Nitrous/Co2 Intercooler
mfmark5007
08-24-2003, 08:13 PM
Which application is more effective, in terms of HP gains and cooling?
A Nitrous intercooler..."NTERCOOLER"
or...
A Co2 Intercooler
A Nitrous intercooler..."NTERCOOLER"
or...
A Co2 Intercooler
boosted331
08-24-2003, 09:32 PM
Spraying 3 dollar a pound nitrous on your intercooler is a TOTAL waste of money. Spraying CO2 on your intercooler is just a waste of money. Only time I can ever see needing to spray down your intercooler is if you're tuning on the dyno and have made several back to back to back runs and the intercooler is getting heat soaked, or if you've been sitting in the staging lanes at the strip with the motor on and the IC is starting to get heatsoaked.
DensoSupra
08-29-2003, 07:13 AM
Spraying 3 dollar a pound nitrous on your intercooler is a TOTAL waste of money. Spraying CO2 on your intercooler is just a waste of money. Only time I can ever see needing to spray down your intercooler is if you're tuning on the dyno and have made several back to back to back runs and the intercooler is getting heat soaked, or if you've been sitting in the staging lanes at the strip with the motor on and the IC is starting to get heatsoaked.
It's not a waste at all if you're using CO2 (CO2 is pretty cheap). Have you ever seen what he's talking about? It's piping that goes on the front of your intercooler that's in the shape of a horizontal oval. When CO2 is compressed, it is a liquid (as well as NOS). CO2 (and NOS) gets extremely cold when the pressure is released and the liquid changes into a gas. When you open the valve on a CO2/NOS bottle, the liquid turns into a gas and is extremely cold when it flows into the pipe that goes on the front of the intercooler. This cools the intercooler and makes the intake charge cooler. The cooler the intake charge is, the more dense it is, thus you have more oxygen in the cylinder which allows for more complete fuel burn. I'd like to see the difference one of those makes. Anyway, they look cool.
It's not a waste at all if you're using CO2 (CO2 is pretty cheap). Have you ever seen what he's talking about? It's piping that goes on the front of your intercooler that's in the shape of a horizontal oval. When CO2 is compressed, it is a liquid (as well as NOS). CO2 (and NOS) gets extremely cold when the pressure is released and the liquid changes into a gas. When you open the valve on a CO2/NOS bottle, the liquid turns into a gas and is extremely cold when it flows into the pipe that goes on the front of the intercooler. This cools the intercooler and makes the intake charge cooler. The cooler the intake charge is, the more dense it is, thus you have more oxygen in the cylinder which allows for more complete fuel burn. I'd like to see the difference one of those makes. Anyway, they look cool.
talskinyguy
08-29-2003, 11:29 AM
CO2 kit on my car gives it about 40-60 HP. And when you are out driving your car around looking for a race, your intercoolers get heatsoaked, thats just how it is. Im hooking one up on my car with a switch that engages at WOT.
boosted331
08-29-2003, 03:33 PM
CO2 kit on my car gives it about 40-60 HP. And when you are out driving your car around looking for a race, your intercoolers get heatsoaked, thats just how it is. Im hooking one up on my car with a switch that engages at WOT.
Yeah, ok. You don't even have the kit on your car, but you know that your IC is heatsoaked and it'll give you 60 horsepower :rolleyes: Sorry, MAYBE on the dyno where there isn't any airflow over the intercooler, but not on the street. I've checked the core temp of my IC after 30 minutes of just driving around on the street, and all areas except for the top passenger side corner were withing 15 degrees of ambient, checked with a fluke IR thermometer. Top passenger side was hotter, i'm guessing, because it's pretty close to your rad. If you don't have access to an IR thermo, go down to radio shack and spend 10 bucks on a digital thermometer, and zip tie the probe to a portion of your IC core. Only way your IC is ever going to get heat soaked on the street is if you're almost constantly boosting and do a ton of sitting at stoplights. Even after a 25 second boost run the IAT's on my car are back to normal after 2 or 3 minutes of driving around.
Yeah, ok. You don't even have the kit on your car, but you know that your IC is heatsoaked and it'll give you 60 horsepower :rolleyes: Sorry, MAYBE on the dyno where there isn't any airflow over the intercooler, but not on the street. I've checked the core temp of my IC after 30 minutes of just driving around on the street, and all areas except for the top passenger side corner were withing 15 degrees of ambient, checked with a fluke IR thermometer. Top passenger side was hotter, i'm guessing, because it's pretty close to your rad. If you don't have access to an IR thermo, go down to radio shack and spend 10 bucks on a digital thermometer, and zip tie the probe to a portion of your IC core. Only way your IC is ever going to get heat soaked on the street is if you're almost constantly boosting and do a ton of sitting at stoplights. Even after a 25 second boost run the IAT's on my car are back to normal after 2 or 3 minutes of driving around.
talskinyguy
08-29-2003, 03:48 PM
Yes those would be dyno numbers from a car with the kit on it, but doesnt matter if its heat soaked or not, it would still cool the air off a conserderable amount, giving you more power.
maxspeedhonda
08-30-2003, 07:58 AM
Yes those would be dyno numbers from a car with the kit on it, but doesnt matter if its heat soaked or not, it would still cool the air off a conserderable amount, giving you more power.
I am going to have to disagree. You say those are numbers from "a car".
Is it your car, because if it is I would just have to say that you are full of it. :shakehead Now if that is an adverstising statement from NX then MAYBE, but they usually test products on racecars so that they can make claims like that. I mean give me a break, most bolt on turbo kits will give you that much hp, so you are going to claim that a $400 ntercooler kit is going to double your hp. Please. To get anywhere near 40-60 hp out of that thing, you would need to spray it into the motor, and even then i would be suspicious.
I am going to have to disagree. You say those are numbers from "a car".
Is it your car, because if it is I would just have to say that you are full of it. :shakehead Now if that is an adverstising statement from NX then MAYBE, but they usually test products on racecars so that they can make claims like that. I mean give me a break, most bolt on turbo kits will give you that much hp, so you are going to claim that a $400 ntercooler kit is going to double your hp. Please. To get anywhere near 40-60 hp out of that thing, you would need to spray it into the motor, and even then i would be suspicious.
talskinyguy
08-31-2003, 02:09 AM
The 40-60 HP I mentioned was not on my car as far as the car that is sitting in my garage. It is however on the same make and model as the car sitting im my garage. The CO2 kit gave 60HP with a FMIC, I however have dual side mount intercoolers, so gave a 40-60HP rage. You dont know what car I have so I would watch the BS flag. Just because im browsing the honda forum doesnt mean I have a honda. As far as advertising, Im having a kit custom made for my car, no way I would spend $400 on a CO2 intercooler kit.
For future reference my car is curently a 0HP 3000GT that is down for the winter while I upgrade some stuff.
For future reference my car is curently a 0HP 3000GT that is down for the winter while I upgrade some stuff.
maxspeedhonda
08-31-2003, 09:42 AM
The 40-60 HP I mentioned was not on my car as far as the car that is sitting in my garage. It is however on the same make and model as the car sitting im my garage. The CO2 kit gave 60HP with a FMIC, I however have dual side mount intercoolers, so gave a 40-60HP rage. You dont know what car I have so I would watch the BS flag. Just because im browsing the honda forum doesnt mean I have a honda. As far as advertising, Im having a kit custom made for my car, no way I would spend $400 on a CO2 intercooler kit.
For future reference my car is curently a 0HP 3000GT that is down for the winter while I upgrade some stuff.
What the fuck does what car you drive have to do with anything, I said they test on racecars, and a 3000gt is by no means what I consider a racecar. Last time I checked, 3000gt's were fairly slow with the exception of the vr4. A PROFESSIONAL driver pulled a 13.6 out of one at 320hp (motortrend). Definatley not a bad numbers. So MAYBE a vr4 heatsoaked as shit could make 40 hp on one of those, especially with the shitty side mounts. Why the fuck would you want dual side mounts anyways? I know a guy that tried that setup and lost 2 psi across them. Nobody said anything about BS, just that the co2 coolers are retarded except in some drag racing situations, and even then, I live in south florida and it hot as shit. I go the the races at least twice a month and I have yet to see some jackoff running one.
For future reference my car is curently a 0HP 3000GT that is down for the winter while I upgrade some stuff.
What the fuck does what car you drive have to do with anything, I said they test on racecars, and a 3000gt is by no means what I consider a racecar. Last time I checked, 3000gt's were fairly slow with the exception of the vr4. A PROFESSIONAL driver pulled a 13.6 out of one at 320hp (motortrend). Definatley not a bad numbers. So MAYBE a vr4 heatsoaked as shit could make 40 hp on one of those, especially with the shitty side mounts. Why the fuck would you want dual side mounts anyways? I know a guy that tried that setup and lost 2 psi across them. Nobody said anything about BS, just that the co2 coolers are retarded except in some drag racing situations, and even then, I live in south florida and it hot as shit. I go the the races at least twice a month and I have yet to see some jackoff running one.
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