AMT Fast and Furious 1970 Dodge Charger

Yes, it's out, and RCErtl screws up again. Royally.

In the box is the Dukes of Hazzard Charger kit (a '69) with a revised body that has (finally) the tunnel roof rear window. Unfortunately, its too small. The new blower and scoop are a joke, and the interior is stock Charger 500, though it does come with a roll cage.

The new wheels and grille for the F&F car, frankly, suck. They look like stuff taken from a cheap toy.

AMT/Ertl is now 1 for 3 on F&F cars. The Supra was good, the Eclipse is a disaster, and this Charger is at least workable though I wonder if it's really worth the effort.

Maybe when AF enables pic uploading agaion I can upload a pic of the parts.

My rating: :swear:

Yeah, AMT isn't that good at making kits. They have some cool ones and all, but the quality sucks. I have like 3 of them going right now, and I'm so pissed at all of them. The windows are too small, the parts aren't long enough, the parts are too big etc. The list goes on and on.

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btw, for 10$, I think those kit are enjoyable.. at least Supra was and Eclipse look ok..I know it's not acurate, but if the end result look cool, this is the main thing we want.

post picture please !

post picture please !

Here ya go.

wow... those wheels are almost cartoonish... :(

I love the charger and they had a potential of making a really good kit.... :disappoin

wow... those wheels are almost cartoonish... :(

I love the charger and they had a potential of making a really good kit.... :disappoin

Almost??? They bear no resemblance to any real car wheels I have ever seen.

I'm beginning to get to the point where I'm wishing RC2 would just sell off AMT to someone who would really make a go of it. Kind of like what we all wished back in the mid 1980s when Ertl bought AMT and proceeded to turn it into a laughingstock. Then in 1986 Ertl put some people who KNEW the plastic kit market in charge of AMT, and AMT took off once again.

Can history repeat itself??????? :sunglasse

if Tamya started to put engines in all their cars I would never buy anything else.

its just hard for to imagine Tamyia make a nice 1932 Ford High Boy :headshake

I'm just curious as to why folks haven't just turned to modifying the Revell Dick Landy 1968 Charger. It's a Hemi, has probably the best midsize Chryco chassis out there, and I think one of the resin casters did a set of 1970 bumpers for the kit (Perry's resin, if I'm not mistaken?).

Honestly folks, AMT never had good Charger tooling in the first place (their MPC based Chargers are a joke, end of story, and their 1971 Charger tool was accurate and fair detailed, but problematic in fit and had some odd suspension height issues.)

The only happiness I've found is that they're bringing back the old Corvair kit. I like the old Corvair kit.

Isn't the Charger in that movie a `68? Alot of stupid people think it was a Challenger, that thing was way to big to be a Challenger. The kit looks ok to me for an AMT, looks alot better then their `70 Impala does. You can always get some Cragars out of another kit you know.

Isn't the Charger in that movie a `68? Alot of stupid people think it was a Challenger, that thing was way to big to be a Challenger. The kit looks ok to me for an AMT, looks alot better then their `70 Impala does. You can always get some Cragars out of another kit you know.

The movie car(s) were constructed from parts of both '69s and '70s, according to Eddie Paul's book The Cars of The Fast and the Furious. That explains the '70 front bumpers with the '69 style fenders.

First off, the kit is not an AMT kit by heritage. It is a vintage MPC kit, now marketed under the AMT name. It - and the '70 Impala you mention - are both OLD KITS. Old as in, the tooling is over 30 years old.

Swapping wheels from another kit is easy.
Getting the manufacturer to produce a quality model in the first place, that's hard.:evillol:

i hope they sell the 2 Fast 2 Furious cars' rights to Tamiya or Revell...but i doubt it :(

just pray no-one's stupid enough to buy em so they'll need to sell the rights to make some kind of profit. the blower looks like it could be at least transplanted onto another engine.

i hope they sell the 2 Fast 2 Furious cars' rights to Tamiya or Revell...but i doubt it :(

Generally, in the hobby business, once a company secures the rights to a licensed property they hold on to it and milk it for all it's worth.

Case in point: AMT. AMT held the rights to STAR TREK from 1966 until 1999. Star Trek models were AMT's hottest property, especially during the 1990s, when they did ships from every movie and TV show (except Voyager - Paramount granted Voyager licensing to Revell-Monogram). When sales of Star Trek models died in the late 1990s, AMT (or rather, Racing Champions, who bought AMT/Ertl) let the license lapse. In 2002, Bandai and Polar Lights picked up the Star Trek licensing. Bandai's pre-decorated and lighted movie-version USS Enterprise is expensive (over 5000 yen in Japan), but it's selling like there's no tomorrow. Ditto for Polar Lights' TV series original USS Enterprise, which is inexpensive ($12), has parts and decals for different variations, and fits together better than any of the AMT kits.

Tamiya seems to shy away from licensed properties like movies and TV shows. They do license real racing car trademarks and team schemes. As for Revell, they still havethe F&F license, and can produce more. As far as 2F2F, we'll find out if there are any plans when they announce the 2004 2nd half new items at the New York Toy Fair in February.

The correct wheels for the car are American Racing "Daisies"; they can be found in the AMT '63 Impala release. Look closely at the wheels on the movie car; they're not Cragar SS wheels. :wink:

the blower looks like it could be at least transplanted onto another engine.
Nahhh. The blower in the Charger kit is total junk, the blower manifold is also total junk, and the injector scoop is even worse than both of them - it's too long, too narrow, and just plain too big. The whole thing looks like a caricature instead of a real blown and injected Hemi. Revell's diecast Charger's engine looks a lot closer to reality, at least as far as the F&F Charger goes.

The correct wheels for the car are American Racing "Daisies"; they can be found in the AMT '63 Impala release. Look closely at the wheels on the movie car; they're not Cragar SS wheels. :wink:

Good call Tonio!

Well nearly none of the crap in that movie was real. It was all bullshit, all of it! I avoided seeing the second one after seeing the first one, the only joy I got from the frist was the sounds of the charger in surround sound at the end :sunglasse

I hope no one makes the cars from the second movie, they were all crap really, the Yenko is already/has already been produced and the Challenger is still around, the Skylines just didn't do anything for me, how many of them looked exactly like each other?

Well nearly none of the crap in that movie was real. It was all bullshit, all of it! I avoided seeing the second one after seeing the first one, the only joy I got from the first was the sounds of the charger in surround sound at the end :sunglasse

I hope no one makes the cars from the second movie, they were all crap really, the Yenko is already/has already been produced and the Challenger is still around, the Skylines just didn't do anything for me, how many of them looked exactly like each other?Unfortunately, I think they might do the second movie's cars :frown: Hopefully they won't get around to making them but I think they might try. :headshake

Unfortunately, I think they might do the second movie's cars :frown: Hopefully they won't get around to making them but I think they might try. :headshake

They already are. Expect their '69 Camaro in October. I'd be willing to bet that it's the recently re-released (and seriously godawful) '69 Camaro with a coupe body in a new box. Fortunately, Revell is reissuing their superb '69 Yenko at about the same time. That, dude, is what they call a no-brainer! :grinyes:

The question is still: if they do more of the 2F2F cars as kits, how good (or bad) will the engineering be on them? If they do an Evo, I don't doubt it will share the same haphazard engineering as their 1/18 diecast. If they dio Suki's Honda S2k, at least that looks somewhat better, but then again. unless the kit is as good as the Supra, I'll stick with my Tamiyas, thank you. As for the Skyline R34, we got plenty of good choices - Tamiya, Fujimi, and now Aoshima. AMT's kit will have to be spectacular in every way to even come close to any one of the Japanese offerings. I'm not banking on it, but I'm sure all of us would like to be pleasantly surprised.

The Revell '70 diecast is closer to the movie car, I think. It has a '70 body, decent '70 grille, and the daisy-spoke mags. For a tubbed chassis and wider tires,the chassis and tires from the AMT '70 Coronet Pro Street could be used with a bit of work..

They already are. Expect their '69 Camaro in October. I'd be willing to bet that it's the recently re-released (and seriously godawful) '69 Camaro with a coupe body in a new box. Fortunately, Revell is reissuing their superb '69 Yenko at about the same time. That, dude, is what they call a no-brainer! :grinyes:

The question is still: if they do more of the 2F2F cars as kits, how good (or bad) will the engineering be on them? If they do an Evo, I don't doubt it will share the same haphazard engineering as their 1/18 diecast. If they dio Suki's Honda S2k, at least that looks somewhat better, but then again. unless the kit is as good as the Supra, I'll stick with my Tamiyas, thank you. As for the Skyline R34, we got plenty of good choices - Tamiya, Fujimi, and now Aoshima. AMT's kit will have to be spectacular in every way to even come close to any one of the Japanese offerings. I'm not banking on it, but I'm sure all of us would like to be pleasantly surprised.

The RC2 booth at the hobby expo had a buildup of the RC2 '69 Yenko, it looked okay at best (not as bad as the old Monogram 1/24th creation) but who cares, the Revell one is about as perfect a model as can be created. :smokin:

RC2 showed pics of 1/24th Evo VII and Silvia S15 (Veilside??) and Eclipse Spyder from TF&T II, all diecast kits. Didn't even see anything about the reported plastic RX-7. The only plastic was reissued oldies, though at least if they make it to market they're not the same old crap they've been reissuing for too long. Their booth was pretty "disjointed" to say the least. Dub City had some sort of nearly 1/24th diecast Eclipse coupe (newer version), and a slightly cartoonish looking MR-S Spyder w/nearly the same body as the JGTC version...looked decent, but wish it looked more realistic. The only really good diecast I saw was GMP's excellent GNX and Grand Nationals, sweet indeed with killer details and working features. Testors showed cheapie diecasts of the Crossfire and Z4 (probably rebadged Red Box or Motor Max), and Welly has a a stock Delorean, all looked okay-the Delorean the best of the bunch. Plastic announcements were few and far between. I'm more interested in "Herbie the Love Bug" than another old muscle car, though the Coronet should be good...and John Mueller designed it.

if you want an accurate Charger from the movie its going to take alot of work to make that look like it, the only thing AMT did right was use the 69 body, the car had a 70 front clip, so the body is fairly close, but it might be smarter to take the body from the Revell 69 Charger, and take the front end of AMT kit, and put it on the Revell body, and sand the roof off, take the front grill off the Revell diecast 70, or better yet, find an original MPC 70, which is VERY PRICEY, for the undernieth needs a mini tub, and fat slicks, the rims are Crager SS's which can be found in bascally any Muscle car kit. the mini tub will have to be scratch built, use the Revell 69 Charger's undercharage, for the interior, can't remember the movie car 100% but I don't think it has a back seat, from what I can tell (and I may be wrong) the car has stock seats with a 4 point saftey harness, and a roll bar, so the Roll bar in the kit is fairly accurate, dash looks stock with a tech on top of the dash, I recommend using a Ross Gibson (Believe thats his name) 440 big block, and steel a blower from the Revell 41 Willy's, so thats my take on doing an accurate 69-70 Fast and Furious Charger

as for the 69 Camaro, the body will be the old MPC one so it going to be alot better and wait for the Revell Yenko Camaro to be rereleased, and accurate Torque thrusts can be found in alot of kits

The Revell '70 diecast is closer to the movie car, I think. It has a '70 body, decent '70 grille, and the daisy-spoke mags. For a tubbed chassis and wider tires,the chassis and tires from the AMT '70 Coronet Pro Street could be used with a bit of work..

Revell's diecast is a lot closer to the movie car. I don't know why they (the movie guys) did this, but the actual Charger(s) used in the movie had the '70 loop bumper up front, but had a '69 rear end and taillights. That's documented in Eddie Paul's book.

From what I've seen picture-wise, I don;t think the actual car(s) were tubbed, though it would make a nice model in any case...:)

The RC2 booth at the hobby expo had a buildup of the RC2 '69 Yenko, it looked okay at best (not as bad as the old Monogram 1/24th creation) but who cares, the Revell one is about as perfect a model as can be created. :smokin:{/QUOTE}

Yeppers, dude...and at least this time it won't be molded in Screaming Zonker Yellow! :tongue:

[QUOTE]RC2 showed pics of 1/24th Evo VII and Silvia S15 (Veilside??) and Eclipse Spyder from TF&T II, all diecast kits. Didn't even see anything about the reported plastic RX-7. The only plastic was reissued oldies, though at least if they make it to market they're not the same old crap they've been reissuing for too long. Their booth was pretty "disjointed" to say the least. Dub City had some sort of nearly 1/24th diecast Eclipse coupe (newer version), and a slightly cartoonish looking MR-S Spyder w/nearly the same body as the JGTC version...looked decent, but wish it looked more realistic. The only really good diecast I saw was GMP's excellent GNX and Grand Nationals, sweet indeed with killer details and working features. Testors showed cheapie diecasts of the Crossfire and Z4 (probably rebadged Red Box or Motor Max), and Welly has a a stock Delorean, all looked okay-the Delorean the best of the bunch. Plastic announcements were few and far between. I'm more interested in "Herbie the Love Bug" than another old muscle car, though the Coronet should be good...and John Mueller designed it.

A Silvia S15? Was that in 2F2F? I don't remember! Aw hell, the DVD comes out next week!:smile:

I would have thought they would have done the pink Honda S2K in 24th. In any case, I am very surprised that RC2's new stuff has not been listed anywhere, except for the kit listing on HHMB.

Seems the trend in tuner diecasts is for "exaggerated" versions like Muscle Machines and Dub City. I'm with you on that, kinda cool but wish they were more realistic.

If John designed those kits they will be must-haves, snappers or not. Bring 'em on!

there was a Silvia S15 in the original Fast and Furious, saw the RX-7 a couple weeks ago, but I did'nt buy it, but from what I can tell and i'm not an expert on Mazda Rotery engine cars but it looks fairly accurate

there was a Silvia S15 in the original Fast and Furious, saw the RX-7 a couple weeks ago, but I did'nt buy it, but from what I can tell and i'm not an expert on Mazda Rotery engine cars but it looks fairly accurate

If you're thinking of the burgundy car driven by Letty (Michelle Rodriguez), that was a US-spec 1996 Nissan 240SX (in Japan, a Silvia S14).

I have the diecast 1/24 RX-7. The wheels are decent and the rocket graphics are fairly well done, but the aero kit is too rounded and the screw-on posts (?) for the wing gotta go. If you really want to model the Toretto RX-7, start with Aoshima's VeilSide Combat II RX-7, which HAS the correct body kit.