Next Modena should have V10

Would anyone object to Ferrari adding two more cylinders to the V8? Can you imagine what it would sound like? 4.5 liter V10, 500bhp@8500rpm..... hmmmmmm.

I'm hoping the next Modena isn't just a facelift of the old model but something more aggressive looking like a baby Enzo.

Oh well...

Would anyone object to Ferrari adding two more cylinders to the V8? Can you imagine what it would sound like? 4.5 liter V10, 500bhp@8500rpm..... hmmmmmm.

I'm hoping the next Modena isn't just a facelift of the old model but something more aggressive looking like a baby Enzo.

Oh well...I wouldn't object but If it aint broke don't fix it. The current V8 sounds glorious and the next model should have the maserati 4.2 liter V8 tuned to Ferrari specs

I wouldn't object either but I don't find anything
radically wrong in the current v8. Sure lamborghini
has a v10 but a v8 can work every bit as well,
especialy if its made by Ferrari. And a v10 would
not go with the tradition set by the 308, 328, 348,
355, and 360 all of which had v8s and performed
great in their respective days. But I do agree that
500hp ,and perhaps an extra 100lb/ft of tourque,
would be fabulous if not necessary to keep up
with the Lamborghini Gallardo. As for making it into
a babey Enzo I think it allready is, I mean think
about it it's a mid engined 2 seat supercar,not a
grand tourer like the 575, 456, and soon to be 460,
and it has some slightly more ratical styling than
the afore mensioned cars. What more do you need
to make a babey Enzo?

I wouldn't object either but I don't find anything
radically wrong in the current v8. Sure lamborghini
has a v10 but a v8 can work every bit as well,
especialy if its made by Ferrari. And a v10 would
not go with the tradition set by the 308, 328, 348,
355, and 360 all of which had v8s and performed
great in their respective days. But I do agree that
500hp ,and perhaps an extra 100lb/ft of tourque,
would be fabulous if not necessary to keep up
with the Lamborghini Gallardo.

Maybe the 360 might not be as balanced with a V8. What they should do is make the Maranello a meaner (sounding) car. It's just too tame for my taste.

Didn't mean to put that quote in there.

Looking at the F40 and F50, I don't think Ferrari has a problem with breaking tradition in terms of engine configurations. I don't think they'd have a problem with going V10. On the other hand I agree that if it ain't broke then don't fix it. There's nothing wrong with the V8 but you can't deny the appeal of a Ferrari V10 and not just in terms of added performance.

I didn't suggest a Ferrari V10 because of Lamborghini. The Gallardo is a completely different thing imo and people shouldn't compare it to the Modena same as they shouldn't compare the Modena to the Porsche Turbo. As for Lamborghini's V10, we're talking about a five-litr engine with 500bhp and around 400lbs of torque. I don't think Ferrari's V8 will match that.

You're right they didn't have a problem
with braking with tradition with the f40 and
f50, but they did have a reason. The f40
engine reflected the engines that were in
the F1 cars of that day and the f50's engine
did the same thats the reason for the difference
but there is no reason for changing the 360's
engine. at least none that I can see.

As for comparing the Ferrari to the Lambo
I agree. Ferrari and Lamborghini are commenly
considerd rivals but, when you really think about
it they're two totaly different cars. The Lambo
is a very radicle(some may say it's an I'VE ERIVED
CAR)car but the Ferrari is a rather layed back
kind of sedate sort of car.

I think Ferrari's V8 could match lamborghini's v10
if they bored it out a little which they will probably
do.

I think Ferrari's V8 could match lamborghini's v10
if they bored it out a little which they will probably
do.

I really don't think that Ferrari will put a v10 in they're car. Theres really no reason for it. Sure the lambo has a v10. Sure its in competition for market share. But really, as a few have already mentioned, they are not in the same class. They are totaly different cars.
A 360 Modena is a very high end sports car. But at the same time, i think Ferrari designed this one to be a daily driver for those that can afford it. Its very reliable. Very responsive. And very drivable.
What makes in so driveable isn't just because of the v8, but thats not hurting it any. Putting a v8 in they're car gives it better gas millage and makes it more costworthy to drive.
They Gallardo, however has a much larger engine and makes it less appealing as a daily driver. Plus its made by Lambo. Not really the best example of daily driver material.
Even though the 2 are in the same price range. I still believe that Ferrari will have the top seller due to that point.

correct me if im wrong.

The Modena is more of a road-racer while the Gallardo is more GT, I doubt Ferrari was concerned about gas mileage and making it cheap to run.


They Gallardo, however has a much larger engine and makes it less appealing as a daily driver. Plus its made by Lambo. Not really the best example of daily driver material.


That's outrageous.

The Gallardo is a major step forward for Lamborghini -- the kind of step that has Ferrari wondering in a way they're not exactly used to...

I think the next Modena will end up V10 as a direct result of this, and it will have something beyond facelift as update-- maybe more Enzo than previously imagined: rear lights, steering wheel controls, lower weight...

Naw, no V10. If I remember correctly, Ferrari has always made only V8s and V12s (and V6s naturally in early years). It's in their haritage, and the only thing keeping that V8 spirit alive is the Modena. I think a V10 would really disappoint Ferrari fans.

And as far as racing goes, I think a V8 is a bit more reliable out on the track. Let's not forget Ferrari's racing heritage. The V8s at Les Mans always do good. :)

Then again you have F1, which currently uses V10 engines. Knowing how much Ferrari likes to draw technology from racing, and since F1 is their main thing... If not in the next Modena then maybe a completely new model that would fit between the Modena and Enzo? This makes sense from a marketing point of view and Ferrari could base the engine on the current F1 engine, similiar to the approach they took with the F50's engine...

if they make a modena like a baby enzo its gonna suck the enzo shape has been wrecked modena look fine it just needs a few touch ups but no way make it like an enzo

I gotta say that Snowboarder couldn't have hit the nail more ont he head.

There is nothing worng with the current 360, anybody could argue it has held it's own amongst it's predecessors, and then some. It is an absolutely beautiful design with the perfect powerplant to match. Yes perhaps it could almost be describes in comprison to new arrivals form Italy as 'underpowered', but certian not slow.

The answer of adding cylinders is not one I would consider for the next generation Modena, assuming the next generation will be called the Modena.

To start at the root of this problem, I don't see why why everyone's gotten all concerned about the 360's output ever since the Gallardo came out. Let me remind everyone that Lamborghini are consistently more powerful than any of thier Italian stablemates. Although things are changing nowaday, Ferraris and Lamborghinis are like Ketchup and Catsup, the same but, not.

Please people, don't worry about Ferrari, this competition has being going on for a good 30 years now, Lamborghini is catching up, but Ferrari has 50 years of experience in this market, Lamborghini has always aimed higher, for the uber exclusive seekers.

Anyways, if Ferrari makes any engine modifications should stay amonsgt the lines of tradition fomr the days of the 308, 328, add more valvles or something, not cylinders, that is a serious modification and, frnalky I'm sick of car companies these days dicthing heritage and tradition for stupidly high hp numbers, and widened model ranges (Mercedes, BMW, Porsche)

If anything were to be done to the Modena's already astounding powerplant, I would want it to be int he form of a lsight enlargement, to perhaps 3.8 or 3.9 litres, but notihng greater, perhap a few others tweaks (a la 360 Challenge Stradale) to boost hp to maybe 460-470. At those numbers, this car will be safe from anything even that Viperghini.

* In terms of any new engines Ferrari should make, a 3-3.5 liter V-12 would win me over from the Germans, nothing like the golden age engines, nothing.

i tihnk it should have an amazing sound, the car should look amazing, and be alot lighter. I dont care what configuration they use to get that, also i dont care if the car doenst get anymore power. it is fast enough, now if it could outhandle any car int he world it would be perfect.

Lotus, you don't know the same 360 Modena that I know. It sounds
incredable, looks absolutely gorgeous, it's light already,and it handles
like a spinning top. It's fine the way it is; although any improvements
that Ferrari may and will make in the future will be welcome.

Lotus, you don't know the same 360 Modena that I know. It sounds
incredable, looks absolutely gorgeous, it's light already,and it handles
like a spinning top. It's fine the way it is; although any improvements
that Ferrari may and will make in the future will be welcome.

oh no, im not saying those things arent some of the best in the world.
oh yes it sounds like noithng else, and that shouldnt cahnge, if it does ferrari has screwed up. as for light and handlle like nointhg else, i mean lighter, and handdle better. its is like nothing else the way it is, but those are the places i want to see time and money invested, instead of just haveing a 600hp monster that weighs 3500lb, doesnt sound right, and can be out handled by the current one.

If anything, I would like to see a v12 out of the Modena! That would sound amazing!

If anything, I would like to see a v12 out of the Modena! That would sound amazing!Amazing yes, but it would probably sound like the current crop of Ferrari GTs (F50/Enzo aside - those aren't GTs anyway).

I think the screaming Ferrari V8, especially in CS form, are aurally superior than the powerplants found in the 456/550/575. More guttaral, more purposeful. More Mad. :evillol:

And at the end of the day folks, it's not just about the number of cylinders you have. Large figures are headline grabbing (cue W16 in the elusive Veyron), but don't actually have any merit in themselves. The Koenigsegg and the SLR only have V8s, and the other non V12 stalwart in the current crop of ubercars is the Carerra GT, which boasts a Gallardo-equalling V10. Heck, remember the catastrophic Jaguar XJ220? That one only had a V6.

Now of course we all know that these cars will obliterate any of the junior supercars (including the likes of the 360), and thus figures themselves don't lend any value to deciding a car's output and performance.

And Lamborghini have always had to prostitute themselves with higher outputs and outlandish design to compete with their far more successful neighbour - outperforming the Gallardo should be the least of Ferrari's concerns.

Hell, slapping a couple of low-pressure turbos on the current V8 could work serious wonders (just look at the fanfare surrounding the F40) - but will the traditionalists fret? I think so. Look at the blown engine in the 996 Turbo - surely that is a seamless turbo integration if ever there was one.

Expect the 360 replacement (not long now!) to have a V8. And expect an output slightly south of 500bhp. This is my prediction.

The next baby Ferrari will sell on the same merit as the others - fantastic looks, great sound, scary performance and above all the chance to buy into the exclusive Ferrari legacy.

The Gallardo and the Ford GT are complete non-issues.

I think that Ferrari should stick to V8 and V12....
That is what the really can do....

ohh and by the way.....
a V10 Modena?
whats wrong with you guys...

Ferrari has always used V8's for the small cars and V12's for the big cars.. and i don't think that Ferrari will change that part of the design filosofi, to satisfy some customers..

and also, you dont buy a ferrari for it's speed or acceleration but to get a Special Unique Emotion and that is what you get i a Ferrari V8 or V12

Cheers
Bo Sørensen

I think that they should rework the existing engine. It needs more tourque. Im not sure if many, if any, of the people on here have had the chance to drive one. But i have driven bothe a F1 and standard 360, and it does not have enough tourque. Makes the launches touchie. Feels like a S2000.

But it is deffinetly a beautiful car, and nothing beats the howl of the car at redline. Incrediable engine.

if ferrari puts a v-10 in the 360 (one of my favorite ferraris), then i will lose some of the respect of the car. the v-8 and the styling is the heart of the 360. i love the sound of the ferrari v-8 and if they replace it, there will be no new ferrari v-8. i would be soooooooooo sad. please ferrari, stick to a v-8 in the 360.

The only reason Ferrari would put a V-10 in the modena would be to keep up with the new Gallardo. The Gallardo will kill a modena. I know i have beaten one:)

but i think that ferrari shouldnt care about what other companies are doin. they have their reputation of having only 12 and 8 cylinder cars. i think that enzo ferrari will turn over in his grave if they put a v10 into the 360.

Ferrari is worried because the Gallardo is a much better designed car. Easier to drive fast, more of a daily drive and it can out preform a Modena. The Gallardo is the Modena's direct compition, and latly i have seen 4 Modenas traded to get Gallardo's. So im thinking that Ferrari should eather redesign the modenas engine, maby adding dome displacment, or admit defeat.

yes, ferrari should definetly reconfigure the 360's engine. but they should stick with the v-8, just make it output more. i have heard that ferrari might put a 450 horse version of the 3.6 L in the stock 360. especially since the gallardo and ford gt are aimed at the 360.

I think that they will have a hard time to make the engine make 450hp, and even if they do the Gallardo will kill it. AWD, V10, E-shift, and 500hp:D

God i love it. Its so fast. I beat the hell out of a Silver 360 Modena F1 going over the Second Narrows bridge. So yes they deffinetly need a redesign with the engine, but that will most likley be the demise of the 360 Modena.

if gallardo got rid of the awd, it could be much much faster. awd slows the car down with its weight. and i cant find it but i did read it in a motor trend about the 450 horse v-8.

The Gallardo would not be much faster if it were RWD. In a straight line the car is basicly RWD, hardly any power is being sent to the front drive wheels. But it might brake the 210 mph mark if it were RWD. But there are other way s to get to 210mph with the Gallardo(IMO the best Lambo ever built).

And my offer still stands for the joy ride:)

a bigger engine is great, but it wouldnt make the car much better. it would have to be bigger and it would weigh more, and not only that, it would probably make it cost more. why not just add more to the engine they have w/o having to change the size of the engine compartment, i.e., add a supercharger or make the compression more efficient

but i think that ferrari shouldnt care about what other companies are doin. they have their reputation of having only 12 and 8 cylinder cars. i think that enzo ferrari will turn over in his grave if they put a v10 into the 360.
Thats what i mean.....
maybe they need to raise the displacements to 4.0L or 4.2L and 500-525hp
and maybe a better aerodynamic...

Cheers
Bo Sørensen

yes, they just need to make the v-8 a better engine. and ferrari_adidas 5, ferrari doesnt do forced induction anymore (yes, i know, the f-40 and f-288 has two turbos, but thats then, this is now).

i wouldn't say make a better engine....
The Ferrari V8 is as near as you can get in the matter of technology...
Just improve the power output....

cant wait

i have been hearing from people that the next 360 is going to have a 4.2L V-8 and be called the 420. i think that would be awesome.

I've heard that rumour too and it makes a lot more sense. I wonder if the 4.2 would be a bored/stroked out version of the current engine or a brand new design because I hope it keeps possession of the old engines raw personality and charisma, just adds more torque.

There's no reason to change it at all. A 3.6L V8 putting out 400 HP stock and 425 in the Stradale, both naturally asiprated is insane. The American car companies have used 5.7L to accomplishj the same task in the Vette. A V10 is just unnecessary.

I also support Ferrari's heritage. Why put a V10 where it doesn't belong? More than likely Ferrari will just upgrade the displacement as it always has. It's predecessor was a 3.5L, the next car is likely to be a 3.8L, but I doubt Ferrari would go as high as 4L, simply because it would ruin the heritage of the 456. However a 420 would not surprise me, especially with the competition from the Lamborghini Gallardo.

Ferrari is worried because the Gallardo is a much better designed car. Easier to drive fast, more of a daily drive and it can out preform a Modena. The Gallardo is the Modena's direct compition, and latly i have seen 4 Modenas traded to get Gallardo's. So im thinking that Ferrari should eather redesign the modenas engine, maby adding dome displacment, or admit defeat.
There is accually something about what you writes here....
but i know alot of people how would buy the 360 because you get the Ferrari Heritage (the prancing horse on the steering wheel,
and the small displacement V8 engine). Plus I am sorry to say it, but the Gallardo is a disgrace to Lamborghini's Heritage.....
For gods sake, it doesn't even have scissor-doors....

Cheers
Bo Sørensen

i read in a couple of magazines (Motor Trend and AutoWeek) that the next 360 will have a 4.0L V-8 pushing out 500 horsepower. they say the engine is 360-derived. that would be so sweet.