best car engineering?

what area makes the best cars in the world?... judging in all around performance.

Germany's my pick...

Isn't Subaru Japanese?

im almost positive subaru is australian... their model "outback" is a dead give away + their logo is a little hint too.

No Subaru is Japanese- part of the Fuji motor corp. Australias sole maker is Holden- a branch of GM that sells redaged Opels, Suzukis and the Commodore, as well as the Fod Falcon, local-mpdel Toyota Camry and Mitsubishi Diamante :)

thanks for clearin it up jimster

Best cars is subjective. I'll go with the Itallians for their supercar lineups :biggrin:

im almost positive subaru is australian... their model "outback" is a dead give away + their logo is a little hint too.

lol... hey everyone makes mistakes. i voted for japan.

It's a hard call between Germany and Asia for engineering. I'll vote Germany as they understood the importance of looks and therefore proposed better packages. Japanese manufacturer made well sorted car for years but it's only recently they are nice to look at.

im almost positive subaru is australian... their model "outback" is a dead give away + their logo is a little hint too.

SUBARU IS JAPANESE, OUTBACK IS WHAT THEY CALL IT IN THE STATES, AND THEY ONLY ADVERTISE IT TO BE RELATED TO AUSTRALIA. AND IF U STILL DONT BELIEVE EVEN GRAN TURISMO SHOWS U THAT SUBARU IS JAPANESE. THE STI HAS SO FAR ONLY SOLD IN JAPAN AND EUROPE UNTIL NOW. BUT I ALSO USED TO THINK THAT SUBARU WAS JAPANESE UNTIL I RESEARCHED.

It's a hard pick...German or East Asian....I'll go for Germany simply because they're cars are built to last...and perform. East Asian car makers do have bad ass racing cars but not nearly enough as the Germans.

I love italian exotics...but correct me if i'm wrong...they're not as reliable as German or East Asian engineered cars.

SUBARU IS JAPANESE, OUTBACK IS WHAT THEY CALL IT IN THE STATES, AND THEY ONLY ADVERTISE IT TO BE RELATED TO AUSTRALIA. AND IF U STILL DONT BELIEVE EVEN GRAN TURISMO SHOWS U THAT SUBARU IS JAPANESE. THE STI HAS SO FAR ONLY SOLD IN JAPAN AND EUROPE UNTIL NOW. BUT I ALSO USED TO THINK THAT SUBARU WAS JAPANESE UNTIL I RESEARCHED.


read the whole thread before you post dumbsh!t. first off everyone makes mistakes. secondly we'd figured that out before your un-needed post in an un twelve year old way. phhh. *rolls eyes*

I love italian exotics...but correct me if i'm wrong...they're not as reliable as German or East Asian engineered cars.

Ferrari's and Lamborgini's aren't reliable??? ;-) hehe

well andera....i did say correct me if i'm wrong.. :smile: ....It's just that i haven't heard of ferraris hitting 300k+ miles....my dads friends mercedes has 380k miles on it...

Don't get the idea that I don't like italian cars....I love them....but the question was about engineering and not racing heritage...once again....please correct me if i'm wrong.

well andera....i did say correct me if i'm wrong.. :smile: ....It's just that i haven't heard of ferraris hitting 300k+ miles....my dads friends mercedes has 380k miles on it...

Don't get the idea that I don't like italian cars....I love them....but the question was about engineering and not racing heritage...once again....please correct me if i'm wrong.

yeah i've never heard of a ferrari ever hitting 300k. but if you were to spend 150k on a car would you drive it that far? I know i'd baby it more than anything. what I have heard from (lol "oddly" a show on porsche) that they're some of the most unreliable cars in the world. what i think is that ferrarie essentially makes them for weekend track cars or just a once a week 20 mile spin around the neighborhood.... nothing like putting around to work everyday, i dont really know though i've never researched ferrari much... their cars have never interested me. i would say that best car engineering certainly does include reliablility though. thats why i would pick german engineering as the best... even though for the most part if you dont take care of a german car you're fucked, if you do your porsche/audi/bmw/whatever right it will last you 300k miles plus.

Once again, Subaru is a Japanese company.

Does Fuji Heavy Industries sound Australian to you????? :banghead:

Once again, Subaru is a Japanese company.

Does Fuji Heavy Industries sound Australian to you????? :banghead:


out of pure curiosity did you read the whole thread or read 2 post and then post this?

Germany is no question the leader in the technology field.
They also builds a more "stable" car, I guess that because they were designed for the autobahns.
But I would say Japanese builds more reliable cars.
My family owns /owned car from both Germany (Mercedes, BMW, Porsche) and Japan (Isuzu, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda),
the Japanese cars always had less problems, or even no problems.
As for the German cars....they all have some kind of electrical problems
Now I have a Mazda for everyday driving and a Mercedes for weekends

Greman all the way!!!!!!





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SUBARU IS A JAPANESE COMPANY!!! LOL...j/k man. Some people, huh? I would guess Germany, although I don't have any personal experience with German built cars. But from what I've seen and read about Mercedes in particular, Germany all the way. What do you guys think is one of the best engineered cars? I would guess a Mercedes Unimog, although it's not really a car.

japanese all the way. Specifically Toyota but not including the Tundra. Benz went down hill when Chrysler came aboard IMO.

id go for the germans if i could afford it. their cars are too pricey. :2cents:

daily driving=japanese cars
weekend driving=german cars

japanese all the way. Specifically Toyota but not including the Tundra. Benz went down hill when Chrysler came aboard IMO.

what happened was more like Diamler picked up chrysler and took over operations. Not much has changed for the german company except now they have a huge american company to shape anyway they see fit.

That new Crossfire is made out of mostly merc parts (off the slk i think)

http://trial.which.co.uk/motoring.php?p_id=215&whdev_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch %3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3Dcar%2Breliability&roi=1000215

"Dont know if that will work or not, but this is what it basically says:Our latest car reliability survey reveals German brands are on the slide, while Ford is on the up

'If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen' is one of the best known advertising slogans of recent years. So why doesn't VW use it any more? Maybe it's because the message was starting to wear thin with its customers. Certainly the feedback we've received from VW owners this year shows that it no longer rings true.

There's worrying news for the other VW brands (Audi, Seat and Skoda), too, along with Mercedes-Benz. Meanwhile, Ford, a former poor performer in the reliability stakes, has made big strides towards improving the reliability of its cars."

I've known this for years, it's why you'd have to bury me in a Benz before I'd ever own one and it amazes me that they sell at all. MAYBE their engines could hold up well, but their interiors, despite "looking nice" according to most here, are the worst interiors I've seen so far in wear and tear ability. Especially Volkswagens. Headliners drooping, sunroofs not working, dashes cracking like crazy... etc. Bavarian Motor Works? Jesus....H.....Christ. If Anything goes wrong with a BMWs electrical system, just drive/drag/tow/push it to a field, burn it, and collect insurance money. Trust me, you'd be saving yourself some serious headache. When it comes to overall longevity, I'll have to go with the Japanese on this. I've personally seen some horrendous lemons made by them, but they are few and far between in the jap crowd. Still... I've gotta love my old yanktanks. :)
BTW, notice it's a UK site? No American bias on that one guys.

Actually, my experience with VW's is that the Interiors have been built to an extremely high standard, headliners have never fallen out, dashes look like new after 15 years, same with MErc Benz- BMW are more questionable- but usually thier cars that roll off the Munich lines are built to an extremely high standard as well- though they appear to have a higher lemon-rate than most............And there is the 7 sries issue as well- if the Computer in charge of the cars electrical system breaks down, the whole car is fucked

Wow, you've been really lucky then with their interiors then. My pal Kevin has owned 2 80's Jettas and I knew a guy from college who had a 96 Jetta. The 80s ones both had the same things happening, the headliners were hanging in the back, the material on the door panels was beginning to blister, so it was about to peel, the dash was almost non-existant, the sunroof in one of the 80s ones didn't work because the (plastic) crank handle broke off... etc. Oh, and the little plastic snaps on the lovely shift linkage they came up with decided to break. More than once, nearly stranding us. Now, the one from the 80s with a sunroof was a diesel Jetta, so it did run forever and got damn good fuel mileage. But the interior fell completely apart. I don't like the way the Jettas shift either, some people call it smooth, I call it 'butter', as in I can't even feel what gear I'm shifting to. I've had enough with Volkswagen just catchin rides Kevin and Rene and drivin those heaps.

hmmmm......I bought my younger brother a 1991 Mk2 Jetta last year- had 200,000+ km's, the interior was in good nick, considering it had to drive over the VOlcano-chipped roads of New Zealand (The Ultimate test for build-quality) before he totalled it, the trim had come off from the side mirror (plastic that covered it and the handbrake, otherwise the interior quality was impressive.


Perhaps it is because there was Mexican assembly of some US JEttas (My brothers one was from Germany)

Once again, Subaru is a Japanese company.

Does Fuji Heavy Industries sound Australian to you????? :banghead:

the master of all round sports car is the ero cars

but as for cheap car that goes like a bat out of hell on strates i'll go with the all american corvette (starts masturbaiting)

I'd have to say the Euro cars like ferrari would probably have to have the best engineered engines. HOWEVER, as a total package I really don't think there are many cars that come close to the R34 Skyline GTR. YEs we all know the ferrari could beat a GTR in a straight line race, But the GTR would completely thrash the ferrari's around a track. I don't think there would be many cars that would match the superb handling and performance combination of a GTR. And all for a substantially lower price than any ferrari or other such rival. thus why the GTR has to be my pick for best all round engineering.

I hardly would give vw and audi the cretit of making reliable cars infact nothing could be farther from the truth. If I had to pick the car companies that made the least reliable cars on the road today it would have to be vw(audi) and dodge. Granted the benz up in till recently were very durable cars how ever in the past several years their quality seems to have fallen off and as for the new bmw 7 series I'm not gonna ever start.

I'd have to say the Euro cars like ferrari would probably have to have the best engineered engines. HOWEVER, as a total package I really don't think there are many cars that come close to the R34 Skyline GTR. YEs we all know the ferrari could beat a GTR in a straight line race, But the GTR would completely thrash the ferrari's around a track. I don't think there would be many cars that would match the superb handling and performance combination of a GTR. And all for a substantially lower price than any ferrari or other such rival. thus why the GTR has to be my pick for best all round engineering.

dude, but seriously i dont think i've laughed that hard in so long. a skyline? handling better than a ferrari??? Ferraris can handle themselves upwards of 180mph... umm can a skyline even go taht fast? Porsche, do you think a skyline can outhandle a porsche 911? it just doesnt happen. a skyline cannot keep up with a 911 turbo, thats all their is too it. granted the skyline is hell fast (waht 4.8 0-60)... but with a few mods to a porsche 951 (stock 170mph and 0-60 in 5.5ish) you can have it going 0-60 in under 5 seconds and it'll outhandle any skyline out there.... just my 2cents though. if you cant afford a 911 turbo (i know i cant haha)... skyline would be good LOL. i'd rather put the money you'd spend on a skyline into a 944 turbo though, but that's just meh. GERMAN ENGINEERING RULES! hehe

ja, das germans maken uber never breakem vagens.

ja, das germans maken uber never breakem vagens.
mmmkay.....

For me American, i've found Buicks to very reliable cars; Good ride and within most peoples price range to.

I think there is an obvious answer. The best sports cars in the world are found to be european. That is a fact.

Sarcasm, you ever hear of it? If you maintain your car instead of running it to the ground, most newer cars will not let you down, be it Japanese, American, or European.

I am on Porsche #2, and previous to that I have owned numerous Japanese and American cars... The same things hold true for all; if well cared for they will last for you. Granted the maintenance schedule for my 968 is quite a bit pricier than it would be for a Tercel or Focus or their ilk, but I have never driven a car as well sorted as the Porsche 968. Now if it only had a little more stank in the engine compartment. (Normally aspirated 4-banger, only so much one can do)

i picked Australia, cause i dunno what they make...
but i like their beer...

-Germans for their engines and transmissions (911s, M, ///AMG, S, SMG)
-Italy for their bodies
-Sweden for making the longest damn lasting car ever (some guy drove a mid 80's 240 for about 1,000,000 miles)
-America for most power for the money (Z06=405bhp for 50 grand, Viper=500bhp for 80ish)
-Japan for the VTEC

I would have to say that german cars are the best. Even though latley they have been getting bad reviews. I think that people see german cars as very reliable and then don't care of them that well. People expect too much and when something goes wrong because they didn't take care of their cars, they complain and that is why more bad reviews have benn appearing. And also most german cars are pushed harder then most non-european cars. Hondas are seen as really reliable, but you have to take into account that most of them are driven by middle-aged women that don't expect much more than good gas milage. On the other hand, when someone buys a BMW, they see it as a sports car and use it as one, and that is why it is hard to find a used BMW in good condition.

i would say 80's Saab's for being the most durable & reliable frames and getting alot of power out of a four cylinder, but performance and looks definitely hand over to German engineering

VTEC? That isnt exactly an engineering marvel.

Either way I picked Germany, no contest. The only people to top them in any field is Toyota, they are the pioneers in hybrid technology (Take a good look at the Volta in Geneva)

um dude Subaru is Japanese

o yah all austrailia so yall know were the ones who made the new GTO.
Pontiac just rebadged it.

Germans and the British

i picked americans cause you just get so much bang for your buck. Americans are loud mouthed yankes and our cars represent that.

Everyone I know with VW Jetta's have tons of electrical problems. None of them have had any major problems like with the engine or transmission yet, thank goodness, but they spend the majority of their driving to the dealership to get minor electrical issues fixed. Other than that, they run good, and are a good value for the money, but a tad too troublesome for my taste.

I'm not familiar with the higher model VW's, but I would guess the more expensive Passatt would have the Jetta's problems fixed up, and you shouldn't have the same problems with more expensive brands such as Mercedes and Audi.

But all I can do is speak from experience, and my 1992 Mustang GT has held up a lot better than my sister's 1995 Honda Accord. Her antenna won't go up or down anymore, it's stuck in the half-way position, her power doorlocks don't all work, and the ones that do make a horrible sound when you activate them, at least one of her door sensors are not working correctly so we had to disable the alarm, the power side mirror adjustors don't work at all, you have to roll down the windows and move them yourself, there's condensation in the brake lights, the lever to open the gas cover lid doesn't work, the engine gasket is busted, so there's motor oil inside one of the spark plug access hole, the brake pedal can sometime go all the way to the ground with no braking power (but if you lift off and depress it again it would work, so no accidents resulting yet...) and we've had the master cylinder and all the fluid checked and rechecked by many people, they can't find anything wrong, and, hm, what else...

And this isn't isolated, we thought hers was just a lemon, but my friend has a higher model Honda Accord that is one year younger (1996) and it has the same problems with the power doorlocks, mirror control, condensation in more than one light capsule, and probably a few other problems I haven't heard about.

Meanwhile, everything I listed there works on my 1992 Mustang GT, not to mention it runs great. :)

So based on personal experience alone, I would cancel out Japanese since they are basically good at making good economy cars, but that's not such a monumentous feat, I can't say German, even though I like them, the only German cars my friends own have a lot of problems, and i'm not sure about the rest.

I know ONE person with a Ferrari, he loves his car, and says it's great, but it does suffer mechanical problems almost routinely. It could have something to do with the way he drives, but with his money, he doesn't mind having to bring it to the dealership to get fixed so he can have another couple of months of driving around like a crazy man in an exotic car... So my experience with Euro (non-German) cars is limited to this dumbass, so can't really speak for that...

I would pick American from my personal experience, but a lot of people claim that American cars are crap. Which I don't understand, because my father owns his own business and drives his Ford Aerostar an aweful lot. He's had two, one of them he had up to 210,000 miles and it was still running fine on the original motor, transmission, a/c compressor, etc. no major work done except for routine oil-change, etc. But someone ran into that one while it was on the side of the road, my dad pulled over to help someone with a broken down car. So he got another Ford Aerostar, this one has about 290,000 miles on it, and it's the same situation as the last one, no work had to be done except routine maintenance, and it still runs fine.

My Mustang GT is going on 12 years old, and has about 150,000 miles on it, and same situation, still runs fine.

However, my dad did buy a Chrysler car, forgot what it was, but it's a freakin lemon, everything has gone wrong with it within the first year. He's trying to get rid of it right now actually.

So I guess I would say I've had really good experience with Ford. Man, can't pick one, can't say any one country leads the rest...

i say japanese cars for the everyday man, german cars are better built yeah and italian cars are just sweetly engineered but for $150,000 + they better f*cking well be good.... i mean the R&D that must go into those cars.... and if you thought carbon fibre hoods were expensive what about carbon fibre monocoques??? it all comes down to $$$$$$

i say japanese cars for the everyday man, german cars are better built yeah and italian cars are just sweetly engineered but for $150,000 + they better f*cking well be good.... i mean the R&D that must go into those cars.... and if you thought carbon fibre hoods were expensive what about carbon fibre monocoques??? it all comes down to $$$$$$


demon_mustang your sister must have gotten a accord that was fucked before she got it, or she's just a typical girl drive ;) *snickers*. I have an '85 accord that runs awesome and gets 40mpg, no problems. you have to change the oil ever 3k, spark plugs 10k, etc..... the typical matenance. I'm also assuming her car's an auto, which causes more problems than it solves. I also think (but im not sure) that the 94-97 Accords were one of the worse gen. i like my jap cars...... I run my integra into the ground everyday and everymorning it starts up and its ready to go again. the thing loves to be run at 4-6k rpm. german cars are the best built cars in the world. wanna talk about safety?? they're just a little touchier than jap cars, but they ARE reliable. i forget where but i saw a survey where porsche was the most reliable car (less problems per cars sold) than any other in the world, yes, i know that goes against the grain...

american cars.... they just suck. i mean chevey, build like a rock (because it doesnt move).... ford, dodge, whatever...... they all sucka nd eat up oil, they're a waste. not to mention they'll obliterate any vehicle on the road in an accident, their headlights are right in everyone elses eyes... i just hate 'em.


italian cars...... image, 'nuff said.... however their's absolutely nothing better than the sound of a ferrari in a tunnel.... its enough to make me cream hahahah.

american cars.... they just suck. i mean chevey, build like a rock (because it doesnt move).... ford, dodge, whatever...... they all sucka nd eat up oil, they're a waste. not to mention they'll obliterate any vehicle on the road in an accident, their headlights are right in everyone elses eyes... i just hate 'em.

Yeah, you sound like you know a whole lot about american cars. I must say, those are all very valid reasons why they suck. :rolleyes:

All you had to say was that you hated them, dont beat around it and give a bunch of bullshit reasons like "they all eat up oil."

i say Germany simply because they have the best track record for quality & engineering

German cars always seem to be getting more refined and each model is better than its successor. They dont out with too many duds. It seems like when they put their mind to something they're pretty dangerous. (Especially in the 1930's and 40's) JUST KIDDING.

not to mention they'll obliterate any vehicle on the road in an accident, their headlights are right in everyone elses eyes... i just hate 'em.

Thats actually the best thing about American cars. Ever see a demoliton derby? No Honda would have a chance!!

I wouldn't think you would say that's one of the best things when you hit a wall by accident with your car and go flying out the window and ending up on your hood unconcious. That's what sucks about having no crumplezones.

Well said.

everyones way too biased, and has very little facts to back up their claims.