Integra LS vs GSR

What's the difference between the two? Is there any?

major thing is engine

LS B18B1 DOHC non VTEC 142 HP, I think like 128 ft/lbs
GSR B18C1 DOHC VTEC 170 HP, torque i dont know off the topof my head.

GSR revs higher as well.

Okay, so the GSR kills the LS, but what about in gas economy?

bout the same, but i imagine if you hossed it all day, the LS would get a bit better. and the GSR doesnt really kill the LS, well top speed probably, but through the quarter a GSR with I/H/E and a stage 3 clutch hits 14.83 and I saw a 16 flat off a LS with just intake, now with the same mods mid-high 15's probably so it is quite a bit fastr but not a TON faster

Okay. So a Vtec engine is better then? Sorry, I'm quite a n00b to this, trying to learn a bit. How much faster/better with fuel than say, an Ecotech 2.2L (Cavalier/Sunfire).

ok, well, you know how when you are following a car that is faster you can keep up cuz hes taking most of the resistance for you, well I have a hella slow civic hatch with a DOHC ZC that only ran a 16.6(poor condition engine) and a kid bought a sunfire with the 2.2 ecotech, it is auto though and mines a stick, but he was behind me when we were doing 40, I dropped to 2nd and stomped on on it, immediately he did the same(without the drop to second) and he was dead even behind me the whole way to like 80 or 90. if were were lined up side by side hed probably have taken me for a bit, 2.2 has gotta have more torque than me, but I think once I got to 2nd id be pulling and then passing him, so take a GSR with much more torque than me, and runs i think 1.1 seonds faster than me when its stock, it will whoop on those cars even the 5 speeds, plus GM engineering doesnt come close to hondas.

economy is probably better as well, but never owned/driven one so got no idea.

Okay, thanks a lot. Is there any years of tegs that I have to watch out for?

any year is always good. Tegs are perfect.:bigthumb:

oh crap i think im doing the vtech thing, its ecotec not ecotech huh? oh well those cars dont deserve respect anyways.

(and before anyone gets mad I know its vtec and it was a joke)

Originally posted by 94tegRS
bout the same, but i imagine if you hossed it all day, the LS would get a bit better. and the GSR doesnt really kill the LS, well top speed probably, but through the quarter a GSR with I/H/E and a stage 3 clutch hits 14.83 and I saw a 16 flat off a LS with just intake, now with the same mods mid-high 15's probably so it is quite a bit fastr but not a TON faster

Actually the ls will pull the GSR at high speeds and have a higher top speed, b/c the gearing in the ls tranny puts the ls in it's peak torque when the GSR is falling out of it's. But anyway yes the GSR is faster than the ls were it counts and thats drag racing :bigthumb:

well, I know that the LS would be faster top speed technically cuz of gearing, but I race my friends GSR, im not in an LS, but it is sortof even then he hits vtec and pulls more through every gear and I just figured the vtec is gonna give the GSR more pull at the higher speeds, cuz the one I raced has a B16 so i figured the B18c would pull even harder on top because of that and the lower gears

So if I got a GSR, what would I want, an automatic or a manual?

if you dont wanna be laughed at and/or win races get the manual.

I am not sure ive seen an automatic gsr though:confused: they must make them though cuz there must be some older people that like power but not shifting(dont know why not tho)

Manual is that much more powerful??? I had no idea, I thought they were the same... Sorry guys I'm such a newbie, but I'm learning :).

Looks like I'll have to learn standard too...

PS: How is standard faster (you said I'd win more races)? Please try to explain in a kind of "talking to an idiot" type of lingo, so I understand. :rolleyes:

gsr and type r only come in manual

Yea auto is not a option on gsr's. And the manual is faster b/c the auto tranny consumes too much hp before it can reach the wheels.

plus in a stick you can shift muych faster than the stock auto will, and with the 5 speed vs. the 4 speed auto the gears are much taller in the auto so then when you shift you drop lower in the powerband. and it is just plain no fun when racing an auto.

Stock for stock the gsr is better in every way. :biggrin2:

Standards are faster because you control when you change gears so you can let the rpms get close to redline before shifting and therefore losing less power. Where an auto would shift way before it should in a race situation and drop down to like 3k. You also would lose most of v-tech advantage because of this

in an automatic if its floored, they shift right before redline also, just take longer to(usually) and drop you lower in the rpms cuz of taller gearing. my moms 2 autos do this, my dads auto truck does this, my auto truck and auto mustang did this. so somethings wrong with whatever car you had that if redline was 8100 it dropped to 3k when shifting.

Originally posted by 00tegrity
Standards are faster because you control when you change gears so you can let the rpms get close to redline before shifting and therefore losing less power. Where an auto would shift way before it should in a race situation and drop down to like 3k. You also would lose most of v-tech advantage because of this

gsr/type r are the only tegs that came with VTEC (no "h") an u can controll the shifts w/ an auto too. either jus floor it, or u can move through the 1st couple of gears by doing it manually...jus w/ no clutch.

The long gearing, slow shifting and heavy weight of the torque converter are all reasons for pwer loss and slower time with a auto tranny car.:bigthumb:

Thread revival for my next question!



Okay, I was busy for a while and didn't get back to Automotiveforums.com for a bit, but I came back to look at my thread and notice something. There seems to be 3 different types of Integras. GSR, LS, and Type-R. Out of GSR and LS, GSR has faster top speed because of the horsepower. Stick shift is a must. What is the Type-R?

theres more than that, depending on year there are RS/LS/GS/SE/GSR/type R

RS/LS/GS/SE all have the B18b1 non vtec(3rd gens at least) 2nd gens were RS/LS/GS/GSR(92-93) and they had the B18a1 non vtec, and the gsr had the B17a1 vtec.

the 3rd gen gsr has a B18C1 vtec and the ITR is a b18c5 vtec.

the ITR is just more powerful, better suspension, lighter, along with other details over the GSR.

Also the LS doesn't come with the performance parts. Being that you can uprgade an LS with a gsr throttle body, gsr intake manifold, gsr oil pump, the vtec obviously, etc

Also you're going to love manual. You have complete control of the car. You're going to love being on the freeway, someone revs up on you, and you downshift on them. I love downshifting.

Also the LS doesn't come with the performance parts. Being that you can uprgade an LS with a gsr throttle body, gsr intake manifold, gsr oil pump, the vtec obviously, etc

Also you're going to love manual. You have complete control of the car. You're going to love being on the freeway, someone revs up on you, and you downshift on them. I love downshifting.


exactly what i said, the RS/LS/GS/SE have B18b1's non vetc,

Just for the fun because I'm such a newb, how would it fare against like, a 03' Mustang GT at stock?

Also what would win in a street race same tegs, but one has a b18 non vtec, and the other has a b18 vtec?

the GSR would win vs the non vtecs and the ITR would beat the GSR. and I think a new GT will beat them all. arent the newer ones the fastest?

HEy any physical difference with telling if your car is GSR or LS without opening the hood? Emblem maybe?

See my car at ceejaysez.blog-city.com

well, on the back of the car on the pass. side (if it hasnt been removed) it says DOHC above the word VTEC. and the GSR's get different rims, and I think all GSR's come with a stock spoiler but not sure.

The 93 GSR was the fastest integra. Yes, beating the Type R.The Type R is only 1-2 10ths of a second quicker then the GSR. The 93 was 3-4 10ths quicker.Also, if you want a 3rd gen. teg, get an obd1. They are more friendly with mods.

The 93 GSR was the fastest integra. Yes, beating the Type R.The Type R is only 1-2 10ths of a second quicker then the GSR. The 93 was 3-4 10ths quicker.Also, if you want a 3rd gen. teg, get an obd1. They are more friendly with mods.

er...the 97-01 ITR ran a 14.7 compared to the 93 gsr's 15.1-2.

the 93 isn't 3-4 tenths, i don't see how u get that number considering its only around 100 lbs lighter with less power...

so lets think this out...the integra type r would be pushing around 30-35 more hp to the wheels, with around 20 more lbs of torque, while weighing less than 100 lbs more. hrmmm...add an lsd tranny to that and i really don't see how the gsr comes out as the quicker of the two cars (even drivers)

obdI is only more friendly to basic modifications (this is only a slight difference), if u get into FI and building the motor, then its not going to much of a difference between it and obdII.

the new GT's would beat all of them (stock vs stock, with even drivers). GT=14.0 which is over .7 faster than the quickest integra.

Some ppl here are just plain stupid? why dont you go read about drag racers son yano ones with more than 200 HP haha what a joke anways Most High HP drag cars Use automatic transmisions so if some jackass tells you only n00b's drive auto tranny's tell em You Son Are a JackAss go read something about drag cars :)

Some ppl here are just plain stupid? why dont you go read about drag racers son yano ones with more than 200 HP haha what a joke anways Most High HP drag cars Use automatic transmisions so if some jackass tells you only n00b's drive auto tranny's tell em You Son Are a JackAss go read something about drag cars :)

"Some ppl here are just plain stupid". Well, ya just mentioned yourself,"JackAss". Ya see,"son", nobody is talkin bout "high hp drag cars". They are talkin bout a stock 4 cyl. auto. And yes, the auto would get crushed by the 5spd. Go read about stock 4 cyl. cars,"JackAss".

Its a given, auto trannies eatup HP, I've seen car and driver magazines where the difference between an auto and a manual, was around 2 seconds in the quarter mile. I'm pretty sure there wasn't any difference(like twin turbo or bigger/better engine) in the manual. If you truly honestly want an auto, then get one, and spend more money trying to get it as fast as its 5 speed counterpart, otherwise, its really not hard learning to drive stick, I learned on mine too, not somebody else's, though some people think you might f*ck the clutch up or something. It took me a several hours(multiple occasions) to learn, but now I can drive trucks and just about anything else.

Automatic for Integra shift like crap...When it manual You shift when you wanted and you are able to Shift faster...

So If I was to Get in integra Wat type And Year??