Why would you want to buy an NSX (Seriously)

Hi, I am asking this in the most sincere way possible. Why would you want to buy an NSX? The 2004 model is about $90,000 before taxes etc. and it offers a mere 210lb of torque which you could get from a car that costs 20k. And at $90,000 you have a huge amount of choices of cars to get. I even think the '30 Dodge Viper at 400+ lb of torque is at 79k.

Now remember I'm not out to put down the NSX, I just want to know why you would choose it over the many other choices like a viper or a porsche or a used lamborghini, BMW or Mercedez-Benz. Or even a new Subuaru Impreza.

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(starts out hostile, but becomes a decent discussion on the same point. Some input from NSX owners, too...)

the nsx might not be that powerful, or that exotic...but just because it doesnt have a lot of hp doesnt mean it isnt that fast...a viper may have 400hp but it is heavier and it does it buy pure power...the nsx on the other hand has a lot of technology put into it...the capabuilities of the nsx are huge and the reliabuility is what you would expect from honda...

something to think about
nsx-r: 1/4 mi 12.8
new viper: 1/4 mi 12.37

dont forget that the new viper has a 500hp v10 while the nsx has a 290hp v6...is hp everything? definatly not

Take an NSX around a hair-pin turn going 70MPH and then you'll understand......

I have an NSX....and this car is absolutely a dream to drive...I haven't driven other exotics, but I have talked to a lot of other people who have, and it seems like a lot of them always come back to the NSX because they loved it so much....

The reasons that I own an NSX...........
1) The sheer beauty of it: When my car goes by most eyes are on it, the car makes a statement.
2) Nothing to prove: The car is fast.... I don't have to prove it, it is a fact, you can get 50 in first gear. (not as fast as a viper, but I have comfort, see below)
3) Comfort: I have driven from Chicago to Nashville in comfort, not quite like a caddy but you aren't begging to get out of it like a Viper or an older Vette (still love older Vettes though)
4) Dependability: When it is all said and done it is still a honda, that cuts both ways of course, but it will always start, It will always run and it will last a loooooog time. I understand that there is an nsx in the club with 275,000 miles without a rebuild. Not sure how well it is running quite honestly, but glad someone is getting their moneys worth. (as for the sword cutting the other way...it is still ONLY a honda. But it is the best they make).
5) Handling: The car drives so well that it will make you believe that you are a better driver than you are. (this too is a double edge sword).The car corners so well that your control even at higher speeds is all but absolte.
Above are the reasons that I own an NSX, it does everything very well but it is never quite at the top of the class, except in handling. on a race course it is one second behind a ZO-6 with the same driver, same track. (not bad for a 6, eh?). It is (IMHO) much nicer looking than a vette. Also, I didn't want to be "just another Vette".
(yes, I expect flames)

I honestly couldnt justify to spend that much money on a car that doesnt put out that great of numbers. Id personally buy 3 Lancer Evolutions , Bmw 7 series, Dodge Viper, used ferrari, used lamborghini. Im just saying if you have 100k to spend why not go and get a ridiculous exotic car that would stand out ridiculously. Honda = reliability and if people dont know that , they should be shot . But when your average idiot sees an NSX they think its pretty but they notice its a honda and they dont seem to "impressed" Id rather buy a lamborghini or ferrrari to sport the name, power and unique styling. and hell. Id own a ferrari !

I honestly couldnt justify to spend that much money on a car that doesnt put out that great of numbers. Id personally buy 3 Lancer Evolutions , Bmw 7 series, Dodge Viper, used ferrari, used lamborghini. Im just saying if you have 100k to spend why not go and get a ridiculous exotic car that would stand out ridiculously. But when your average idiot sees an NSX they think its pretty but they notice its a honda and they dont seem to "impressed" Id rather buy a lamborghini or ferrrari to sport the name, power and unique styling. and hell. Id own a ferrari !
I have a niece who owns a shop that does work only for high-end cars. On a recent occassion they told me about a clutch for a Ferrari (308gts) The clutch plate and pressure plate from Ferrari were $7000. The throwout bearing was part of another part so you have to buy the whole thing....Another $7000. the flywheel is more, but they sent that out to a machine shop to be reworked versus buying a new one. When it was all said and done the owner put out $20,000 for a clutch! (and you want a Ferrari?) BTW...An NSX beats a Ferrari F-355 ( Stock vs stock).
One other fine point about Ferrari.....Unreliable! The new ones are better and will run 80% of the time you put the key in. ( Lamborghini's numbers are not quite that good)
The EVO (and WRX as long as we're at it) are incredible as far as speed, Truly! But the turbos and motors burn up after less than 50k, Yes, you can rebuild and replace (and much cheeper than the nsx). But if speed is all you want, you're in the wrong forum. ( Do those cars have style? )
As for the Viper....Hehehehe...(this is my FAVORITE car to pick on!)
The speed is incredible! I bow before it in that department! Of course, it has to use the Biggest lowtech engine made in America ( nope, not slamming the country, I love it here!) Motor Trend did an artical on them a few years ago. One of the things mentioned, but glossed over is the fact that Dodge had to send 2 cars to do an evaluation. ( they pitted it against several other cars, one of them the ZO-6). With the first car they blew the water pump right off the front of the motor! (COOL!) The Viper is only good in a straight line, and its a Rumble buggy.
I was parked at a Dodge dealership and all the salesmen came out to look at my car!
Ok ok, end of rant! I did alot of looking before buying the NSX, I could have bought a ZO-6 for value but just not Crazy about the car (and I get 21% off the price because someone in my family works for GM). IMHO A used NSX was a better value than the Vette. I have about 50K in it, for another 10K you can buy a comtech supercharger and play with the Vipers.....still debating!

see .. first person . Good job man. You responded with intellegence. I earlier stated how i felt and you responded with facts and intellegence. IM glad to actually talk to you. Rather than respond with "f*ck you , yoru stupid!!! NSXXXXs rule DOMESTIC SUCKS. GO HONDA." lol.

Only thing tho, Turbo cars dont burn up like you might think. the turbo cars that burn up are Hondas that people turbo. My gsx was made for a turbo thus incredibly strong pistons and the fuel to match up. Most people who turbo hondas dont even buy the supporting fuel mods and new pistons , thus there car will die soon. As for the rest of the stuff you said, great job on responding . this was a first in the forum world that someone doesnt flame back.

Only thing tho, Turbo cars dont burn up like you might think. the turbo cars that burn up are Hondas that people turbo. My gsx was made for a turbo thus incredibly strong pistons and the fuel to match up.

Only going by first hand experiance. A friend of mine had a Sunbird Turbo from the factory. Inside the warrentee period (36K) he had GM replace the turbo twice and the motor once, admittedy, he was VERY hard on the car.
Another guy had a 3000GT VR4 and had the turbo go out on it @ 62,000.
No intention of flames here, seems childish.
BTW..this is the first time you mentioned that your car is a GSX, you mention mods, but not the car.


98 Acura NSX, Spa yellow pearl
97 Acura 3.2 TL
90 Acura Integra
91 Honda Accord

Yea i have a 98 mitsu GSX with the mods that are in my SIG. Its pretty fast for what it is. In the dsm world ive read aalot of people @ 130-140k miles with original turbo. Maybe the Garret and Mitsu turbos last longer than the ones that GM uses?? dont really have an answer with facts to back it up tho.

I can give u a list of a fiew cars that are alot better buy!
RSX S
WRX,STI
S2000
AUDI s4
BMW M3
RX-8
EVO 8
350z
All of these are alot less on price, and with a little money alot more fun to race, an show!

I much agree.

NSX is a different kind or car for a different kind of people.....simple as that....once u drive and own it ....u'll know what they are talking about....enjoying a car isn't about the price or the #'s it puts out....itz about the sheer experience of the drive

Oh i completely understand what your saying also. Its just previous people have been stating that its an ultimate car which its not, because cars at an easy 1/4 of the price will smoke it in a race.

I can give u a list of a fiew cars that are alot better buy!
RSX S
WRX,STI
S2000
AUDI s4
BMW M3
RX-8
EVO 8
350z
All of these are alot less on price, and with a little money alot more fun to race, an show!

{sigh}
Here we go again, Put a turbo in a box and its cool!
Never mind the speed, Look at the Evo vs the NSX, Is it more cool?
How about the WRX, does it LOOK cool? (gag) At least the evo has Some style. Pull the turbo out of either car and it can't get out of its own way. There is a 2 liter engine in an EVO! (cool)
RSX is a Cute car, not cool, but cute. I'll give slightly better marks for the S2000 (would have bought one if I fit in it, Required the jaws of life to get back out of it, so never even got to test drive it) The only other problem that I have with the S2000 is that it has to rev too high to hold a decent speed ( But I still think its cute ) not faster than the NSX either.
I was in a nissan dealership And the dealer was talking $hit. Said that the 350z would beat any Jap non-turbo made today I told him I beg to differ. The conversation became heated And I told him that I would Race my stock 6 cyl against his 350z for titles He was saying DONE! But his boss said, wait a minute. What king of car is it? I told him An NSX. ( the snotty dealer said that he never heard of it ) His boss told him forget it, that if he (the boss ) had not been there that the young salesman would be working for a long time without a paycheck. I told the guy that the offer is still good anytime. (it's close, but I'd still win).
That said, I like the Z, if I didn't have the bucks to shell out on the NSX it would be a choice I might make.
RX-8: This is a really cute car! I have admired a couple on the streets in Chicago. The qualms that I have are with Mazda in general not the RX-8. Mazda does not build a quality automobile, They ARE getting better but have not yet arrived. The RX-7 build quality was pretty good other than you can't get a Wankle engine to start on a cold winters morning. That aside, the idea of a rotory engine is a good one. So much horse power is lost trying to get the power of pistons going up and down to transfer to the crankshaft and making it move in its circular pattern. The rotory engine does this without losing ANYTHING because its already going in circles. The RX-8 is still new and untested over time. Is it a cool car? YES, It is. put it next to the NSX and tell me that the RX-8 is cooler, can you?
The BMW and Audi probably have the best build quality of the bunch.
( I will give high marks to the S2000, the Z, and the RSX, but these are better) These ARE nice cars, but put up against the NSX for top speed and handling they fall short. (not to mention appearance)!
In Short, Cheaper? Yes! all the above cars are that. If the NSX was mass produced instead of hand made, it might be cheaper. ( to me, that would remove some of the novelty of the car ) I can say that indeed some of those cars are faster, but the NSX will still be in my garage long after you have replaced your second turbo, or grown weary of your EVO of WRX.
Peace

:screwy:

1996 Acura NSX-T 14.3 1/4 mile (50k USED)
2003 Nissan 350z 14.0 1/4 mile (26k NEW)

I accept the fact that the NSX is unique, but man when a Z stock can beat it, NEW and its half the price. I could never justify buying an NSX.

We have been around this block already. But if you actually Drove the NSX for the day, Then the Z, I already know the answer you'd come up with. More than a year after purchase I Still get excited getting into that car. ( Everything else I have ever owned the excitement wore off after a month ) The car is fast enough, there is no lag, and I get 50 mph in first gear.
(off topic) In case you hadn't noticed there is a BIG housepower war going on. Pontaic GTO is comming out with 300 hp ( and it's a $hit car)......For the money it should be better built. GM has just announced that Pontiacs are no longer going to be racing along side of Chevy. They are pulling the GTP's out of racing, and have no intention of racing the GTO (for the near future anyways). Its a shame.
(further off topic).....
I Love America, We are one of the youngest countries of the world and the Greastest country in the free world. We are also the innovators of the free world! That said, How come we no longer build the best mass produced car in the world? We did right up through the 1980's! Sure, we car build a car thats fast, But it brings a tear to my eye to look at the Consumer Reports Buying guide. In the Worst Used Car guide in the top 28 cars All but 4 are made in America. They Then go on by make and model. No acuras made the list, No Toyotas and just one Honda (passport). WE can do better! WE SHOULD do better! It should be a matter of national pride! We taught the japanese how to build a better car, We KNOW how to do it! So, Why aren't we? It is not the auto workers, many of these Japanese cars are now made HERE! What do we do? We send much our work Elseware! The Buick Rendezvos is entirely made in Mexico! When the American automaker Starts building better cars, I will start buying them. Sadly, I own 4 Honda products.....I'd rather buy American, But show me you care first.
( He kicks his soapbox aside ).

:screwy:

1996 Acura NSX-T 14.3 1/4 mile (50k USED)
2003 Nissan 350z 14.0 1/4 mile (26k NEW)

I accept the fact that the NSX is unique, but man when a Z stock can beat it, NEW and its half the price. I could never justify buying an NSX.
I have a 98 which has a bigger motor (It Does beat the Z )

the nxs-r is something too... a group of people took it out to the track and compaired the times... it was almost 2 seconds faster than the 575 and a half a second faster than a 360 ferrari... keep in mid it was the same driver on the same WET ground... rather have a ferrari? ill take the nsx-r which is about 110,000 (yeah its a lot but about half the price of the 360)

The point is that the nsx was not meant to be a drag racing car... its handling is meant for the track... i have loved it ever since my friend took me in one n drove 75 down a mountain

man, yellownsx couldnt have said it better.

If some of you jus want speed, why even buy a car? Just get a sport bike. Those freakin fly. I agree though. The NSX is badass, plain and simple.

By the way Take one NEW civic
Add $10,000 in mods
you have a 9.4 second car
Why buy anything else?

Why the fuck would anyone spend 7k for a flywheel? Or a clutch? I love CRXs and if I put 7k in a CRX HF you could be damn sure that after I got a B18C5 with I/H/E that I would be running mid-low 13s! And I would have even started to reach the price of anything weve discussed or the potential of the engine I just put in.

By the way Take one NEW civic
Add $10,000 in mods
you have a 9.4 second car
Why buy anything else?

You must mean the B16A2 Civic Si cause no way a damn D16 SOHC is going to run 9s with only 10k in it. Frankly No matter what you do to a SOHC D16 you arent going to get to mid 9s without replacing the:
Pistons
Heads
Head Gaskets
Block
Cams
Camshaft
Cam Gears
Plugs
Flywheel
ECU
Bore/Stroke
Clutch
Intake
Intake Manifold
Excaust
Cat
Headers
Radiator
Crankshaft
Pulleys
Transmission
Suspension
Wheels
Tires
Plugs
Ignition System
Injectors
and anything else I missed....

[QUOTE=tupacglock]You must mean the B16A2 Civic Si

Yes, should have mentioned that, of course its the Si

The NSX is like a ferrari, sexy looking bastard that can go fast.
You want really fast on a straight line, go with HB or a v8 mustang and mod the shit out of them. Its like arriving in a casino with a 13 sec NSX or with a 11 second civic, ill go with the NSX.

Nsx is over priced in the end IMO

Hi, I am asking this in the most sincere way possible. Why would you want to buy an NSX? The 2004 model is about $90,000 before taxes etc. and it offers a mere 210lb of torque which you could get from a car that costs 20k. And at $90,000 you have a huge amount of choices of cars to get. I even think the '30 Dodge Viper at 400+ lb of torque is at 79k.

Now remember I'm not out to put down the NSX, I just want to know why you would choose it over the many other choices like a viper or a porsche or a used lamborghini, BMW or Mercedez-Benz. Or even a new Subuaru Impreza.


Hi there. You are comparing too wide a range of cars here. Lambo's and Subaru's as alternatives?? Come on..they are not even in the same category for most serious NSX buyers. We need to stay focused.

I am an NSX owner, but not a crazed one. I recognize that the car is way overdue for an update, and not really worth spending $90,000 on a new one when you can get a used one for half of that that looks that same and performs the same. But what you need to understand is that the NSX is quite simply a car that is for a select group of people. Sure, there are cars costing $25,000 that can out accelerate it. Sure, a new Porsche can be had for that much and you can impress your friends by bragging that you bought a new Porsche, but that is not the point of the NSX. The NSX is a car for a select group of people that want to own a car that revolutionized the automotive world when it came out, and caused Porsche, Ferrari, and the like to finally take notice of the fact that the Japanese can build a supercar if they want to that can beat the best from Europe, and be reliable and affordable to maintain.

Do not let yourself get caught up in straight out acceleration, lateral-G, or top speed figures. Go out and drive an NSX for an entire day and then tell me what you think. Because until you do, you have not experienced what an NSX is about. It is not the fastest. It is not the most modern with gadgets. But it is one heck of a performance car. It may not be for you, which is fine. It definitely works for me. :)

:screwy:

1996 Acura NSX-T 14.3 1/4 mile (50k USED)
2003 Nissan 350z 14.0 1/4 mile (26k NEW)

I accept the fact that the NSX is unique, but man when a Z stock can beat it, NEW and its half the price. I could never justify buying an NSX.

Hello. While you might not be able to justify it (making the 350Z the choice for you in that comparo) lot of other people would look at that in a more fair light, and I think you should as well. Try this and let me know what you think.

1991 NSX $29k USED (same motor as the '96 NSX-T)
2003 350Z $29k NEW (the one here is actually over $32k)

So, for roughly the same money, which would you take? The 350Z or the NSX? Just think about it for a bit. You still may take the 350Z, but I for one would enjoy the NSX experience more. :D

I honestly couldnt justify to spend that much money on a car that doesnt put out that great of numbers. Id personally buy 3 Lancer Evolutions , Bmw 7 series, Dodge Viper, used ferrari, used lamborghini. Im just saying if you have 100k to spend why not go and get a ridiculous exotic car that would stand out ridiculously. Honda = reliability and if people dont know that , they should be shot . But when your average idiot sees an NSX they think its pretty but they notice its a honda and they dont seem to "impressed" Id rather buy a lamborghini or ferrrari to sport the name, power and unique styling. and hell. Id own a ferrari !

Quite simply because not everyone cares about impressing people. If you do, that is fine, to each his own. But there are a lot of people (like myself) that just like cars for the way they drive and the way it feels to drive and own a car like the NSX.

By the way, the Lancer Evolutions are very capable cars. I owned one for a couple of months....then bought another NSX. :D

Oh i completely understand what your saying also. Its just previous people have been stating that its an ultimate car which its not, because cars at an easy 1/4 of the price will smoke it in a race.

You are correct...it is not the ultimate car, but it sure is fun. If you are even in Indiana come on over and we will go for a drive so you can see what I mean. That is the only way to really appreciate what the NSX is all about.

I mean, seeing is believeing and i have never personaly drove an NSX. I didnt believe the capabilites of AWD till I bought my GSX. So i take your word for what the NSX is. Maybe if i was relatively wealthy I would own one. But i see the 350z for example at 29k-32k A new car with no possible problems. While owning a 91 has some age and I wouldnt have the money to fix it anywhere soon. It is still a honda, yet age effects all parts.

a guy over here is sellin his NSX for $14k....i briefly thought about it....then thought about the 3 car seats that would have to go in it :lol:

a guy over here is sellin his NSX for $14k....i briefly thought about it....then thought about the 3 car seats that would have to go in it :lol:

Where is this and what are the details on the car? I would love to add another. :D

not sure if itz sold yet.....

http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32583

Originally posted by NSeXy
Selling my 92 NSX. Black exterior with tan interior and manual transmission. Both the interior and exterior are in good shape. The engine has 115,000 miles on it and still runs like new. Asking 14,500 but willing to negotiate, need to sell because I am moving over seas.

By the way Take one NEW civic
Add $10,000 in mods
you have a 9.4 second car
Why buy anything else?

Civic's front drive. Not everyone likes front drive. Besides that, 9 sec. front drivers are undrivable on the street. (and to be fair most 9 sec rear drivers too). I live in Canada and we get a lot of snow. Prefer rear drive in snow. Ok, just my opinion.

I like the NSX even though generally, I'm not hugely into japanese cars. It's about balance. I may like Ferrari and Lambo too, but I feel that cars are about driving them and the NSX at least will start and go without requiring a ride along mechanic.

I also work a lot around places that work on higher end stuff and get sick of their attitudes. Just fix the F'n thing and shut up!!

I've worked a lot around Mercedes dealerships and find the Service and Parts departments intolerable. They have some of the worst customer service I've ever seen. Slow and just plain indifferent people working there.

This is enough reason for me NOT to buy their product. If I wanted to be treated like shit I'd have stayed with my first wife!! HAHA :icon16:

I seriously doubt that yellownsx has the balls to drive a 300+ HP FWD civic. High HP FWD cars are very hard to drive, on top of that lets see you design a street drivable 9 second civic. There isnt really a point where a car becomes not street legal because of speed, otherwise you would never see a 1300 Hayabusa on the road now would you? Or some of the mroe famous supercars: CLK GTR, McLaren F1 and LM, F40, F50, XJR-15, Lotus GT1, Camaro ZL-1, Diablo SVTT, C5-R, Enzo, GT40 and GT90.....the list goes on....all stock at 10 seconds or less in the 1/4 and street drivable......Look at the though.....to make the kind of HP to push a civic to 9 seconds on DOT aproved rubebr you would need a ton of compression into the 4 or 6 cyl you cram into the civic.....more compression means you need higher octane gas.....most likely something to the tune of 120 octane race gas....making it not street legal.... 3.2 liters of displacement, a ton of body cutting, and you ahve to keep the honda block and heads.....I will actully mail you 5 dollars if for 10000 dollars you can design a civic that would theoretically be street legal in at least 40 states. No Joke...... has to be a pre 1992 civic though. It can be a CRX, remember weight helps, but you gotta say what ur gonna remove or move to a diff location. I might want to remind you that 1991 and earlier civics dont have power steering and an H22 is considered 2 heavy for street because its 150 lbs heavier. Have fun.....its not possible.

Who prefers rear dirve in snow? Thats why you can barely find STi's in florida but youll see 5 of em a day in NYC in the winter. AWD!

Who prefers rear dirve in snow? Thats why you can barely find STi's in florida but youll see 5 of em a day in NYC in the winter. AWD!

AWD is good too but here in Toronto we don't really get any snow and I like to "hang the tail out". Front drive is a problem for me because I tend to rip up CV boots blasting through snowdrifts/banks. Toronto's clogged with SUVs with crappy tires on them. Anyways, off topic I know.

As for the NSX question, I would consider an NSX a Ferrari without the reliability issues. I'd hardly consider a Civic an alternative to a Ferrari!!! Not to knock the civic, but it's each to his own. If we "carguys" spend so much time on petty bickering among ourselves we may wake up one day to find the anti-car people have banned all our fun.

Civic's are cool too. I just find too many that look the same to be different. Here there's all kinds of them in the Trader with wild body kits, rims, sound, etc. but have NO ENGINE MODS!!! Maybe a fartpipe, OOOOHHHH, BIG DEAL! I laugh when I pull up to something with a HUUUUUGE wing on it and I can blow it away in the parts truck, with a SIX!!! THAT's why certain other branches of the car world make so much fun of "ricers". Some guy boasts about "all the engine" work and STILL only pulls 16's or 15's. HAHAHAAA.

I'd rather see one like one of my customers just did, 4 door civic, lowered but steel rims, Acura swap. HAHAHAAA.Now THAT's fun!!

I see a lot of cars with big wings and NOTHING else. Not even rims. YUCK!! I realize that some of these are because of warranty's etc, but why do the look if you can't back it up? I do also admit that this is more a Canadian thing as I understand that a lot of the cars South of the border do have the power to back it up. Here it's more about a Sheep in wolves clothing.

Peace everyone, have fun. :evillol:

I seriously doubt that yellownsx has the balls to drive a 300+ HP FWD civic. High HP FWD cars are very hard to drive, on top of that lets see you design a street drivable 9 second civic. There isnt really a point where a car becomes not street legal because of speed, otherwise you would never see a 1300 Hayabusa on the road now would you? Or some of the mroe famous supercars: CLK GTR, McLaren F1 and LM, F40, F50, XJR-15, Lotus GT1, Camaro ZL-1, Diablo SVTT, C5-R, Enzo, GT40 and GT90.....the list goes on....all stock at 10 seconds or less in the 1/4 and street drivable......Look at the though.....to make the kind of HP to push a civic to 9 seconds on DOT aproved rubebr you would need a ton of compression into the 4 or 6 cyl you cram into the civic.....more compression means you need higher octane gas.....most likely something to the tune of 120 octane race gas....making it not street legal.... 3.2 liters of displacement, a ton of body cutting, and you ahve to keep the honda block and heads.....I will actully mail you 5 dollars if for 10000 dollars you can design a civic that would theoretically be street legal in at least 40 states. No Joke...... has to be a pre 1992 civic though. It can be a CRX, remember weight helps, but you gotta say what ur gonna remove or move to a diff location. I might want to remind you that 1991 and earlier civics dont have power steering and an H22 is considered 2 heavy for street because its 150 lbs heavier. Have fun.....its not possible.

Who prefers rear dirve in snow? Thats why you can barely find STi's in florida but youll see 5 of em a day in NYC in the winter. AWD!

in SCCA club racing my dad and grandpa both race CRXs we converted to RWD, currently the min weight on both cars is about 1950 with the three valve 1500cc or 2000 with the d16a6 4 valve destroked to 1500cc, the d16a6 is 40dcoe dual weber carbed, and the 3valve is an fi system we made, maybe i can get pics up next week... both cars have custom bell housings mated to adapter plates, and the gearboxes are dogboxes built in an originally-alfa case

nsx is much better then any of those above mentioned cars, considering the c5-r, gt90 were never produced for street, there are about 20 remaining original gt40s around the world, the f1's are never driven and they overheat literally within five to ten miles, the f40 and f50 are extremely rare and you had to own BOTH at one time to buy an Enzo, also camaro zl-1... are you serious? that things handles and looks about as good as a school bus... and i have no opinion towards a diablo svtt. the point is, the NSX is the only true luxury supercar that can do it all. can you go on long trips in a vette, viper, ferarri, etc? the NSX is an automotive masterpiece, and the only flaw is, agreeably, the very torqueless 3/3.2 v6 depending on years, which by now should have been and will be upgraded for when the hsc goes production

Above are the reasons that I own an NSX, it does everything very well but it is never quite at the top of the class, except in handling. on a race course it is one second behind a ZO-6 with the same driver, same track. (not bad for a 6, eh?). It is (IMHO) much nicer looking than a vette. Also, I didn't want to be "just another Vette".
(yes, I expect flames)

NSXs are fantastic, but do you think they are as timeless as a Corvette? Looking 30-40 years down the road, Corvettes have proven their worth.
I haven't seen a forty year old Honda yet.

-slacker

C32B > LS6

I dont wanna hear why it isnt.
121.875 HP per L > 71.228 per L

Also you might want to change your sig to say 405 flywheel pounding horsepower

People don't buy Vipers for their comfort... They buy them for their visceral appeal, not for practibility. I always liked the NSX for its styling but when you factor in the price I just don't think it adds up... Just my opinion...

NSXs are fantastic, but do you think they are as timeless as a Corvette? Looking 30-40 years down the road, Corvettes have proven their worth.
I haven't seen a forty year old Honda yet.

-slacker

Are you aware that in the early years Chevy almost discontinued the Corvette? Last year it was the ONLY convertible in the GM line!

You must mean the B16A2 Civic Si cause no way a damn D16 SOHC is going to run 9s with only 10k in it. Frankly No matter what you do to a SOHC D16 you arent going to get to mid 9s without replacing the:
Pistons
Heads
Head Gaskets
Block
Cams
Camshaft
Cam Gears
Plugs
Flywheel
ECU
Bore/Stroke
Clutch
Intake
Intake Manifold
Excaust
Cat
Headers
Radiator
Crankshaft
Pulleys
Transmission
Suspension
Wheels
Tires
Plugs
Ignition System
Injectors
and anything else I missed....

The new Civic Si's have the K20A2 motor, not a d16. Still, I doubt that a mere $10,000 could make an Si run 9's.

Are you aware that in the early years Chevy almost discontinued the Corvette? Last year it was the ONLY convertible in the GM line!

Oh yeah, but over the years, the Vettes are proving their worth. I guess I also want an investment.

-slacker

Oh yeah, but over the years, the Vettes are proving their worth. I guess I also want an investment.

-slacker

Corvette ZO-6? Bad investment!!! Don't believe me? Remember the ZR-1? Chevy dealers in some cases were getting over $70k for it ( and you think an NSX is a bad investment?) How much is that ZR-1 worth today! Those owners got RAPED! And if you own a Current ZO-6 what is it going to be worth in a year when the FASTER ZO-6 comes out! EVEN the C6 comimg out in a few months is F-a-s-t-e-r than the current ZO-6. By the way, you want an investment? buy a 2004 Vette and hold on to it for 20 years. Very limited production!

Corvette ZO-6? Bad investment!!! Don't believe me? Remember the ZR-1? Chevy dealers in some cases were getting over $70k for it ( and you think an NSX is a bad investment?) How much is that ZR-1 worth today! Those owners got RAPED! And if you own a Current ZO-6 what is it going to be worth in a year when the FASTER ZO-6 comes out! EVEN the C6 comimg out in a few months is F-a-s-t-e-r than the current ZO-6. By the way, you want an investment? buy a 2004 Vette and hold on to it for 20 years. Very limited production!

My Z06 is worth more today than when I bought it, of course I'm not rolling the miles on it either. I've had it a year and it has 3200 miles on it. On the collector market, mine may drop some, that's to be expected, but in the end, it should hold my money together and for half the price of an NSX.

I just haven't seen a Honda collector car yet.

-slacker

I take it none of you have seen how well the NSX holds its value. It does better then most cars can dream of doing.

Not to beleager the point. But speed isn't everything and there is always another combination for the same money that can/will be faster. At some point you will say to yourself, this is the style I want for the speed I can get for the money I have.

My wife and I are seriously looking at getting an NSX - maybe not before summer is nearly over, but once we have our next house purchased, its what we're going after. I'd rather have that then any Viper or ZO6 which are going to be faster but not be what I want to put my money in.

I'll keep my VR4s (with all the nice goodies) for the speed. The next one is for style points.













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My Z06 is worth more today than when I bought it, of course I'm not rolling the miles on it either. I've had it a year and it has 3200 miles on it. On the collector market, mine may drop some, that's to be expected, but in the end, it should hold my money together and for half the price of an NSX.

I just haven't seen a Honda collector car yet.

-slacker

I could have bought that car for 18% below sticker but really didn't want it ( My brother in law works for GM--- I get the discount )
As I have said in MANY previous post..... Didn't want to be "Just another Vette". However, Glad that there are people out there buying the cars. There are always lots of used ones for sale in the Chicago area, for instance, I know of a 1978 for sale, 88K miles, lots of work redone including paint,......Asking $10,000 They are nice cars, really! But I LOVE my X!
By the way ZO-6 vs NSX, both cars stock, same professional driver, same track, you win by ONE SECOND! Tell me again how fast a ZO-6 is when a stock six can almost catch it!

why does everyone boil this down to 1/4 slips and track times???

Becuase those are the general standards by which people measure a car's performance.

I have loved the NSX ever since I saw one. I was so excited to even just sit in it and let me tell you, it fit like a glove. I still can't wait till I own one of my own and that's even after I've driven a Corvette, EVO8, STI, S2000, and etc. I agree when some say that the NSX is just for a certain kind of people . . . it's different, it's exotic, and I hear it handles like no other.

Isn't another collector car by honda the Integra Type-R??? That holds its value very well.

I wouldnt consider the ITR to hold value considering that there are more stolen ITR's than there are Unstolen... its just not a safe car to own...

I wouldnt consider the ITR to hold value considering that there are more stolen ITR's than there are Unstolen... its just not a safe car to own...

The question posed earlier concerned the ITR's status as a "collector's car." The fact that the ITR is such a hot commodity among theives is a testament to its value, rarity, and desireability. These three factors, in my opinion, define collector cars.

Well put, but you cant have much of a collection if its driving away from your driveway while you sleep...

Well put, but you cant have much of a collection if its driving away from your driveway while you sleep...

Garage. Alarm system. Insurance. Theft is an inherent risk with any desireable car.

the nsx is just plain sexy! if you havent driven one then you really dont understand.

I find the NSX to be a VERY interesting car... I would love to experience one if I had the money. I believe the reason I'm so fascinated by this car is how fast it is, when compared to cars that have twice as much power... Handling is what I appreciate most in a car.. 1/4 mile and 0-60 times are boring to me.. :sleeping:

And regardless of the fact that it's made by Honda. I definately think of it as an exotic.. Hell, I've seen Ferrari's and lots of Porsches and a Lamborghini or two... but I've only seen ONE NSX, and I only caught a glimpse of the tail lights.. but I knew instantly what it was.. Man.. Wish I could have gotten a better view.

just for u gys that haven't seen this...shows how good the car can handle in the right hands even though it lacks high hp

http://www.norcalevo.net/video/motegibattle.wmv

just for u gys that haven't seen this...shows how good the car can handle in the right hands even though it lacks high hp

http://www.norcalevo.net/video/motegibattle.wmv


Thats great for a car that has more than 200 horse power LESS than the first two cars! Good little movie!