Why is there a separate Eclipse forum for 2000+?

I know that the car changed its styling, but most other forums aren’t broken apart this way (the Mustang and Corvette forums would be in several pieces). I know it was done for the Honda area, but there are a massive number of people in those forums. It doesn’t appear to be nearly as many here.

Just curious. Not complaining.

my assumtion is because its a compleatly different car with the eclipse name.

That may be the case, but that is also true for other cars throughout the forums. The Malibu, Corvette, Mustang and a hundred others have also gone through redesigns too.

I could understand it being here if there were an outcry to have it, but its been here for about a week and there are a whopping two threads (including this one). Oh well. Hopefully some more folks will be stopping in.

:smile:

The pre00 Eclipse and 00+ Eclipse have nothing in common. the other cars had something in common. Plus I dont want to be associated with 00+ Eclipses

Which is my point exactly about the other cars I've mentioned. They have nothing in common either other then the name.

there really isn't a point to this forum, because i could have sworn someone started a thread about the 3g eclipse in the other forum after this one came up. It's just not going to be used.

i still want my DSM forum..
but at least itz a start...
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actually the 4G64 does have interchangeable parts with the 4G63. the 63 DOHC head and turbo manifold can bolt right up.

I could care less is there is a seperate forum. That's why there is Club 3G and the Eclipseforums.org/.com

doesn't the 3g eclipse have some sort of relation to the 3000gt?!? i don't get why the forum is split either. :screwy:

My only guess is that because the pre 2000 eclipses are DSMs and the new ones aren't. Or it could be because the new ones don't even compare to the old ones.

It could also be that the 3g's engine has been flipped in the RS models i.e. The trani is on the right side versus the left. there is no GS-T or AWd models available either. Comparitively the Eclipse has changed more so than say a Corvette, Mustang, Etc.

I have nothing against the 3g, I understand Mitsu wants to keep selling the cars, and a turbo car is not good for all drivers. There is the concerns on letting it cool and warm up right. As far as different boards, I would say it's the loss of the 4G63. It is not an upgrade of the old on the 3G. A perfect example of that would be the Evo VIII. It has the latest in 4G63 tech. It's no offense to 3g owners, it's more a bitterness against Mitsu for not updating the 2g styling a bit and putting in the Evo VIII motor in it.

The reason they are split is because just because both are called Eclipses, they are not the same car. Earlier than 2000 they were all made with Diamond Star Motors and came with FWD/AWD turboed models. Now all Mitsu makes is economy friendly cars for chicks and guys who should be killed. To be frank with you, we would be embarassed to share the same sub forum with the 3g people, so thats my :2cents:

I have nothing against the 3g, I understand Mitsu wants to keep selling the cars, and a turbo car is not good for all drivers. There is the concerns on letting it cool and warm up right. As far as different boards, I would say it's the loss of the 4G63. It is not an upgrade of the old on the 3G. A perfect example of that would be the Evo VIII. It has the latest in 4G63 tech. It's no offense to 3g owners, it's more a bitterness against Mitsu for not updating the 2g styling a bit and putting in the Evo VIII motor in it.

I think the 4G64 is a progression of the 4G63. The 64 takes boost very well for those interested in the performance aspect of the car and it makes for a moderate driving car for those who are not into tuning.

At first, FI was an impossibility for the 3G. Everyone said the engine cannot handle the power. Well, they are mistaken. The 3G with the 4G64 has been supercharged with a RippMods kit running 11 psi and it looking to dyno upwards of 280 whp on stock internals. Turbo wise, the 64 has ben turbo'ed by Accelerated Autosports and has dyno'ed at 264whp/284tq at 8.5 psi on stock pistons. And the tranny (minus clutch) will handle up to 400 whp, as a member of Club 3G dyno'ed at 316 whp at 14 psi and then turned it up to 20 psi. It ran fine until he was ran up on a corner where he ripped a hole in his tranny :nono: .

Also, there is still the interchangeability of parts. Both the 2G 4G63T manifold and the EVO manifold will bolt up to the 4G64. However, the 2G manifold sits off to the left and the EVO manifold sits off to the right. So that does limit the turbo possibilitites as with the 2G manifold, a turbo no bigger than a 16G will fit and the driver will retain the AC. For the EVO, too big of a turbo will require movement of the starter. Also, the DOHC head of the 63 will bolt up to the 64. And valve springs are also interchangeable. The 63 valve springs will match up to the 64.

HA HA HA holy shit does the 4G64 dish out 210 hp NO jesus crist u should be killed first and a stock 4G63 can take 18 PSI easy please man. wow 264 after spending how much get a brain i spend $150..(boost controler) 300 hp 4G64 still in a mirage lol

Well, the '64 is not turbo'ed to begin with. Strip the turbo off the 2G and let's see what it dyno's. Dumb fuck.
And the 64 is still being tested to see how much boost it can take stock. So far it is 15. Not far from you 18 in the 63.

And do you know how to form sentences. Christ, half of your post is trying to break ricer code.

The new ones are much better. A stock GTS can smoke a stock GS-T any day. Just because it doesn't come with a turbo or AWD, doesn't mean anything. The 2G stock turbo isn't that great. Anyways, with smiliar turbo upgrades for both a GTS and and a 2g GS-T, we all know the GTS will smoke the GS-T all day long.
Don't hate it if you understand it.
And mitsu_eclipse95GST, you ignorant fool, why don't you stop smoking crack?

lol my friends GS smoked a GTS. You are so full of shit. And u say after u turbo the GTS if will beat ok i will go with that You do have a bigger motor.

How much money did you spend turboing the GTS let me spend half that much ill kill you. Im not hating on the new eclipse. But a 1G or 2G would kill it.

There is no way a 2G GS can smoke a 3G GTS if both are stock.
One has 140 hp the other the other has 210 hp (both rated by manufacturer at the fly wheel). WHAT DO YOU THINK?

yea i know the hp rating. I was there when it happened. There are other things to think about than just HP like WHP how much is the GTS loosing, weight, and the driver. Another thing was the GS was stick the GTS was that sportronic crap. The GS ripped him off the line and that won it for him.

OH and you said a GTS would smoke a GS-T any day you have what 210 so does a GS-T. We have higher rpm range than the V6 eclipse. you might hang off the line thats about it!

(2G turbo or 3G V6) read that thread you have your own kind saying 2G is better.

I did a little research into the differences in the 4G63 and the 4G64. Only found 2. The deck is 6mm higher in the 64 and bore is 86.5mm. That's it. 6mm raises the compression to 9.5:1 and the larger bore increases torque output.

Haters...The 3g is by far the best Eclipse...But we are all eclipses..Does that mean anything.But the 3g should have its own forums seein that they are completly different Styles and different upgrades available..

LMAO... people saying 3G eclipses will beat 2G eclipses of equal hp.

3g Eclipse = 2910(or 3093, according to another source. I'm being generous. I think this is also w/ a 4 cylinder, and so the 6 would be a lot heavier.)lbs. Base model. Not counting all the girl car shit that most 3g eclipses have.

2g Eclipse = 2767. GS-T. GSX is heavier, yes, but also AWD which will smoke the shit out of the GT-S.
Oh, also... GS-T rated at 210 hp, GT-S rated at 205.

The 3g eclipse is the best eclipse if you are a ricer and want looks and luxury over speed. I like 3g eclipses, they are nice looking and decent cars... But I like the look of the 2g better, and you can't race a 3g eclipse as good as you can a 2g. However I don't like shit throwing contests so I don't expect to post again in this thread less someone calls me out.

How much money did you spend turboing the GTS let me spend half that much ill kill you. Im not hating on the new eclipse. But a 1G or 2G would kill it.

I spent $3k to turbo my GT (yes, V6). Thats with gauges and all. Lets see what you can do with that, then lets meet at the track.

However I don't like shit throwing contests so I don't expect to post again in this thread less someone calls me out.

Well, Im gonna call you out buddy.

3g Eclipse = 2910(or 3093, according to another source. I'm being generous. I think this is also w/ a 4 cylinder, and so the 6 would be a lot heavier.)lbs. Base model. Not counting all the girl car shit that most 3g eclipses have.

The V6 (GT/GTS) weighs around 3100lbs. We know people who have weighed them.

GS-T rated at 210 hp, GT-S rated at 205

Thats wrong, it was rated at 210hp

The 3g eclipse is the best eclipse if you are a ricer and want looks and luxury over speed.

Have you even been in a 3G? It has the cheapest, crappiest plastic interior I have ever seen. Far from luxury. And what exactly qualifies it as a "ricer" car. Please, enlighten me.

and you can't race a 3g eclipse as good as you can a 2g.

Says who...you? Yeah, I bet you're some real authority. Tell me, what "racing" can't you do as "good" in a 3G. Drags? AutoX?

My dad drives a GT Spyder. You can't race it as well because it is heavier. I didn't say you couldn't race it. Also, it is FWD, compared to AWD on GSXs. FWD, almost anyone will agree, sucks.

Ok. I have seen a video of a 3G passing 2 2G T (not sure if they was AWD or FWD) on the autox track. With ease. And the driver did have skill.

http://www.dsmporn.com/movies/road_racing/3G_eats_up_track_at_SOW.mpg (right click sace as). the only mods done to this car are JIC FLT A2's, AEM intake, and Magnaflow exhaust. Oh, and energy suspension bushings.

Yes, that is John Mueller from RoadRaceEngineering. That is a GSX that he passed.

And Sevren, you are wrong. Before you said "you can't race a 3g eclipse as good as you can a 2g." (Look above for your quote). Now you're changing your story, but I will roll with what you said about the Spydr. Yes, the Spyder is heavy, but so is a WRX, or an STi. Not saying that the 3G is comparable to the either, but given the right powerplant and the right suspension tuning, anything is possible.

You sound a huge n00b to me. I dont think you know too much about racing or performance in general. You should probably stop while your ahead.

I know rulez. I got that from C3G. I am johnnyB-rst over there.

Yeah, I wasnt diredting that post towards you. It was towards Sevren.

I was gonna post that video if you didnt. Good example of wehat the 3G is capable of.

How did I contradict myself? I still maintain that the 2g is a better racer, and that the 3g isn't as good.

Really, anything can race. If you spend the right amount of money on it.

How about this. You buy a new Eclipse GT-S and I buy a 95 GSX, and then spend enough in mods to equal 2-4 grand less than the new GT-S costed, and we'll see who wins.

Even stock, GSX and GS-T are better than stock GT-S. HP=roughly same, weight for the 2000+ equals more than GS-T so it wins and GSX unsure of weight but its AWD so it wins.

And I'm not a huge nube, I've worked as a mechanic since I was 16, im almost 21. However, I don't want to sling shit, and I have never insulted you as you have me, and meh, I don't really care if you are willfully ignorant so I'm gonna back out.

Holy crap...you are calling me ignorant? Ha ha ha....I cant believe you would be that deluded.

First off, I never said you contradicted yourself, I said you changed your story. You were using the 3G as a whole as an example, then you changed to use just the Spyder as an example, due to the fact that it weighs more. But whatever, thats fine.

Secondly, you still state things like the GSX and GST are better cars than the GTS stock vs stock because the GTS weighs more. OK, lets roll with that. Since the GST and GSX weigh less than a STi and an Evo, they must be better than those cars too, right? Wrong. Your basis for comparison is not worthy of such comments. A car is not better than another other simply due to it's weight difference, or because YOU say that one can be raced better than the other. Even if you wanna play that game, I could say that the GTS is better because it has a lot more torque than the GST does, but that doesnt warrant any such claim either

The cost to upgrade a GTS, or a 3G in general isnt some huge amount as your n00b mind may think. Try doing some research first. There are plenty of 3G owners over on www.neweclipse.org who have supercharged or turbo'd their cars and safely and consistently kick the crap outta GST's and GSX's on the track and on the street. How do I know? I've done it, and I've seen it.

Basically, what I am getting at is this. Just because a car doesnt have a turbo, isnt AWD, and weighs more than its competition, doesnt mean it cant be raced well. For you to say such a thing is ignorant. Take the 350z. It doesnt have any of the above and it weighs more than any 2G or 3G. Try and say that car cant be raced well.

I only used the Spyder example because you said about me never having been in one or something. I never said it couldn't be raced well. I said the 2g was a better racer. Don't put words into my mouth. The only reason I'm replying is because of that. I have seen quite a few very decent 3g Eclipses. I have seen many, many more good 2gs.

How did STis and EVos get into this? And its not at all like saying its better than those because it weighs less, because both of those have more hp stock. We're talking two equal hp cars.

Anyway, I'm done, hopefully.

I never said it couldn't be raced well. I said the 2g was a better racer. Don't put words into my mouth.

Well, that's pretty much the same thing, but...lets go with that then. You say the 2G is a better "racer". What racing are you referring to?

How did STis and EVos get into this?And its not at all like saying its better than those because it weighs less, because both of those have more hp stock. We're talking two equal hp cars.


You kept saying that the 3G sucked because of its weight. I was just proving that weight doesnt mean a car is a shitty "racer" compared to another.

So, we'll take two cars; car "A" and car "B". Both cars have 250hp and are AWD. However, car "A" weighs 3500lbs and car "B" weighs 3000lbs. Keep in mind, these are the only specs you know about these cars. You're gonna say that car "B" is better because it weighs less? Because that is pretty much what you are saying here. You are saying the 2G is a better "racer" than the 3G because it weighs less. You have no real conclusive evidence to back up your claim other than that the 3G weighs more, which isnt solid proof.

ok. well the video shows two 2G's getting took on a racetrack. Really shows how much better they are huh.

A racetrack is all based on the driver. You can take your skills as a driver and race some punk who has never been on a racetrack before in a GSX and smoke his ass. the get John Mueller in the 3g and he will take you for a beating.

For your info Sevren, the 2G GST weighs 2921lbs and the 3G GTS weighs 3241lbs. This is according to Mitucars.com. I have actually seen accounts of a 2000 GT weighing a mere 31xx with a full tank of gas. But, say it did in fact weight 3200lbs, that extra 300lbs would not make a huge difference. Certainly not one that warrants the claims you are making.

Weight is everything in racing. I can take a 180 hp POS that weighs 1800 and beats things with much much more(Which I plan to do when the new lotus comes out).

300 pounds is enough that with equal drivers, it would go to the 2g. End of story. (Also, the easy modifying of 2g's, and the ease of getting them to 300, 400 hp is a factor in it. I know a guy with a dynoed 2001 GT at 327 or so hp but it cost him a lot more than it would to get a 2g there. And even less for a 1g. But we weren't discussing 1g.)

Anyway, I'm done as I'm not gonna be around for a few days and don't really care anymore.

Weight is everything in racing. I can take a 180 hp POS that weighs 1800 and beats things with much much more.

I agree 100%. Key words you said there, "much much more". The less than 300lbs difference between the two isnt going to make enough of a difference. Sure, it will help, but it does not mean that one is a better "racer" than the other.

300 pounds is enough that with equal drivers, it would go to the 2g.

That is completely untrue. The two cars have different suspension, different torque numbers, center of gravity, wheelbase, etc. All this comes into play when racing. I am suprised a "mechanic" as you say you are wouldn't know that.

And the ease of getting them to 300, 400 hp is a factor in it. I know a guy with a dynoed 2001 GT at 327 or so hp but it cost him a lot more than it would to get a 2g there.

How much does it cost exactly to get a 2G to 300, 400hp? Do you know? I thought so. For a "mechanic", you're pretty ignorant. Just because the 2G has a lot more parts avaiable, does not mean that it is any cheaper. Again, being a "mechanic", I figured you would know that too. :rolleyes:

lmfao...

Actually, Yes, I do know how much it takes to get an eclipse to 300, 400 hp. Theres a website dedicated to it. I'll get it for you if you really want. The prices as quoted are +-3500 for 300 hp and +-5000 for 400 hp, total, if you don't go and buy brand name parts.

The "Much, Much more" was in reference to HP, not weight. Again you mistake my words. The 2g has a better suspension, less torque(But technically, torque is directly related to the amount of hp a car has, but shouldn't you know that with all of your knowledge? ;)), yes, and I'm not sure on center of gravity.

I really don't want to have to keep beating down all of your arguments so I suggest you quit.

Also, to quote someone famous who I can't remember "Using insults in your argument means only that your argument is weak."

I sure would like the website where it says it takes $5000 dollars to make 400whp by NOT using brand name parts.

Usually torque is related to horsepower, but then you have honda engines. 235whp and 145wtq. Pretty bid difference there. And as the power goes up, for any engine, the difference in torque and horsepower. Such as the Supra laying down 900whp and only 608wtq.

first of all...you're both being childish...I'm 16 and I know better than to fight like a total idiot on the internet. You both make valid points about the different generations and if you actually thought about it both genereations can do well racing. the 2g is good for some events and the 3g is better for others. All of this is dependent on weight balance, c of g placement, HP and TQ numbers, AWD and FWD and weight.

Beating down my arguments?! Dude, you havent yet posted one shred of solid evidence to back up your claims! Everything you post is opinion, and WORTHLESS!

Actually, Yes, I do know how much it takes to get an eclipse to 300, 400 hp. Theres a website dedicated to it. I'll get it for you if you really want. The prices as quoted are +-3500 for 300 hp and +-5000 for 400 hp, total, if you don't go and buy brand name parts.

You are an idiot for even beliving such a thing. And even if what you posted was true, then I already got you beat with my car, cuz I spent WAAY less than that.

The "Much, Much more" was in reference to HP, not weight. Again you mistake my words.

Actually, you didnt specifiy what you were talking about, so there were no words to mistake. We were on the subject of weight, so I dont know why you would all of a sudden change your story to HP. Maybe because Im proving you wrong?

The 2g has a better suspension

Says who? Where is your PROOF of this. Please...show me.

(But technically, torque is directly related to the amount of hp a car has, but shouldn't you know that with all of your knowledge? ;))

Yes, I do know that. When did I ever say I didnt, or that it wasnt true?

Also, to quote someone famous who I can't remember "Using insults in your argument means only that your argument is weak."

You are right there, I shouldn't insult you. But people like you....I just cant stand them so much, that it brings out the worst in me. You think you know it all, but you are nothing but a loser with all the excuses...a poser if you will.

As I said before, you have yet to disapprove anything I have said with any conclusive proof. I feel like continuing this argument with you will get me nowhere, but I feel the need to continue anyway, in hopes that you might in fact learn something.

Not to continue the argument, but show me how you got your car to 300, 400 hp faster? With "Naws?" And if you don't believe the hp for those costs, well, the people who have done it will disprove you. It's possible to get it for even cheaper, it just goes into the "illegal" range. And 1g's can get there even cheaper.

However, If you post the things I asked for, even if you try to refute me further, I'm not gonna post anymore, after what the 16 year old said.

However, If you post the things I asked for, even if you try to refute me further, I'm not gonna post anymore, after what the 16 year old said.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I'll show you what you want to see.

http://club3gfl.com/gallery/albums/Rulez/aah.jpg
http://club3gfl.com/gallery/albums/Rulez/aai.jpg

No nitrous. Nitrous is for pussies. Hell, I dont even have a FMIC on yet. Ask me how much it cost me for this...do it.

And 1g's can get there even cheaper.

Being as the 1G and 2G share like 95% of their parts, the price wouldnt be any different. You should know that, being a mechanic and all.

actually the 4G64 does have interchangeable parts with the 4G63. the 63 DOHC head and turbo manifold can bolt right up.

I could care less is there is a seperate forum. That's why there is Club 3G and the Eclipseforums.org/.com
hey johnny i just reg, read some forums you repied to you seem to know your shit! i have a 2002 rs eclipes looking for a rear drum to disk conversion do you know any mnf. aem make one for the civic or bone yard 2002 v-6 if i can find one :banghead:

......Wow. 95% of the parts, does not include the Turbo. You have to upgrade the tiny 2g turbo, but not the big 1g turbo. And the whole point of this post: How much did all of that cost? Show me prices of specific parts so I know you wont say 3000 under what it actually did.

Also, have a dyno slip? Quarter slip?

Milkman, read this (http://www.eclipseforums.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15084). This will tell you exactly what you need to do the drum/disk converison.

Road//Race Engineering might make a converison kit, but I am not to sure.

Johnny your link didn't work.
Rear drum brakes suck. I have a GS and they come with rear drums too. WTF? 30 year old techonology on a modern car. I just hate my brakes.
I've been looking around, there hasn't been any conversion kits. And even if there were it'll be like 3 or 4 thousand.
Does anyone know if it'll be easy to transfer a set of disc brakes from a GT to a GS? I know how to change pads and stuff but other then that I don't know much else about brakes.

Fixed the link. you could just find a rear brake set off a V6 model and strip them, but then everything would be used.

......Wow. 95% of the parts, does not include the Turbo. You have to upgrade the tiny 2g turbo, but not the big 1g turbo.

You have to upgrade all turbos to get power buddy.

And the whole point of this post: How much did all of that cost? Show me prices of specific parts so I know you wont say 3000 under what it actually did.

Also, have a dyno slip? Quarter slip?

I have slips. I will sacn them as soon as I can get to my friends scanner.

Turbo System: $1750, included piping, BOV, FPR, couplers, fittings etc.
Gauges: $600, EGT, Boost, Temp, Turbo Timer
Clutch: $375, Spec Stage 3

Total: $2725