headers

hello everyone, I'm new to these fourms and fairly new to the world of import car engine mods. I was just wondering if there's a difference between 4-2-1 headers and 4-1 headers. What, if any, is the performance differance, and which do you recommend?

4-2-1 headers seem to improve low end power better than high end power and 4-1 headers improve high end power more but i've heard that they can cause you to lose low end power.
i personally would go with a 4-2-1 header

4-2-1 headers r better i think, they give u more torque n bottom end power

Reality Check: You drive a Honda, you don't have low end power anyway :lol2: I'd go with a 4-1, gives you more reason to take it to redline :sunglasse

Reality Check: You drive a Honda, you don't have low end power anyway :lol2: I'd go with a 4-1, gives you more reason to take it to redline :sunglasse

:werd: Everyone here is always 4-2-1, 4-2-1. Trying to make up power where Honda 's lack. Why not improve on where the power lies instead? :shakehead

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/355000-355999/355689_3.jpg 4-1

:werd: Everyone here is always 4-2-1, 4-2-1. Trying to make up power where Honda 's lack. Why not improve on where the power lies instead? :shakehead

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/355000-355999/355689_3.jpg 4-1
could be wrong but I thought that was a 4-2-1

This is what I thought was a 4-1
http://www.dcsports.com/4to1.html

could be wrong but I thought that was a 4-2-1

This is what I thought was a 4-1
http://www.dcsports.com/4to1.html

I swear, every time I post the pic of my header some one always says it's a 4-2-1. It's a 98 Spec JDM ITR 4-1 header!!!! Do your homework. I can pic that shit out by just seeing the OEM heatshield in an engine bay.

Here!!!

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/355000-355999/355689_3_full.jpg

http://store5.yimg.com/I/twincamtech_1755_2153346



http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t102974.html

I swear, every time I post the pic of my header some one always says it's a 4-2-1. It's a 98 Spec JDM ITR 4-1 header!!!! Do your homework. I can pic that shit out by just seeing the OEM heatshield in an engine bay.

Here!!!

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/355000-355999/355689_3_full.jpg

http://store5.yimg.com/I/twincamtech_1755_2153346



http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t102974.html

Woooow Can someone say A-S-S?! I said that I could be wrong since I am new to this as well...quit bein such a dick :screwy:

Woooow Can someone say A-S-S?! I said that I could be wrong since I am new to this as well...quit bein such a dick :screwy:

Wow can someone say Dumba** n00b. Before making dumbass comments why don't you people actually study up. Question of the day........." why post sh*t if you have no damn idea wtf you're talking about? " Don't take it personally. I wasn't just reffering to you alone. I was reffering to dumbsh*t's like you in general.

that first header definetly looks 4-2-1 to me. it goes from 4 pipes then 2 pipes and then the single pipe... 4-2-1(cant really see it that good though

that first header definetly looks 4-2-1 to me. it goes from 4 pipes then 2 pipes and then the single pipe... 4-2-1(cant really see it that good though
EXACTLY he gives no information on the header (brand) and when you look at the picture what does it look liek? 4-2-1...hrmm...and we're the dumbshits eh? :lol:

I swear, every time I post the pic of my header some one always says it's a 4-2-1. It's a 98 Spec JDM ITR 4-1 header!!!! Do your homework. I can pic that shit out by just seeing the OEM heatshield in an engine bay.



You know, honestly I was not serious but the more you post the more you guys look like idiots. I clearly stated here that it is my 98 spec JDM ITR header. That means in n00b terms that it is and OEM Honda exhaust manifold that comes on the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) ITR (Integra Type R). If you look on www.inlinefour.com you can get a better idea on what it is. So you ask what brand it is......HONDA. Many enthusiasts here will vouch for the fact that what I am stating is not BS and the flow characteristics is better than many USDM (United States Domestic market) headers due welds and the larger 2 1/2 inch collector. The same design specs on this OEM factory component are used on " race headers " you will find on many sites. So to answer your question, yes you guys are the dumbshits.

You know, honestly I was not serious but the more you post the more you guys look like idiots. I clearly stated here that it is my 98 spec JDM ITR header. That means in n00b terms that it is and OEM Honda exhaust manifold that comes on the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) ITR (Integra Type R). If you look on www.inlinefour.com you can get a better idea on what it is. So you ask what brand it is......HONDA. Many enthusiasts here will vouch for the fact that what I am stating is not BS and the flow characteristics is better than many USDM (United States Domestic market) headers due welds and the larger 2 1/2 inch collector. The same design specs on this OEM factory component are used on " race headers " you will find on many sites. So to answer your question, yes you guys are the dumbshits.
Never said I wasn't...I told you I was new to this and to correct me if I'm wrong...instead youjust completely flamed me...so I still stand with what I said...A-S-S :loser:

Well alright but the fact remains that this A-S-S just http://www.garagetuners.com/images/smilies/burn.gif and school'd you.

http://www.garagetuners.com/images/smilies/dienewbie.gif

Well alright but the fact remains that this A-S-S just http://www.garagetuners.com/images/smilies/burn.gif and school'd you.

http://www.garagetuners.com/images/smilies/dienewbie.gif

No doubt...you told me things I didn't know

You know, honestly I was not serious but the more you post the more you guys look like idiots. I clearly stated here that it is my 98 spec JDM ITR header. That means in n00b terms that it is and OEM Honda exhaust manifold that comes on the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) ITR (Integra Type R). If you look on www.inlinefour.com you can get a better idea on what it is. So you ask what brand it is......HONDA. Many enthusiasts here will vouch for the fact that what I am stating is not BS and the flow characteristics is better than many USDM (United States Domestic market) headers due welds and the larger 2 1/2 inch collector. The same design specs on this OEM factory component are used on " race headers " you will find on many sites. So to answer your question, yes you guys are the dumbshits.

Actually in the first reply which started this you said nothing of the sort and that picture doesn't show that it is 4-1 granted you have it typed at the lower right hand corner but the picture does look like a 4-2-1... in the next reply you show a better picture which is obviously 4-1... so don't get all bent out of shape because you posted a picture that didn't clearly show what you intended it to.

anyway calm down and lay off the new guy...

And T!mmy welcome to AF

Thanks dude...you're O.K. in my book :naughty: lol

Thanks dude...you're O.K. in my book :naughty: lol

He may be okay in your book and I may be an ASS but who serves more purpose here??? He says " welcome and B16EJ1's pics are too small " and I give you obviously needed info. Also, on the whole subject on my pics being too small.......All 4-2-1 headers are distinctly different in the down pipe portion of em or the tri Y area to 4-1 so even if the pic is small the difference is clear as day. No 4-2-1 is designed that way.

He may be okay in your book and I may be an ASS but who serves more purpose here??? He says " welcome and B16EJ1's pics are too small " and I give you obviously needed info. Also, on the whole subject on my pics being too small.......All 4-2-1 headers are distinctly different in the down pipe portion of em or the tri Y area to 4-1 so even if the pic is small the difference is clear as day. No 4-2-1 is designed that way.


well, your pictures aren't too small just a bad angle. and T!mmy said he didn't know anything about them so obviously he doesn't know that the downpipe part is different, and the tri-y part or whatever is the part that isn't clear in the picture.

And when it comes to who is more helpful, i would be more helpful but i also don't know everything about headers and never claimed to and am also trying to decide which are best for my car.

i'm leaning towards 4-1 dc sports.