'99 G20 P11

I had an incident last night in my not so MIGHTY G and a Honda. Lets just say when I got home I no longer want that car in my driveway. I found a black P11 "T" last night for $16Gz so I have some questions.

Any recalls?
Any problems with the car as I could make pages upon pages on my P10?
Anything i should look for when I buy?:devil:

What's wrong with it man? Just give me a brief run down. The P11 is heavier and will be a bit slower than the P10, so what's the problem. :)

This car has turned into a money PIT first off.
I had the fifth gear pop-out which I heard the p11's dont have. That was $1800 bucks last month for the tranny w/new clutch kit. As soon as the car came outta teh shop the brakes went r/r caliper, disc, pad. So I changed all four rotors and pads and fixed the caliper.
DID I MENTION NO LEATHER:(
Now the engine is what really got me going last night.
When the car is moving its fine. But when its at a dead stop that another problem. I smoked the Honda when he rolled up next to me with his resonator roaring up the road (Dropped it into second and left him in the rear view).Then we came to a stop light and the notorious p10 EGR/AIV or whatever the hell it is propblem occured. As the light turned Green I hit the gas and the car hit a flat spot the Honda darted off the line and noticed that I hadn't moved so he stopped then I started going. He saw me moving then he took off and the mighty g started bogging. Then I accelerated and the engine just wasn't pulling the way that it should. I am on my second '2-0 and they both act in the same manner.
DID I MENTION NO LEATHER:(

Plus I have wanted a P11 since the day I heard they were bringing it back. Although it will hurt me to get rif of my P10 I might have to do it if this problem aint fixed soon!:mad:

And the funny thing is when it took it to Bob Stephens at Mccowan/Sheppard they told me to change the plugs?????
Ummmn no! I told em it was more serious than that and they said they gotta start somewhere. So $300 later Im in the same place. I need a new car and a new service center.

Don't diss Bob, he's cool! he hooked me up with clear side repeaters :) - gonna go pick em up tomorrow! :D

There mechanics suck @$$ and Im going all the way downtown to get my car checked out. Yorkville or Woodchester?

I'm with you, mate, the P10 (my P10) is a junky piece of money eating japanese british built metal! I'm so mad at my car!

Brakes need addressing, and so does *all* of the suspension. Well, maybe not all of it, but still. And I don't really have the funds!

I want a P11-144 ... or a P12.

My susp. is shot in the rear. Whenever I go over rough road it sounds like I have coffee mugs in my trunk clattering aroung since last week.
did I mention the engine is shady?

the p10 will need to have parts replaced after 100,000 miles. at that point i had to replace the shocks, redo the cv boot, change the valve cover gaskets. it sounds like someone didn't take care of the engine. that engine should run for 200,000 miles with little overhaul. any car that is older than 7-8 years and over 100,000 miles will require a bit more maintenance. the p10 has been rated the most reliable car by consumer reports.

Damn, you all talk like your 10 year old car should be running strong. What do you expect from a car that old? Let me guess, you probably have over 100k miles as well, right? Were you the first owner? If not, then how do you know your car was treated right? You don't. Your P11 will be the same way in 10 years if not treated right. So you really cannot talk like all P10's are pieces of shit.

no problems with the P11 here, and i give it a good beating

Hey CanadianG,

I drove a '99 G20t before, and if you're looking for recalls/technical bulletins, check out ..

www.alldata.com (find the make/model and year).. should help w/ your question..

Cheers!
Xterrasesc

:D

I have 93k plus on my car and I drive it hard. No problems.

No probs with my 99' a little TLC and I do drive her hard with 77K.....

Does it have leather??? :devil:

P@
www.customsteel.com

My P10 has 103K miles and has never had a problem, never had 5th pop out, etc. . . I don't know what you're talking about. The SR20DE is one of the most reliable engines ever built. YOU MUST PERFORM ROUTINE MAINTAINENCE! Chaning your oil, etc. Any car that has over 100K miles is going to need some work. I need new half-shafts, but who cares, every car needs mainatinence. Besides, I've driven a P11, its a different beast than the P10 (this isn't neccesarily bad, nor good either), they each have their own strong points. You can't expect a 7 or 8 year old car to be perfect.

My 94 P10 is also currently falling apart.

CV-boots(Both Sides)torn, Heater Core is leaking, heater controls 1-3 not working,
flexpipe on my HS has a hole, and the engine is really tired...........

Oh yea, did I mention I am loving it!!!:D
Give it up for the P10, it is honestly the tightest

As soon as I make it out the driveway, she gets redlined over and over.
Over 100k and still screaming like a banshee at 6800RPM:flipa:

This is sad reading in here guys. I hope you guys start to have some better luck soon

I sold my pop charger this weekend and oddly enough my car performs way better with my stock airbox rather than with the so called performance optimized part. Go Figure?? I find that quite strange! Off the line acceleration is like day and night however it still needs to be tweaked but it's good news especially when I got my P11 insurance quote! OUCH, I'd hate to be gay cuz my anal would be in some serious pain!

It all depends how you treat your Car... My 91 P10 has 153K on it and still can smoke most hondas, with ease. Yes, you may find your self spending money to bring your car up to speed. But it beats a money payment.

Plus you get the satifaction of owning an infiniti...



:bandit:

Originally posted by CanadianG
I sold my pop charger this weekend and oddly enough my car performs way better with my stock airbox rather than with the so called performance optimized part. Go Figure?? I find that quite strange! Off the line acceleration is like day and night however it still needs to be tweaked but it's good news especially when I got my P11 insurance quote! OUCH, I'd hate to be gay cuz my anal would be in some serious pain!

i thought about changing to a p11 as well... saw a 99 for 13k down here in arizona- had 54k miles... not bad.

but- really though- i have a 93 p10 and it's worth maybe 4500 bucks... when you weigh in the costs involved- will it take the difference in costs 8,500 dollars (13k-4.5k=8.5k) to achieve the same levels of satisfaction on both cars?

like- stick with my 4,500 p10 and add a couple thousand to make it running really well...

or- drop the car and get a loan for 8,000 to get into a car that is heavier, slower, higher in insurance, and needless to say- i would be more worried about it because it costs so almost three times what the p10 is worth. and- the added thing of having a car payment... - ick.

stick w/ the p10...

mucho better.

c.

Originally posted by p_r_i_m_e_r_a
My 94 P10 is also currently falling apart...
...heater controls 1-3 not working...

You need a new fan resistor. It is under the glove box where the passengers feet go. Really easy to switch out. My friend just had to switch his out but I don't remember the price of the resistor was. Probably too much to worry about it.

If you do get a P11, you'll probably have to spend the same amount or more to put on the same mods that you have on your P10. Now add car payments and higher insurance on top of that. As for leather, you can have that done at a shop that specializes in custom interiors. When you do the math, the P10 will give a better value in the long run.:)
My .02$

The P11 may be heavier, but it is a lot less of a mechanical headache! The P10 has many suspension components which will go with time (upper links, lower A arms), don't forget about the CV joints/ half shafts, oh yeah did mention the injectors... Don't get me wrong I love the P10 but the P11 is way more advanced......::D

Originally posted by jtesensky
The P11 may be heavier, but it is a lot less of a mechanical headache! The P10 has many suspension components which will go with time (upper links, lower A arms), don't forget about the CV joints/ half shafts, oh yeah did mention the injectors... Don't get me wrong I love the P10 but the P11 is way more advanced......::D

This is exactly the reasins that I want to switch over. I also love the new body style, the climate control and the two tone leather in the latter year p11s. I love my P10 Dont get me wrong its just that mechanically I would be getting myself something more reliable. There aint many 10+year old cars around with less than 60k on 'em. Im just at a stalemate. I love my P10 but I drove a '91 last week and my car drives like a sack of sh!t next to this thing and it was completely stock. I dunno, maybe I'll leather her out put some tv's in the head rest drop in a turbo!!!:devil:

But at the same time if Im gonna invest why not do it on a newer G20.??? I dunno confusion is setting in and Stewart's Gettin upset:mad:

Originally posted by CanadianG
This car has turned into a money PIT first off.
I had the fifth gear pop-out which I heard the p11's dont have.

That is incorrect, I had the 5th gear pop out in my 99 P11. But the dealer fixed it. It was a couple years ago, while I was driving home from L.A. to the Bay Area.

You know CanandiaG I had the same thoughts you had a while back. Thought I wanted to get something else (P11, Legend, 325i), but I decided my car is pretty tight for a 9 year old car. It looks good, I've takin great care of it, and most of all--I own it(no payments). All the things you listed about the problems is natural. I don't care what car anyone has; with age and mileage, things will go wrong. I've replaced the cv thing, struts, brakes, and clutch in the past 2 years, but before that...not a thing. My starter died on me 3 weeks ago, so I ain't driving my G, it's still parked on the street. Wished I knew how to find it and replce it. Anyhow, if you really want to make the financial committment than go for it. I've 105thousand miles on my G, but its still running strong and the girls on campus sweat the G. Do whatever is in your best interest for you!:cool:

The SR20DE starter isn't that hard to replace. If you can get the car into the air (on a lift) it is exposed from the bottom. It is basically a unplug & unbolt, bolt up & plug in process. A factory starter isn't badly priced, you would be looking at $170.00 (after core rebate). If you have any questions you can e-mail me @ [email protected]....:)

Originally posted by TRBOBRK


You need a new fan resistor. It is under the glove box where the passengers feet go. Really easy to switch out. My friend just had to switch his out but I don't remember the price of the resistor was. Probably too much to worry about it.

....$16.00 on that resistor, it is a total home job don't even think about taking it in...;)

I've got a problem with trying to change it myself thought, my car is parallel parked on the street and I have no way of moving it till other people move there cars. Also, I can't get up in the air, I have no tools and jack stand s here at school. Now if I was at home, I think I could be able to pull it off. Anyhow, I think Iam gonna have to nut up and get it towed to a shop and get raped with some labor fees. Thanks for your help anyways:sun:

Originally posted by jtesensky
The P11 may be heavier, but it is a lot less of a mechanical headache! The P10 has many suspension components which will go with time (upper links, lower A arms), don't forget about the CV joints/ half shafts, oh yeah did mention the injectors... Don't get me wrong I love the P10 but the P11 is way more advanced......::D

For the P10's sake, I have to disagree. IMO Nissan built the P10 when R&D funds were flowing as hard as their wind tunnels. As for the suspension, i've had shops tell me "it looks bullet-proof" Advanced would be a P11 with a stock SR20VET, not P11 with an 11 year old SR20DE and some x-tra lbs. I still like the P11, but where's the oem awd?;):D

TRBOBRK thanks for the advice.

Originally posted by p_r_i_m_e_r_a


For the P10's sake, I have to disagree. IMO Nissan built the P10 when R&D funds were flowing as hard as their wind tunnels. As for the suspension, i've had shops tell me "it looks bullet-proof" Advanced would be a P11 with a stock SR20VET, not P11 with an 11 year old SR20DE and some x-tra lbs. I still like the P11, but where's the oem awd?;):D

TRBOBRK thanks for the advice.

This would be true excluding the fact the R&D is funded now more than ever (since '97). In 1997 Infiniti/Nissan made a big push within their R&D department due to the heavy losses they were seeing in warranty dollars. Since then they have actually been calling Dealers to send back failed parts in order for re-design, and re-production for pre assembly parts. Thus the P11 has less failed parts than the P10 (such as bushings in the suspension, and drive train components). Dealers have actually been forced to sell more customer pay repairs because the post 1997 produced models have less problems. This is also why you all may have seen increases in labor rates and/or parts pricing from your local dealerships.

Originally posted by JKdonger
You know CanandiaG I had the same thoughts you had a while back. Thought I wanted to get something else (P11, Legend, 325i), but I decided my car is pretty tight for a 9 year old car. It looks good, I've takin great care of it, and most of all--I own it(no payments). All the things you listed about the problems is natural. I don't care what car anyone has; with age and mileage, things will go wrong. I've replaced the cv thing, struts, brakes, and clutch in the past 2 years, but before that...not a thing. My starter died on me 3 weeks ago, so I ain't driving my G, it's still parked on the street. Wished I knew how to find it and replce it. Anyhow, if you really want to make the financial committment than go for it. I've 105thousand miles on my G, but its still running strong and the girls on campus sweat the G. Do whatever is in your best interest for you!:cool:

I will agree with you that the P10 I own is a years old and still looks PHATTED. Girlz luv it for real!!! HAHAHA. Its just that its not up to par anymore. I cant empahsize enough that when I test drove another p10 it blew mine outta tha water. So I know the engine in my G is weak!!
I'm thinkin turbo transplant. But why not a new car??
I started to get a lil' bit heated over the way the G was acting up so I decided to go P11 hunting yesterday. There are alot of extras on the P11 that my P10 aint equipped with. Climate Control is a 'sikk' feature plus the black on black leather. Although I prefer Red or White the Dark Black would do. It comes with side skirts a complete ground effects package. The touring package is amazing. My friends are pretty much into cars but they'd never seen a G20 besides the two that I owned (both P10's). When they saw the P11 they freaked out. This car is everything I want right now. The only turn off is the fact that I gotta go into debt and make monthly payments besides my insurance.

WHAT TO DO?????????
Are u P10 owners tellin me that if given the chance you wouldnt trade in for a P11?

Originally posted by CanadianG
Are u P10 owners tellin me that if given the chance you wouldnt trade in for a P11?

damn straight!

I totally agree with ya bro, trust me if I had the funds:D I would definately get a P11. In fact my sister has a 2001, auto though. The car is sick! Tan w/ two tone leather, climate control, power everything, the factory kit that looks like an aftermarket kit, phat audio system--needless to say her car is tight. Tell you the truth though, my 93.5 5spd p10 is faster and the only thing I have is a free flow cat, K&N air filter but I drilled 3 2inch holes in the factory air box, and 17 inch wheels. I agree with you about leather, I think if I didn't have it in my car--it wouldn't feel as luxurious. If you can afford that P11, "ROLL OUT!":sun:

Canadian G-

I use to work at a car dealership (3rd largest Honda dealership in the nation) and I've seen people come in and get slammed with high payments in addition to getting slapped with higher insurance rates and it is NOT a pretty sight...

Right now you've got a decent G20 that will go well if you take care of it. It's probably paid off and is nearing the 100k mark if not already over it. The car really just needs some normal maintenance and such.

I know what it's like to drive a fancy shmancy car and then have to jump into the p10... it's not that much fun (my parents own two 1998 Lexus's - GS4/GS3). But I think it DEFINITELY beats paying a huge car payment (because I don't have cash to be able to buy $16,000 car with cash yet), car insurance, and all the worry about where to park it so you don't get dinged.

Let's go over some numbers... I'll use my p10 as an example.

Let's say I find a 1999 p11 for around 16,000 US
My car, if I trade it into a dealer will be valued at like 3,500 MAXIMUM.
[1993 p10 with 102,000 miles, auto, moonroof, cd player, leather]

So right off the bat I'm looking at paying 12,500 for this p11.

A general rule in the car business to calculate monthly payments is to add 20-25 bucks for every thousand dollars that you finance. I have decent credit but for this example let's just say I have superior credit so we'll go with 20/month per thousand financed.

12.5 x 20 = 250 dollars/month for a car payment.

Insurance would cost me another 200/month easily because I'm young and I'd want to get FULL COVERAGE insurance with a high levels of coverage JUST in case the AF curse hits me.

So- right there we're talking $450 a month for this car. And this is in addition to all the worrying about the car getting dinged here and there in the parking lot wherever you go. If you were to spend just HALF that amount per month ($225) on your p10 by replacing this and maintaining this and that, your p10 would definitely last 200k miles. Hell- for $400 dollars you can probably ship a JDM engine to your house from California because there are shops that import them all the time.

The p10 is a good car. I've thought about swapping into a p11 before and that's why I know what it would cost me. For right now at age 23 and working two jobs (keeps me outta trouble with the ladies :D ) I know that I would rather put that money away for a down payment on a house instead of a car which is a DEPRECIATING ASSET...

My p10 has pretty much levelled off in depreciation with 102,000 miles, I can drive it 20,000 more miles and the car's worth wouldn't change that much. Our 1998 GS400 has 24,000 miles. If I were to pile on another 20,000 miles, you can bet your tush that the car's value would go down. And if we're talking Infiniti's here- they depreciate EVEN MORE!!

Which is why Infiniti of Scottsdale was discounting their NEW Q45's by 5,000 dollars if not more last year . (I don't know what it is this year, I haven't stopped by to look)

I dunno man- it's entirely up to you- but I will probably always have a p10 in my garage. Either as my main car or to putz around town in without worries. I have an auto right now- and I'm thinking a stick would be more fun. but - in due time, in due time... I need a house first.

:smoker:


-clifford

I've actually owned both a P10 and a P11. The P10 has better acceleration right out of the box, because in the US it weighs 400 pounds less. The P10 tends to feel more nimble in my opinion.
I really like the suspension setup of the P11 as it does not oversteer as much as the P10 can.
The clutch and brakes on the P11 are better than the P10.
I liked the cloth seats of my P10 better than the leather in the P11, but that's just personal preference!
If they're not doing so already, Infiniti is going to be dumping their remaining P11s at really low prices and cheep financing, so that should make getting one a lot easier. 5 years/60K of full warranty is cool too!
Don McLaurin
99 G20t

CanadianG
even if you do get a new car it's all about the rountine maintenance or it'll end up like your p10. the g's are so reliable if you just take care of it. nissan is a great car company. i got a '72 240Z and the motor is still in great shape even after all the years of abuse. Even my '73 240 Z's motor still runs and that's been sitting around forever. anyways it's your choice though so good luck and yeah, since the g35's are coming out, the dealers should be trying to move those p11's out.:D

Originally posted by platypus_g20t
CanadianG
even if you do get a new car it's all about the rountine maintenance or it'll end up like your p10. the g's are so reliable if you just take care of it. nissan is a great car company. i got a '72 240Z and the motor is still in great shape even after all the years of abuse. Even my '73 240 Z's motor still runs and that's been sitting around forever. anyways it's your choice though so good luck and yeah, since the g35's are coming out, the dealers should be trying to move those p11's out.:D

Id probably keep the P10 if I could figure out whhat the hell is wrong with the engine. Its totally laggin'. Hesitation off the line is terrible. I took it to the stealership figuring hey they built it they are the ones who can fix it. $400 later I had new sparkplugs????? Hmmm go figure. This is a nissan infiniti dealership. Did it fix the problem u ask? NO. Technician's answer we have to start from the basics. Hmmm, so after $4000 on engine service it will finally perform the same as if I were to buy a brand new engine for $2000?? Idiots. He also told me that he felt no hesitation from the car. Thats when I put my head down and said fukk it time for a P11. I'd keep the '10 if it was functioning properly tho!

Originally posted by CanadianG
Id probably keep the P10 if I could figure out whhat the hell is wrong with the engine. Its totally laggin'. Hesitation off the line is terrible. I took it to the stealership figuring hey they built it they are the ones who can fix it. $400 later I had new sparkplugs????? Hmmm go figure. This is a nissan infiniti dealership. Did it fix the problem u ask? NO. Technician's answer we have to start from the basics. Hmmm, so after $4000 on engine service it will finally perform the same as if I were to buy a brand new engine for $2000?? Idiots. He also told me that he felt no hesitation from the car. Thats when I put my head down and said fukk it time for a P11. I'd keep the '10 if it was functioning properly tho!

All I can say is in the future, do some research so you don't get stroked...... Buying a P11 will still get you the same powerplant wich means you'll still be paying the same idiots the same large sum of cash.