Skylines handeling...
Cade
10-09-2003, 07:36 PM
Specifically the R32 GTR, How are the Skyline's w/ handeling?, how balanced is the cars weight?, They seem to weigh alot, or more than usual for Touge/Winding road type racing, how nimble are they? Tight steering or loose? Anything you think I should know would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
R33
10-10-2003, 12:31 AM
The GTR's handling, especially the R32, is excellent. Although the car is not really balanced, in terms of weight distribution, the electronics, ie ATTESSA/A-LSD (in V-Specs GTRs) and HICAS really provide a wonderful driving experience.
At first, you would be intimidated by the sheer bulk and weight of the car. It feels heavy and even sluggish going into and out of corners, particularly the tight ones. But don't give up. A GTR is a car which requires you to be patient and respectful. It is not a car for you to throw about like an EVO or STi. You learn something new about a GTR's handling everytime you drive it. To be frank, I am still discovering new tricks from my R33 even after 3 years of trashing it around the tracks!
The secret to discovering a GTR's handling talent, IMHO (and I speak from my own experience - others may disagree and have their own experience), is to be smooth. You coax it into corners smoothly and power out smoothly and you will know how good is its handling!
In stock form though, the GTR has a bit of understeering going into the apex. Just hold on to it and with the right amount of steering input, that would be corrected in no time. What happens after that is what which makes the GTR such a great car. Drive it and you will know what I mean...
At first, you would be intimidated by the sheer bulk and weight of the car. It feels heavy and even sluggish going into and out of corners, particularly the tight ones. But don't give up. A GTR is a car which requires you to be patient and respectful. It is not a car for you to throw about like an EVO or STi. You learn something new about a GTR's handling everytime you drive it. To be frank, I am still discovering new tricks from my R33 even after 3 years of trashing it around the tracks!
The secret to discovering a GTR's handling talent, IMHO (and I speak from my own experience - others may disagree and have their own experience), is to be smooth. You coax it into corners smoothly and power out smoothly and you will know how good is its handling!
In stock form though, the GTR has a bit of understeering going into the apex. Just hold on to it and with the right amount of steering input, that would be corrected in no time. What happens after that is what which makes the GTR such a great car. Drive it and you will know what I mean...
R33
10-10-2003, 12:34 AM
BTW, the steering feel of the GTR is one of the best you will ever experience...in ANY car! It's neither tight nor loose. It's just right and very communicative regardless of what wheels or tyres you are using.
SkylineUSA
10-10-2003, 03:57 AM
For this board, R33 is the MAN on what the GTR is all about when it comes to handling.
To me you really cannot discribe the feeling, at least I cannot. The only way is to actually drive on. The handling prowless cannot really be put into words.
Personnaly, I do not like the HICAS. But the ATTESSA is awesome:)
To me you really cannot discribe the feeling, at least I cannot. The only way is to actually drive on. The handling prowless cannot really be put into words.
Personnaly, I do not like the HICAS. But the ATTESSA is awesome:)
RazorGTR
10-10-2003, 02:45 PM
Agreed. About the only way to describe it, is it would be like combining the feeling of a rwd car and fwd car in one. Figure a rwd going into and coming out of the corner and a fwd about the apex but not as bad.
I am sure others with GTR's can tell you is as you become more acustom in what to expect as you push it harder and harder is, learn to trust the car. It can be a bit un-nerving at times. The front and rear diffs unlock as you enter the corner and are under deacceleration, then the lsd begins to work as you beging to apply throttle again, and as that is happening the ATTESSA system is monitoring wheel slippage, throttle position, and G-Forces.
They do and will oversteer like a rwd car but instead of backing off the throttle you have to learn to keep your foot into it. Backing off completely will unlock the rear diff and the car will snap around violently. This is where trial and error and learning to trust the gear supplied by Nissan comes into play. As the computer begins to apply front wheel torque it will begin to straighten itself out. The first time this happened to me I backed off and it came all the way around, not i just keep my foot into it and ride it out, within reason. You can still get them to go completely around even under full throttle. I've had some wickedly long and awesome powerslides in my R32. :devil:
I am sure others with GTR's can tell you is as you become more acustom in what to expect as you push it harder and harder is, learn to trust the car. It can be a bit un-nerving at times. The front and rear diffs unlock as you enter the corner and are under deacceleration, then the lsd begins to work as you beging to apply throttle again, and as that is happening the ATTESSA system is monitoring wheel slippage, throttle position, and G-Forces.
They do and will oversteer like a rwd car but instead of backing off the throttle you have to learn to keep your foot into it. Backing off completely will unlock the rear diff and the car will snap around violently. This is where trial and error and learning to trust the gear supplied by Nissan comes into play. As the computer begins to apply front wheel torque it will begin to straighten itself out. The first time this happened to me I backed off and it came all the way around, not i just keep my foot into it and ride it out, within reason. You can still get them to go completely around even under full throttle. I've had some wickedly long and awesome powerslides in my R32. :devil:
Cade
10-11-2003, 12:39 AM
Sounds good so far. I think that will be my future car at the start of the New yr (Jan or Feb). I cant wait, hope MotoRexy has one in stock. Thanks alot for the replies and feel free to add more exsperiences and opinions, as I will be checking back in to see any new post. :smile: Thanks
R33
10-12-2003, 08:34 PM
"....long and awesome powerslides in my R32."
Yeah man, don't we all love that? I used to dread going into corners and powering out in my 33! But now, I just declutch, point the nose to the apex, squeeze the throtle and power out...OMG...4 wheel powerslide...full throtle and off it goes munching some EVOs/Supras/F355 along the straight... :evillol:
Razor/Sky...I was thinking why is it that the GTR feels as if it is understeering into corners (that shouldn't be the case as it is rear wheel biased!). Notice I wrote "it feels as if..."That's because I don't really know whether it is really understeering or it just feels as such. Could it be the HICAS playing tricks in our mind. I mean...imagine this...you enter a corner, point the nose towards the apex...at this time it is 2 wheel steering...which means the front wheels are being steered into the corner/apex. The computer is busy calculating and at one point or another, the HICAS kicks in...now it is 4 wheel steering...the rear wheels are being adjusted up to 1 degree pointing in the opposite direction as opposed to the front wheels...the car now clips the apex a split second faster and easier because of the HICAS somuch so that the moment BEFORE the HICAS kicks in it feels as if the car was understeering. I could be dead wrong here. It's just what I imagine happen while the GTR goes into a corner and clip the apex.
What do you think?
Yeah man, don't we all love that? I used to dread going into corners and powering out in my 33! But now, I just declutch, point the nose to the apex, squeeze the throtle and power out...OMG...4 wheel powerslide...full throtle and off it goes munching some EVOs/Supras/F355 along the straight... :evillol:
Razor/Sky...I was thinking why is it that the GTR feels as if it is understeering into corners (that shouldn't be the case as it is rear wheel biased!). Notice I wrote "it feels as if..."That's because I don't really know whether it is really understeering or it just feels as such. Could it be the HICAS playing tricks in our mind. I mean...imagine this...you enter a corner, point the nose towards the apex...at this time it is 2 wheel steering...which means the front wheels are being steered into the corner/apex. The computer is busy calculating and at one point or another, the HICAS kicks in...now it is 4 wheel steering...the rear wheels are being adjusted up to 1 degree pointing in the opposite direction as opposed to the front wheels...the car now clips the apex a split second faster and easier because of the HICAS somuch so that the moment BEFORE the HICAS kicks in it feels as if the car was understeering. I could be dead wrong here. It's just what I imagine happen while the GTR goes into a corner and clip the apex.
What do you think?
Moppie
10-12-2003, 08:40 PM
It feels like its understeering becuase it has a HUGE great big chunk of cast iron sitting over the front wheels.
My old Triumph, despite being a wicked oversteerer, would feel exactly the same as you described going into a corner, and also had a huge lump of case iron in the front.
Basicly it dosnt matter how much technowizardry you have it's a huge amount of interia to try and over come, and you will feel that.
My old Triumph, despite being a wicked oversteerer, would feel exactly the same as you described going into a corner, and also had a huge lump of case iron in the front.
Basicly it dosnt matter how much technowizardry you have it's a huge amount of interia to try and over come, and you will feel that.
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