turbo vs. supercharge for b16a1

hey i don't have a b16 yet, but i am planning on it and my friend keeps pressuring me to go turbo but i'm thinkin of more supercharged, i hear it has better low end torque but can cause problems at high altitude. and i'm hearing that turbos can be unreliable and the guages kinda intimidate me. So what are the pros and cons of each and which would you think would be best for street racing, non drag, i dislike drag.

go supercharger, that is what i am goin for, IMO they better cause they put out more horsepower at the wheels and are more reliable

then post the vote, the gerbal is winning man.

getting a Supercharger for a b16 is difficult since there is no kit for the 1 or 2nd gen B16a only the 99-00. you can retrofit a JRSC of a Type-R but it requires alot of time and effort along with $$$.

I personaly am going the turbo route... less expensive, easier to get, potential for more power, and a BOV.

personal desision... I am going turbo !

Kun

go supercharger, that is what i am goin for, IMO they better cause they put out more horsepower at the wheels and are more reliable

Yo pass that crack rock over here man!
If they made more whp and were more reliable why do all the pro honda teams use big ass turbo's? I meen hell, they must not have figured it out by now! :screwy:

i vote go turbo!!
snail fed all the way..hehe...no seriously its your choice wich route you want to go, it is your car afterall. :licka:

If you want more HP and torque, turbo is the way to go.

NA for me, more respect for me to build high-HP ultra fast on reg parts than just slapping some turbos on it.

Yo pass that crack rock over here man!
If they made more whp and were more reliable why do all the pro honda teams use big ass turbo's? I meen hell, they must not have figured it out by now! :screwy:


they use big ass turbos cause they have the GREEN to spend every time the blow

NA for me, more respect for me to build high-HP ultra fast on reg parts than just slapping some turbos on it.
Word. i'd say It depends on what how you drive I think. all have pros and cons too.

they use big ass turbos cause they have the GREEN to spend every time the blow

You can rebuld a turbo for about $200 so I hope thats not the oodles of "Green" that you speak of...

If your talking about the motor, I am realy going to laugh my ass off because a blower puts way more stress on a motor than a turbo does. Not to mention, when was the last time you saw a roots blower with an intercooler? Can you say detonation? Not to mention, blowers have a tendancy to come apart at the seams at high rpm's (Which is why non of the pro honda teams use them) and on top of all that, if you are going to be a moron and boost the shit out of a stock motor then you get what you have coming.

If your talking about the motor, I am realy going to laugh my ass off because a blower puts way more stress on a motor than a turbo does.

actually, all forced induction is pretty much the same. all the engine knows is compression. And as far as superchargers detonating, as long as you have the proper fuel management, its not a problem.

Also, most racers use turbos becuase the kits that come for hondas can only be set at 6 or 9 psi, and you can only change that boost level by upgrading the pulley. top drag racers usually boost a hell of a lot more boost than 9psi, so a turbo is logically more practical.

actually, all forced induction is pretty much the same. all the engine knows is compression. And as far as superchargers detonating, as long as you have the proper fuel management, its not a problem.
Actually since a charger is powered by a belt the engine has to turn it does put a little more stress on an engine.

actually since a turbo is causing back pressure before it spools, it is putting a load on the engine as well.

:p

- i hear that turbos put stress on the engine mainly when you start from idle cause it hasn't had time to build up compression but the superchargers offer slightly better response because the run of a belt (mind you no one can tell cause it's so miniscule it can't be detected by humans) but they offer better response off the line.
- also more reliable for everyday driver which i will be using it for.

p.s. more info about turbos, and what's the deal w/ turbo almost running even w/ the gerbal?

my 2 cents in this is this ........

Both charger and turbo have pros and cons and it comes right down to what type of power you wana make, if you wana be able to make more power in time, and what you wana spend $$ on. Like a charger makes some lower HP yes and its on hand power (because its ran off the belts) but they do run alot hoter and you still need a fule managment system and all that good stuff they dont tell you about.

Now a turbo you can get good power out of it and you have alot more room to grow with a turbo far as HP then you do with a charger. For the simple fact that you can change fans in them intercolers the list goes on. Unlike the charger where you prety much only have pullys to sawp out to change your HP. Turbos you can aslo in my opion and what I have found tune your power alot better then with a charger.


So i would go with a turbo find a good kit and bulid form there. And seriously price them both out and see what you can do and where each can go for you and your car.

Here is a link that you can peep Dyno chart on charger motors and turbo motors to get a idea of where you can end up....
http://www.importreview.com/dyno.html

dude that sight really helps, i'm still looking forward to the final result of the poll, the gerbal is promising, i think i'll do that if i can't do a turbo or super.

superchargers are super heavy.

so i'm guessing from this poll that superchargers are not the way to go for a small engine, and that the most cost efficent is a hamster, so i'm guessing that the most cost efficent way to increase my horsepower is this.http://people.tamu.edu/~jdd0878/honduh.jpg
or NA if i don't want to use turbo.

turbo's require way more maintenance than a roots-type supercharger. If you want daily driven power, then a roots supercharger is the best choice because there aren't oil hoses running all around the engine compartment.
Turbos are great for 1/4mile drag racing because the can be tuned to produce more power at specific RPM ranges than roots-superchargers.

Bottom Line :
Drag Race Only = Turbo
Daily Driver = Roots Supercharger

Check out the link below for a complete explanation,
http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/howorksh.html