W7 vs Solobaric L7

Im looking at spending a lot on my car system, and i've narrowed my choices down to the W7 and the Solobaric L7, which is the best. I'm looking for something that hits hard, but still sounds really crisp. Post all your opinions. Anyone a huge fan of the IDMAX?

im sure that almost every post is going to recomend the JL W7's they are quite killer speekers. ive got W6's in my ZX and cheep ass pyrimid crap in my impreza for now.

I don't like kicker

what size are you thinking of? i have played with all 3 of those subs.

Thats a no contest!

The W7 sells for more than twice as much!

The W7 will kill the L7 in every way imaginable... but you also pay for it...

the jl W7's are the king of subs basically.don't be distracted by the ugly square L7's they don't even compare.

I disagree about JL being the king of subs, but that is just me.

what do you think is the "king of subs"

what do you think is the "king of subs"

Well, this is my opinion and only my opinion, but I like Audiobahn's subs. I like Diamond Audio stuff also. Those are my 2 fav. brands atm.

what diamond sub is going to compare to the w7 the tdx's hhmm i think not and audiobahn unless you only want spl they are not the ticket..

after getting this eD12A I don't think I'll ever go to another sub again, it is by far the best sub I've heard (both SQ and SPL).

The IDmax is a very nice sub. It has a nice blend of loud and SQ. I heard one in 2.85 CUFT box hit 145. I'm getting one. I wouldn't spend any money on audiobahn. I just don't like them. Also, some other brands you might want to look into
Elemental designs, Adire, Digital Designs, RE, Shocker, Beyond audio....just to name a few. Good luck.
Kevin

after getting this eD12A I don't think I'll ever go to another sub again, it is by far the best sub I've heard (both SQ and SPL).

how much are they?

elemental designs (http://www.edesignaudio.com/miva/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=e12A22&Category_Code=ASD)
the 12A.22 is $295.00 off of that site, i would have bought one myself if the setup i wanted wasn't so expensive. :banghead: thats what you get i guess for wanting nothing but the best
ps what do the stars by your username signify, thanks

the eDesign 12A runs about 260 dollars if my memory serves me

it's 295 like IIwhitexb0iII said, plus about 30 for shipping (it's facking heavy)
then you have to get a 600-1200rms amp to power it nicely
then sound deaden your car before unscrews itself and you car falls apart while driving :D

but seriously, for $600 for sub and amp you can't do better, although Resonant Engineering comes close.


and stars are a level of how cool you are, I have 3, that means I'm "extra cool". Haibane is "crazy cool" with 4

which RE are you talking about. personaly i think that the XXX QVC will beat the edesign in SQ probably not SPL they have another thats going to be all about SPL but i donbt its going to sound that great.

12" thunder 9000 (think that is it) it has a 50+ pound magent loud as fuck or the mtx thunder 8000 is sick too, w7 are overpriced and overrated

12" thunder 9000 (think that is it) it has a 50+ pound magent loud as fuck or the mtx thunder 8000 is sick too, w7 are overpriced and overrated

The magnet i believe is only about 35lbs.

in terms of musical performance, the MTX 9500 does not even come close to the W7. i wouldn't say overrated since its probably one of the top 5 subwoofers that exist in the car audio world.

the MTX uses a SGLC designs. i can bet its has a parabolic BL curve. the further the driver moves, the more distortion u will get. BL drops off quickly, where as the JL W7 can maintain most of its motor force throughout the displacement range. and if thats not enough, the MTX's KMS curve is probably parabolic too.

but who am i to say who would buy what? :)

12" Stereo Integrity Magnum D2- $300 shipped


its probably one the best valued sub right now. of course thats what i think. will suffice in a 1.5 cubic feet ported box. actually thats recommended. sealed takes .8 cubic feet or so for an alignment of .707 (like it matters anyways..lol)

which RE are you talking about. personaly i think that the XXX QVC will beat the edesign in SQ probably not SPL they have another thats going to be all about SPL but i donbt its going to sound that great.

what I've heard from many people is that with equal power the 12A takes the XXX in SQ and they're pretty much equal in SPL, but the XXX can take more power, and when you feed it 1500rms or so it gets louder than the 12A, but is still beat in SQ


and GSteg is right, the D2 is a very very good sub

Ok, here goes my little advice on your question. ok to start lets look at the performence of each sub...
W7: Recomended RMS:900 and Peak: 2000
Solo Baric L7: recomended RMS:750 Peak:1500
W7 db: 92.43
L7 db:89.53
(the decibal rang of each sub varries with applications)
now lets compare the pricing:
W7's rang from anywhere from $499, too $1000
L7's can rang from $175 to $400
Also when you think about buying a sub(s) you have to think about what you going to need to power your subs, and the the optimum performence out of everything.
One W7 is recomended to be used with a 1400 watt amp (1 ohm stable mono)
One L7 is recomended to be used with a 1200 watt amp (1 ohm stable mono)
In the long run a L7 is going to be much cheaper the the "king of Subs"
But also think about this... its all amater of oppinon. Right now i have running 2 12'' solobaric l7's hooked up to a kicker KX 1200.1 amp, my sytem in total proly cost about $1500 with head unit subs, amp,wireing,cap,mdf for the box. I've also hade the pleasure of beating 4 rockfordfasgate subs in a SPL comp, i ran 135 he ran 113...
Basicly man the L7 you get a big bang for the little amount of money you spend...
and its not like your going to want to peak out your subs, lol... either way with any sub you choose to get your ears are going to be hurting...
dont listen to people when they say to go out and buy the jl w7, Most of these people are going off the rummors they hear. i bet only 1 or 2 people have turely heard the w7... Take my advice... theres not much of a diffrence in the 2 other then the shape... but this is only a oppinion, but i've hade the please to install both... and my vote goes with the Solo Baric L7

also if your looking for a big ass sub, look at the kicker Solo X, 5000 watts recomened and 10000 watts peak. another "big magnet sub" is the audiophonix... nice 50 pound magnet

If you are looking for a big sub, look at db monkey also, there are some other SPL oriented subs like the MT or the Elemental Designs 15 that they made a while back, but that is hard to come by. Also, there are a lot more, I just don't know the names of the top of my head. Kicker's solo x pales in comparisson to true SPL oriented subwoofers.

i think one RE xxx in a abc box should be enough, tho it cost a grip

i think one RE xxx in a abc box should be enough, tho it cost a grip


God that would be one retardedly huge box, but it would be so loud :)

Ive heard an 8w7 but not a bigger onw sounds good gets loud but the price tag makes you want to vomit. I would much rather get an xxx or magnum. Most of all I would want a brahma 15. Definately would top the w7.

Ive heard an 8w7 but not a bigger onw sounds good gets loud but the price tag makes you want to vomit. I would much rather get an xxx or magnum. Most of all I would want a brahma 15. Definately would top the w7.

man, your gonna get flamed for sayin that.....

FLAME FLAME, I like the W7s, I like the magnums, I like elemental, I like adire, and I love RE.

I think of those, magnum and elmental win SQ though.

Shear SQ though, Image dynamics.

I resently just bought a L7 an a L5. They hit so hard that my trim on my windows and some of my planeling in the inside of my car are coming loose from the base.

it is bass, and that is not very hard at all...

I have 2 12" l7's. I can hit around 150-151 when i turn my gains up. Constant 147 on the streets id say. Check it out. http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=674005&cat=25&val=1

companies that cost less and IMO are better than JL and Kicker.

-Digital Designs (DDaudio, yes i admit it i am a DD head)
-Resonant Engineering (RE audio): By far better than JL in more ways than one. as a matter of fact i would call an XXX 15 king of SQ and up ther in the SPL and an HF 18 king of SPL...with the DD 9900 and 9500 not far behind
-Brahama: ya pretty much everything of theirs is better then JL also...they are one of theos subs that are made for SQ and SPL is just by product when you put the power to them.
-Crystal Audio: i like crystal audio more for thei componet sets and amps. but their subs pack a punch too and cost less.
-TruTech: though they are an amplifiers their amps could probably be deemed best Tube amps, best Class D mono block, and pretty darn good SQ A/B amps.

thoes are just a few. if you are looking for SQ but will enjoy getting loud JL is the way to go. if all yo uare looking to do is raddle your windsheild out of place and shadder your rear window the L7's or Audiobahn is the way to go. give a budget and im sure there are people (including myself) that will give yo ua system withing budget better than what you will get with JL or Kicker.

cbFryman, i think about 90% of people that have good knowledge of the XXX would say that it is NOT an SQ sub, even though it is good, it is more of an SPL subwoofer

no it's a SQ sub, with the ability to get very loud

just like the brahma, except slightly more spl-oriented, though the difference is very minimal

:lol: snb778... :rofl: Just because a woofer is often used in SPL set ups doesnt mean that the company designed it to be a SPL woofer. yes the XXX will get extremely loud (1 10" has been known to hit 145+ dB). but RE is focused on makeing good bass that is also loud. the XXX is often used as an SQ woofer because it can keep up with high quality componet sets yet doesnt smear or "boom" like an SPL woofer. it is used as an SPL woofer because it does give a flat responce. so there fore it is very versitile and can be used in many different vehicles because it will perform at almost any vehicles resonant frequincy. RE's only SPL oriented woofer is the HF. the HF is a monstor of a woofer. i think my beloved DD was shaking in their boots worrying that they would have to bring back the 9900 to keep up with RE. but even though the HF is SPL oriented it stil lgives a very flat responce. the reason it is an SPL oriented woofer is beause it isnt as effecient as the XXX (even thouhg the xx is al lthat effecient either) but the HF will handle massive ammounts of RMS power. there was a show car down in daytona with three HF's. each had a Trutech Sledge Hammer 3000w RMS amp on each coil. but anyway the XXX is a great SQ woofer that happens to be loud just like the other companies (except for DD which is a company who looks to be lou and good sound is a byproduct) i listed.

Sounds good then, Ive just seen a lot of people on this site say that the Brahma is more SQ that gets very loud, and the XXX is an SPL sub that has great SQ when the box is built right, but is more SPL based. But im not sure, you know your shiznit more than me so..ill take your word for it

FYI the XXX and the Brahma are both the same basic woofer. the same exact driver, same basic suspension, similar dustcaps, similar cones, they even look like. same basket as well. the only major difference is the brahma has the bull and the XXX has XXX. the price is even aprox the same.

Can people please stop bringing back really frickin dead posts. Like a year OLD.

a little less than 2 months to be exact, i just though i would add that in after he relpied to the dead thread.

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Believe that was last year

well last pot in it before it wast brought back :p

FYI the XXX and the Brahma are both the same basic woofer. the same exact driver, same basic suspension, similar dustcaps, similar cones, they even look like. same basket as well. the only major difference is the brahma has the bull and the XXX has XXX. the price is even aprox the same.

Very different motor (I'm guessing by "driver" you meant motor), different suspension, dustcap is cosmetic only, and they do both have paper cones, but then again so does just about any other subwoofer cone out there.

They have a similar power handling, similar excursion, and both have xbl^2, other than that they're pretty different.

If I were you i would either get Two Kover Armegeddon 15s or two cerwin vega stroker 18s, neither jl nor kicker can compare to either of those subs.

If I were you i would either get Two Kover Armegeddon 15s or two cerwin vega stroker 18s, neither jl nor kicker can compare to either of those subs.


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Look at the date..... and umm SHUT UP

i like kicker kicker hits hard

i aught to kick you in da nutz