need help with speeding ticket
streetrcr45
09-26-2003, 10:46 AM
ok...yes im 16..and yes im young and stupid..my dad has established that with me already...but yesterday i got a ticket for goin 65 in a 35 mph Zone.. I live in california and im wondering how much the ticket is goin to cost... im not to worried about insurance cause im going to go to driving school and get it taken off my record...the ticket price is what im worried about..
so please help me out here in any way you can..
also im thinking about fighting the ticket, because the cop was stopped talking to another car, he didnt have radar on me and he wasnt following me so he was pretty much just estimating my speed. so thats my story of what happened yesterday... HELP! ... :uhoh:
so please help me out here in any way you can..
also im thinking about fighting the ticket, because the cop was stopped talking to another car, he didnt have radar on me and he wasnt following me so he was pretty much just estimating my speed. so thats my story of what happened yesterday... HELP! ... :uhoh:
freakray
09-26-2003, 11:07 AM
From what I understand, in CA is perfectly legit and legal for the cop to estimate your speed based on the speed other traffic is travelling.
If I am right, you have no grounds to contest it based on that.
If I am right, you have no grounds to contest it based on that.
streetrcr45
09-26-2003, 11:57 AM
although it might be legal for them to do that.. i was only on a 2 lane road and there were no cars in sight... just me. no one coming towards me, no one infront of me and no one behind me, therefore a cop couldnt base my speed off of how fast i was passing traffic.
so do u still think that if i go to court i would lose? :banghead:
so do u still think that if i go to court i would lose? :banghead:
freakray
09-26-2003, 12:38 PM
I think your only chance of winning is if you take it to court and the officer doesn't arrive, otherwise you're paying.
mynismo
09-26-2003, 01:37 PM
your 16... you have to go to juvy court anyways. go with your dad... my first ticket was 60 in a 35 and i think i paid $60 all together, and he kept it off my records.
streetrcr45
09-26-2003, 02:00 PM
although your ticket was only 60 $ ... you live in a different state and i know that different statses have different amounts of fines that you have to pay for speeding...so i guess now im just really wondering about how much money it is goin to cost me since im in california.
thank you guys for replying to my thread...i appreciate it. :p
thank you guys for replying to my thread...i appreciate it. :p
Decoy
09-26-2003, 04:30 PM
Think about this before you go to court. Who will they believe more? the cop, or a 16 year old who was speeding?
It's not worth it going to court, just pay the ticket. Your just wasting tax dollars by taking it to court. You may win, but i'm thinking you'll loose.
Also, you said you were doing 65 in a 35? or somewhere around there. Even if he there isn't traffic around. The cop can still estimate your speed. The cop's job at times is to catch speeders, drive around a lot and sit on the road watching cars go by (among other things). After spending a while watching cars, he should very easily be able to tell when your speeding. Now about the 65, isn't that near what you do on the highway/expressway/whatever? if it is, he's probably logged time sitting there watching cars go by. Now, when he see's you go zipping on by, he should be able to tell that your going faster and near freeway speed, because thats how the cars zip by him on the highway.
I've been driving for like a year and a half and i can already tell when people are doing 10kph over the speed limit or more. I can even estimate pretty darn close to what they are actually doing. Now imagine someone who sits on the round for countless hours watching people go by :)
Now if you do say "oh, but there was no traffic around, he can't know my speed" Well, he'll probably say "i've spent yada yada years watching traffic, i can accuratly judge peoples speed." Or else he'll outright lie and say there was traffic, inwhich you'd loose :)
Just take the darn ticket, inless your insurance is going up, or your getting demerit points.
EDIT: The price should be listed on the ticket. Atleast it is here. How about you phone your police department and ask what the price will be?
It's not worth it going to court, just pay the ticket. Your just wasting tax dollars by taking it to court. You may win, but i'm thinking you'll loose.
Also, you said you were doing 65 in a 35? or somewhere around there. Even if he there isn't traffic around. The cop can still estimate your speed. The cop's job at times is to catch speeders, drive around a lot and sit on the road watching cars go by (among other things). After spending a while watching cars, he should very easily be able to tell when your speeding. Now about the 65, isn't that near what you do on the highway/expressway/whatever? if it is, he's probably logged time sitting there watching cars go by. Now, when he see's you go zipping on by, he should be able to tell that your going faster and near freeway speed, because thats how the cars zip by him on the highway.
I've been driving for like a year and a half and i can already tell when people are doing 10kph over the speed limit or more. I can even estimate pretty darn close to what they are actually doing. Now imagine someone who sits on the round for countless hours watching people go by :)
Now if you do say "oh, but there was no traffic around, he can't know my speed" Well, he'll probably say "i've spent yada yada years watching traffic, i can accuratly judge peoples speed." Or else he'll outright lie and say there was traffic, inwhich you'd loose :)
Just take the darn ticket, inless your insurance is going up, or your getting demerit points.
EDIT: The price should be listed on the ticket. Atleast it is here. How about you phone your police department and ask what the price will be?
GTStang
09-26-2003, 05:42 PM
Think about this before you go to court. Who will they believe more? the cop, or a 16 year old who was speeding?
It's not worth it going to court, just pay the ticket. Your just wasting tax dollars by taking it to court. You may win, but i'm thinking you'll loose.
Also, you said you were doing 65 in a 35? or somewhere around there. Even if he there isn't traffic around. The cop can still estimate your speed. The cop's job at times is to catch speeders, drive around a lot and sit on the road watching cars go by (among other things). After spending a while watching cars, he should very easily be able to tell when your speeding. Now about the 65, isn't that near what you do on the highway/expressway/whatever? if it is, he's probably logged time sitting there watching cars go by. Now, when he see's you go zipping on by, he should be able to tell that your going faster and near freeway speed, because thats how the cars zip by him on the highway.
I've been driving for like a year and a half and i can already tell when people are doing 10kph over the speed limit or more. I can even estimate pretty darn close to what they are actually doing. Now imagine someone who sits on the round for countless hours watching people go by :)
Now if you do say "oh, but there was no traffic around, he can't know my speed" Well, he'll probably say "i've spent yada yada years watching traffic, i can accuratly judge peoples speed." Or else he'll outright lie and say there was traffic, inwhich you'd loose :)
Just take the darn ticket, inless your insurance is going up, or your getting demerit points.
EDIT: The price should be listed on the ticket. Atleast it is here. How about you phone your police department and ask what the price will be?
In Mass. what he said above is the whole basis for allow cops to estimate speed of a car. And it will hold up in court because the accept he's X amount of years as him having the ability to fairly accurately estimate the speed of a car.
It's not worth it going to court, just pay the ticket. Your just wasting tax dollars by taking it to court. You may win, but i'm thinking you'll loose.
Also, you said you were doing 65 in a 35? or somewhere around there. Even if he there isn't traffic around. The cop can still estimate your speed. The cop's job at times is to catch speeders, drive around a lot and sit on the road watching cars go by (among other things). After spending a while watching cars, he should very easily be able to tell when your speeding. Now about the 65, isn't that near what you do on the highway/expressway/whatever? if it is, he's probably logged time sitting there watching cars go by. Now, when he see's you go zipping on by, he should be able to tell that your going faster and near freeway speed, because thats how the cars zip by him on the highway.
I've been driving for like a year and a half and i can already tell when people are doing 10kph over the speed limit or more. I can even estimate pretty darn close to what they are actually doing. Now imagine someone who sits on the round for countless hours watching people go by :)
Now if you do say "oh, but there was no traffic around, he can't know my speed" Well, he'll probably say "i've spent yada yada years watching traffic, i can accuratly judge peoples speed." Or else he'll outright lie and say there was traffic, inwhich you'd loose :)
Just take the darn ticket, inless your insurance is going up, or your getting demerit points.
EDIT: The price should be listed on the ticket. Atleast it is here. How about you phone your police department and ask what the price will be?
In Mass. what he said above is the whole basis for allow cops to estimate speed of a car. And it will hold up in court because the accept he's X amount of years as him having the ability to fairly accurately estimate the speed of a car.
RACER D12
09-26-2003, 06:23 PM
Even if you cant win still go because here in CT they will cut down the cost of the ticket if you show up.
YogsVR4
09-26-2003, 08:25 PM
35 means its a residential area - the cop should have cut your lisence in half for nearly doubling that speed. It obviously wasn't empty because the cop was around and was able to catch up to someone who was going over 60 mph past him.
Pay your fine and don't do that again.
Pay your fine and don't do that again.
streetrcr45
09-27-2003, 01:40 AM
ok...i will just pay the ticket... but the thing is that i slowed down to about 40mph when i was passing him...so thats why i was confused on how he could judge my speed...but whatever... im over it..
thank all of you guys for the advice
thank all of you guys for the advice
Dragonphreak
10-01-2003, 09:37 PM
ACCK! Don't ever just pay the ticket. If you think you're right, fight it. Plus you're under 18, take it to Juvy court and get it reduced. I used to live in CA and I dealt with a couple of tickets, they see so many that they are willing to cut deals to get it over with that you could work something out.
Jetts
10-01-2003, 09:47 PM
go to court, take the chance that he wont show up
pre
10-02-2003, 12:02 AM
65 in a 35 :screwy: :screwy:
at 16 :lol:
at 16 :lol:
tha_new_guy
10-02-2003, 01:46 AM
65 in a 35 :screwy: :screwy:
at 16 :lol:
None of us are perfect and this IS the street racing forum, sooo none of us are innocent here.... :nono:
I'll admit i've done worse. The trick is not getting caught. :evillol:
at 16 :lol:
None of us are perfect and this IS the street racing forum, sooo none of us are innocent here.... :nono:
I'll admit i've done worse. The trick is not getting caught. :evillol:
streetrcr45
10-02-2003, 02:03 AM
i just said that i got the ticket for 65 in a 35, how fast i was goin is different.... :evillol: but like i said... the cop didnt have any radar and wasnt following me...he was just stopped talkin to a motorcycle cop... but ya..it is a STREET RACING forum and seeing as how im 16 im entitled to do stupid things
although thats no excuse.. :uhoh:
although thats no excuse.. :uhoh:
Decoy
10-02-2003, 07:17 AM
I don't know how it works where you live street. But up here in Canada, atleast where i live. If you challenge a cop and take it to court, expect them to show up. It's because they actually put the court time in there shift and they get paid to go to court (thats partly why it's a waste of tax payers money to challenge one you'll probably loose). But i don't know how it works down there.
If you go to court though. You must say that your innocent and you weren't speeding. You can't say "i wasn't even doing 65mph." (might make the judge think your not telling the whole truth.) You should say something like "I was travelling along at 35mph when i passed the officer. I then heard the sirens a few seconds later and pulled over. He then gave me a ticket for 65mph, which i was not doing. I was doing the speed limit." You'll still get the fine if you say you were doing only 40, infact, it might be even more. Up here in Canada, atleast in my province. If you take a speeding ticket to court and the judge thinks yoru guilty, he can, and most likely will increase the fine of the ticket. And i'm pretty sure he can increase it to almost whatever he wants. I've heard stories of people going in with $150 tickets and comming out with $500 tickets :(
Also, are you sure you didn't become victim to a speed trap or anything like that? I saw on the news a while back that they are setting up speed traps and decoy like things. They'll have people doing construction and a few will be a cop. They'll be there with what looks like a survey machine, but really a laser gun :) If you speed, they call ahead and a cop ahead picks you off when you come by. There's probably more then the constuction thing, but, yah.
If you go to court though. You must say that your innocent and you weren't speeding. You can't say "i wasn't even doing 65mph." (might make the judge think your not telling the whole truth.) You should say something like "I was travelling along at 35mph when i passed the officer. I then heard the sirens a few seconds later and pulled over. He then gave me a ticket for 65mph, which i was not doing. I was doing the speed limit." You'll still get the fine if you say you were doing only 40, infact, it might be even more. Up here in Canada, atleast in my province. If you take a speeding ticket to court and the judge thinks yoru guilty, he can, and most likely will increase the fine of the ticket. And i'm pretty sure he can increase it to almost whatever he wants. I've heard stories of people going in with $150 tickets and comming out with $500 tickets :(
Also, are you sure you didn't become victim to a speed trap or anything like that? I saw on the news a while back that they are setting up speed traps and decoy like things. They'll have people doing construction and a few will be a cop. They'll be there with what looks like a survey machine, but really a laser gun :) If you speed, they call ahead and a cop ahead picks you off when you come by. There's probably more then the constuction thing, but, yah.
Alldar
10-02-2003, 07:20 AM
isnt that speed trap BS and illegal? :eek7:
Decoy
10-02-2003, 07:25 AM
isnt that speed trap BS and illegal? :eek7:
Once again, with where i come from :) The cop is suppose to be visible when you pass them for them to give you a ticket. That could of changed though. I've heard people complain about that and say that they'd take it to court. I dont' think they did though :) But it can't be to illegal if they are talking about it on the news. The news wasn't local either, it was an American news station.
Once again, with where i come from :) The cop is suppose to be visible when you pass them for them to give you a ticket. That could of changed though. I've heard people complain about that and say that they'd take it to court. I dont' think they did though :) But it can't be to illegal if they are talking about it on the news. The news wasn't local either, it was an American news station.
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