Help with a 91 Eclipse

I have a few questions. I just bought a 91 eclipse for 200$ the tranny houseing has been cracked and twisted it looks like mabey a mount is bad well i just got a tranny from a u-pull-it junk yard i hope it fits lol i know 91 made 2 diff trannys 1 with a 22 tooth and one with a 23 tooth spline but my question is this its had a upper engine rebuild and on the valve cover it says 1.8 that someone wrote but the sticker on the hood says 2.0 well i pulled a 1.8 tranny do these engines have the same block?? and can i do a head swap to make it a dohc?? this is my frist post so plz some one help :) ty

Is there a visual way to tell witch engine it is in there the 2.0 or 1.8 ?? i hope they didnt do a swap lol also ima new to dsm but whats the deal with the 1.8 and 2.0 are they the same block with diff heads or something to that effect ?? and if mine does have the 1.8 should i just junk it lol is it realy worth trying to get power out of this is my first import im messing with so and comments will help :) thanx

Yeah the 1.8 is garbage. The 2.0 says DOHC on the valve cover with the spark plug wires running down the middle of the valave cover. The 1.8 has the spark plug wires near the back of the V/C. I'm sure they are different blocks, and I'm almost 100% the 2.0 head doesn't bolt on.

Yes it seems it does have the POS 1.8, but i alreay bought it and i payed 200$ for it and 35$ for the tranny witch aint to bad. Ill prolly just sell it for 1000$ real quick to someone who need a good running car. Ohh it also have a rebuilt head so that might make it sell quicker but thanx for the help. Ill still be around posting because i might pull a 2.0 at the junk yard for 125$ and 50$ core charge :) cheap and do a engine swap. The car is in real good shape might be worth it to swap motors. What do ya think?

Yeah the 1.8 is garbage. The 2.0 says DOHC on the valve cover with the spark plug wires running down the middle of the valave cover. The 1.8 has the spark plug wires near the back of the V/C. I'm sure they are different blocks, and I'm almost 100% the 2.0 head doesn't bolt on.

I don't think the 1.8L is garbage, it was a cheap alternative for someone to have a nice car, but a good economy car at the same time. As for the power, yes 92 horsepower is quite low. But the engine was cutt back hard core from potential. If anyone can remember back the 4G32/G32B were turbocharged SOHC 8 valve engines. These were before the 4G63, and shown an okay potential. The 1.8L is the same engine with 9:1 pistons, a lower rating oil pump, higher flowing cylinder head, and higher displacement then the G32B/4G32. The stroke, crank, rods, and everything else is exactly the same. This engine was turbo at one time, just a better engine was produced with greater results. If it were never to come, who knows if the 4G32 would have been the powerhouse for the 1G Eclipse.

Yeah the 1.8 is garbage. The 2.0 says DOHC on the valve cover with the spark plug wires running down the middle of the valave cover. The 1.8 has the spark plug wires near the back of the V/C. I'm sure they are different blocks, and I'm almost 100% the 2.0 head doesn't bolt on.

Actually , I've read of a few DOHC head swaps on the 1.8's. Dunno actually if it was BS or not. :confused: Also , supposedly , the 4G63 crank can be added to stroke it to a 2.0. I don't really know enough about the 1.8 to know if thats possible or not , though. :thumbsup:

Actually , I've read of a few DOHC head swaps on the 1.8's. Dunno actually if it was BS or not. :confused: Also , supposedly , the 4G63 crank can be added to stroke it to a 2.0. I don't really know enough about the 1.8 to know if thats possible or not , though. :thumbsup:

No, the 1.8L has different sleeves then the 2.0, and it is skinnier. It won't work. End of discussion.

It won't work. End of discussion.

Well thanks for gracing us with your infinite knowledge. :rolleyes: This attitude really annoys me. Especially when one calls a smaller bore dimension a "skinnier sleeve." ;) Maybe I'm just on the rag today, who knows...

Well thanks for gracing us with your infinite knowledge. :rolleyes: This attitude really annoys me. Especially when one calls a smaller bore dimension a "skinnier sleeve." ;) Maybe I'm just on the rag today, who knows...

:) I think you have had alittle too much caffine. But if it makes you feel any better, I can blame it on your stupidity with 1.8's. You probably thought the heads would work :) And I wasn't talking about the sleeves being skinnier, I am talking about the WHOLE block being skinnier. For those who get confused, I guess I need to explain in more detail.

:) I think you have had alittle too much caffine. But if it makes you feel any better, I can blame it on your stupidity with 1.8's. You probably thought the heads would work :) And I wasn't talking about the sleeves being skinnier, I am talking about the WHOLE block being skinnier. For those who get confused, I guess I need to explain in more detail.

Dont confuse my potential "stupidy" with 1.8s with your stupidity for owning one, or the excercise in futility that is trying to mod one ;) But back to the matter at hand, I believe RockinWRX was thinking of poeple using the 4g63 head/4g64 block hybrid perhaps. I've never heard anyone doing the 4g63 head on the 1.8, but then again, who would waste the time. I still think you mean to mention the bore dimension is smaller, not the sleeves are skinnier. But if you dnt know what you are trying to say, how should I be able to figure it out ;)

Infact, since you have said that statement, from this day forward I will continue to build this engine to run faster times then yours :)

Holy fuck dude, 95GSXracer hasn't even posted anything about the 1.8. He corrected you, when you used the term skinnier, is that technical term I havent heard of? If you meant to say the whole block was skinnier you should have sad more narrow, or even said the head bolts in the block won't match the 2.0L head. And yes I get confused when you use a vague description like that. Mabey your the one who needs an attitude adjustment, just because you have "one of the first" 1.8 Turbos out there doesnt mean your king shit.

I believe Narrow and Skinny are the same definition. If I were to say more Narrow, I would infact would have thought of the sleeves. 95 GSX doesn't know shit about a 1.8L, and should stay off posts when concerned about a 1.8 4G37. Let the ones who actually built the engine to help others. As for you, my 1.8L Garbage may be the next worry against you on the track. :)

So skinny sleeves is the new technical term for the bore diameter of a 1.8 4G37?

Not once did 95GSXracer say anything technical about the 1.8, both RockinWRX and I said something.

Sure your car maybe fast, I'm up for a challenge, but I bet I spent way less money than you did achieving the same goals

So skinny sleeves is the new technical term for the bore diameter of a 1.8 4G37?

Not once did 95GSXracer say anything technical about the 1.8, both RockinWRX and I said something.

Sure your car maybe fast, I'm up for a challenge, but I bet I spent way less money than you did achieving the same goals

We are totally getting off topic on this post, but I will reply with this last statement.

My goals are totally off your goals. My goal started when I changed the engine from a Natural Aspirated engine to a Turbocharged engine. THe day I have this engine run low 11's will be a miracle. ANd the day I do that, you can gaurantee that even though I have spent more money they will look at my setup more superior then yours.

Yep more superior becase you are god :lol:

The day I have this engine run low 11's will be a miracle.

The day you get that engine to run low 14's without blowing up will be a miracle. Sorry I ever offered you any kind of advice. Coming to a board and asking for help and then treating your responders this way is a sure-fire way of getting called this: :loser: and this: :newbie:

Oh , and BTW.............. :gives:

The day you get that engine to run low 14's without blowing up will be a miracle. Sorry I ever offered you any kind of advice. Coming to a board and asking for help and then treating your responders this way is a sure-fire way of getting called this: :loser: and this: :newbie:

Oh , and BTW.............. :gives:


It seems like you are an ignorant car builder, and with your advice you seem to not know your ass from a hole in the ground. The "offer" you and 95 GSX both gave me was WRONG. You both thought the 4G37 acts like the 4G63, but this engine runs on a more mechanical base, and doesn't need to be babied. As for you, the day I run 11's, I will take it to your house and have you race me. And the day I do that is next year, so expect me at your door step. :) Have a good day.

'90 Galant GSX , AWD , 5spd. Waiting on an engine swap.

By the way, that would be a VR-4 dip shit.

'90 Galant GSX , AWD , 5spd. Waiting on an engine swap.

By the way, that would be a VR-4 dip shit.

wrong again Mr. 1.8 guru.
The Galant VR-4 was only made in 91 and 92.

please. stick to your 1.8.

'90 Galant GSX , AWD , 5spd. Waiting on an engine swap.

By the way, that would be a VR-4 dip shit.


Galants did not even come to Canada and I know the difference between a GSX and VR4.

You truely are a dipshit :banghead: :loser:

It seems like you are an ignorant car builder, and with your advice you seem to not know your ass from a hole in the ground. The "offer" you and 95 GSX both gave me was WRONG. You both thought the 4G37 acts like the 4G63, but this engine runs on a more mechanical base, and doesn't need to be babied. As for you, the day I run 11's, I will take it to your house and have you race me. And the day I do that is next year, so expect me at your door step. :) Have a good day.

'90 Galant GSX , AWD , 5spd. Waiting on an engine swap.

By the way, that would be a VR-4 dip shit.

I'll be waiting. And what do you mean the 4G37 runs on a more mechanical base....... :rolleyes: All engines use crankshafts , connecting rods , pistons , valves etc. Thats pretty damm mechanical. And the 4G63 doesn't need to be babied either , in fact the 89-92 versions can run 500 Hp out of the box. I seriously doubt your engine can do that.
And since you obviously know NOTHING about Galants , and DSM's in general , I guess I need to explain the fundamental differences between a Galant VR4 and a Galant GSX to you. :loser:
The Galant VR4 has the turbo 4G63 , and AWS , and AECS. The Galant GSX is non-turbo , and has none of the other components , but still AWD. The only non-turbo AWD car Mitsubishi sold here , in fact. Its one step below the GVR4 on the options ladder. Easily converted to turbo , and being a simple AWD arrangement , it will take all the other components that the E/T/L cars have.
Seems to me you don't know jack about your own car , so don't go telling others that they don't know about theirs. :nono:

Whoa whoa whoa..
It seems to be getting a little hostile in here...
lol, I'm just here to keep the peace. As long as you all relax, we should all be fine. :)

I'll be waiting. And what do you mean the 4G37 runs on a more mechanical base....... :rolleyes: All engines use crankshafts , connecting rods , pistons , valves etc. Thats pretty damm mechanical. And the 4G63 doesn't need to be babied either , in fact the 89-92 versions can run 500 Hp out of the box. I seriously doubt your engine can do that.
And since you obviously know NOTHING about Galants , and DSM's in general , I guess I need to explain the fundamental differences between a Galant VR4 and a Galant GSX to you. :loser:
The Galant VR4 has the turbo 4G63 , and AWS , and AECS. The Galant GSX is non-turbo , and has none of the other components , but still AWD. The only non-turbo AWD car Mitsubishi sold here , in fact. Its one step below the GVR4 on the options ladder. Easily converted to turbo , and being a simple AWD arrangement , it will take all the other components that the E/T/L cars have.
Seems to me you don't know jack about your own car , so don't go telling others that they don't know about theirs. :nono:


Your spouting BS. You are wrong about the AECS. But that has been discussed in another thread (locked becasue of your ignorance and stubborness -- as stated by a moderator).

Your spouting BS. You are wrong about the AECS. But that has been discussed in another thread (locked becasue of your ignorance and stubborness -- as stated by a moderator).

Well , as your title says , "AF Newbie" and so your mindless posts will be ignored........... :loser:

Newbie? So where did you read again that the US spec. Galants have AECS? You my friend are wrong......
http://www.dsm.org/cars/galant.htm
http://automotive-links.com/mak/mit/gal.htm
http://www.geocities.com/cawimmer430/vr4.html
http://www.gvr4.com/info.html

Newbie? So where did you read again that the US spec. Galants have AECS? You my friend are wrong......
http://www.dsm.org/cars/galant.htm
http://automotive-links.com/mak/mit/gal.htm
http://www.geocities.com/cawimmer430/vr4.html
http://www.gvr4.com/info.html


Funny how my FACTORY manual says they do , and gives details on how to fix it , and test it. Everyone always insists that I am wrong , but they can offer no proof other than "I know about 20 guys with GVR4's and none of them have it." When does the word OPTION start to sink in? If it was standard ALL the models would have it. I even know that they all do not. But everyone keeps insisting that it does not even exist on the US spec cars. THEN HOW COME MY FACTORY MANUAL ISN'T IN JAPANESE? :screwy:

??? My ford f150 manuel had three different engines in it? Yea so the manuel says. But when I look under the hood it only has one engine. You don't even have a vr-4, no US spec. galant vr-4 has AECS. And not one has the option to have it either? So, does the (JDM) Galant vr-4 version that has the AECS have leather? No it doesn't but the mauel says some come with leather, but only the US spec models had leather the rest had cloth interiors.... Have you enven seen a vr-4? I really can't believe you know so little about Galants and DSM's in general... So I bet you think galants are DSM's.......

And as for proof, why don't you show us what US spec has AECS......

Standard Equipment on the US Galant VR-4
This is a list of most of the important equipment that is standard on the VR-4. Of course the car comes with doors and silly stuff like that.

turbo-charged, intercooled, Mitsubishi 16-valve 2.0 litre engine rated at 195 hp @ 6000 rpm and 203 lb-ft of torque @ 3000 rpm
five-speed manual overdrive transmission
four-wheel independant suspension
four-wheel disk brakes with anti-lock feature (two-channel)
full-time all-wheel-drive with a center viscous coupler (indefinitely variable with a standard 50/50 torque split)
power-assist speed-sensative four-wheel steering (same-phase up to 1.5 degrees, above 30 mph) - with a "4WS" sticker for the rear window.
power-assist windows (with driver's side "auto down"), door locks, mirrors, and radio antenna
full function cruise control
speed-variable windshield wipers (with intermittent feature)
leather seating surfaces (driver's seat has 3-position lumbar support)
security system
ETR AM stereo/FM stereo/casette/graphic equalizer sound system with 6 speakers and auxiliary CD input (ETR AM/FM stereo cassette w/6 speakers was standard in '91)
Projector-type fog lights
carpetded floor mats
rear window defogger
15x6.0 JJ color-keyed cast aluminum alloy wheels (8-spoke for '91; 5-spoke for '92) with 195/60R15 Bridgestone Potenza RE88 tires (H-rated in 1991 and V-rated in 1992)
available in a limited number of colors: Nile Black Metallic, Summit White, or Belize Green Metallic for '91. Kensington Grey Metallic was added for the 1992 model.
Rear spoiler with LED high-mount stop light
driver-selectable instrument panel backlight
leather wrap steering wheel and shifter knob
special limited edition badge on dash board that states the car's number (n of 2000 for '91 or n of 1000 for '92), special limited edition key fob with car's number, and special leather auto document holder.

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Factory Options available on the Galant VR-4
This is the list of options available from the factory for the Galant VR-4.

ETR AM/FM stereo/cassete/graphic equalizer with compact disk player and 6 speakers (ETR AM stereo/FM stereo/cassette/graphic equalizer w/6 speakers and auxiliary jack for portable CD player was optional for the '91 model)
Power sliding glass sunroof with integral sliding sunshade

??? My ford f150 manuel had three different engines in it? Yea so the manuel says. But when I look under the hood it only has one engine. You don't even have a vr-4, no US spec. galant has AECS. And not one has the option to have it either? So, does the (JDM) Galant version that has the AECS have leather? No it doesn't but the mauel says some come with leather, but only the US spec models.... Have you enven seen a vr-4? I really can't believe you know so little about Galants and DSM's in general... So I bet you think galants are DSM's.......

No , I know they are not because they were built in Japan. DSM 's were built here. Thats junior DSM knowledge. But they are considered a part of the DSM line by most DSM'ers. Several guys in the local DSM club have VR4's. But funny how none of them claim to be member's of GalantVR4.org. And so what if I don't have a GVR4? I have a GGSX , which IS one step below it on the options ladder. Sorry if mine doesn't have turbo , which I know this is what all this is about. I know how DSMer's are , they treat the NT guys like dirt. And you say for certain no US spec Galant has AECS , but I know for a fact you are wrong , because one of the local DSM'ers has an AECS equipped Galant the same year as mine.

BS I want pictures.... Unless it's a JDM no dice. You do know you are talking about the electronic suspension right? Not the box that controls the power sunroof, maybe your getting tyour terminology wrong.....

And as for proof, why don't you show us what US spec has AECS......

I'll look it up and post tommorrow. Its 4 am , I'm going to bed.

BS I want pictures.... Unless it's a JDM no dice. You do know you are talking about the electronic suspension right? Not the box that controls the power sunroof, maybe your getting tyour terminology wrong.....

To my knowledge AECS means "Active Electronically Controlled Suspension" And you expect me to find this guy and take pics of his car? :screwy: And I know its not a JDM spec , because some younger kid owns it. Unless his parents imported it just for him. :rofl:

You said local CO DSMer has one. So is this person part of CODSM? I know most of the Galant owners who belong to this. If so please direct us to their web page. I repeat NO US spec. Galant vr-4 has electonic controlled suspension, it was never even an option.....Please give us some names of these car owners who supposedly own a US galant vr-4 with AECS, I would like to see some pictures and talk with them....................

In fact here is my JDM with AECS, I can post pics of my two US cars if nessary......

I will as many others will; be awaiting the pictures and or names of these people who own a US spec Galants vr-4 with AECS. You don't need to take pictures, just let us know where they are located, if you haven't noticed there are about 6 galant vr-4 owners that live in the Denver area. I will give you all my Galants if you are right......................................

And you say for certain no US spec Galant has AECS , but I know for a fact you are wrong , because one of the local DSM'ers has an AECS equipped Galant the same year as mine.


Sorry just read this? Umm thought you had 90 GSX? And a local owns the same year Galant vr-4 as you that has AECS? I hope your not saying they made US vr-4's in 1990?? Are you???

Well ima newbie with dsm's but i have worked on cars for 7 years mostly older chevys but what i have to say is this it seems with rockin is realy realy wrong about his advice and knowledge about everything ive seen like 20 - 30 people saying everything he says is bullshit witch i know is true i since ive done my reserch through my company about everything he says and he is wrong i have service disks that tell everything about a car with pics sooo i will never take what he says for truth is seems like hes 15 and dont know shit but wants people to think he does and that can cost people alot of trouble and waisted time i think he should not post until he reads up and gets his facts strait thank god i never took his advice lol thanx all who know what the hell their talking about and helping others who just wanna learn

yeh i completly agree with you thier

Well ima newbie with dsm's but i have worked on cars for 7 years mostly older chevys but what i have to say is this it seems with rockin is realy realy wrong about his advice and knowledge about everything ive seen like 20 - 30 people saying everything he says is bullshit witch i know is true i since ive done my reserch through my company about everything he says and he is wrong i have service disks that tell everything about a car with pics sooo i will never take what he says for truth is seems like hes 15 and dont know shit but wants people to think he does and that can cost people alot of trouble and waisted time i think he should not post until he reads up and gets his facts strait thank god i never took his advice lol thanx all who know what the hell their talking about and helping others who just wanna learn


you might have a point there, but please, next time, can you add some punctuation? i hate reading a sentence with 1000 words in it.

In fact here is my JDM with AECS, I can post pics of my two US cars if nessary......

i know nothing about the AECS, so what exactly in that pic IS the AECS? or more appropriately, the controls for the AECS

Look below the dash vents. Looks like a stereo......

Keep the Galant chat in the fuckin Galant forum :nono:

Keep the Galant chat in the fuckin Galant forum :nono:


Umm yeah ok; Such a way with words. Thanks for adding to this thread all your valuable information has helped us all, Thank you so much.......

Umm yeah ok; Such a way with words. Thanks for adding to this thread all your valuable information has helped us all, Thank you so much.......


What do any of your posts have to do with an Eclkipse 1.8? Like I said take the Galant chat to the fuckin Galant section :screwy:

I was just correcting the mis-information. And supplied some valuable info that many of you obviously don't know. This thread is open for all of the 90,000 members to use, I believe you would call it freedom of speech.....

Sorry just read this? Umm thought you had 90 GSX? And a local owns the same year Galant vr-4 as you that has AECS? I hope your not saying they made US vr-4's in 1990?? Are you???

No , his car is not a VR4. I think I woulda mentioned that if it were. Like Talon said , keep it in the damm Galant forum. :screwy:

I was just correcting the mis-information. And supplied some valuable info that many of you obviously don't know. This thread is open for all of the 90,000 members to use, I believe you would call it freedom of speech.....

You were critisizing me for not adding anything to the thread, which you had alreday horribly taken off topic so STFU

You were critisizing me for not adding anything to the thread, which you had alreday horribly taken off topic so STFU


Thanks again for posting useful car information.......

Sorry to bring this up but I must point out yet some more mis-information. Ok so here in the next quote (earlier in this thread) you say the vr-4 does have AECS and the GSX doesn't have AECS. Wrong but we'll go with it to prove a point....

The Galant VR4 has the turbo 4G63 , and AWS , and AECS. The Galant GSX is non-turbo , and has none of the other components , but still AWD.


But now below here you say your local Galant owner has a GSX with AECS and it's not a vr-4??


Sorry just read this? Umm thought you had 90 GSX? And a local owns the same year Galant vr-4 as you that has AECS? I hope your not saying they made US vr-4's in 1990?? Are you???

Here is your his reply:

No , his car is not a VR4. I think I woulda mentioned that if it were. Like Talon said , keep it in the damm Galant forum. :screwy:


So now what? Your friend has a 90 GSX with no AECS, and the US spec vr-4 doesn't have AECS, so what model has AECS then? Like it has been said only the JDM non-numbered vr-4's have AECS. They (JDM Galants) also have cloth interiors, oh and rear windshield wipers. Some more usefull info.........

Originally Posted by Team Ducktape
??? My ford f150 manuel had three different engines in it? Yea so the manuel says. But when I look under the hood it only has one engine. You don't even have a vr-4, no US spec. galant has AECS. And not one has the option to have it either? So, does the (JDM) Galant version that has the AECS have leather? No it doesn't but the mauel says some come with leather, but only the US spec models.... Have you enven seen a vr-4? I really can't believe you know so little about Galants and DSM's in general... So I bet you think galants are DSM's.......

No , I know they are not because they were built in Japan. DSM 's were built here. Thats junior DSM knowledge. But they are considered a part of the DSM line by most DSM'ers. Several guys in the local DSM club have VR4's. But funny how none of them claim to be member's of GalantVR4.org. And so what if I don't have a GVR4? I have a GGSX , which IS one step below it on the options ladder. Sorry if mine doesn't have turbo , which I know this is what all this is about. I know how DSMer's are , they treat the NT guys like dirt. And you say for certain no US spec Galant has AECS , but I know for a fact you are wrong , because one of the local DSM'ers has an AECS equipped Galant the same year as mine.



So vr-4's aren't DSM's; good we agree on something, but here you said just the opposite, granted this is from a different thread but I find it relavent to the "mis-information" that is being preached by him and others:


I'm also lost about what I saw in your quotes that the Galant VR4 is not "technically" a DSM. Whoever said that is definitely wrong.The GVR4 was imported as a DSM , and has a DSM tag under the hood , which also lists its production #. The GVR4 has the exact same drivetrain as the 1G , in fact all parts are swapable between the 2 , except for some of the ECS suspension pieces and the AWS system , but most GVR4 owners in the know remove both of those anyway. It saves about 200+ lbs off the car. In fact a 1G exhaust system will fit , I've already proved that on my car. The exhaust had to be extended 6 inches because the rear overhang on the Galants is longer than the E/T/L cars , but otherwise the hangers were in the exact same place.......
Whoever said the Galant VR4's are not DSM's is an idiot......

And BTW no US Galant vr-4 has the "DSM" tag under the hood or any place on the car for that matter. Nor is there any place on the US Galant vr-4 except the "dash plaque" that shows the production number. I.e. in 92 the production number on the plaque is 00/1000 and in 91 it would be 00/2000, and only on the plaque would it have the production number, the lower or higher the number means nothing because the plaques where put on at random when they where shipped to the US. So that is the only place you will find a production number... And did you know there were 9 cars produced that didn't have the special edition dash plaque? Also the DSM "tag" your speaking of that is supposedly on the vr-4 is the exact same tag as you have on your GSX, it is white with a grey center and "Mitsubishi" in red printed over and over on it. No DSM anywhere. Oh and the drivetrain isn't exactly the same as a 1g- the driveshaft on the Galant is longer. The whole rear "sub-assebly" weighs around 200 pounds including calipers AND the AWS, you won't dump anywhere near 200pounds removing the AWS, and seeing US galants don't have the AECS that isn't a issue; the total AWS you would remove only weighs around 60 pounds tops, that included the PS lines to the front......

wow sorry man chill out