Civics are the best!!

ONLY if they have a DOHC motor!!!

P.S. I just wanted the first post here!

Well, I guess I get the 2nd post :)
Civics are alright IF they have the DOHC enigne, thought I still don't really like these kind of cars.
They're just too tiny, like a "toy" car.

You can do anything you want with a Civic. ANYTHING. HXMan, remember that SHO post waaay back when about a guy who saw a Civic in LA with a Jaguar V12 underhood? I'll say it again, they can do anything. And I think their small size helps the cars be adaptable, as they can be transformed into 9-second dragsters (though soon to be in the 8's - if it's not already!), nice-handling grand tourers, or flashy show cars.

That is not to say in all fairness that this can't be done with just about any car, but the Civic provides an inexpensive starting point, with a veritable world of engine, suspension, styling, and other aftermarket components, right at your fingertips. It is probably the ideal car for the restless enthusiast who loves to tinker.

Edited by: JD@af

I FUQEN HATE CIVICS, all the punks with no money drive 'em. I would buy a Sentra over a Civic any day of the week!!

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NISMO 4 EVER

haha :D

Who are you to talk nizmo??

"Punks with no money drive them."

What the phuck is that? Sentra's are cool cars, but only if it is an SE-R or, a sentra with a SER engine swap.

If you owned a honda you would know what it is all about.

i smell chicken fight :D
cmon guys, especially Nizmo, don't make statements like that.

nizmo@af

All right, rather than try to poke holes in your rather close-minded argument against the Civic, let me stick with this:

Why did you become a moderator of the Honda forum if you want to badmouth Civics? There's an old saying: you can't sell Chevies if you drive a Ford.

This is BS. Do I need to say more?

Edited by: JD@af

Listen Honda makes some really great cars, like the NSX, GSR etc.. But to say that civics are the best... "yeah that's it cool guy!!"

Civics are not the best they are "ok" cars! No offense to the SIR but the Sentra SER has and will be better!

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NISMO 4 EVER

Quote: nizmo@af ( 12:20 am on Dec. 23, 2000 )
No offense to the SIR but the Sentra SER has and will be better!
Not to get in the midst of this "debate", but please explain. It's quite a statement to make without backing it up. Also, this is coming from the guy who thinks the Si is SOHC (BMW, M models)! Maybe you should learn about the competition before making such claims.



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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

Enzo

DAMN STRAIGHT! :D

hehe... :D
i think its time for Igor to close this topic...

We'll wait to see if there is anything else that needs to be said to clear the air first...

Edited by: JD@af

ok :D
i'll wait ....... haha.
anybody?
i'll close this topic pretty soon, so if ya wanna say something, say it now. ;)

Ok fine Civic Si' aren't SOHC but most honda' are thou... and what's wrong with BMW/M ??

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Done.

yeah, there's something "cool" about kids trying to get into the 15's with a econo car! ha ha...I love going to the track & seeing 16 sec 1/4 after 16 sec 1/4 mile....yes, even with SI's..

I know it is funny seeing econo cars with small engines get in the 16's but i still respect the amount of power honda was able to pump out of the small b and h engines...I think what honda has done is awesome and yet made it affordable for young car enthusiasts like myself to be able to start building our cars and see what accomplishment we have made...Hey it keeps me off the streets...hehe

Peace

Originally posted by justin@af
I know it is funny seeing econo cars with small engines get in the 16's but i still respect the amount of power honda was able to pump out of the small b and h engines...I think what honda has done is awesome and yet made it affordable for young car enthusiasts like myself to be able to start building our cars and see what accomplishment we have made...Hey it keeps me off the streets...hehe

Peace


Does honda have anything to do with people pumping a few hundred HP's out of a Vtec? its the people who are doing it that should get respect, not Honda. yes they put out decnt engine, but they are that fast, so I give respect to the guys with 250+ hp coming out of those 1.6's!

As a true performance street car, the only thing weak link is the FWD to me.. which I also have in my Jetta but otherwise the Civic is what a performance car should be for me.. really, really compact and light :) Fast is fun but I'd rather a very nimble moderately fast car over a really fast bigger car.. well in this price range anyway :D

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Yeah but then you look at something like the H22A engine and you have about 100hp/l (i.e. Prelude) and the S2000 which makes 120hp/l out of their engine.

Originally posted by justin@af
Yeah but then you look at something like the H22A engine and you have about 100hp/l (i.e. Prelude) and the S2000 which makes 120hp/l out of their engine.

And a Viper puts out something like 53hp/L! I'll take the Viper. The fact is that displacement makes it possible to get high amounts of torque, and "hp/L" ratios mean absolutely nothing when it comes down to performance. power:weight ratios are something else...

Yes but i was pointing out the fact that Honda was able to squeeze that much out of a small engine like the 2.0 liter S2000 engine...I'm talking technology...Yes it could mean nothing but in the case of Honda i think it means alot...For a small engine and light to semi-light car the amount of torque pulled out of these things is incredible.

Woopdy doo! Lots of power out of a small engine!

"yeah, I that mustang had three carlengths on me before we got through the intersection....but, my civic's putting out like, 100 hp/L, so I think I won."

I agree that this efficiency is amazing....but in terms of performance, it really doesn't mean anything.

Yes thats another plus of the small engines...They get a good amount of power and are yet fuel efficient...Oh yeah and i wanna see a mustang v6 beat a S2000, heck bring on the SVT...If the mustang can take on a S2000 and beat it by 3 car lengths there must be something wrong with the driver. I've taken out a few mustangs in my lude and a few GT mustangs, early 90s. And while their fuel economy is not too great they are still challenged by a four banger...I'm not here to start a flame or anything but I'm just trying to say that Honda has built a race bred engine CAPABLE of doing more with mods...Why have people lost respect for small engines??

Oh yeah a civic putting out 100hp/l should not lose to a stock mustang...considering that this person has probably done extensive modding.

A stock Si will beat a stock mustang (I know from experience). A GT that cost a few thousand more than an Si will beat the Si. BUT lets take the extra 5 thousand one will spend on the GT and put that 5k into a Vortec Supercharger for the Si. That Si will be beating the GT. Which car is better? Both cars were designed for different things. The mustang for 1/4 mile speed the Si for handleing and zippiness. But if i take the Vortec and put it on the Si then the Si has all three things 1) 1/4 mile times 2) Handleing 3) Zippiness I'll take the Si. And I can compare the cars b/c I've driven an Si and regular Mustang and a GT Mustang and I've driven the Camaro Z28 SS

Oh boy...hehehe...I can feel the love in here...All I know is that at the track..autocross..I spank Stangs and Nsx's...I love getting real close to there bumper and look at their eyes...lol...Honda knows how to make engines...If Dodge made an engine as efficiant...it would puch out a little more HP out of its big engines...imagine if Honda made a V12...it would be like 1500hp!! LOL Ok...enough. I left SHO to get away from mindless bickering...but this is sweet!! PeacE!

-Dion

alright sorry if i sounded harsh anywhere...

Honda does make great engines but come one how can you compair them to Dodge?? It isn't fair. Honda makes bikes and engines etc. Dodge's only high preformance car is the Viper. And I don't think Honda will be putting a V-12 in there cars anytime soon. The new NSX has a V-8.

Ok enought s%#@ talking ...Honda's are bad ass , They dont fall apart like those piece of S%#@ detroit piss bucket :D . Imports are way better than them fords(fix or repair daily car ) If you want to take your car to the shop every week then be my guest and buy one. hahahaha . And the term for hard as a rock .....thats just a load of bullS%@# .

Enzo, you are right that a Mustang would beat a Honda off the line. However racing on city streets is irresponsible and where it count the most as on back roads, top end power is a tad more important than buckets of torque @ 2000rpm. Some of you might be very good driver but the average driver is better off in a front driver. I often can go much deeper in to a curve on a 4 lane highway than a guy in a pony car b/c of the reassuring understeer. Those guys have probably spun before so they get very tentative especially with decreasing radius curves. As far as the debate about specific output is concern, the 911 turbo has two turbos, costs $100K, puts out 115 hp/l. The $32K S2000 puts out 120 hp/l. That says something about the engineering superiority of Honda. Dodge sucks. Bought a Neon for my girlfriend b/c she thinks it's cute. She drove it for 16K miles and took it to the dealer 5 times for two different problems. One was never fixed. Traded it in for an Accord. It has 115K miles on it, no problem and looks like it can go another 100K with minimal repairs. Hondas are not exciting out of the box but on a dark night in the middle of nowhere, I rather drive a Honda than anything else.

I don't exactly hate civics but they are annoying, wher I live everyone has a modified civic. Modifying a civic is no longer original anymore. Civics are to common for me. Their are so many car people out their wasting their time on civics when their are millions of other potential cars that they could be spending their time on.

You are right Piston, too many Civics but it is about the cheapest car with a plethora of aftermarket equipment to fix up. Everything else cost more money and that makes people a bit reluctant to fix it up and end up throwing away perfectly good parts. With my Civic I am not afraid to drive fast...

Originally posted by nizmo
I FUQEN HATE CIVICS, all the punks with no money drive 'em. I would buy a Sentra over a Civic any day of the week!!

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Alright you dumb ass i know that civics arn't cheap but you are fuckin stupid if you think a senatra i better that a civic. Get out of here with that shit.



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for the dude who said use the extra cash on the si


your question was which is better...
so if you spend 5k more extra on civic it is better

but if you are proportionate...
you cant compare the stock stang to the s/c si

so spend some cash on the stang, b/c your question is unfairly biased

Not to down a fellow Honda driver, but I hate Civics.. I mean hell a SOHC 1.6L??? I mean you cant do anything with that.. You spend like 4000 on your engines supercharging them, puttin nitro in them, etc.. and yet you still only run 14 sec quarter miles... Love the looks of them when they are fixed up tho!! but i mean the engines are horrible.. I wish they would make a civic with a big engine.. I have a Lude and love it... AND NO IM NOT BEING MEAN :) :) :wave:

Amen my brotha! :)... yeah imports rule.. when we mod up fords cant even come close to matching our fuel economy, hp to L ratio, or our damn good looks hehe.. :flipa:

i just dont see it as fair to say that an si w/ 5k in mods will beat a stock mustang. alot of cars with 5k in mods will beat a mustang... im sure a kia could with a 5k turbo upgrade or sumthin... ya know?
it just isnt fair to say that, if you spent the extra cash... which doesnt exist, cuz if i had the extra 5k, iwould buy a nicer car... how many people would buy a car that is 5k cheaper to spend the 5k on it?
if i had the five i would spend it on an upscale car, then save up and mod that... that is all that i am sayin

i dont know if i am coherent there... it is like 1am right now

not me.. if i had a choice between mustang gt or a 4th gen lude..i would take the extra 10 grand and make it hella tite!

the way i see it though... is that most people are gettin a loan for that kinda stuff, and the "extra" is not really there... ya know?
like if i had 30k and spent only 22... then there is 8 extra... but if i finance for 22... there is no extra...
that is what i meant...

ya dig?

i gotcha man.. that is why i buy importz.. fun to drive, cheaper, and damn good lookin :).. so have fun all you ford drivers... well have fun bein in debt anyway :flipa: :devil:

i cant say that it would be
"in debt"... it would just be a case of getting to know the attendants at the gas station on a first name basis

that would suck

yeah i drove around for a while my moms bfriend's cobra.. it was fast and great and all but of course you had to fillup every block and on top of that it really didnt feel fast which is the feeling you DO get when your in an import!

you have to go by size and weight there. the stang is bigger, feels bigger. our cars are tiny in comparison. and... you expect to go fast, so it isnt a big surprise. you dont really expect a honda to be fast, but if the stang cobra is slow... prollem. it is mental there... the numbers show it is fast, you are just used to smaller packaging... rwd is so cool though... i wish i could convert my lude to rwd , or at least some sort of awd. that would kill everyone... hehehe:rolleyes:

yeah that was what i was tryin to explain was the fact that it is a lot bigger and sits higher and it just isnt fun to drive :)... but that viper at SHO's board that has 800 hp and 800 lb-tq twin turbo, a street car that runs 0-60 in 2.6 sec and runs 1/4 in 10.1 hehe.. now i bet we would feel the power then :)..

ya know what is odd bout that viper though? they run a high 12 stock... and with two turbos and twice the power it only runs 10s...
must be due to the lack of traction... but i dont think that a viper w/twin turbos is gonna be a 1/4 car, most likely a topspeed car...
but that 2.6 0-60 is damn crazy though... isnt that one of the fastest times ever? i have been on supercarcentral.com, and they dont have anything that is faster, that i have seen... most are in the 3s...
either way, that is fuckin fast...

i have never lost to any civic in my life tricked out or not... with my 88 mustang or my stealth. i personally like the newer accords myself better than civics. the best 2003 accord has 200hp where as the great civic si has a measly 160 hp with 132 ft pounds of torque.

i meant about 240 horsepower for the accord with about 213 pounds of torque my bad

why did you bring back a 3 year old topic?

just another hater

i have never lost to any civic in my life tricked out or not... with my 88 mustang or my stealth. i personally like the newer accords myself better than civics. the best 2003 accord has 200hp where as the great civic si has a measly 160 hp with 132 ft pounds of torque.
I'll ask you once not to bring back old topics. This thing is nearly 4 years old which means you would have had to go a decent amount of pages back to find it. Closed. No more dead threads.