know Hondas better so I can call you an amateur" diploma?

I have been dealing with Hondas since 1992, and I have MANY things I have yet to learn about them. I have never called anybody else an amateur, because until the day I work as a Honda tech, I AM an amateur. So, unless you ARE a Honda technician, or engineer, refrain from those comments.

As for the original question, I'll answer the six-speed portion of it....
Notice, I simply asked him to REFRAIN. No flame, I even denigrated myself as an amateur too.

His response:Even a moderator is of no help here. I've posted answers and you've posted K20 swaps in a Type R. :rolleyes: So to you a Honda tech is some a pro? :rolleyes: Pathetic I swear. Most of my boys are Honda tech's here in WA and believe me Honda techs know didly but go ahead and bow down the next time you see one. :loser: I brought answers and you come in picking my posts apart. Thanks for not helping anyone here.How do you NOT construe that as being arrogant? I can just imagine his backlash if I weren't a mod. {B16EJ1}"Oh, you're no help, but I am!"{/B16EJ1} Jeesus. {B16EJ1}"I brought in answers and you didn't!"{/B16EJ1} :rolleyes:

So please, next time you want to question my practices, please do so in the mod forum, where it's supposed to be, or in PM...or otherwise go over the whole thing first.

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