97+ GTP vs. 5.0L Mustang

97+ GTP vs. 5.0L Stang... hmm.. no competition for GTP, ud think a 5.0 would win, well ur wrong. Ive raced 10 5.0's and have won everysingle time, except for 1 time, when it was a 89' saleen SSC, haha, i dont know y i raced him, i put up a good fight tho.. A 5.0L gets a GTP off the line almost everytime, because most of them r 5spd's.. and GTP is auto. But when u have the performance shifting on, you have no problem flying right past them... stock 5.0L has 225hp, mine has 240 stock... but with my Pulley Boys 3.75 pulley, and my Magnuson Nose Drive i have no problem with any 5.0L or Supercoupe. To tell the truth a car that puts up more of a fight is the 96' Taurus SHO, and 00' SVT Contour.. for some reason every car i race is either a 5.0 or a supercoupe, so if u ever go to a line wit one, dont worry ull winif u go pontiac...

true, i was at a test and tune type of drag night and i saw a few gtp beat out the stangs. needles to say it was a good night to own a gtp !

I cant take anything from the GTP's. They are bad ass BUT come on guy, are you serious?? In my town, there are about a million Mustangs that would drop hammer on any GTP. I know they can be RELATIVELY quick but there are 10 second Stangs running around(mine being one of them) on the street that would rape you. Be careful of silly statements, there are some Mustang owners that browse here too.

I cant take anything from the GTP's. They are bad ass BUT come on guy, are you serious?? In my town, there are about a million Mustangs that would drop hammer on any GTP. I know they can be RELATIVELY quick but there are 10 second Stangs running around(mine being one of them) on the street that would rape you. Be careful of silly statements, there are some Mustang owners that browse here too.
Yeah, if you're not careful, this guy will rape you! Yeek!

lets not kid ouselves here, as a proud owner of a gtp, i can say that a mustang will twack a prix unless you have some knuckle head driving it. stick to beating up on honda's toyota's or nissans, they are more our speed

Saying that "a mustang" will "twack a prix" is a blanket statement.

These 2 cars are great examples of not knowing what you are going to get.

I've beaten my share of Mustangs and been beaten by Mustangs. I'm not afraid to race a mustang, and it's a great feeling when you pull away from the mustang driver that was too cocky for his own good.

I'll say this though, since moving to Texas I've come across many more of the Fast Mustangs than the slow ones.

Later,

Tim

I agree with ripn I think that the half the time you will win. I think that it also has to do with your particular car.

I had a friend who had a T/A WS6, that car could beat any other WS6 out there. He even switched cars to see if it was skill. and his car still won. I think that it is in the luck of the draw

I cant take anything from the GTP's. They are bad ass BUT come on guy, are you serious?? In my town, there are about a million Mustangs that would drop hammer on any GTP. I know they can be RELATIVELY quick but there are 10 second Stangs running around(mine being one of them) on the street that would rape you. Be careful of silly statements, there are some Mustang owners that browse here too.

It's all relative fellas. Yeah, there are plenty of really fast Stangs that would EAT a heavily modded GTP. But many of us here have modded GTPs that will EAT stock GT's.

If I pull up to a light and the Mustang next to me is shaking because of it's high HP mods, I ain't racing. Simple as that.

Relative is definitely the word for it. I've got a stock GTP, and I've outrun my share of stock Stangs and Camaros and Firebirds. I've outrun a 305 V8 Camaro (Although I think a goodly part of that was skill :evillol:) But I'm not about to say I could beat any Stang, any Camaro, any Firebird on the road.

You don't just have to wager on the car. You've also got the driver's skill as a factor.

Relative is definitely the word for it. I've got a stock GTP, and I've outrun my share of stock Stangs and Camaros and Firebirds. I've outrun a 305 V8 Camaro (Although I think a goodly part of that was skill :evillol:) But I'm not about to say I could beat any Stang, any Camaro, any Firebird on the road.

You don't just have to wager on the car. You've also got the driver's skill as a factor.


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Tell me the kill story about the V8 camaro! I have yet to go up against one.

Not much of a story...We haven't had a chance to line 'em up and me prove once and for all that I've got him beat, but we were flying down the road in the middle of the night once, he had his car pegged out, I was right on his tail, and I still had pedal and speedo. (It's my best friend, by the way. '92 Camaro RS.) Apparently, the V8's in the '92s only had about 195HP, and I've got 240HP stock. Granted, with the right skill his car might still outrun me, I think I've pretty well got him beat.

I can't wait til we get the chance to line 'em up and actually race 'em.

lets not kid ouselves here, as a proud owner of a gtp, i can say that a mustang will twack a prix unless you have some knuckle head driving it. stick to beating up on honda's toyota's or nissans, they are more our speed

Watch those 'honda's toyota's or nissan's'. Some of those things weigh quite a bit less than our big ass GPs. Though weight didn't help the Civic (with the coffee can muffler and the giant APC sticker on the windshield) that revved on me tonight. And was driving my stock GT (snicker). My girlie just got a Prelude though, I guess I'll have to do some 'research'.

Still, death to Ford and all that.

Watch those 'honda's toyota's or nissan's'. Some of those things weigh quite a bit less than our big ass GPs. Though weight didn't help the Civic (with the coffee can muffler and the giant APC sticker on the windshield) that revved on me tonight. And was driving my stock GT (snicker). My girlie just got a Prelude though, I guess I'll have to do some 'research'.

Still, death to Ford and all that.
Yeah you better watch out for those imports..... especially honda civics witht he V-tec engine,but still they are not match to my camaro Z28 6 speed 500 horses, but never underestimate those little imports :evillol:
anyone live in wisconsin and want to race let me kno...havent raced anyone worth while racing for a long time :iceslolan

Good kill, but have to agree both cars can be highly modified, I've ran into a few modded stangs and still edged them out they had this look of disbelief afterwards :eek: The only reason I did it from them being so damn cocky.. I don't care what the drivers driving if he's cocky I'll try to put him in place.

this one guy recently told me he wasn't even getting on it on the freeway, after about 100 he started losing ground fast, must've had high gears and a few other mods. After wards he told me it was an 8 second stang (yeah it almost sounded like it to :lol2: ) not to mention pump gas.

I know my brother had an 88 LX 5.0 thing ran low 13's, but as mentioned before if the thing is gargling at the line I'm not going to race it :screwy:

I expect to lose a few, they'll have to be pretty heavily modded.. as next year I want to slap an intercooler on there :smokin:

i've read alot of stories about all these gtp's blowing out stangs. i personaly have only raced one because most of the usual gtp drivers, housewives, dont like to race. Most drivers of four door, automatic, full sized sedans usually dont try to mess with a sports car. i do like the front design of the gtp, because thats all i see in my rear view mirror.

97+ GTP vs. 5.0L Stang... hmm.. no competition for GTP, ud think a 5.0 would win, well ur wrong. Ive raced 10 5.0's and have won everysingle time, except for 1 time, when it was a 89' saleen SSC, haha, i dont know y i raced him, i put up a good fight tho.. A 5.0L gets a GTP off the line almost everytime, because most of them r 5spd's.. and GTP is auto. But when u have the performance shifting on, you have no problem flying right past them... stock 5.0L has 225hp, mine has 240 stock... but with my Pulley Boys 3.75 pulley, and my Magnuson Nose Drive i have no problem with any 5.0L or Supercoupe. To tell the truth a car that puts up more of a fight is the 96' Taurus SHO, and 00' SVT Contour.. for some reason every car i race is either a 5.0 or a supercoupe, so if u ever go to a line wit one, dont worry ull winif u go pontiac...


Please tell me that the 3.75 part was a typo. Stock size is 3.8" and if you really do have just a 3.75, it's not doing SHIT. The Mag. nose drive doesn't help gain anything either. :rolleyes:

You remind me of some newer SRT-4 owners that think their cars are Ferrari's or something. "I can beat this, this, and that, and I've never lost to a blah blah blah." Just remember, there is always someone faster, and when it comes to a GTP, unless SERIOUSLY modified, there's a lot more people faster. :loser:

I'm the new owner of a 2002 GTP... I also own an 87 Mustang GT that I bought brand new..

The Mustang, totally stock" would run 14.6's at 94 mph.. Does that sound like something a GTP can handle ?? After I mod'd my Mustang with a Kenne-Bell twin screw Whipplecharger, Edelbrock aluminum big valve heads, and a host of other go fast goodies.. It would run 11.6's at 120 mph on drag radials.. It dyno'd at the rear wheels, 400 rwhp at 5200 rpms.. And 486 ft lbs of rwtq at 2600 rpms.. It is a serious "torque monster" that takes very few prisoners on the street..

Unless you've put the pedal to over 500 lbs of torque, you really are guessing about how that feels.. My GTP is quick.. But my Mustang is awesome..Or was awesome.. I sold the whole supercharged 302 out of it.. I'm replacing it with a turbocharged 383 ci that should make close to 750 hp.. Now "THAT'S" gonna be fun :grinno: ...

It's probably nice having a modified GTP that can beat a stock Mustang.. But be warned.. There are Mustangs rolling the street with blowers "PLUS" nitrous oxide.. I know, cause my friend has one..

i've read alot of stories about all these gtp's blowing out stangs. i personaly have only raced one because most of the usual gtp drivers, housewives, dont like to race. Most drivers of four door, automatic, full sized sedans usually dont try to mess with a sports car. i do like the front design of the gtp, because thats all i see in my rear view mirror.

First of all, not all GTP's have four doors. One of my friends has a '97 GTP coupe. Secondly, there are some of us who know what our cars can do, and we DO race sports cars. Fully stock, I've outran my share of Camaros, Mustangs, and Firebirds. I don't know if the people driving were scared of the power they were pushing or what, but I have done it. I've mentioned before that I have no problem keeping up with my best friend's '92 Camaro RS, 305 V8. I could have passed him if we hadn't run out of straight road. I've even had a Trans Am owner, after I mentioned that I liked his car, tell me that if he were me, he'd keep the GTP. His car was modded, he drags it at our local track.

I think a lot of sports car drivers just don't want to admit that a four door car might actually have the power to outrun something that's supposed to be a speed machine.

Why the hell did someone bring back this thread. It was a stupid thread when it was first written and still is.

After I mod'd my Mustang with a Kenne-Bell twin screw Whipplecharger, Edelbrock aluminum big valve heads, and a host of other go fast goodies.. It would run 11.6's at 120 mph on drag radials

For god sakes I hope so. Also its been proven that if you put a KB or any other SC besides roots in a GP and a host of other go fast goodies. that the same times can be reached.

There is no answer to this debate. There will always be someone faster.

Tim

Why the hell did someone bring back this thread. It was a stupid thread when it was first written and still is.



For god sakes I hope so. Also its been proven that if you put a KB or any other SC besides roots in a GP and a that the same times can be reached.



If you really think it's so stupid... Why are you even bothering to answer :rolleyes: ...

And when I said a host of other go fast goodies, I ment stuff like exhaust, ignition, and a centerforce clutch.. My short block was stock..My cam was stock.. My intake was stock.. As a matter of fact, when my car was all completely stock..With "4" catalitic converters and 2.73 gears, and just the blower pushing 8 lbs of boost.. It ran 12.9's at 108 on stock Goodyear Gatorbacks..

If you think you can put simular mods on a GP and run with a Mustang with simular mods.. I'm hear to tell you it's no friggen way, NO WAY.. And this is coming from a guy that loves Grand Prix's.. Has owned 3 of them..

If the picture post below, this is how my Mustang looked under the hood when it ran 11's..It was fully equipped and passed emissions.. And it's foolish to try to be the "fastest"...Everyone knows that.. The reason I want to go faster is because I rode in a friends street Mustang that runs 10.4's at 133.. And it made my car feel slow :eek: ..

http://hometown.aol.com/choknred/myhomepage/adjuster-1.jpg

You never were specific on "host of go fast goodies" :sly:


Good job on the Mustangs and good luck with the GP.

Like I said before, there is no answer to this debate (Mustang vs. GP) :disappoin . There will always be someone faster. :banghead:

I've got a '97 GTP that is all stock. My friend has a '93 mustang gt that is also stock, except he has a cold air intake. I don't know what brand it is, but he says it adds 15 hp. Can I beat him?

I've got a '97 GTP that is all stock. My friend has a '93 mustang gt that is also stock, except he has a cold air intake. I don't know what brand it is, but he says it adds 15 hp. Can I beat him?

Only one way to find out........line 'em up.

Good job on the Mustangs and good luck with the GP.


Thanks man..But I real think I'm going to need the most luck on the Mustang.. I'm going to be running a programable, stand alone, engine management unit.. With low impedence 83 lb per hr injectors..

That's going to be "swimming in uncharted waters" for me :confused: ..

i've read alot of stories about all these gtp's blowing out stangs. i personaly have only raced one because most of the usual gtp drivers, housewives, dont like to race. Most drivers of four door, automatic, full sized sedans usually dont try to mess with a sports car. i do like the front design of the gtp, because thats all i see in my rear view mirror.

Heh, take a look at 94 GTP coupe and tell me that they're driven by housewives. Personally, I think that that body style has the most attitude, next to the Trans Am's, out of any Pontiac model/year. I love the sleek look of them, hell I even love the corny little hood vents :D

Being in MT, I don't really get a whole lot of racing done, as there's not really anyone to race. I'll run into a Stang every once in awhile, beat one, lose to another, makes no difference. The only modding I care to get done is maybe a cool air intake sometime down the line that clubgt suggests. Other than that, it's the most comfortable and reliable ride I've ever owned (even at 125000) and it still turns alot of heads.

After I mod'd my Mustang with a Kenne-Bell twin screw Whipplecharger...


Just for correction. Kenne Bell twin-screw blowers, are NOT Whipplechargers. Whipples are made by a totally different company. Although they are the same type of twin-screw blower, they are different companies that both have different results.

I'm 98% sure of this, please correct me if I'm wrong...

Just for correction. Kenne Bell twin-screw blowers, are NOT Whipplechargers. Whipples are made by a totally different company. Although they are the same type of twin-screw blower, they are different companies that both have different results.

I'm 98% sure of this, please correct me if I'm wrong...

You are "technically" correct.. Even though when I bought my screw blower from Kenne-bell in 1995.. They were called Whipples, but I think they later changed sources.. Here is a bit of history, that you may or may not know..

Alf Lysholm invented the twin screw blower.. They still own the rights to the design.. Whipple Industries imports Lysholm superchargers.. A company called Autorotor currently builds superchargers for Kenne-Bell under license of Lysholm... Or something like that :uhoh: ...

ah ok. I gotcha. Thanks for the clearup! :smokin:

That Mustang is gonna rape you and you GTP to death. The Mustang is hung like a horse, you are no match for it. The Mustang will never lose!

The thing is if you have a GTP supercharged against a stock 5.0 up to the year 2002 the GTP is always faster from 0-60 because of the supercharged V6. I have said that I beat a 2003 Mach 1 stock to stock and the reason I think is that I got 280lbs of supercharged torque and the Mach 1 has like 330 lbs of V8 torque. Unless you are dealing with a mustang with a supercharger such as a cobra or looking as a 100+ lb of torque difference the GTP will win. With the Tapshift in my GTP comp G and heads up display, I got a good 2 seconds on almost any stick driver because I got no clutch and my speed right at eye level. It takes most guys/girls a good 1/2 to 1 second to shift a mustand where they are not on the gas, they are playing catch up when racing a GTP.

Now I love mustangs, but they are 2 simple on the inside and not good here in colorado. Also you can jump a mustangs hp up by 150 with a few tweeks, way easier (with more after market parts for the GT) than a GTP.

But long story short its all about distance and what gear you are in, from 0-70, 1st to high 2nd/low 3rd the GTP will win. Now from 95 to 130mph the GTP will loose and thats where the raw power of the mustang (stock) comes in.

"I've got a '97 GTP that is all stock. My friend has a '93 mustang gt that is also stock, except he has a cold air intake. I don't know what brand it is, but he says it adds 15 hp. Can I beat him?"

The 93 mustang is faster than any mustang up to the year 2003, so long story short no. From 94 to 2002 they have more horsepower than the 88 to 93 5.0's (4.9) but they dropped to a 4.6 those years with more horse power and less torque.

I dont think the 3800 series 2 was out in 97.

As for Stang vs. GP, I now have a GP, but I wish I still had my 5.0 - but as a lot of you pointed out, alot has to do with the driver.
For Stang 4.6, I really wish I still had my 5.0, but give me a little time for tweaking my GP, come to my neck of the woods and let this former "housewife" teach you a lesson by blowing your doors off. It would be my pleasure.

The thing is if you have a GTP supercharged against a stock 5.0 up to the year 2002 the GTP is always faster from 0-60 because of the supercharged V6.

Well my front wheel drive GTP won't 0-60 anything like my Mustang did when it was stock.. The GTP is quick, it just spins the front tires too easy.. My 87 Mustang, when it was pure stock with 2.73 gears, ran 14.6's at 94 mph.. And would turn a 1.95 sixty foot on stock Gatorbacks.. With a supercharger, 3.55 gears, and drag radial street tires, it turned sixty foots in 1.6's..

I'm a drag racer from a long way back.. And I just can't see drag racing with a front wheel drive car.. I see ricers going quick on Nopi TV, but I'm still not buy'n it..

You ever rode in a car that accelerated so hard with such a sustained pull, that the seat belt inertia locks would go click click click click... Locking you into the seat so deep that you could hardly breath when they let off the gas :eek: .. Now that's power.. Read about my turbo consultants car below...

http://www.turboconnection.com/showcase/jr90gt/

Well my front wheel drive GTP won't 0-60 anything like my Mustang did when it was stock.. The GTP is quick, it just spins the front tires too easy.. My 87 Mustang, when it was pure stock with 2.73 gears, ran 14.6's at 94 mph.. And would turn a 1.95 sixty foot on stock Gatorbacks.. With a supercharger, 3.55 gears, and drag radial street tires, it turned sixty foots in 1.6's..

I'm a drag racer from a long way back.. And I just can't see drag racing with a front wheel drive car.. I see ricers going quick on Nopi TV, but I'm still not buy'n it..

You ever rode in a car that accelerated so hard with such a sustained pull, that the seat belt inertia locks would go click click click click... Locking you into the seat so deep that you could hardly breath when they let off the gas :eek: .. Now that's power.. Read about my turbo consultants car below...

http://www.turboconnection.com/showcase/jr90gt/

I used to have drag cars, also from a long way back - one was a '68 Pontiac which took eight trophies in its last real season - so yes I've been in REALLY fast cars. Have you ever been in a normally aspirated car that could really pin you to your seat? It's much more impressive.
People have been racing front wheel drive cars for a long time, and, yes, I wish I still had my 5.0, but I do the best with what I have now. As for spinning the wheels, that goes to driver skill and I only have that "problem" if I want to.

I dont think the 3800 series 2 was out in 97.

My '96 Bonneville had the Series II.

Have you ever been in a normally aspirated car that could really pin you to your seat? It's much more impressive.


The fastest "naturally asperated" car I ever rode in, would probably run about 110 in the quarter.. So I've never been in a killer n/a car.. I did have drag motorcycle that ran 9.30 at 145 naturally asperated.. It would turn 1.41 sixty foot times with NO wheelie bar.. It felt pretty impressive.. But the first time I hit the nitrous oxide on it, I shut it off before I reached the finish line.. Because it was pull'n so hard I thought that I might not be able to stop it before the track ran out :eek: ... It would run 8.7's at 162 on the squeeze.. But that "first" time I hit juice.. It felt like it was running 200 :biggrin: ...

http://hometown.aol.com/choknred/myhomepage/leavin~1.jpg

Never had my tires spin, I just know from 0-60 I have been faster than mustangs and it has a lot to do with tap shift and a supercharger v/s a stick driver.

My "97 Gtp Has The 3800 Series 2. I've Never Seen One Without It.

i've read alot of stories about all these gtp's blowing out stangs. i personaly have only raced one because most of the usual gtp drivers, housewives, dont like to race. Most drivers of four door, automatic, full sized sedans usually dont try to mess with a sports car. i do like the front design of the gtp, because thats all i see in my rear view mirror.



well then.... ull be fuckin embarassed when u get up against a GTP that is willing to race...

Why are mustangs so slow? :disappoin

Please tell me that the 3.75 part was a typo. Stock size is 3.8" and if you really do have just a 3.75, it's not doing SHIT. The Mag. nose drive doesn't help gain anything either. :rolleyes:

You remind me of some newer SRT-4 owners that think their cars are Ferrari's or something. "I can beat this, this, and that, and I've never lost to a blah blah blah." Just remember, there is always someone faster, and when it comes to a GTP, unless SERIOUSLY modified, there's a lot more people faster. :loser:



sorry bro was a typo meant 3.25

The thing is if you have a GTP supercharged against a stock 5.0 up to the year 2002 the GTP is always faster from 0-60 because of the supercharged V6. I have said that I beat a 2003 Mach 1 stock to stock and the reason I think is that I got 280lbs of supercharged torque and the Mach 1 has like 330 lbs of V8 torque. Unless you are dealing with a mustang with a supercharger such as a cobra or looking as a 100+ lb of torque difference the GTP will win. With the Tapshift in my GTP comp G and heads up display, I got a good 2 seconds on almost any stick driver because I got no clutch and my speed right at eye level. It takes most guys/girls a good 1/2 to 1 second to shift a mustand where they are not on the gas, they are playing catch up when racing a GTP.

Now I love mustangs, but they are 2 simple on the inside and not good here in colorado. Also you can jump a mustangs hp up by 150 with a few tweeks, way easier (with more after market parts for the GT) than a GTP.

But long story short its all about distance and what gear you are in, from 0-70, 1st to high 2nd/low 3rd the GTP will win. Now from 95 to 130mph the GTP will loose and thats where the raw power of the mustang (stock) comes in.

First of all, you must not know how to drive a stick. Manual is ALWAYS faster in the hands that know how to mix 'em. Second of all, can you explain to me the difference in HP that is supercharged vs non-supercharged? I mean from the angle of physics, you know the definition of horsepower? I don't remember a different definition in physics class for the different types of horsepower, since hp is hp. All the GP drivers need to get real, as you go up the HP food chain, the mustang will always win, rear driver vs. fwd, is the first problem with high hp grand prix's.

I think the point is that it's fun to give a little "humble pie" to the obnoxious punk that will tell his buddies that his stock 'Stang is a 12 second car, then pull up in a front drive car and hand him his ass on a platter. We all know that a well modified Mustang will beat a GTP, and any hot rodder has to respect the 5.0 Stang for what it is, an affordable, light weight car that is a good starting point for a hella fast ride. But it's fun putting the cocky without cause drivers back on the trailer, then wish you were a fly on the wall as he tries to explain how he got beat by a FWD "grocery getter!!!!!" :evillol:

Resurrected old message thread, over a year old. I think I'll pass on this one. :sleeping:









http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 PCM, SLP Headers,
3.25 SC pulley, CAIT GMAF, 2.5 DP/Hi-Flow CAT,
u-bend delete, 160 TS, ZZP Stage 1 72mm TB,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 103,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt,
Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
1/4 ET: 13.210 sec. @ 104.490 mph
0 - 60 ft: 1.945 sec.

I think the point is that it's fun to give a little "humble pie" to the obnoxious punk that will tell his buddies that his stock 'Stang is a 12 second car, then pull up in a front drive car and hand him his ass on a platter. We all know that a well modified Mustang will beat a GTP, and any hot rodder has to respect the 5.0 Stang for what it is, an affordable, light weight car that is a good starting point for a hella fast ride. But it's fun putting the cocky without cause drivers back on the trailer, then wish you were a fly on the wall as he tries to explain how he got beat by a FWD "grocery getter!!!!!" :evillol:


It's fun to do that to anyone. I have a Grand Prix, Had a Formula 350, and also several Mustangs. Handling, the GM products are a little more refined. The solid rear axle on the mustang gets a little scary at times on bumpy turns. I could set my watch by the planned obsolescence in a GM car though... Like the idea of a solstice, but 7 alternators in a stock GP in 150K miles tells me to beware. Maybe I'll just wait for the 07 Shelby gt 500 rated at about 450hp 450 ft/lbs, and really have a bone stock 12 second car?

you can already get a bone stock 12 second car, it's called the Corvette Z06

Yeah, but when was the last time you could buy a Shelby?

alright guys,
in protection of the mustangs, my friends father has a whippled 02 gt and other goodies that is now pushin close to 700 and can do the quarter mile close to 10 flat, AND is still street driveable. in protection of the GTPs, i work at an engine shop and we are currently installing a Stattama turbo and i/c on a 97 gtp that wil b havin close to 400 hp and in the 12s. we are also putting in a CSC NOVI 2000 on another gtp that the owner wants running 11s flat. so needless to say he has money to spend.
In short, i love mustangs and GTPs. both cars have balls when modded. But there will always be someone faster, and you dont see too many mustangs driving with snow on the ground.

I have beaten my share of Mustang GT's...some stock and some modded....the difference is that the GTP or Regal GS get the max HP and tourqe at a much lower RPM...the Mustang Gt has to redline to get the max...and alot of GT drivers dont know how to shift a m/t...Dollar for Dollar GTP owners could spend alot less money to get more bang for their buck than a Ford GT...Best part is after a GS or GTP toasts a Ford GT on the way to the airport...THe GS or GTP can still pick up 5 passengers and there luggage and not hear a complaint from the back that its too small