What's so good about Skylines?

I think they are overated, sure they have awesome performance, AWD, and look good, but I still think they are overrated.

Maybe the appeal to them if that most people in the US can't have them.

Personally, give me a STi anyway :sunglasse for half the price :grinno:

you obviously haven't seen any bestmotoring videos. the STi even the STi type RA gets its ass kicked by every other car. the Skyline usually ranks #1 in the races and the STi even the RA ranks usually last or in the middle of the pack at best. the average a time the skyline smokes the STi by is atleast 3 seconds. thats a life time in road racing. plus in the hands of pros. the STi usually manages 13.2-13.0 at best. and thats all from low end. the skyline usually averages 13.0 to 12.9 on the 1/4 and its from both high end and low end. the STi never catch the Skyline in anypart of hte track. becuase its not as precise as the EVO. where as the EVO will keep up with the skyline in the tight corners, but once the course starts to open even just by alittle bit the skyline just leaves teh EVO. and the STi is again let in the dust.

I don’t like the looks of the Skyline. Just plain ugly to me. However, there is no denying the wonderful engine and drive train in the car. They are great performers from the factory and take well to being modified for even greater performance. Overrated? I’d say no. Over hyped? Yes, without a doubt.

You said the key words. Most in the states will never have them or can get them without paying a huge price. The same can be said about the Viper, and Vette outside the states.

In Australaisa where they are cheap, $15,000 USD or less Skyline GTR's rule the roads unless someone wants to spend a lot of money to upgrade their car's to keep up.

The Subbie is the most over rated car in the Japanese line up. They are the slowest of the lot off the show room floor in the super car line up. Always have been and always will be. Even the Series 6 RX7 was quicker and faster. Those claimed times of low 13's are not even close to what they actually run. I've seen enough of the WRX's as there are littlerally 1000's running around the streets of New Zealand. The little EVO is quicker and more nimble then they are.

In saying all that not too bright to come into a model specific area and look like a tosser with a thread like this.

To yogs considering the performance level out a 3000GT base line and even mods, mod to mod the GTR will eat one alive from the show room floor every day of the week and not break a sweat. :twak:

To yogs considering the performance level out a 3000GT base line and even mods, mod to mod the GTR will eat one alive from the show room floor every day of the week and not break a sweat. :twak:

You have never (or will ever) hear me make the claim that the 3000 will outperform a Skyline with or without going mod to mod. I always admit to their wonderful performance. My dislike for their appearance has nothing to do with their abilities on the road.

I’d much rather have great performance and awesome looks then awesome performance and a crappy look. :2cents:

:iceslolan

Okay, ignoring the two guys are are doing nothing but fighting, the Skyline is one of the best cars there is. with AWD, twin turbo, a straight-6 cyl engine, and it's high top speed, it's the best base Jap car there is!

Even Tommy Kaira Thinks so, look!

http://www.fast-autos.net/tommykaira/zztwo4.jpg

Does anyone have evidence other than the best motoring videos which show the great stock performance?

Nurburgring track time says all that need be said.

quick question, whats the difference between a coupe and a sedan?







cuz i keep hearing about the G35 sedans and coupes being the new skyline... so :icon16:

Nurburgring track time says all that need be said.


What, the 8:28 being the fastest official test done?

Does anyone have evidence other than the best motoring videos which show the great stock performance?


Having driven several GTs-ts and followed Vinces GTR on the road and then seen it, and been in it when its performed at the track I can tell you they are very fast cars.
But then anything with that much technology and share power should be.

quick question, whats the difference between a coupe and a sedan?







cuz i keep hearing about the G35 sedans and coupes being the new skyline... so :icon16:

Coupe = 2 door
Sedan = 4 door

Having driven several GTs-ts and followed Vinces GTR on the road and then seen it, and been in it when its performed at the track I can tell you they are very fast cars.
But then anything with that much technology and share power should be.

I suppouse I should have said "print" evidence.

If you don't know by now, there is little credible evidene that you are even remotely serious. The Skyline's ability is world reknowned. :shakehead

If you don't know by now, there is little credible evidene that you are even remotely serious. The Skyline's ability is world reknowned. :shakehead

So you don't have any "evidence"? I know if it is extremely potent in modified form. I want to know what it does stock.

Which one? 32,33,34?

STOCK R32 around low 13's-high 12s. All cars are created different, tracks are created different, weather conditions are created different.

Stock R33, a little slower

Stock R34 about the same times. But this is not written anywhere. I have seen small mods done to a R32 GTR, and it ran high 11's.

Its very subjective.

So you don't have any "evidence"? I know if it is extremely potent in modified form. I want to know what it does stock.

There're these little things called search engines, maybe you've heard of them? What you do is you go to one of them (http://www.google.com), and put in some words! And you'll get a list of web-pages!! It's really very clever!! :icon16: :loser:

Since you don't seem to want to believe those of us who have and drive these cars, I suggest you invest some time and find someone you will believe. Overall you'll find the consensus to be that most of the Skyline range are very good (at least in one way or another), and the GTRs are damn quick, and handle damn well (yes, standard).

didn't the R33 GT-R broke the world record in the nurburing by doin it in under 8 minutes. i have saw a website where it showed that it can do the ring in 7:59 seconds. or something like that. thats almost a half a minute faster then what a EVO 7 or 8 can do. and those are faster cars then the STi.

I think you guys mis-understood me a little.

I'm saying the Skyline is overrated because people are spending what 50k+ importing it here. I'm saying is over hyped over here. For the rest of the world I don't know.

Plus, compared to the rest of the world and not just Japan, the Skyline isn't really all that great. You can get a z06 and it has equal performance.

How much does the a all new Skyline GT-R cost is Japan anyways?

I think it is important to keep in mind that every car has it's merrits stock or otherwise. The world is full of great cars and we should rejoice that we are in the "second coming" of the muscle car era and war of horsepower between the big companies. It is truely a great time to be a car enthusiast.

That said, if one wants to compare cars, showroom stock is the way to compare them, other wise I can talk all day about my Diahutsu grocery getter with a Solid rocket booster strapped to the roof. In making a showroom stock comparison it is easy to search the web for FACTORY statistics. Unfortunately for the Skyline these all point to realistic numbers of around 13.5 sec at 102 mph in the 1/4 mile. This is supported by several drag racing horsepower calculators, which actually list the HP at around 280 RWHP and 320HP at the flywheel. Simple physics, but more importantly repeatability. Numerous magazines will also back up these figures using Vericom accelerometers.

This is not to say that some talented drivers can't do better, or in some case much much better. But Apples is to apples. This is the same methodology in which numbers were established for the Viper, Corvette, Porsche, and Mustang. I owned a C5 corvette and several 5.0L V8 mustangs. I consistently got better numbers and so will most writers on the forum, but at the end of the day the 80th percentile of people will get apporoximately the base line numbers. End of story.

Of note I saw a recent article in a Japanese car review magazine, that pitted a final model year R34 vs. a new G35 Coupe. It had fast framed action photos in series and a great write up all done on a road course. The end result was that the G35 coupe beat the R34 in every category accept 1/4 mile acceleration. The G35 coupe was faster around the road course. The action photos revealed that the G35 was more stable. The R34 had several photos showing it lifting it's inside front tire on hard turns, while the G35 was well composed! Amazing how technology moves on!

If and when the new GTR is released, it is suposed to be based on the G35 coupe/ 350Z platform. This bodes well as the G35 already looks like a solid performer!

-AL

but hellbent. when you compare what a car is really capable of your not goin to judge it by what the average joe shmoe can do with the car, you want to know what the car can do to its fullest extent. there is no point of sayin the skyline is this fast if your only driving like say 80% of what is really capable of. which brings me to my next point. you say that the skyline runs average of 13.5 by other guys, well have you thought about how those guys didn't have much time to get familar with driving a right hand drive and shifting with their left arm? nope, whats the average taht the Sti can run? the last time i checked it was a 13.2 in those mags. so basically a guy shifting with his left arm in a skyline is almost as quick as a guy driving a STi shifting with his right arm. hmmmmm but i've seen faster, the fastest i've seen was a 13.0 so i would count the STi as a 13 flat car becuase thats what the car can do to its full extend. but i'm still alittle skeptic of that beucase i have not seen the same numbers repeat. however the skylines sub 13 second runs are being repeated constantly. so that time has been backed up over and over again. you see what i'm saying right?

Saint...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, you are so funny. Obviously you cannot master a search engine because if you did, you wound't have posted such bullshit from "I" to the "?." I've given detailed replies to kids like you before....but use the search engine to find out the truth. :rolleyes:

the thing that is really absolutly amazing about the gtr is that is a a rwd car that only activates the fwd when the rear tires start to slip, now you compare that to the sti or evo or whatever, and the one guy said that it costs 50k plus legalizing, thats only if you buy a dag gum r34, the r32 that is on hole for me is only 36k and it is a 94, how much newer do you need to get? and that right there is so much less expensive than the damn zo6. so with the extra money that i have left over, i will do very simple mods and i will beable to blow the zo6 away :loser:

r32gtrnus,

And you own a GTR?

Z06 is a damn nice car, wish I could afford one:)

not to burst bubbles, but the nurburgring record is held by porsches, stock or modded, they've got the records, with little competition.

i'd find it hard to believe that a car that weighs more, has less power, and a lower lateral acceleration number (only .88 for an r34) would be able to best a porsche 911 turbo, or a gt2, even a gt3 would be quicker... at least at the ring.

and in most cases, the porsche will out handle, and be faster, with less power...

this is the same argument as the zo6...

it's all about what you like.
i'll never deny the sexiness of a skyline, but if you saw em all the time, and never saw a zo6, it'd be more "exotic" or rare.

for it's intended purpose (and at it's intended price) the skyline is a great car... if it were sold here, it'd cost less than a vette (when it was new, if they had been sold as US market cars)... and that's where it performs...

but it's by no means a bad car, and it's not overhyped, but the mystique is what keeps people wanting them...

flylwsi.

Well said.

Plus there is not going to be a weath of knowledge that you can pool from, if you get one in the states(like the Stangs, and Camaros).

Here in England, I have seen enough to know what they are about, but most of these guys here take their cars to a mechanic to have the work done, unlike in the states where you just join a local club, and then have your buddies over to help work on the beasts. Not all, but a lot of them do that here. What I am getting at, is that it costs a lot more to do that.

There're these little things called search engines, maybe you've heard of them? What you do is you go to one of them (http://www.google.com), and put in some words! And you'll get a list of web-pages!! It's really very clever!! :icon16: :loser:

Since you don't seem to want to believe those of us who have and drive these cars, I suggest you invest some time and find someone you will believe. Overall you'll find the consensus to be that most of the Skyline range are very good (at least in one way or another), and the GTRs are damn quick, and handle damn well (yes, standard).


Ok, I'll bite, I searched and didn't find a Skyline review done by a magazine. I know they handle well, I know they are quick. I want to HOW well they handle, I want to know HOW quick they are. I know some American magazines have tested them, I was hoping for some links, I guess not though. Anyone have links to Aussie or UK reviews?

"Since you don't seem to want to believe those of us who have and drive these cars, I suggest you invest some time and find someone you will believe."
I did actually want to get some information, but if you're gonna be an ass about it, maybe not. I'll do Skyline owners a favor and not think they are all as pompous and immature as you.

Hahahaha! You searched about Skylines and found nothing? :rolleyes: A poster said that Porsches own the Nurburgring and nothing else comes close? Hahahahaha! I have little doubt that ignorant American kids talk shit all the time about how the Skyline is the god car of all time yet they haven't even seen one much less driven one. But, that cannot take away from the fact that these cars are great stock from the factory. Inlet and exhaust upgrade and you're over 300hp. I'm amazed that people base their opinion about a car simply in opposition to what a bunch of kids say. :rolleyes:

You want Skyline info, go to Fresh Alloy or Skylines Down Under, or how about...

This image was removed because it wasn't acceptable. Raz.

Can we tone down the testosterone levels a bit please. Anytime there is a debate/questioning over a particular model there will always be emotions involved. Getting shitty or throwing your toys out of the sandbox isn't going to answer nor will it solve issues or questions.

I've owned a large number of cars over the years, and have driven or been in a number of high performance cars.
Some of the things that impressed me the most about the Skyline GTR is the overall package. While the upper end cars such as the Porsche GT2, GT3 are in a class of their own, they are also substantially more expensive. Also keep in mind as I've said before, that price is relitive to the particular country you reside. Case in point. Here in New Zealand we would pay over $250,000 NZD for a second hand GT2 while a brand new R34 GTR Vspec II would be half that. An R33 GTR is about $42,000 and R32 around $30,000. To give you another comparison that will knock the socks off our American user the top of the line Jeep Grand Cherokee would set me back more than an R34 GTR brand new for both! Just keep that in mind.

When I first got my R32 GTR it had a pod filter and full Trust Street/Racing system on it. 3 3/4 inch dia. I managed consistant 12.8's even with Moppie in the car I still did a 12.95 @ 110mph. That was done at only running 13.7psi of boost which is stuff all. Handling is better than most think it is. While it will understeer a little more than 2wd cars it is no where near that of any other 4wd vehicle. This is because of the ATTESSA system. Off the throttle it is 2wd and crusing it is 2wd. There is more to the system than simply applying torque to the front wheels as there are a number of factors and input sensors that dictate it. Throttle position, longitudal, latteral G-force sensors, rear wheel speed to front wheel speed which is determined from the anti-lock cogs on each axle. Hence you are able to get a GTR into over steer like a rwd car but keeping your foot into it will also bring it back instead of going around providing the oversteer does not go beyond 50deg from centre.

Acceleration is smooth. Unlike many turbo vehciles which seem to have explosive power. They pull very simular to any V8 except there is no let off until after 7,000 rpm. The car will pull from 2,600 rpm but you will get a bit of an extra kick around the 4,700 rpm mark which is where the factory cams/head design/turbos are designed to make most of the power from. Unlike a single turbo where you powerband is very narrow, being twin turbo with smaller light weight wheels boost comes on early in factory trim. Around the 3,000 mark for more than 6 psi.

No one can turely appricate this car or any high performance car until you've driven it. Watching on video, or reading about it just does not give you the full sceme or scope of what the vehicle is about.

For those that want to compare a GTR to a Viper, Z06, etc keep in mind the engine is only 2.6 litres. That is very simular in size to the Dodge Avenger which was 2.5 litres. The GTR is also heavy compared to other smaller engined cars. They are built extremely strong body and chassis wise. At 1430 kgs (3152.607 lbs) as weighed my R32 is not a light weight shopping trolly like a civic. The power to weight ratio isn't in its favour when you seriously think about it. Yet it is able to perform equal to or out perform other cars with engines over twice its capacity at a simular weight.
Power is rated at 275hp (280ps). As many know that is total bs. When I dynoed my car when I got it, it was making that at the wheels or just under actualy, 266hp. Add 26% to that for drive line loss on the dyno I use. That is 335.16 hp at the flywheel. Correct me if I am wrong but the Z06, GT2, GT3's, are rated at 450hp+. Now they weight in at simular or maybe slightly more but also have over 100hp more. So when a car that weights in nearly the same, is making 100hp less, can still manage to keep up with others that is impressive in anyone's book.

As far as getting more power out of them, that is easy. Simple mods such as remapping the factory ecu, exhaust, pod filters, and boost controllers bring the GTR up to the Z06 and GT3 power levels. Now the tables turn dramaticly. You still have the same handling and all the running gear so you don't lose the cornering abilities while not being left behind down the straights. My particular car is pushing just over 450hp now. I been clocked by GPS and radar at 0-100kph or 0-62mph in 4.2 secs. 1/4 mile personal best is now a 12.11 @ 117mph. That is in full street trim the way the car rolled off the show room floor. Nothing taken out of it except the spare tyre on normal radial tyres and pumped gas of 98 octane.

If you're looking for information on Skylines, stick with those that KNOW. Don't be so fooled by biased reports by ignorant magazines and people's own speculations. I've seen so much inncorrect shit on the internet over the past few years about these cars it isn't funny. The problem is since people don't really know they assume it is correct because it is published as such. It isn't I would never own an understeering pig.

These cars were designed and built to compete in GT racing. They do that very well. For the record I had run across old archives of the Japan GT history. What many of you don't know is the restrictions put on the GTR to be able to still race. They are boost limited to 1.4 bar and have air intake restrictors, turbo restrictions, and are no longer allowed to be 4wd. This began shortly after 1992 when the GTR for three straight seasons completely dominated the Japan GT. In 1991 there were no less than 8 teams using the Skyline GTR during that season. Until recently the NSX's and Supra's were the dominate force but this year the Skyline once again owned 2 of the top 4 spots.

I would hate to close this tread but if personal attacks continue I will do so and those that continue will be banned from AF. Think before you post. If you are pissed off about something go for a walk or somewhere else because if it comes in here action will be taken.

So, no one else thought that pic was funny? I thought it was.

But, to be serious, if you claim to have searched the net and you still claim that you don't know why the SKyline is such a great car, you either lied about searching, can't comprehend what you saw, or simply did a terrible job of searching. $50,000USD just to legalize the car? Thats BS. The Z06 will smoke it? Thats BS. The car is overrated? Who is talking about Skylines and what is he saying? If you're serious about wanting to know more about Skylines, Google. Yes, there is a plethora of info out there.


Google! Can you speak it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

TatII,

If you re-read my previous post you will see that I am talking about comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Anyone can arm chair quarter back the what ifs of any car that is modded out. I am certainly not trying to say that the Skyline GTR isn't a great car with a lot of potential. Mater of fact I really like the looks of them. Everytime I see one, it makes me reconsidder buying one.

However, the only fair comparison is show room stock cars. There is even racing classes that are show room stock only. Think about it, the factory didn't design the cars to be modified, they even recommend against it.

I have seen this tired topic beaten to death on the Mustang forums. "If I took my $10,000 1999 Mustang GT and put $30,000 into it, I would murder every Zo6 I came accross." Well maybe, but your Mustang would still not be worth the total of $40,000 invested, it would be a frankenstien monster, and would still not achieve the level of poise, balance, and confidence that a Zo6 posses.

Like it or not the Automotive press does a very fair job of reporting the results of car tests. The same left handed granny shifting tester driving the skyline is also going to drive the Viper, Zo6, etc... If you read the text most of these magazines have a number of personnel drive the cars and they usually will give the average and also mention the best too. Many times they even have racing legends participating in the tests, such as Mario Andretti. No matter how great we may think we are in our own cars, we are just not in the same league as some of the pro-racers, otherwise we would be on ESPN and not the Automotive forums.

The Clincher is, the 13.5 sec 1/4 mile time at 102 mph I posted is taken from the MOTOREX homepage. Who better to post good results than someone who is actually trying to sell Skylines!

The alternantive is we can listen to some guy who has a tricked out Yugo that runs the 1/4 in 8 sec. and pulls 1.05g on the skid pad. Maybe we can talk him into going to the Nuremburg ring and setting a new record to end this debate once and for all. Or just maybe show room stock is a good comparison. ;)

-AL

There are a lot of Bad Ass cars out there, the Skyline GTR is one of them.

What HellBent and Razor have mentioned as been spot on.

So, no one else thought that pic was funny? I thought it was.

But, to be serious, if you claim to have searched the net and you still claim that you don't know why the SKyline is such a great car, you either lied about searching, can't comprehend what you saw, or simply did a terrible job of searching. $50,000USD just to legalize the car? Thats BS. The Z06 will smoke it? Thats BS. The car is overrated? Who is talking about Skylines and what is he saying? If you're serious about wanting to know more about Skylines, Google. Yes, there is a plethora of info out there.


Google! Can you speak it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I searched Google originally. Maybe you misunderstood, I want magazine road tests.........I did not find any of those. Yes, I found other information; No, it was not what I wanted. I wanted hard data. If you want to enlighten me with your omniscience, go ahead.

I believe the guys have given you some good information

So, you typed in

"Skyline GTR test results"
"Skyline GTR reviews"
"Skyline GTR track times"
"Skyline GTR Godzilla"

And came up with nothing? :eek7:

not to burst bubbles, but the nurburgring record is held by porsches, stock or modded, they've got the records, with little competition.

i'd find it hard to believe that a car that weighs more, has less power, and a lower lateral acceleration number (only .88 for an r34) would be able to best a porsche 911 turbo, or a gt2, even a gt3 would be quicker... at least at the ring.


I think what folks are referring to is the R33 that held the production car record on the Nurburgring for a while. Since it was an R33, that had to be quite a while ago. I've also heard that Nissan engineers admitted that the car used was making something like 400hp rather than the stock '276.'

There was a Gemballa 911 turbo that just got the Nurburgring record for a little while, then a Radical(barely a road car) with a turbo Hayabusa motor beat it by something like 19 seconds.

what you said is pretty much spot on...

there are road car classifications (showroom stock) and modified classifications at nurburgring...

i definitely don't consider the radical to be a road or modified car, so i'll stick to the porsche claim...

the down side to the skyline claim, as you noted, is that it was admittedly not stock... but when the germans are bringing 400hp stock cars to the table... it wouldn't be fair...

but i know what you're saying...

this is to the guy who said that they would buy a 10k mustang and put 30k into and then he could rape any zo6. with 30,000 into a car, i would hope that you would be breaking atleast the 9's especially with a mustang, parts for that car are so cheap! if you were to spend 30,000 on a mustang, and you are just raping a zo6, then you wasted 30,000! i dont mean this as an attack or anything, i'm just saying that 30k is a little farfetched to beable to beat a zo6. the new supercharged mustang is 395 hp. a zo6 is only 406. but when you want to compare a stock car to a stock car, then the zo6 will beat the skyline or just about any other car under 50,000. no one can argue with that. what i'm sayin is, why dont i buy a slyline for 38,000, put maybe, maybe 2,000 at the most, and i am fling by every car out there!

comparing a skyline to a zo6 is futile. there are too many issues to be addressed before you can even get them on the same playing field

-the governmental laws in each country. the US has much more stringint emission laws. gas is crappier. the life expectency and mileage required out of a vehicle are more in the US. the way vehicles are taxed and sold is different. crash testing, too .a zo6 is like rated 28 or 29 mpg on the hiway-is the nissan required to do this from the factory? pound for pound, displacement is the EZest way to balance way to build power.
now while there is a point of the 5.7 being "low tech". i would wager that the complete ls6 is lighter and EZer to package than the RB26DETT w/ its turbos, iron block, intercoolers, and piping.

-availability. down under, it sounds like skylines are EZ and relativly cheap. $15000 USD. try that here. more like 2 1/2 times that. financing is hard too .performance parts are hard to find,expensive, and try to find someone to work on it.other than maybe in SoCal, but the US is a big place. now do that with a car from the US. say a 86-7 Buick Grand National/ Turbo Regal. ship it there , make RHD, find parts and the people with knowledge. suddenly a cheap car here isn't there

-nitrous. isn't that illegal down there. here spend $500-$700 for the bottle and $350 on slicks and watch a 12.3-12.8 zo6 go mid 11's w/ eaze and still have a car that will idle @ 750 rpm, be civilized to drive everyday, get very good mileage for haow fast it can be, get 100K miles out of it, and has world class handling.

there are too many things that are required out of each to put them on the same field to determine which is better.
maybe i should ship a 95 R33 GTR and dump in a Ls6. have the best of both worlds

this is to the guy who said that they would buy a 10k mustang and put 30k into and then he could rape any zo6. .... what i'm sayin is, why dont i buy a slyline for 38,000, put maybe, maybe 2,000 at the most, and i am fling by every car out there!

r32gtrnus,

I am not trying to be critical, but I need to clarify a few things. I think you misunderstood the point of my post. I'm not saying you need $30,000 in mods to make a 5.0L mustang fast. I'm just equating spending the same amount on both cars ($40k). Even spending the same amount as a new vette on a used mustang will not give you the same results.

To that end, you may be able to get an older GTR stateside and legalized for under the cost of a new Corvette. It may even beat a corvette in some parameters. However, it will still not be equivalent to a new Corvette for several reasons. 1) It is not new! 2) It does not have the creature comforts and modern convieniences of a new car. 3) It won't have amenaties like a "Heads up Display" or active handling. 4) Technology keeps changing. The 2005 Corvette is starting with a baseline of 400+ hp (rumored to be 425hp), the Zo6 following a year later is rumored to be at or close to 500hp. 5) It won't have a 3yr, 30,000 mile warranty! :)

Theses are among the many reasons I chose a new C5 over a used GTR. I still really like the GTR, and wish I had the opportunity to autocross one. I am sure it is an awsome car to drive, and a pleasure at speed. However, an old car by any other name is still an old car. No offense intended, but my personal choice for $40k+ is not going to be a used car that is several years old, that needs mods, has to be worked on by a specialty shop, and parts are hard to come by. For some this may be a viable option, and your reward will be a great car that gets a lot of attention. I guess it's just the cruel nature of life, when you finally earn the money, you just no longer have the time or the patience.

Peace,

-AL

TatII,
and would still not achieve the level of poise, balance, and confidence that a Zo6 posses.

going to the Nuremburg ring and setting a new record


I thought these were funny quotes !! (its Nurburgring - a famous venue for car racing, as opposed to the sentencing of war criminals!!)

I also liked the one about a zo6 being frugal consumption wise !!

At the end of the day a GTR will be about the overall driving experience and the ability to go round corners, whilst the american cars are more geared for outright power, and speed in a straight line, I know this is an old cliche, but that is what the market each cars is sold in requires.

From an engineering perspective the GTR is a wonder of modern technology, but then I am biased as I have one !!

I wonder when these types of discussion will end??

Never probably !! lol

J.

what you said is pretty much spot on...

there are road car classifications (showroom stock) and modified classifications at nurburgring...

i definitely don't consider the radical to be a road or modified car, so i'll stick to the porsche claim...

the down side to the skyline claim, as you noted, is that it was admittedly not stock... but when the germans are bringing 400hp stock cars to the table... it wouldn't be fair...

but i know what you're saying...

I echo the sentiments in both your posts. Spending several hours surfing the Official Nurburgring website along with numerous nurburgring club sites, several interesting facts surfaced. The official site doesn't lend a lot of creedence to times, as the distances raced are hard to standardize, and there are so many different track configurations, with different starting and stopping points. The official site puts more weight on average mph/kph.

Another interesting observation is that a number of club sites have records that are already beating the Skyline record. Since I have not seen the Skyline time officially posted anywhere that is official, I would say that it is unofficial. Therefore extrapolating on that vein, it would be a simple observation that it's unofficial record has already been beaten unofficially by several clubs. It looks like one Brittish club even had a Volkswagon Golf VR6 beat the Skyline record. There are also numerous German sites with BMW M3s and porsches laying claim to the title as well. Of course this is all armchair racing, but until I see something official I have to go by what I can find through searches.

-AL

To clear up the track times at Nurburgring...

There is a reason why the GTR is the only car that has an official label of Nur (represents Nurburgring) stamped on it.

http://www.nissan.co.jp/GT-R/R34/0201NUR/SCREEN/IMG/nur5_b.jpg

Yes yes :grinyes:

To clear up the track times at Nurburgring...

There is a reason why the GTR is the only car that has an official label of Nur (represents Nurburgring) stamped on it.
Yes yes :grinyes:

Hmmmmm.... this begs the comparison to let me see... the Pontiac Le Mans, Pontiac Grand Prix, the Chrysler Seebring, Chevy Monte Carlo, Dodge Daytona. All named after famous racing circuits. :rolleyes: All fun and games aside, a sticker is but a sticker. Show me the money. If someone can post "OFFICIAL" times I would be impressed. As I stated earlier, there are plenty of unofficial times out there. Yes even for Yugos! :yugosmili

-AL

I have it on fairly good authority that GTR's are quicker than Yugo's :D :D :D :D

J.

http://www.caterham.force9.co.uk/ring.htm

Read that if you want to know more about the "first car to break 8 minutes".

LOL!

I was going to mention Caterham, and thier efforts at the ring, but its getting a little OT.
But basicly everytime someone set a new record they simply bolted a more powerful engine into a super 7 and went faster. I believe they gave up after a while, as there was absoultly no challange in it, and they had proved thier point:
It dosnt matter how much technology and hp you have, a car that only weighs 600kgs will always be faster.

0-100km/hr 400m

R32 GTR 4.73sec 13.02sec
R33 GTR 4.94sec 13.19sec
R34 GTR 4.92sec 13.13sec

Those times are from High Performance Imports (yes, a magazine :p ).

High Performance Imports also regularly do car comparisons between all manner of cars - sometimes standard, sometimes modified. In all cases where they've tested a GTR against another car, the GTR has come out way ahead in handling (real life road holding) tests. In a test against the latest Corvette, they found that while in a straight line the Corvette was faster (though not by that much) as soon as it had to slow down/stop/turn a corner etc, all the Corvette driver would see was the GTR's afterburners.

There. That's what magazine tests say. Now you can either choose to believe me or not. I really don't give a monkeys.

Ok, if I understand this corectly (from a completely objective view point of course), two cars have a race and the car with less torque, less hp, less displacement, narrower tires, older technology McPhereson strut front suspension, and more weight wins. From this data a reasonable person can only come to one conclusion: the other car was driven very poorly (either that or the e-brake was left on). :rolleyes:

(in a dead pan voice: Two cars race it out on a lonely track, pushing the limits in their race against time. Only the drivers missed the sign on the side of the track that says the laws of physics don't apply here. For these poor drivers, their next pit stop will be... in the twilight zone.) :uhoh:

-AL

0-100km/hr 400m

R32 GTR 4.73sec 13.02sec
R33 GTR 4.94sec 13.19sec
R34 GTR 4.92sec 13.13sec

Those times are from High Performance Imports (yes, a magazine :p ).

High Performance Imports also regularly do car comparisons between all manner of cars - sometimes standard, sometimes modified. In all cases where they've tested a GTR against another car, the GTR has come out way ahead in handling (real life road holding) tests. In a test against the latest Corvette, they found that while in a straight line the Corvette was faster (though not by that much) as soon as it had to slow down/stop/turn a corner etc, all the Corvette driver would see was the GTR's afterburners.

There. That's what magazine tests say. Now you can either choose to believe me or not. I really don't give a monkeys.


And they tested this against a C5 Coupe, right?