Value of Z06 vs SRT-10

Hi. Do you think the '03 Z06 or the '03 SRT-10 is a better VALUE. I know the SRT-10 is the better performer, but it is almost 30k US more! I think that the Z06 is a much better value because it is .1 second slower in the 0-60 and a few seconds slower in the 1/4 mile. That is a very small difference for such a huge price difference! Also the Z06 has a much roomier interior than the viper. I am not sure what one handles better but the Z06 is my pick :)

I would also like to add that I think the viper looks better but not $30,000 better.

I voted the Viper because you are getting more than a better performing car for the extra $30,000. It all depends on what is more important to you.

I have to say the Vette, and like Polygon said it all depends on what you like better. I can take the $30,000 and supe it up. Plus I just like the vette better than the new viper.

I'd take the Viper hands down. I wouldn't put the 30K into performance mods of I got the vette but I see so many vettes around, but few vipers.

I personally don't like the looks of the 03 SRT-10's, and they really arn't a good choice if you're going to be daily driving something. However, a Z06 + 30 grand will get you a 900 RWHP twin turbo 427 monster :)

If you just want to go fast and dont care what your car looks like..or that everyone on your block has one...ZO6...

But if you want to go real fast and have something that will turn heads...Viper

I choose Viper...

Viper obviously, your gettin a lot more than just a fast car, name another convertible that goes over 180, and the SRT-10 does 0-60 in 3.9, last I knew ZO6's were in the mid 4's. Bang for buck though, a ZO6 is a damn fast car.

I'd take the Viper hands down. I wouldn't put the 30K into performance mods of I got the vette but I see so many vettes around, but few vipers.
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Viper obviously, your gettin a lot more than just a fast car, name another convertible that goes over 180, and the SRT-10 does 0-60 in 3.9, last I knew ZO6's were in the mid 4's. Bang for buck though, a ZO6 is a damn fast car.

The 0-60 for the latest vettes runs from 3.9-4.1 ever since the 405 HP version has come out. The new suspension system in the 04' makes the Vette an even more awesome car. The Vette will plainly... and simply to those who just DONT get it, OUTHANDLE the Viper... The Viper does have more torque and HP, but is .1-.2 0-60 and a tenth of a second or so on the quartermile really addressing the issue of VALUE? I sure wouldnt think that was worth 30 grand. You could take that 30 grand..modify performance AND physical features of the vette enough to make it have that uniqueness that people seem to value more than true driving performance. My god can you say Lingenfelter?

Just as a final word. When you show me a Viper of any sort or tuner that is workable to 1.97 0-60 times.. Let me know.. Its just not as adaptable a car to work with, not as good of a car, sorry.

The 0-60 for the latest vettes runs from 3.9-4.1 ever since the 405 HP version has come out. The new suspension system in the 04' makes the Vette an even more awesome car. The Vette will plainly... and simply to those who just DONT get it, OUTHANDLE the Viper... The Viper does have more torque and HP, but is .1-.2 0-60 and a tenth of a second or so on the quartermile really addressing the issue of VALUE? I sure wouldnt think that was worth 30 grand. You could take that 30 grand..modify performance AND physical features of the vette enough to make it have that uniqueness that people seem to value more than true driving performance. My god can you say Lingenfelter?

Just as a final word. When you show me a Viper of any sort or tuner that is workable to 1.97 0-60 times.. Let me know.. Its just not as adaptable a car to work with, not as good of a car, sorry.

Well I don't know how many more people I am going to have to explain this to, but I am about ready to pull my hair out.

Yes the Z06 is an awesome car, but I tire of people saying it can out handle the 360 Modena, the Viper SRT-10, and other cars of the like. You should take a look at the June issue of Motor Trend which tested some fast cars in a direct comparison. Two of those cars were the Corvette Z06 and the Viper SRT-10. The Viper out performed the Z06 in every category: skidpad, slalom, 0-60, 100-0 braking, and 1/4 mile. All cars were tested by Justin Bell a C5-R race driver. So don't spout off your mouth when you don't know the facts. The SRT-10 out classes the Z06 in every way and this is from the roadster. I also get fed up with the bullshit price difference argument. People look for more in a car then simply performance. The Viper offers things that the Vette can't. You are paying for a lot more than higher performance for that $30,000. Also the "I can take the $30,000 is saved and build up the Vette" chances are that you don't have an extra $30,000 to put into the Vette and most people that do will just out right buy the Viper. The cars were built for two different things and are aimed at two different types of people so you can't compare the price of the two. I can make the same argument with a Civic.

Also, about your final word, that is your opinion don't try to pass it off as fact.

I don't know about the handling thing...a stock '04 Z06 has run the Nordschliefe in 7:56, faster than either the 360 or the SRT-10. That is on par with the 911 Turbo X50. I know this isn't the "direct comparion" your MT test was, but I think the best ever lap in a stock car is a fairly good gauge of all-around performance.

Needless to say, I'd go Z06, unless the rules permitted a used Viper GTS, in which case I'd get one of those for around $50K.

Whatever...according to these people it doesnt matter what you do on a track.. just what your skidpad/0-60 times are..

I also remember a Super Tuner article on your same mag, Motor Trend?

There were several Vipers, Vettes and other cars trying to prove themselves against each other. I think I saw one of them non-existant owners of a Vette with that non-existant 30 grand+ they were willing to put into it. What was that.. A Lingenfelter Vette wasting the entire field?
Too bad that was the weaker 650 HP Version, eh? Sucks when you put as much money into a car and get better numbers out of it.

So yeah, I think I'd rather throw my money into my Corvette, and eat those Vipers alive. Hell.. I already have.
Anyways.. its goodbye Viper...and hello Autobahn.

I don't know about the handling thing...a stock '04 Z06 has run the Nordschliefe in 7:56, faster than either the 360 or the SRT-10. That is on par with the 911 Turbo X50. I know this isn't the "direct comparion" your MT test was, but I think the best ever lap in a stock car is a fairly good gauge of all-around performance.

Needless to say, I'd go Z06, unless the rules permitted a used Viper GTS, in which case I'd get one of those for around $50K.

In that case I would agree if all the cars tested were tested by an experienced driver and all the cars were tested by the same driver. Those times don't only reflect what the car can do they reflect what the driver can do.

And Vettribution this price argument is bullshit. How many time do I have to explain this to people? The Viper and the Vette are being marketed to a different kind of person. A person with the money to buy a Viper or something better is going to buy that over the Vette. Also I can take $30,000 and put it into the Viper and you can kiss your precious Linenfelter goodbye. I don't give a rat's ass about Lingenfelter, Hennessy, or any of the other tuners. I can do that crap to my car if I want they are nothing special. What matters to me is how the car comes from the factory and stock for stock the Viper beats the ZO6 not just in performance but in quality.

Nobody complains about the price difference on other cars, it is such bullshit and I am flat out sick of hearing it.

Polygon hit the nail on the head. When it comes to cars like these - buyers aren't fretting over the cost difference. Either they are buying a 40K+ car in a vetter (50 for the Z06) which is where I was in 94 and went with the VR4. I didn't think - gee I can get a Mustang for 20K less and dump the money into upgrades. :screwy:

Most of those points taken... I still like to eat Vipers. :sly:

Actually polygon the ZO6 and the SRT-10 had the exact same slalom time in motor trend. Also I see a lot of corvettes but not a lot of ZO6s The new vipers were designed by a japanese guy explaining why they don't look as cool as they used to. Stock a viper is about .5 sec faster than the ZO6 1/4 mile. Which is probably a car length. But if i spent $60,000 and supercharged a Z06 i would beat your viper with over $20,000 that i saved

Stock a viper is about .5 sec faster than the ZO6 1/4 mile. Which is probably a car length. But if i spent $60,000 and supercharged a Z06 i would beat your viper with over $20,000 that i saved

Did I not already cover that.

People need to learn to read, at least Yogs got my point. Also how many time do I have to say that the extra $30,000 isn't only performance. There are "other" things to consider when buying a car. :rolleyes:

Well I don't think that you can read either since the thread asks which is a better VALUE But maybe 30,000 is chump change to you

Well all you're looking at is perfomance. While the Vette has a good bang for the buck, that doesn't make it a better value. Value isn't as priced biased as you would assume. Value is getting more for your money.

The real problem with this debate is what you prefer. I guess if you're will to put up with the fact that the Vette is plainly styled, has a shitty interior, and is a me too car then great what a value it is to you over the Viper. What I get for the extra $30,000 with the Viper, the Vette can't offer. To me the Viper is the better vlaue being one of the least expensive Exotics.

Well all you're looking at is perfomance. While the Vette has a good bang for the buck, that doesn't make it a better value. Value isn't as priced biased as you would assume. Value is getting more for your money.

The real problem with this debate is what you prefer. I guess if you're will to put up with the fact that the Vette is plainly styled, has a shitty interior, and is a me too car then great what a value it is to you over the Viper. What I get for the extra $30,000 with the Viper, the Vette can't offer. To me the Viper is the better vlaue being one of the least expensive Exotics.


In your opinion the vette has a shitty interior. To others, the vipers spartan interior and shitty ride quality are problems as well, but that too is their opinion.

I still think the ZO6 is a better value but I also think you have a good point that they should be matched up stock

Once again were on the never ending (as it seems) topic of the Z06 vs. the new Viper SRT-10, but this post ask which car has the better value. Many people have different views upon what value is in terms of. Whether on the track, strip, street, cruising the highway, etc. each category (in my opinion) needs to be accounted for to determine which car is the better value (even price counts). Since the Z06 is 30k less than the Viper, in that perspective, the Z06 would seem like a better value. Duh. I don't know about you guys but i really don't have even 50k to throw around let alone 80k. The Viper is the quicker straight line car in stock form. I'm sure no one will argue with that, but again that doesn't displays value either. Now for on the track, I haven't seen many numbers on each cars time, but i really couldn't tell you which would be better. The Z06 is an extremely well handling car, as the Viper (from what i hear) has seemed to finally produce a finished product. It can now stop with 14in. disc brakes! which had always been a problem in the past, but i've still heard that it still has its steering problems although its better than before, their still there. To much understeer allows the car to spin out if not handled properly which is bad especially when you have 525tq. Now in terms of daily driving, i couldn't see the Viper being a better in this category over the Z06. The last magazine i read they were cooking popcorn on the viper. Yeah hot! I want to be cool on a summer drive, especially if i were ina convertible. Gas milage and riding comfortability are no doubt taken by the Z06. The Z06 gets my vote. But ill always respect the Viper.....I mean who couldn't its still a great domestic car.

Since the Z06 is 30k less than the Viper, in that perspective, the Z06 would seem like a better value. Duh.

Using that logic, a 12K civic is a much better value. Or a rust bucket Yugo thats still drivable for 50 bucks would be a great value to.

To the people who keep thinking that if they had 80K they’d buy the vette and invest 30K to make it faster are just fooling themselves. Then to sit there and say “and I’ll eat the vipers” are now moving into a delusional state. Once you start saying mod this and mod that, the argument has degenerated into a pile of crap. There is always another modification that can be done to a car. Don’t even go down that road.

The 0-60 for the latest vettes runs from 3.9-4.1 ever since the 405 HP version has come out. The new suspension system in the 04' makes the Vette an even more awesome car. The Vette will plainly... and simply to those who just DONT get it, OUTHANDLE the Viper... The Viper does have more torque and HP, but is .1-.2 0-60 and a tenth of a second or so on the quartermile really addressing the issue of VALUE? I sure wouldnt think that was worth 30 grand. You could take that 30 grand..modify performance AND physical features of the vette enough to make it have that uniqueness that people seem to value more than true driving performance. My god can you say Lingenfelter?

Just as a final word. When you show me a Viper of any sort or tuner that is workable to 1.97 0-60 times.. Let me know.. Its just not as adaptable a car to work with, not as good of a car, sorry.


Yeah... vette's are bad ass. I won't deny that. My father own's one and I've driven it plenty of times to know that it's quick as all hell. You asked for someone to show you a viper that does 0-60 in 1.97. I can't do that... but I can show you one that gets 0-60 in 1.85 and the quarter mile in 8.93 @ 144.... don't believe me?? Check out hennesseyperformance.com 1125hp Dodge Viper Venom 1000 TT with 125hp of Nitrous Oxide. The funny thing is... it's still street legal. Don't believe me? check out the website. They guy that got the top speed viper 1/4 mile got 155mph and then drove it home. Show me a vette with those skills that can eat a viper. You also stated that the z06 out performs the viper as far as handling. Hmmm... the funny part in that is the srt-10 is the best handling rear-wheel drive car on the road. Don't believe me? Motor Trend rated the skidpad as 1.1g's for the viper... only .8 for the vette.
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If you think Hennessey makes as good of a car as Lingenfelter, you have yourself fooled. Just thought I would let you know that. Lingenfelter makes a quicker running TT Viper than Hennessey does, NOT counting the Nitrous. Add that 125 HP shot of nitrous, plus the kit Lingenfelter has for handling onto that Vette. The kit alone would cut off alot of time. Not to mention you still get a 2 year warranty or something of the sort with the Lingenfelter. Crazy. Hennessey's have been known to break down, catch fire, etc. They arent as dependable. I've only heard one report of a Lingenfelter upped car getting problems, an S-10 with TT. Shrug. Its all a matter of opinion I guess. The new Viper is 300% better than the old one. And that makes me GRUDGINGLY give it ALOT more respect than I want to, because it really is a nice and actually WELL rounded car. But please dont confuse skidpad for actually handling, until you actually put that car on a track, or a mountain road, and DRIVE it to its limits. Im sure your daddy didnt let you push that Viper as much as you wanted. ;) Also read some different articles on that Vette. Its actually set some course records. Also look at the Racing Vettes.. the C5-R's have been tearing it up time after time for some time now. Shrug.. Opinion right?

man... power isn't as much as the overall package. with a z06 you get a 405hp v8 that has the skidpad at like .9 or so.. and with a viper you 've got a 500hp v10 with a shitload more torque and a skidpad of 1.15g's... the viper is more set up of the bat to be a road racer. And you really can't compare a c5-R to a z06 and then compare that to a viper.

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I get sick of this. How many times must it be explained that the Viper is not built to be a drag racer? It is built to be a track car. You can't be the best in both and the track is where the Viper has always shined. I'll agree that Hennessy is a crook and doesn't seem to know much about modifying cars. I would never send a car to him in fear of being Hennesscrewed. Also while skidpad numbers don't always reflect how well a car can handle, those paired with slalom speeds does. In that Motor Trend comparison the Viper beat the Z06 in both.

As for the C5R why not compare that to the GTS-Rs from 1998 and 1999? They were mopping up, even beating out the protoypes. Then some people began to complain about this and restrictions were put on the GTS-R. Chrysler has had this happen to them before in NASCAR so they simply pulled factory backing for all teams. Then the teams just didn't have the money to compete. Most of the Vipers you see in GT racing these days are privatly funded GTSs and can't compete with the factory backed C5R teams.

[QUOTE=jc_in_chx]Using that logic, a 12K civic is a much better value. Or a rust bucket Yugo thats still drivable for 50 bucks would be a great value to.

I do see your point to why a 12k civic is a much better value. But you see this topic is actually comparing the value between a Z06 and a SRT-10. So my question to you is where did a civic pop in between this discussion of a Z06 and a SRT-10?

I'd also like to point out about what i said about the vipers understeer, i actually meant oversteer i just goofed that up. Viper has anything but understeer from what i heard.

And for the last time were not comparing a 50k vette plus 30k in mods versus an 80k viper. Plz anybody put 30k in any car and you'll leave both of these cars in the dust. These cars are being compared as completly stock vehicles. Having to much pride in your vehicle only gets you into repeditive stupid back and forth arguments that go no where.
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The Z06 is the better value of the two. For 50k you get more features and it is only 2-3 tenths slower in the quarter mile. But if value is the topic, then I would take a 34k mustang cobra and invest 2k in performance parts. That would blow the doors of a 50k Z06 or a 80k Viper.

Ive always wondered why dodge or chevy didnt put an extra 3-4k of performance parts in their car? If the vette had 4k of performance parts it would destroy the viper making it sell even more. If someone has 50K+ or 80k to spend, then Im sure they could come up with 4k more. Another idea would be for dodge or chevy to make an optional 4k performance package for their car.

Ive always wondered why dodge or chevy didnt put an extra 3-4k of performance parts in their car? If the vette had 4k of performance parts it would destroy the viper making it sell even more. If someone has 50K+ or 80k to spend, then Im sure they could come up with 4k more. Another idea would be for dodge or chevy to make an optional 4k performance package for their car.

You also dont realize with 4 grand extra the Viper would kill, that engine may only have 500 hp stock, but being so huge it has more attainable horsepower, 2 grand worth of valvetrain parts would unleash the Viper, exhaust would let more go, possibly get a better ignition system, then get some grippier tires and it'd be faster than crap. Also, I'm not sure on exact cost of the ACR option, I believe it was around 10 grand or something but I'd have to look, but it didn't offer much, and it wasn't worth it according to some people. I'd rather spend the 10 grand on something myself to attain more power. Is the Z06 an option too? j/w on that.

BTW...With the Vipers huge tires and low gearin, why does it not reach 60 mph in 1st gear?? If it weren't for that shift to second it'd be fast as hell to 60 mph

I do agree that putting in an extra 4-5k of performance modifications in these cars would no doubt boost performance a good amount. In fact, Car & Driver actually modded out a Vette in the 4/02 mag. They choose Lingenfelter to mod out their C5 vette. Supercharged 5.7 L Lingenfelter Corvette Engine Package was what they did. Now what is included in this package: 1.Eaton "Magnacharger" supercharger package (@5.5pi)
2.Properly sized high flow fuel injectors (for more fuel)
3.Custom LPE fiberglass hood painted & blended
: The supercharger added 2in. clearance for highest
efficiency which requires different hd(still looks stk)
Now spending $4950 on the supercharger and $850 on the new hood = $5800. Lets not forget that eaton supercharger life exceeds over
100,000 miles.
Stock vette with 350hp, LPE Supercharged Vette from 350hp to 500hp
The vette ran a 3.7 0-60, 11.7 1/4mi. @126mph.

So based on the preexisting 42,750 value of the vette + 5800 (LPE PKG)
48550 for a LPE Vette. Not Bad

Now if you wanted the extra hp than maybe its for you, but when Dodge and GM design a car they also have to take other things at hand. Their are always effects for each cause. Performing modifications (especially if your going run the hell out of your car later)= a shorter life for your car. Putting 5k in mods will get you an extra 150hp but in effect your working your engine harder, which translates into faster wear. So putting 5k extra in modifications is only the begining. Make a goal of what you want for yourself and be realistic. Like will it be a daily driver, would my spouse drive it, roadcoarses, drag-strips. Depending on what you want you can make your car more effective for how you want it.