93 V-R4 Vs. Ford Lightning

The reason i'm asking this question is because my uncle has a 93 V-R4 and the other day he let me take it for a test drive I couldn't belive how fast the car was it pushed me back into the seat every time i hit the gas anyway this guy in a 02 Ford Lightning told me he could smoke me in the V-R4 who do you think would win? both cars are bone stock.

VR-4 easy!!! granted for a truck, the lightening is incredibly fast, but... it just isnt faster than the VR-4! thats all there is too it! VR-4 has it beat in 0-60 times and in 1/4, and in top speed!! now this guy was prolly just doin the ussual ford owner thing and talkin shit about his car that is nowhere near reality, so u cant realy blame him... its like an unwritten law... if u own a ford u gatta talk stupid shit about ur car that it and u cant hope to back up in reality... lol but yeh dude... VR-4 all the way! unless there's something mechanically wrong with it, or u just plain cant drive, u should win.

Stock to stock, mod to mod, the VR4 should win hands down. These two are close enough that an inexperienced driver vs someone who knows their ride inside and out could have a different outcome, but the VR4 is the faster ride. :bigthumb:













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lightnings only come in auto right?

Originally posted by blasian_man
lightnings only come in auto right?

The 2003 models only came with an auto. I've never seen any model with a manual, but I can't say they never did.













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they dont make them in automatics. now i cant say that there are none, because its always possible someone did the work themselves and made it one, but i know from the factory they didnt make anything but automatics. (<- turd of a car! what kinda perfomance car only comes in automatic.... thats ford for ya!)

i think it would be a good race even though i am leaning more to the vr4 because of the advantage of 6 speed all wheel drive vs. auto 2wd and the 867 pounds in diff between the 2 cars... but look at it this way the lightning has 380hp and 450lb/ft stock and the vr-4 has 300hp and 307lb/ft stock.... but i still think that it would be a great race.. one i wouldnt mind seeing...

Im a big fan of the 3kgt [I have 2] but a bone stock lightning can run 13.4 with the right weather. Thats faster then a stock 3kgt. But then again it all depends track conditions ect. Overall the 3kgt rapes the ford in every catagory but 1/4 too close to call.

they dont make them in automatics. now i cant say that there are none, because its always possible someone did the work themselves and made it one, but i know from the factory they didnt make anything but automatics. (<- turd of a car! what kinda perfomance car only comes in automatic.... thats ford for ya!)

You do realize that the lightning is not a car, it is a truck. Every model lightning is a A4 trans. If there was an manual in the truck you would be twisting driveshafts and breaking rears all the time. The A4 is more consistent and offers better traction for pulling loads because one more time, this is not a performance car but a truck....

I raced a modded lightning, he had a pulley and intake and I dont know what else. He claimed 500hp. I had a 5.5k launch and took him hard off the line I held him till I hit 4th when he started to catch up. I put on the brakes before he caught up. lol. :thumbsup: He was very fast!

If you dont bog your launch, you got him. Have you learned how to launch yet? Its not so easy.

Good luck and keep us posted.

yeh man i realize the lightening is a truck... not a car! (i live in Texas, so trucks are more common than cars! lol) but the track tests on the lightening that i have seen say its only a 13.62 truck. now granted for a truck thats fast as snot!! but not as fast as the VR-4! and next, when has any ford lived up to its claimed capabilities??? perfect example... any mustang 80's and up! now if u like fords im sorry, but im anti-ford! and again if u dissagree or happen to like fords, then i apologize! but yeh i def. agree with ya that the VR-4 rapes it! and as if u didnt already know, nothing ford will every messure up to that Z06 when u get it!!! those things are so badass its not funny! and 500hpvr4, nice kill man!! i dont think he woulda passed u tho... pulled closer, but i dont think he woulda overtaken ya...it couldnt on the slightly modded Trans-Am i raced one in, so i would think that he wouldnt have actually overtaken ya. but granted i dont know what ur guy had in it so... but he would still "just have a fast piece of sh*t"!-m3mark! (lol thanx man, no hard feelings, and sorry again if u like the lightening) but still... nice kill man! so how do u launch it? u an e-braker?

No I dont e-brake it, mine doesnt even really work :(

I tack it up to about 5.5k and when the clutch is about half way when the car barely starts rolling let the clutch out fast and floor it! The car launches so hard like that it sucks you right into the seat.

I dont do that all the time, 5.5k is a really hard launch with AWD.
I only launch that hard when I think im gonna lose.

Thanks for the compliments.

yeh man i realize the lightening is a truck... not a car! (i live in Texas, so trucks are more common than cars! lol) but the track tests on the lightening that i have seen say its only a 13.62 truck. now granted for a truck thats fast as snot!! but not as fast as the VR-4! and next, when has any ford lived up to its claimed capabilities??? perfect example... any mustang 80's and up! now if u like fords im sorry, but im anti-ford! and again if u dissagree or happen to like fords, then i apologize! but yeh i def. agree with ya that the VR-4 rapes it! and as if u didnt already know, nothing ford will every messure up to that Z06 when u get it!!! those things are so badass its not funny! and 500hpvr4, nice kill man!! i dont think he woulda passed u tho... pulled closer, but i dont think he woulda overtaken ya...it couldnt on the slightly modded Trans-Am i raced one in, so i would think that he wouldnt have actually overtaken ya. but granted i dont know what ur guy had in it so... but he would still "just have a fast piece of sh*t"!-m3mark! (lol thanx man, no hard feelings, and sorry again if u like the lightening) but still... nice kill man! so how do u launch it? u an e-braker?

No hard feelings here.. :) LOL to be honest I dont care for fords either. I am just an all around car guy. I am just posting from experience. My friends lightning runs 13.4 consistently bone stock. Which is faster then my bone stock vr4. No comparision the mitsu spanks the lightning!!!

well i am a lighting fan and also a ford taurus sho fan. but i like no other ford at all. being who i am i look at reality not what i want. in reality with a good shifter behind the wheel of the vr4 it should launch harder and never be caught until the vr4 slows down. end of story.

lightnings only come in auto right?
04 lighting should be the only lighting to come in a stick, itll have an a/c system cooling the air for the supercharger in place of an intercooler. i think 500 or 525hp? then in 05 right back to an automatic.

Lightning all the way. My brother owns an 02 Lightning, and I'm sorry the transmission in that truck will out shift anyone in their VR-4. Besides that the trucks stock 1/4 mile is 13.9 as stated by SVT. Even though multiple people have run stock Lightnings as low as 13.4. VR-4's Stock in Mid to High 14's ... not gonna cut it. Sorry. I love the VR-4's, but the Lightning is one fast beast of a truck. My brother now has about 500+hp, (waiting to get dynoed soon) but if our predictions are correct, he should be quite up there. He should be in mid 12's now. A few friends of ours that have Lightnings that have everything my brother has have run 12.6's, and my brother has a few other things that'll surely break lower than those. But that's just my $0.02

i still think a VR-4 would win. i think if u put 500+ hp in a VR-4, it would easily kill a Lightening. but it will always depend on how good a driver is.

Lightning all the way. My brother owns an 02 Lightning, and I'm sorry the transmission in that truck will out shift anyone in their VR-4. Besides that the trucks stock 1/4 mile is 13.9 as stated by SVT. Even though multiple people have run stock Lightnings as low as 13.4. VR-4's Stock in Mid to High 14's ... not gonna cut it. Sorry. I love the VR-4's, but the Lightning is one fast beast of a truck. My brother now has about 500+hp, (waiting to get dynoed soon) but if our predictions are correct, he should be quite up there. He should be in mid 12's now. A few friends of ours that have Lightnings that have everything my brother has have run 12.6's, and my brother has a few other things that'll surely break lower than those. But that's just my $0.02


500hp and running 12's well thats americian muscle for ya. :rofl:

"500hp and running 12's well thats americian muscle for ya."

Are u saying this is bad???? I think you forgot how heavy this truck is… just thinking of this if the truck weighs 4670 lbs and if it has exactly 500 horsepower it should logically be running 12.267(or in the 12's)… so this isn’t bad at all… IMO

VR-4's Stock in Mid to High 14's ... not gonna cut it.

:rofl: :rofl: Its clear you don't know jack about the quarter times of the VR4













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"500hp and running 12's well thats americian muscle for ya."

Are u saying this is bad???? I think you forgot how heavy this truck is… just thinking of this if the truck weighs 4670 lbs and if it has exactly 500 horsepower it should logically be running 12.267(or in the 12's)… so this isn’t bad at all… IMO


call it what ya want but i know what i'm callin it. how bout not adding so much power ok go ahead and add power but do a lil weight reduction.
tunnin an automobile to 500hp takes money so i know not having the money to do weight reduction is not the problem. again, call it what ya want. but i have no respect for heavy Merkin muscle. clamin 280+ flywheel horsepower but runnin upper 14's to mid 15's in the 1/4 mile. i'm callin that said. oh and not to mention such high displacement. SAD just SAD. :shakehead

Not a Lightning fan. :grinno: Its a damm truck , for chrissake , which automatically puts it in redneck territory for me. Its not even a good truck either , because the spring rates are all wrong for hauling stuff , but it also can't do anything but go in a straight line because , as with all trucks , its too light in the ass. Try a corner in that thing , and you'll end up facing the wrong way. Not to mention the VR4 has the major advantage , here , lemee spell it out for you ...... A-W-D........ :lol:
For what I could spend on a Lightning , I could build a DSM or a VR4 that could kick its ass , anyway. And I thought VR4's ran mid/high 13's stock , not high 14's. DSM's runs high 14's/low 15's with 100 less Hp.

and then there was the ass talker... he came to bring BS to this thread... untill the all-mighty Yogs spoke up with the truth and smote him and his Obnoxiously false claims down and the thread was saved! however thanks must also be given rockinwrx and mikegee!!

and then there was the ass talker... he came to bring BS to this thread... untill the all-mighty Yogs spoke up with the truth and smote him and his Obnoxiously false claims down and the thread was saved! however thanks must also be given rockinwrx and mikegee!!


your welcome trogdor :iceslolan there is plenty of replacement for displacement. lemmee name a few. a turbo, coil over springs and shocks, awd, weight reduction. oh and i will stop there.

Just to clarify some things, the VR-4 is low 14's high 13's stock, with a boost controler at 14psi people have hit 12's, but it generally takes more than that. I know people with BPU VR-4's that are yet to break into the 13's but im going to blame that on bad driving.

Second RWD is BETTER than AWD in the 1/4 mile, but worse in the 1/8 mile. So stop light to stop light AWD will win even if out matched in the 1/4.

I would say stock for stock the race would depend on the driver, after that its all who is less stock.

Not a Lightning fan. :grinno: Its a damm truck , for chrissake , which automatically puts it in redneck territory for me. Its not even a good truck either , because the spring rates are all wrong for hauling stuff , but it also can't do anything but go in a straight line because , as with all trucks , its too light in the ass. Try a corner in that thing , and you'll end up facing the wrong way. Not to mention the VR4 has the major advantage , here , lemee spell it out for you ...... A-W-D........ :lol:
For what I could spend on a Lightning , I could build a DSM or a VR4 that could kick its ass , anyway. And I thought VR4's ran mid/high 13's stock , not high 14's. DSM's runs high 14's/low 15's with 100 less Hp.


I generally agree with the first half of your post. But then again, the Lightening isnt really made to haul stuff around.

I generally agree with the first half of your post. But then again, the Lightening isnt really made to haul stuff around.

:shugging shoulders: well whats a truck made for. whats a six foot bed used for. A lancer evo can still haul the kids around and some stuff.

as the owner of a ford lightning and a mechanic...i'm in forming everybody that theres not a stock lightning in the world that has a manny transmission...you can add one but it makes no sense and it'll cost a lot of money and time and the only lightning that will have a manual tran. is the new 2005 lightning concept it's a six speed 500hp/550ftp of torque safely estimated and has a new patented intercooling system only offered by ford and is now in production. for more info on ford lightnings or other vehicle send an email to slicer1@cox.net

Not a Lightning fan. :grinno: Its a damm truck , for chrissake , which automatically puts it in redneck territory for me. Its not even a good truck either , because the spring rates are all wrong for hauling stuff , but it also can't do anything but go in a straight line because , as with all trucks , its too light in the ass. Try a corner in that thing , and you'll end up facing the wrong way. Not to mention the VR4 has the major advantage , here , lemee spell it out for you ...... A-W-D........ :lol:
For what I could spend on a Lightning , I could build a DSM or a VR4 that could kick its ass , anyway. And I thought VR4's ran mid/high 13's stock , not high 14's. DSM's runs high 14's/low 15's with 100 less Hp.

All right seriously the lightning is just a svt cobra with a truck body i own one and i can out handle most cars yes the back end is light but it's low stance and wide body make it a bad a** truck and as for cargo it not meant to really hual stuff and its max cargo cap. is only 500lbs less than a regular F-150so say what you want but make sure you kno your facts about lightnings before you run your mouth....if you would like to kno more bout the lightning email me at slicer1@cox.net i'm an expert on lightnings

"500hp and running 12's well thats americian muscle for ya."

Are u saying this is bad???? I think you forgot how heavy this truck is… just thinking of this if the truck weighs 4670 lbs and if it has exactly 500 horsepower it should logically be running 12.267(or in the 12's)… so this isn’t bad at all… IMO
well the VR-4 isnt a feather either, it ways 3800lbs empty

well the VR-4 isnt a feather either, it ways 3800lbs empty


its also nearly 6 feet wide.

First, I do like the lightning but it is pretty sad that with 500+hp and all you hit are 12's. :rofl: put that kind of hp in my car and I'd be run mid - low 11's possibly even hit 10's. Of coures I drive real american muscle.
Second, the VR4 is a superior car in almost every espect except maby in towing cause its a car. :2cents:

i guess we have all forgot about the weight to power ratio....... of course 500 horses are going to make a car that wieghts 3803 lb go faster than a truck that wieghts 4670. Thats 867 lbs!!! and think of the aerodynamics of the cars too. trust me i am not talking shit on imports, look at me i own a talon tsi... but i still relize reality, i am pretty sure the lightning would win the 1/4 mile but nothing else against the vr-4... well maybe one thing.... TOWING :iceslolan

First, I do like the lightning but it is pretty sad that with 500+hp and all you hit are 12's. :rofl: put that kind of hp in my car and I'd be run mid - low 11's possibly even hit 10's. Of coures I drive real american muscle.
Second, the VR4 is a superior car in almost every espect except maby in towing cause its a car. :2cents:
:iagree: ^ HELLS YEH MAN!! preach it! lol , however me... i dont like lightnings... and i dont like fords...period. i drove one...served my time in hell... im through, thank u very much!lol but yeh, dude the VR-4, much betta ! and chicks will dig that car WAY more than a lightning! i have yet to meet a chick who doesnt love the way a 3/S looks! (granted they know nothing else about the car, they just think its badass looking ! lol)

i guess we have all forgot about the weight to power ratio....... of course 500 horses are going to make a car that wieghts 3803 lb go faster than a truck that wieghts 4670. Thats 867 lbs!!! and think of the aerodynamics of the cars too. trust me i am not talking shit on imports, look at me i own a talon tsi... but i still relize reality, i am pretty sure the lightning would win the 1/4 mile but nothing else against the vr-4... well maybe one thing.... TOWING :iceslolan


ok your right about the weight difference. but whats the point of making a 500hp proformance vehical if it weights so much. weight defeats the whole perpose of even proformin at high speeds. i dislike high displacement and high weight. its point-less to build a proformance vehical above 3300 lbs.

yeah..........cause my 3800 lb vr-4 sucks at high speeds :rolleyes:

I dont know about your performance car, but my car is extreamly stable above 120. I think that is the speed your car is governed at.

hey mikegee you make a pretty good point that i never even thought of... why the hell did they make that truck so damn heavy?? :sly:

Making a lightweight performance car was not what Mitsubishi was trying to accomplish. The 3000 was marketed as a touring coupe - not a sports car. Yes the weight robs some of the potential performance of it, but speed is not the end all of a vehicle. If it were - I'd be driving a bike. As for the lightning, since its a truck the people buying it will probably use it as one. The guy down the road uses his to tow his boat around which my car can't/won't do. I'd expect them to keep the frame heavier to handle the load.

The HP to weight ratio is overused. Acceleration and top end speed have a lot more variables that can offset it.













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The HP to weight ratio is overused? then why are Crotch Rockets so fast with most of them havin less then 200 horse power???? that seems like HP to weight ration to me..... but thats just me. im not doggin you i am just confused i guess. :uhoh:

Yes power to wieght matters, but so does the gearing of the vehicle, and lots of other things.

i guess we have all forgot about the weight to power ratio....... of course 500 horses are going to make a car that wieghts 3803 lb go faster than a truck that wieghts 4670. Thats 867 lbs!!! and think of the aerodynamics of the cars too. trust me i am not talking shit on imports, look at me i own a talon tsi... but i still relize reality, i am pretty sure the lightning would win the 1/4 mile but nothing else against the vr-4... well maybe one thing.... TOWING :iceslolan
I would have to dissagree with you on the lightning taking the vr4 in the 1/4 mile. Don't get me wrong its a nice truck and I wouldn't mind owning one along with the vr4, but I guess the only way to prove it would be to run the two of them and also film it for any one who doesn't believe the out come

Making a lightweight performance car was not what Mitsubishi was trying to accomplish. The 3000 was marketed as a touring coupe - not a sports car. Yes the weight robs some of the potential performance of it, but speed is not the end all of a vehicle. If it were - I'd be driving a bike. As for the lightning, since its a truck the people buying it will probably use it as one. The guy down the road uses his to tow his boat around which my car can't/won't do. I'd expect them to keep the frame heavier to handle the load.

The HP to weight ratio is overused. Acceleration and top end speed have a lot more variables that can offset it.


in my some what educated oppinion, i think the 3000gt (gto) in vr4 pakeage is breakin some laws ok a lot. i do like and rspect the skyline more and im confident that the skyline gtr would beat it but thats not the case here. i do feel that the weight of the vr4 is not hindering the proformance too much. if any company can make a 3800lbs, 6' wide with less then 400hp run what 13's in the 1/4 is alright in my book. :bigthumb:

No hard feelings here.. :) LOL to be honest I dont care for fords either. I am just an all around car guy. I am just posting from experience. My friends lightning runs 13.4 consistently bone stock. Which is faster then my bone stock vr4. No comparision the mitsu spanks the lightning!!!


Well man, thats cool, thats cool, but it is a common fact that with hard launches and excellent driving, any car can be pushed past what its claimed 1/4 mile time is. It has been proven many times that bone stock camaros with LS1's can hit high 12's, its all driver man. and the fastest stock VR4 time i believe is 13.082? But I read that awhile ago on a VR4 site, and AWD vs. rear wheel, means better and faster hook up, and an instant lead off the line, plus twin turbos and intercoolers to kick in for the mid and top end, yea lightnings are very fast trucks, but a supercharged V8 that wieghs a ton, (granted the VR4 isnt a light vehicle either), vs. 320 hp 315lbs in a 94+ Vr4?, My money is without a doubt on the VR4.

there was 2 lightnings at the track both were running 14.1 to 13.9, they say it runs 13.5 but thats not really the case at the same track a guy with a vr4 i beleive 96 was running 13.5 all day. yes they say an ls1 can do this or a supra can do that(factory freaks), but all in all a vr4 either beats it or it would be a tie/good race a lightning will not out run the vr4 in the 1/4.