can I beat a Z28

Hey guys here's a quick question....
DO you think that it would be possible for my turbo GSR to take out a camaro z28 SS?
I have a T3 turbo installed with the full 8psi of boost and I know that this guy has never raced before. I just was thinkin that even though he's got the lt1 engine, it's all stock and he has never raced before but seems to be intent on showing me that he can smoke me. So guys I have the racing expirience but the question is do you think that my car can handle a big boy like that?

Simple question... are you confident that your car can run better than high 13s/low 14s?

If if you can run in that time frame... you've got a slight chance.


Just don't fuck up your launch, cause If he pulls you from a dig you're going to be playing catch up all the way. I'd suggest running him from a rolling start where he doesn't have the biggest advantage.


Good Luck.

If you can beat a turbo CRX, like I did, then you have a chance of beating him as well. Like redneck said, what are your times?

nope, sorry man :grinno: It'd be a little more fair if you took away half of his cylinders to even it out though :evillol:

You might have a chance. If from a dig, try not to screw up your launch. I think itll be better from a roll. :dunno:

*Off topic* what year is the SS youre racing?

You might have a chance. If from a dig, try not to screw up your launch. I think itll be better from a roll. :dunno:

*Off topic* what year is the SS youre racing?

Well, he says it's a Z28/SS which means 4th gen, and he said LT1... so that means either a '96 or '97 with the 305hp LT1's.

What kind of trans. does the Camaro have?? And is it all stock??


Well whatever the case.. go run him and tell us the results!

ide say you would take him, hes never raced before and if yours is properly tuned then you should take him anyway, i say you win if you dont fuk up

Well, he says it's a Z28/SS which means 4th gen, and he said LT1... so that means either a '96 or '97 with the 305hp LT1's.
I know that... But i was looking more into exact year. It doesnt make a difference but its good to know :dunno:

I know that... But i was looking more into exact year. It doesnt make a difference but its good to know :dunno:


:lol: I know... but I was using my ultra cool detective skills to narrow it down a bit...



Thanks for crushing my dreams you Mustang owner.. :frown:


:p

hrmmm...

WELL...u COULD beat him, or u COULD lose to him...

so yea...thats my answer... :biggrin:

j/k, jus got out an run him buddy...(keep it safe tho)

I'm guessing it will be a close race considering the Z28 being stock, but like RedNeck said, it will come down to the best launch and since he has never raced before you have a slight edge. :evillol:

If he's not used to racing, it may cost him up to half a second getting his car up and moving which may give you the advantage to take him out.

I think you can win! be sure to tell us the out come of it!

if you dont win i'll smoke his ass for ya :naughty: :smokin:

I think you can win! be sure to tell us the out come of it!

if you dont win i'll smoke his ass for ya :naughty: :smokin:


I think you'll need a bit more than a breathed on B16 swap to take out a SS/Z28 LT1...

But you're more than welcome to try... you never know what may happen. :p

Im not sure about that Z28 ... depends on your HP to LB ration and how good of a driver you both are i guess... i havent had any 4cyl trying to race my camaro so i cant say yes or no... had a mildly mod v-tec integra that i ripped the paint off of but thats really it for running against 4's .... like i said not many even ask to run

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Hey guys. Redneck 383. The Lt1's were in the Camaros from 93-97 and they were rated at 275hp and then 285 horse in 96-97. Just clearing some things up. I also dont know how fast this little turbo import is but when I used to have my 94 Lt1 I would stomp my buddies 2001 Prelude SH. He didn't have a turbo but he had like 5,000 worth of other mods. Good luck man. Those 4th gens are hard to beat!! :worshippy LT1 Ls1

Hmm, yea you'd need to run mid 13s to beat him, especially if its an automatic. I think the race would be close.

BTW those #s are from the factory. Most LT1s dyno at 300+ lb/feet to the wheel.

I think you'll need a bit more than a breathed on B16 swap to take out a SS/Z28 LT1...

But you're more than welcome to try... you never know what may happen. :p


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Did you race him yet?

Interesting MistaZ. Good choice on exhaust :naughty:

Hey guys. Redneck 383. The Lt1's were in the Camaros from 93-97 and they were rated at 275hp and then 285 horse in 96-97. Just clearing some things up.


Well, I appreciate your info but if you read his first post you'll see he stated that it's a 4th Generation Camaro Z28/SS. Which narrows it down to either a '96 or '97 which had 305hp, the rare '97 LT4 Camaros had 330hp.

why only 8 PSI of boost????? as long as you don't have knock crank er up :smokin: . For any turbo car I would suggest an alky kit. i get 24 PSI 93 octane pump gas. I'm assuming that you can watch your air fuel raito and spark knock.

Redneck I am sorry to inform you that you are still wrong. Blkss will you help me out with this. The 4th gen started in 1993(new body style as opposed to the Iroc style 3rd gen) and ran until 1998 when the Ls1 was put into the camaro. 93-95 were rated at 275 hp and 96-97 were rated at 285 hp. I know this for a fact. I owned a 94 Lt1 and now own a 99 ls1. Go to camaroz28.com or ls1.com if you would like some more info on this subject. :nono:

Redneck I am sorry to inform you that you are still wrong. Blkss will you help me out with this. The 4th gen started in 1993(new body style as opposed to the Iroc style 3rd gen) and ran until 1998 when the Ls1 was put into the camaro. 93-95 were rated at 275 hp and 96-97 were rated at 285 hp. I know this for a fact. I owned a 94 Lt1 and now own a 99 ls1. Go to camaroz28.com or ls1.com if you would like some more info on this subject. :nono:

The SLP-modified SS HAD 305HP. That was what RedNeck was referring to.

YOU read here: http://www.tcnet.net/~dstorer/jf/1997.html

Redneck I am sorry to inform you that you are still wrong. Blkss will you help me out with this. The 4th gen started in 1993(new body style as opposed to the Iroc style 3rd gen) and ran until 1998 when the Ls1 was put into the camaro. 93-95 were rated at 275 hp and 96-97 were rated at 285 hp. I know this for a fact. I owned a 94 Lt1 and now own a 99 ls1. Go to camaroz28.com or ls1.com if you would like some more info on this subject. :nono:


UGH, you're not informing me of anything. You're the one who is miss informed.

We all know that in '93 the 4th Generation of the Camaro was born. And that the LT1 was used in the Camaro from '93 till '97. This is true. But in '96, Chevy reintroduced the SS as an Option on the Z28. Chevrolet teamed up with SLP and took the Z28 and tweaked the motor and got it to make 305hp.

I'll say it again.

Chevrolet/SLP 'SS' LT1 made three hundred and five horsepower!

Here, look it up!
Muscle Car Club: 4th Gen Camaro (http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/chevrolet-camaro-history-4.shtml)


Care to go for another round?

I gotta go with Redneck and his website on this one. That website quotes all of the correct numbers except for the additional hp packages that SLP added to the LS1's in the SS's. First off, the base SS hp from 98 on was 325 hp. In 2000, SLP added another possibility for exhaust, which gave it 335 hp. Same was true for 2001, mine was a 335 hp optioned SS. In 2002, SLP added a second option for an exhaust, both were good for 10 hp, and also added a freer flowing airlid, which they said was good for 10 more hp. If both of these were ordered on the same car, the car was rated at 345 hp.

Oh sorry guys I thought that this thread was called "Can I beat a Z28?'' Also the car is either a z28 or ss not a z28 ss. I was giving the numbers for the z28. Sorry about that. :banghead:

Did you know that SS's are converted Z28's? So, technically, they're both Z28's, but the SS is skinned with goodies...

find a nice tight road and he doesnt stand a chance

race him from a 20 punch or where ever ur power band is.

race him from a 20 punch or where ever ur power band is.

Yeah, do that. I'd love to see you try and get a jump on an LS1 from a 20 mph go. An LS1 from 2nd on up pulls hard. I've raced several other Camaros, 93-97 with the LT1, and they can't believe how hard I pull from about 50 on up...

Since it's an LT1 Z28/SS, he'll have to fight his low end torque at that mph. If he's got good tires, he's gonna hook hard...

find a nice tight road and he doesnt stand a chance.

Not if he's done anything to his suspension or is a competant driver. F-bodies perform very well in SCCA events.

well ive seen it done i hung with one from 20 in my first gear and all i got is a b2ob

Hung with an LS1 until, or til when...?

I gotta go with Redneck and his website on this one. That website quotes all of the correct numbers except for the additional hp packages that SLP added to the LS1's in the SS's. First off, the base SS hp from 98 on was 325 hp. In 2000, SLP added another possibility for exhaust, which gave it 335 hp. Same was true for 2001, mine was a 335 hp optioned SS. In 2002, SLP added a second option for an exhaust, both were good for 10 hp, and also added a freer flowing airlid, which they said was good for 10 more hp. If both of these were ordered on the same car, the car was rated at 345 hp.

Adtually the Website is sort-of correct. In 98 the SS were rated 320 hp and there were some extra packages such as the SLP D/D exhaust which bumped the hp to 327. Then in 01 the power was upped to 325 because of the LS6 intake.

Also in 96, and some of the 97, wasnt the SS labeled as Z28/SS. I remember seeing it written ontop of the air lid/filter :dunno:

Never seen that on an airlid before, I just know that the sides and rear of the car say "SS". If I owned one of the 96-97's, which would be nice, I could tell ya...

I'd really like a 96 SS because very few were made... :naughty:

mine is tweaked too... I'm hoping for 305hp with the spray... :lol:

bone stock, since he's a virgin racer, you might be able to make a race of it, but once he gets practiced up, or any mods at all...sorry to say, but he'll destroy you...

I think you'll need a bit more than a breathed on B16 swap to take out a SS/Z28 LT1...

But you're more than welcome to try... you never know what may happen. :p


I raced a c5 vette with mods and only lost by 3 cars roughly plus I launced at 2500rpm because I was used to my stock crx si lol but I think my mr2 could own the z28 :) :smokin:

find a nice tight road and he doesnt stand a chance

Yeah right! I hope you're kidding, for your sake.

Here's what you do. Let him take off down the straight and when you catch up ask him where the race is goin down cause anyone in an SS has a chance to smoke a GSR in a straight line. In the twists is were it matters. Either way I have faith in you. Can't wait to hear that SS went down

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Yeah the twisties is where it matters... especially when you lose control and steer straight into a wall and kill yourself.


Hate to break it to you but a good ole fashion drag race is where it matters. You can bring up how many Gs your car does, or how well it can slalom but truthfully its all bullshit because when egos are on the line, the car thats faster IS what matters, not how well you can carve a corner.

i have a 96Z28, 96 and 97 camaro z28,some like mine came with like 300-320 hp,also mine was like last few that rolled off line so i actually had guts of a 97 Z28(yey free upgrades). GM underated the hp for insurance reasons they were not 275 that was a # gm came up with to help consumers temporarily get better insurance rates. and like someone already stated thats not a spongy 300-320hp,its rock solid.and at 20 mph rolling and starting race from there forget you even tried to race that z28.my z28 literally launches me back into seat(holds me there) and has a solid suspension and hadle extremely well even on tight turns.now put a basic generic resister external mod(not a soldered in mod chip) for 20$ that adds another 10 hp ,and basic induction mod another 20 hp, + a flow master exaust another 10 hp,your looking at 350hp and thats mild mods and most may be there without even being noticed.and some camaros 96 and 97 also did not come with the lt1 they came with even a newer and better updated version like mine.cant remember off hand what dealer told me but mine has the 1 that some 97s have which is much stronger.ive raced alots and even cars with bigger engines dint have a chance.because the 4th gen 5.7 liter motors were perfected and very efficient,trans and differentials are solid as well.with an actual true mod chip and all limits tweaked and bypassed that camaro itself stock,no other mods just true mod chip will push 320-340hp and with others ive stated better than 350+ easily,and the aero dynamics as well really nice.and just so all know,maybe if ya can hold with him to 130 you may have a chance,only cause the front end seems to lift up slightly and car wants to fly,z28s stock can acheive 150mph,in good conditions,lol i know!!!!! the z28 was able to be tweaked to compete with same year vettes.i have raced a few similar year vettes and they are very close,mine with basic mods is hanging at 350-360hp when i got it that bad boy was scoring at 320 with only a cheap high flow air filter for 10$ extra.go with redneck on his numbers,anyone wanna race z28 and win your car better be packing 375-400hp to be positive youll win.(pray to god the dint add any real motor mod,like turbo,supercharge,nitro,increase compression,change stroke.im a talker so 1 last thing i went to a car show and seen someone with a 97 camaroZ28,i talked to this guy and he sunk 5000$ into engine mods,he pushes like 600hp without kiking in the nitro(so many mods looked like alien technology).i felt like dropping to my knees and saying YOUR MY GOD,AND IM NOT WORTHY!!!!

ya...you're approximately 2 years behind time...idiot

now put a basic generic resister external mod(not a soldered in mod chip) for 20$ that adds another 10 hp ,and basic induction mod another 20 hp, + a flow master exaust another 10 hp,your looking at 350hp and thats mild mods and most may be there without even being noticed.

BS!!!!!! No way you're getting those numbers with those ebay mods. If anything the flow will hurt you more than the stock catback.

the z28 was able to be tweaked to compete with same year vettes.i have raced a few similar year vettes and they are very close,mine with basic mods is hanging at 350-360hp when i got it that bad boy was scoring at 320 with only a cheap high flow air filter for 10$ extra.

BS!!!!!!! A 97 vette would hand you your ass without the use of mods......period. You didn't have 320hp with a freakin air filter.....do you think we are complete idiots?!?!

In closing.....please check the dates on topics when using the search feature. Also, I'd like to know where you're doing your dyno work at, because I want to make an appointment to see if I can hit the 1000hp mark....... :disappoin

And with Slowprocess' pwning remarks, we shall end this trajesty...