Turbo Charging Or Super Charging Or My creation

I want to put on an electic powered fan on my car. unlike the super and turbo chargers this will be ran off of electricity. bypassing the expensive instalation and would be relatively cheap. all the chargers do is force air in to the enging so I think that if I put a squirl fan on the air intake line and put the fan on a switch it would work just the same as a supercharger. this however would have a stable amount of boost and would not start off low and then climb as the engine built up speed.

Let me know If you think it will work. I plan on buying a 100$ car and testing out my plan on that. If it doesnt blow the engine I will be putting the electric turbo on my 2002 MR2 Spyder. Look out. :screwy:

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How about some feed back

I doubt this would work - if it did EVERYONE would have it. There simply isn't enough pressure provided by an electric fan to make a difference - it isn't powerful enough.

That stupid "Tornado" thing you see advertised on TV is a joke as well - it just doesn't add any power to the car.

those electric turbo and tornado stuff are all hype, i'm sure you wont feel any difference. also, if a car had a lot of hp, it would actually do harm to performance because it would be a restriction.

I just joined this list after seeing all the posts regarding the eRAM.

If you forget all the bogus products out there that do not work, and have no business of working for many reasons, you will see that the eRAM's concepts are based on solid physics and automotive engineering

Here are the specs.
908cfm (measured on a flow bench)
13volts
3lbs of thrust (shown on the video)
24,000rpm
1psi net change in intake pressure with use of the eRAM on WOT
5% hp gains as seen on many cars , measured by a rear wheel (or front wheel ) dyno jet 248e.
Use by a pro racing team for over 4 years, with no issues. On several club racer's cars that have been dynoed and are also used on the street.

dont confuse the flow rating of a carburetor , with the requirements of an engine. its related to its size, and generally, a 5 liter engine will draw close to 500cfm at 6000rpm. you can divde this for your engines output.

1hp motors can exist in the size that we are using. they are expensive and made to Military type specs. (rare earth magnets, all cnc machined aluminum parts, etc) The eRAM works only at WOT, so the duty cyle is pretty low, so we can hit the motor hard for short durations. at a track like laguna, even a top driver will only be on the WOT for 40 seconds a lap, on a 1:40 second lap. drag racing only takes less than 15-16 seconds , (or less!)

The 10hp gains we got on several porsche 911s , on top of the 200hp rear wheel that we tested , was real and done by an independent dyno shop, and club racer!

If you have any questions, I would be happy to address them.

Mark Kibort
eRACING
SpeedGT #19
www.electricsupercharger.com
www.928trackcars.com/kibort/

Quote:those electric turbo and tornado stuff are all hype, i'm sure you wont feel any difference. also, if a car had a lot of hp, it would actually do harm to performance because it would be a restriction.

i don't mean to critisize or anything. if your site and claims are true, then i would like some clarification on some things, if thats no problem to you.

if that 5% hp increase claim is true, then the driver of the mr-s would hardly feel any difference, if any at all. the mr-s produces 128bhp i believe? i remember reading somewhere where a magazine ran a base test and got somewhere around 120rwhp. with that 120rwhp and a 5% hp increase, there would only be a 6hp increase; if the car actually produces a 5% hp increase.

does the eram connect to most stock intake systems? if it did then wouldn't the piping size go back down to stock size? also, if one wanted a full aftermarket intake, they would have to buy another aftermarket intake and then put the eram on it instead of using the aftermarket filter, right? i'm guessing that for the eram and an aftermarket intake, it would cost over 400 at average.

now this is what i really want to know. what if a high horsepower car was equipped with a turbocharger that could flow over 1000cfm. would the eram then create a restriction or not?

again, i do not mean to be an ass. i'm just looking for answers as i'm curious and want to learn as much as i can.

thanks,
George Le

Hi, Dont worry. Questions are good. you make some good ones below.

yes, it is hard to feel 5% at any level. I had a NOS 50hp system on top of every bolt on mod possible. sometimes I had to engage the wet system at idle speeds and see if it was working. if I felt a slight accel, it was on *( +50hp) so, that said, 10hp or so, is really not noticeable. You will gain .2 of a second on the drag strip, and this adds up lap after lap on a road course, but will you feel the difference in acceleration between 13.55 and 13.35 time in the quarter?? nah, will you win some races because of it?? if the races are close, yes!!

the eRAM can attache to stock intake , intake tubes or right to throttle bodies or MAF systems.

the eRAM supports power gains and mass flow increase up to engines with 300 hp flywheel. we use the 5 liter limit as a rule of thumb for most interested.

Let me know if that answers your questions.

Mk


i don't mean to critisize or anything. if your site and claims are true, then i would like some clarification on some things, if thats no problem to you.

if that 5% hp increase claim is true, then the driver of the mr-s would hardly feel any difference, if any at all. the mr-s produces 128bhp i believe? i remember reading somewhere where a magazine ran a base test and got somewhere around 120rwhp. with that 120rwhp and a 5% hp increase, there would only be a 6hp increase; if the car actually produces a 5% hp increase.

does the eram connect to most stock intake systems? if it did then wouldn't the piping size go back down to stock size? also, if one wanted a full aftermarket intake, they would have to buy another aftermarket intake and then put the eram on it instead of using the aftermarket filter, right? i'm guessing that for the eram and an aftermarket intake, it would cost over 400 at average.

now this is what i really want to know. what if a high horsepower car was equipped with a turbocharger that could flow over 1000cfm. would the eram then create a restriction or not?

again, i do not mean to be an ass. i'm just looking for answers as i'm curious and want to learn as much as i can.

thanks,
George Le

Would It be possible to build a high compression electric fan that could produce a high amount of boost? Like have a battery that would supply a large amount of juice to the fan when needed to increase the amount of spin the fan gets? For sound systems I know they have an added battery that provides more power to the amp so that the car battery doesnt get over worked.

Thanks
B.

yes, its all about how much money you have. It would be possible to drive a large centrifugal compressor in this way, but highly expensive. belt driven is the way to go. Turbo is a good way too. This is just a low cost mod that just adds to other mods you may have done. 10hp for $300 is a great value, especially when you talk about adding to whatever you have done already. think of the mod as a high performance intake that works!!

50-100amps is no problem for most all electrical systems. your current comes from the battery and is slowly recharged as you drive via the alternator. most alternators only produce 40-90amps at max current. (usually at a very low voltage on the battery, say when it is almost dead)
otherwise, this kind of power is pretty easy on the electrical system. we have used the super eRAM on a race car with a tiny 14amphr battery with no issues, even in 1hour races! IN the early days, we did use aux batteries, but we found that at the dyno, the voltage drop with the separate battery is more than the one in the system. you could use a 18 amp system separately, but is it worth the extra weight?? for 1psi of performance, the answer is no. for more, it maybe.

MK

Would It be possible to build a high compression electric fan that could produce a high amount of boost? Like have a battery that would supply a large amount of juice to the fan when needed to increase the amount of spin the fan gets? For sound systems I know they have an added battery that provides more power to the amp so that the car battery doesnt get over worked.

Thanks
B.

Hi, Dont worry. Questions are good. you make some good ones below.

yes, it is hard to feel 5% at any level. I had a NOS 50hp system on top of every bolt on mod possible. sometimes I had to engage the wet system at idle speeds and see if it was working. if I felt a slight accel, it was on *( +50hp) so, that said, 10hp or so, is really not noticeable. You will gain .2 of a second on the drag strip, and this adds up lap after lap on a road course, but will you feel the difference in acceleration between 13.55 and 13.35 time in the quarter?? nah, will you win some races because of it?? if the races are close, yes!!

the eRAM can attache to stock intake , intake tubes or right to throttle bodies or MAF systems.

the eRAM supports power gains and mass flow increase up to engines with 300 hp flywheel. we use the 5 liter limit as a rule of thumb for most interested.

Let me know if that answers your questions.

Mk


thanks, that's just what i was looking for.

We tested many and found that there are only 2 that work, one we sell, one we don't. Basically what it comes down to is that "yes the majority of them are junk". You can pay a price range of $14-$250 for what you can pick up at any boating supply store.
Find out about Manufacturers Warranty, if theres none then it's junk!
Find out what the fans are made of, if it's plastic then it's junk!
Now I'm sure by now you want to know what we found that actually works
1) the electric turbo (yes this is the one we carry)
check it out at www.cargodzcc.com
2) the Thomas Knight Turbo (we don't carry it because we think it cost to much $1995.00 and you still have to buy more stuff to run it)
check it out at www.boosthead.com

The eRAM is made of a glass plastic delrin composite. It has the same composition as the housing. it is done that way for less heat transfer and light weight. It also is a 750+ watt device now. As Ive said before, it takes power to make power. we are using 56amps now, and if you are not using that much, you probably will not be seeing any real effects. we how many "electric turbos" are used on real race cars. as far as I know, the eRAM is the only one used in SCCA PRO and Club racing as well as NASA events.

Tomas Knight turbos will work. Its for drag racing only, and basically a replament for NOS, though more complicated to install.

the eRAM is a low cost 5-10hp gainer that does work on most cars.

25,500 rpm, 56amps@14volts, and 3.5lbs of thrust (mass flow)

MK

We tested many and found that there are only 2 that work, one we sell, one we don't. Basically what it comes down to is that "yes the majority of them are junk". You can pay a price range of $14-$250 for what you can pick up at any boating supply store.
Find out about Manufacturers Warranty, if theres none then it's junk!
Find out what the fans are made of, if it's plastic then it's junk!
Now I'm sure by now you want to know what we found that actually works
1) the electric turbo (yes this is the one we carry)
check it out at www.cargodzcc.com
2) the Thomas Knight Turbo (we don't carry it because we think it cost to much $1995.00 and you still have to buy more stuff to run it)
check it out at www.boosthead.com

Sorry to disappoint you, but I tryed the eRam on multiple applications and we saw no more than a 5hp increase with it turned on and lost 3hp with it turned off. Where as with the electric turbo single unit when we tryed it we got no less than 15hp on our weakest application, that's why we decided to sell them. Now on to your point of any of them being uesd by race teams, you do realize that if you were to be one of the sponsers of a race team they would have to use what you tell them to.
Also all the physics in the books doesn't do justice to real life application and that I am sure is what everyone is interested in. You can make anything look great on paper with the right equasions.


The eRAM is made of a glass plastic delrin composite. It has the same composition as the housing. it is done that way for less heat transfer and light weight. It also is a 750+ watt device now. As Ive said before, it takes power to make power. we are using 56amps now, and if you are not using that much, you probably will not be seeing any real effects. we how many "electric turbos" are used on real race cars. as far as I know, the eRAM is the only one used in SCCA PRO and Club racing as well as NASA events.

Tomas Knight turbos will work. Its for drag racing only, and basically a replament for NOS, though more complicated to install.

the eRAM is a low cost 5-10hp gainer that does work on most cars.

25,500 rpm, 56amps@14volts, and 3.5lbs of thrust (mass flow)

MK

multiple applications?? really. Would love to see the dyno runs and conditions. Sure, equations are part of the big picture, and Im not saying that the electricturbo cant work, I would just like to see the equations that say that it COULD. right now, in talking with the person who makes it, and seeing the motor used. 15amps and 14 volts is around 50% of the power of the eRAM. to say that the eRAM didnt work and the electric turbo did, immediately sounds fishy. it takes power to make pressure at a given air flow. I would love to see how 2-3 psi can be generated by a 300watt device. its bending the physics a little much
Also, the electric turbo was said to make 3-4psi in series, and 1800cfm.
when, clearly, this is against all centrifugal fan theory. series produces double the pressure and the same air flow, , parallel doubles the flow and keeps the pressure the same. (could be semantics here)

Post a test where an eRAM didnt work and the turbocharger did work.
I dont think you have them! Im calling your bluff

we have others on our race sponsorship program that have seen the results. yes, 5hp to 10hp is a common results in dyno testing.

Mk

Sorry to disappoint you, but I tryed the eRam on multiple applications and we saw no more than a 5hp increase with it turned on and lost 3hp with it turned off. Where as with the electric turbo single unit when we tryed it we got no less than 15hp on our weakest application, that's why we decided to sell them. Now on to your point of any of them being uesd by race teams, you do realize that if you were to be one of the sponsers of a race team they would have to use what you tell them to.
Also all the physics in the books doesn't do justice to real life application and that I am sure is what everyone is interested in. You can make anything look great on paper with the right equasions.

I am not trying to start any big debate because that doesn't do anyone any good I am just relaying our findings on the topic, too many people have gotten into too big of fights over these things. If you want 5hp at the price Eram offers it at, be my guest. If you are talking with the manufacturer of the Electric Turbo then he can give you all the answers you need (make sure you tell Lee that I said "Hi."). :smile:


multiple applications?? really. Would love to see the dyno runs and conditions. Sure, equations are part of the big picture, and Im not saying that the electricturbo cant work, I would just like to see the equations that say that it COULD. right now, in talking with the person who makes it, and seeing the motor used. 15amps and 14 volts is around 50% of the power of the eRAM. to say that the eRAM didnt work and the electric turbo did, immediately sounds fishy. it takes power to make pressure at a given air flow. I would love to see how 2-3 psi can be generated by a 300watt device. its bending the physics a little much
Also, the electric turbo was said to make 3-4psi in series, and 1800cfm.
when, clearly, this is against all centrifugal fan theory. series produces double the pressure and the same air flow, , parallel doubles the flow and keeps the pressure the same. (could be semantics here)

Post a test where an eRAM didnt work and the turbocharger did work.
I dont think you have them! Im calling your bluff

we have others on our race sponsorship program that have seen the results. yes, 5hp to 10hp is a common results in dyno testing.

Mk

hey, no debate needed. you brought up dyno runs or tests. I just wanted to see them. I you dont have them, then maybe they didnt happen. yes, the eRAM is good for 5-10hp. I have yet to see any real dyno runs of the electric turbo. post them or send them to me, Id love to see them.

you can see ours at : www.electricsupercharger.com

Mk

I am not trying to start any big debate because that doesn't do anyone any good I am just relaying our findings on the topic, too many people have gotten into too big of fights over these things. If you want 5hp at the price Eram offers it at, be my guest. If you are talking with the manufacturer of the Electric Turbo then he can give you all the answers you need (make sure you tell Lee that I said "Hi."). :smile:

So you want to see a Dyno well now we got it! We tested the Electric Turbo on a 1994 Buick Regal 3.8ltr V6 with over 244,000 miles on it and got a 25.9Hp increase and an increase of 13.9lbs per foot of torque. Debate settled! :lol:

See the Dyno Sheet at: www.cargodzcc.com


hey, no debate needed. you brought up dyno runs or tests. I just wanted to see them. I you dont have them, then maybe they didnt happen. yes, the eRAM is good for 5-10hp. I have yet to see any real dyno runs of the electric turbo. post them or send them to me, Id love to see them.



Mk