celica 5sfe engine

Is it possible to put a '95 5sfe (2.2 liter) engine into a 95 celica ST with a 1.8 liter without massive modifications? If not, any idea where I can sell the 2.2? It has 56K, and comes with 5 speed trans.

Is it possible to put a '95 5sfe (2.2 liter) engine into a 95 celica ST with a 1.8 liter without massive modifications? If not, any idea where I can sell the 2.2? It has 56K, and comes with 5 speed trans.

you will need the 5sfe engine mounts, the tranny mounts the ecu and wiring harness.

it will cost a lot of money and you will gain all of 20hp. it would be MUCH cheaper to swap in a 4agze which is supercharged and has about 170hp with a very good powerband.

ok, i recently got a new project '95 Celica ST. i have a 5sfe out of my MR2 which i am now putting a Lexus V6 in. the 5sfe is fully built from the ground up, has the 3sgte head, fully built, and is ready for a Greddy T67 turbo kit. it will put out about 600-700HP. you were saying in your last reply that it would't be worth swapping the 5sfe into the ST because it wouldn't gain much HP over the current 7afe. i think in this case it would be well worth it. but i am an ex-honda/acura-head, and have now switched my hobby over to Toyota and dont know a whole lot about what can and cant be swapped, and what ECU/harnesses will fit and what mounts match and which dont....can you help me out??? with the 3sgte head, and the 5sfe block/tranny...which harness would i use? would i need much modification for the motor mounts? what other items or modifications would i need to put this engine into my Celica? please help me out...anyone!! thank you!!

ok, i recently got a new project '95 Celica ST. i have a 5sfe out of my MR2 which i am now putting a Lexus V6 in. the 5sfe is fully built from the ground up, has the 3sgte head, fully built, and is ready for a Greddy T67 turbo kit. it will put out about 600-700HP. you were saying in your last reply that it would't be worth swapping the 5sfe into the ST because it wouldn't gain much HP over the current 7afe. i think in this case it would be well worth it. but i am an ex-honda/acura-head, and have now switched my hobby over to Toyota and dont know a whole lot about what can and cant be swapped, and what ECU/harnesses will fit and what mounts match and which dont....can you help me out??? with the 3sgte head, and the 5sfe block/tranny...which harness would i use? would i need much modification for the motor mounts? what other items or modifications would i need to put this engine into my Celica? please help me out...anyone!! thank you!!

just drill holes for the motor mount on the 5sfe that is not the same as the 7afe.

your engine will be worth it, but it is no longer a 5sfe, it is a 5sgte. a hybrid engine, you took away the part that made the engine an economy engine, the head.

but a stock 5sfe would not be worth it

ok, so would i take all accessories and bolt ons (starter, alternator, sensors, etc.) from a 3sgte engine, or would i take them from a 5sfe? and then would i have to use the 3sgte harness/ECU, or the 5sfe? are they all mix and match? could i use all the parts from the 5sfe and then just plug in a 3sgte harness and ecu with some kind of piggy back or even standalone?

ok, i recently got a new project '95 Celica ST. i have a 5sfe out of my MR2 which i am now putting a Lexus V6 in. the 5sfe is fully built from the ground up, has the 3sgte head, fully built, and is ready for a Greddy T67 turbo kit. it will put out about 600-700HP. you were saying in your last reply that it would't be worth swapping the 5sfe into the ST because it wouldn't gain much HP over the current 7afe. i think in this case it would be well worth it. but i am an ex-honda/acura-head, and have now switched my hobby over to Toyota and dont know a whole lot about what can and cant be swapped, and what ECU/harnesses will fit and what mounts match and which dont....can you help me out??? with the 3sgte head, and the 5sfe block/tranny...which harness would i use? would i need much modification for the motor mounts? what other items or modifications would i need to put this engine into my Celica? please help me out...anyone!! thank you!!
ive got a stock 5s-fe motor in my 91 gt will the 3sgte head bolt right on or is there more mods

Quick question...where are you all getting your 3SGTE heads from? And has anyone dyno'ed this after the transfer to get a horsepower and torque rating?

Quick question...where are you all getting your 3SGTE heads from? And has anyone dyno'ed this after the transfer to get a horsepower and torque rating?
im just wondering if it ca be done i have a 91 gt with 5s-fe in it so im wondering what i can do ,if its worth it thank you :uhoh:

Im sure its possible, the 3SGTE and the 5SFE blocks are the same size I believe just the cylinders are smaller for the 3SGTE.

it takes a lot of work and parts to do a head swap.

you will need the 3sgte head and wire harness and ecu among other parts

unless your intent is to build up the 5sfe, it is almost pointless. a 3sgte can be swapped in for teh price of just the head swap alone, and if you were to build up the 5sfe, you could do the same to the 3sgte with a stroker kit, end up with the same displacement and less $$ into the project.

5sfe and 3sgte accessories are interchangeable depending on the generation of 3sgte. but you can alwasy have custom brackets made.

Im sure its possible, the 3SGTE and the 5SFE blocks are the same size I believe just the cylinders are smaller for the 3SGTE.
thank you for the info man ! :evillol:

Hey...been doing research on the 3SGE and the 3SGTE...yes you can add the head to the 5SFE HOWEVER it is recomended that you just swap the motors. Adding the 5SFE crank to a 3SGTE is also possible however not recomended. See when you swap the heads you end up losing low end torque (which is what makes the 5SFE a great engine). When you lose this torque you dont exactly match the loss with a gain in horsepower. Actually your better off leaving the stock head on there.

Hey...been doing research on the 3SGE and the 3SGTE...yes you can add the head to the 5SFE HOWEVER it is recomended that you just swap the motors. Adding the 5SFE crank to a 3SGTE is also possible however not recomended. See when you swap the heads you end up losing low end torque (which is what makes the 5SFE a great engine). When you lose this torque you dont exactly match the loss with a gain in horsepower. Actually your better off leaving the stock head on there.
thanks for the info man i appreciate it

Can you really swap heads from a 5sfe to a 3sgte? Do you need the wiring harness from a 3sgte head? and the intake does that need to be the 3sgte? Im going crazy over here trying to figure this all out!!!!!!!! :banghead: :banghead: I used to be a honda/acura fan and now I saw the light Toyota :nutkick:

swaping the 3sgte head on the 5sfe is ONLY not recommended when you ARENT turboing the car... the 5sfe is a 2.2L n the 3sgte is a 2.0L so it is no suprise that you will lose some but not much low end power... but making the engine .2L smaller makes the engine stronger enabling it withstand more power from the turbo.. many people have tried to turbo charge the 3sge and the 5sfe and have failed... actually i have yet to see one online without a 3sgte head swap... i have only heard of them blowing up... so it is well worth the swap if you are going to turbo the engine... I have heard of a 10 second 5sfe mr2 of course with a 3sgte head on it... of course, its ur choice :rolleyes:

600-700 HP, eh? :)

Better just forget about which harness to use and just skip to an aftermarket ECU. Get it tuned by a skilled individual.

And 5S-FE can be turbocharged just fine. With or without the 3S head.

I know of 500RWHP+ 5S-FE (5S-FTE) :)

Again, if I were you, and I had a spare, built 5S-FE that I wanted to use in anything, I ditch whatever stock controls there were and go standalone.



There's no way in hell you're getting any descent power (350BHP+) with the stock ECU.

Best of Luck

And also, running a T67 on the stock ECU would be a very bad idea, even with the purdy little black boxes....

swaping the 3sgte head on the 5sfe is ONLY not recommended when you ARENT turboing the car... the 5sfe is a 2.2L n the 3sgte is a 2.0L so it is no suprise that you will lose some but not much low end power... but making the engine .2L smaller makes the engine stronger enabling it withstand more power from the turbo.. many people have tried to turbo charge the 3sge and the 5sfe and have failed... actually i have yet to see one online without a 3sgte head swap... i have only heard of them blowing up... so it is well worth the swap if you are going to turbo the engine... I have heard of a 10 second 5sfe mr2 of course with a 3sgte head on it... of course, its ur choice :rolleyes:

I have all the parts to swap, head, turbo intake,turbo, and computer from a turbo celica. I wanted to see if that just bolts on a 5s block.
I really want a 2.2 liter turbo charge engine and can you bolt up the all wheel drive tranny on to that block too the 5f.

how's that going to work? You have a 2.2 liter engine being controlled by a All-Trac ECU??

Bad idea.

so what will work? Do I get the 5f computer reprogram for the turbo?

A modified/chipped 5S-FE *may* work.

BUT, if you've got the cash, get an aftermarket ECU.

You need something, that can control the fuel and ignition timing. Something that is tuned to *your* exact setup.

Chipped/Modified ECU aren't tuned for your car normally. Usually, they are setup over the phone, which doesn't net the most accurate tuning.

Where are you from?
What exactly are you using from the 5S and 3S?

can I swap the 5sfe engine into my 91 corolla sr5 which has the 4afe engine in it. I know the motor mounts match, but not sure of the wiring harness.


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