new civic thread

ok.. since my other thread got turned into a bunch of guys calling BS on me, ill make a new one here

i want to go B16 turbo.. a low boost system for now... i have searched the board, and the net.

what i need is this

1. a website that tells everything needed for a B16A 1st gen swap into an EF car

2. Is there a company that sells a low boost turbo kit for the B16 in a EF civic? Do i have to mod a diferent kit to work with the EF?

3. Can i get an ET for a low boost civic with a really good driver?? Just a rough estimate... like 13 seconds? 14 seconds? I plan onusing a 75 HP wet nitrous kit

4. Any website that deal with turbo B16's or transplanting a B16 into a EF, post them here...

thanks alot

Travis

U DON'T HAVE AN EF:werd:

BUT....there is no such thing as a low boost turbo kit...only small turbo's and large turbo's with boost controllers

also if u want et on low boos we need to know how much psi ur talkin....i think stock b16's can handle about 8-10 psi...not sure...

are u sure u did a search b/c this subject is all too common

Get:
b16a1
89-91 teg axles
PR3 ECU
HASport Mount kit
HASport Linkage

T3/T4 Hybrid Turbo - Your choice what brand turbo, i rec. a Garret
Tial External wastegate 40mm 4 bolt
B-Series Trubo Manifold with 4 bolt flange
HKS super-sequential Blow-off valve
DSM Injectors
HKS Boost Controller
Some sort of Intercooler - dont go fast and furious and get a GodzillaCOOLER :loser: though, you'll get mad lag

All i can think of for now.

i know i dont have an EF... but im going to get one... i have 4500 USD to spend on the engine... i like JDM 4g4d's post... very informative.. i only want to run about 6 or 8 PSI to be safe, maybe less for everyday driving, but i want to be able to at least boost to 8 or 9 PSI...

i guess ill have to get charge pipes custom? can i use exhaust pipe? what size of exhaust should i run? 2.75? 3 inch?

thanks again

Travis

go here for a decent b16 swap guide
http://www.phatwhippincrx.20m.com/custom.html

89-91 teg axles? isnt the generation from 86-89, 90-93 and 94-00?? or did the axles change in those years??

Travis

what u'll need for a turbo it


1. Garrett T3/T4 Turbo- The turbos trim is a/r 50, it has an external 7 psi wastegate on it, and does come with the mounting gasket.

2. Custom FMIC- It is designed for most honda and acura applications, its tig welded, 2.5” inlet and outlet, it measures 30x6x3 tip to tip, and the core is 2 ¾” thick, which flows 33% more air than a 2” thick standard core.

3. Turbo Oil Feed Line- this is a complete kit to run from your block to your turbo, it will work for any b16 and b16 engines.

4. Custom Turbo Manifold- this manifold is tig welded with laser cut flanges, it will fit any b- series blocks.

5. NO WELD Turbo Oil Return Kit- this is a no weld oil return line, its great for aluminum pans, like honda and acura ones.

6. Greddy E-Manage- includes the greddy e-manage, support tools and software, ingintion harness, injector harness,sensor harness, and turbo pressure harness.

7. ALUMINUM Blow Off Valve- exact replica of apexi, with great reliability.

8. Greddy Full Auto Turbo Timer- The GReddy Full Auto Timer packs tons of features in one economical, compact unit. In addition to two standard programmable count down presets, this timer also has two Auto Timer modes, which estimate the driving RPM according to the vehicle's alternator signal and then recommends a count down time. Additional functions include a Stopwatch/Lap Time mode, and Attack mode. There is also a built in Voltmeter and Speedometer.

9. Manual Boost Controller- One of the best boost controllers on the market…

10. Synapse Missing Link Valve- you need this in order to bypass your MAP sensor.

11. Walbro 255 lph fuel pump- it is great quality and relibilty..

there are b series swap link in the engine section at www.4thGenerationCivic.com :bigthumb:

as for turbo...go to http://www.thedropshop.com/ he is a fellow civic owner who owns/runs a performance shop that pretty much specializes in turbo (in plain english....he is addicted to turbo). he can answer all your questions :biggrin:

where do i get these parts? most have a great discription, but no brand name or website!

Travis

more infor about the turbo's

http://homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/turbo_tech/index.html

well if you gonna get a dx then u gotta do the mpfi swap. get a 90-93 teg halfshaft with 90-93 teg axles

and i dont think runnin a stock b16 @ 7psi with a 75 shot wet nitrous is advisable. but if u do run that set up i would say 12s but dont expect your engine to last long

Originally posted by dxhatchback
where do i get these parts? most have a great discription, but no brand name or website!

Travis


:eek7: search for them....gave u what u need but u have to do some work....best thing is to search ebay b/c they will have a lot of each item with itz description...do ur research then come back

89-91 teg axles? isnt the generation from 86-89, 90-93 and 94-00?? or did the axles change in those years??

You need 90-93 Integra LS axels, but you are going turbo, so I would go with reenforced axles... probly like stage 2 or 3.

Originally posted by dxhatchback
i know i dont have an EF... but im going to get one...
Travis

Your going to get an ED. Unless you plan on importing a jdm civic cause those are the only ones with EF in there vin tag.

ha ha ha..how much boost can a D15 engine handle? like 2psi? that would be funny as hell.

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi
as for turbo...go to http://www.thedropshop.com/ he is a
fellow civic owner who owns/runs a performance shop that pretty much specializes in turbo (in plain english....he is addicted to turbo). he can answer all your questions :biggrin:

i want that drag turbo kit

1. no im not getting a DX hatchback.. thats what i drive not.. an 86 accord dxhatchback

2. why wont it last long? im not gonna spray everyday.. prolly like once a month.. street racing isnt that popular in my town, and the race track is 6 hours away... ill barly use the nitrous, its like a cheap way to smoke that mustang if you need it..

3. thanks fo the heads up on the axles..

4. ok.. ed.. what ever it is... im new to the terms... sorry...

5. im not gonna turbo the D15.. i dont know where you got that from!

6. ok..ill search.. thanks

Travis

You need 90-93 Integra LS axels, but you are going turbo, so I would go with reenforced axles... probly like stage 2 or 3

you wont need special axles. honda ones will do just fine.

until you making like 300hp, you wont need to worry about axles!

VelocityCivic91:biggrin2: :lol:

i was also thinkin the same thing... and if i do snap an axle, its only like 45 bucks for a new one..

i want an external wastegate, what turbo's dont have internal ones?? and who makes the loudest BOV? if im gonna be turbo, everyone will know


thanks man

Travis

oh..and i saw this video of a supra racing a mustang.. i know the supra is prolly TT or converted to single turbo, but the fuckin turbo is sooo loud! how do i get a super loud turbo like that??

here is a link to the video

http://www.vosko.net/media/piston/t51rsupra_vs_351mustang.mpeg

here... click and watch for yourself!

Travis

Originally posted by dxhatchback
who makes the loudest BOV? if im gonna be turbo, everyone will know

JO! :bloated:

You need to do a lot of searching the internet, and a lot of reading online. If you can't find websites with information about B16s, you have serious intrAnet problems. Do some searching if you're really seriously going to do this build, there are a lot of things you need to learn.

TO GET A TURBO LIKE THAT U'D HAVE TO HAVE MINEY AND A BIGGER ENGINE BAY TO FIT A TURBO OF THAT SIZE

so i need a supra engine and turbo to be LOUD like that one??

and i did find lots of BOV's claiming to be the loudest.. i want to know some real facts here.. not just companys sayin WE HAVE THE LOUDEST BOV!


Travis

Why do you care so much that you have the absolute lodest one? Like shit man, what difference does it make if you have one thats a tiny bit more quiet than a different brand that you don't know about it. Sure, the stunta factor may be a bit reduced, but I'm sure there isn't going to be too much of a difference between.
Look online for some good turbo forums. Check out ClubSi.com and honda-tech.com, they're full of people who know lots of stuff.

Originally posted by EFStali
ha ha ha..how much boost can a D15 engine handle? like 2psi? that would be funny as hell.

ahhhhh snap....don't make me bust out the article out of a Sport Compact from '95! the battle of imports winner that year was a 4th gen hatch running 10 psi d15 that busted a 12.31 (lol! ahhh, the good ol' days)

Externally venting BOVs are just a wank. If you get one, you might as well do the whole F&F and get TWO bottles of NAWSSSS and some good type R stickers. Personally, for all the money you're throwing away here I'd build a mild CRVTEC instead (yep, I've been converted to the dark side - doesn't mean one's going into my EF9 though ;) ).

On the BOV - I'd be careful - they banned externally venting ones here because they messed with Skylines', WRX's and Silvia's air-fuel ratio and broke emissions (only 3 cars I can think of that were effected based on AF ratio meter. Nowadays only plumb-back systems are allowed. I can't wait for a US polly to pick up on that one and drop it into legislation so you have to suffer with the rest of us. Oh, people also got defected for hitting 102db with them etc ;)

1. im in canada
2. i wont hit 102 db around cops cuz i wont shift at 4000 rpm around cops
3. im not gonna build a CRVtec cuz i want somthing easy... this is gonna be a daily driver for a year or so until i can afford a truck

i was also thinkin about just droppig a B16A with headers, CAI, CTR or ITR cams, full ignition, adjustable FPR and a 50-75 shot of laugh gas...

i think this would be alot cheaper than turbo, but still give me 13 second track times

Travis

Better that you spend your money on a truck in the first place because I have to question how reliable your B16 will be, not to mention the money that you throw away on a 4th gen

i agree with Setanta, if you are gonna drop all this money on a "daily driver" of a year, then you'd be wasting it if you are planning on just getting a truck anyhow. also, if you want something easy, you won't find it with a b16 either, from what iv'e heard nothing is easy at all, power takes tiem and effort. and dude as for the questions, there is no way you searched and searched and searched for it, b/c i know if i were to search for this stuff i could find it in no time. just sounds to me like you want us to do your work. and if you want a loud ass bov just so people know you have a turbo, just change your name from dxhatchback to dxriceback...

i agree, dont waste all your money on a daily driven car for a year that'll prolly last a month. save that money for the truck, thats a lift kit and a set of 20's or whatever your taste in trucks is. but anyway if you want a faster car, just keep your nitrous on there, but dont blow your money on it.

i guess i wrote it wrong...

this car will be a daily driver for a year until i get a truck... then the civic will get gutted and plans are for a 500 HP B16 in it... like a full track car... i will be making 26000 dollars a year when i turn 18... and it just gets higher from there... i know it doesnt seem like much of an income, but figuring that a house will cost 15000 a year to buy and maintain, what will i do with the other 9000 bucks in my first year?
i dont have any plans of kids or a wife for at least 3 or 4 years...

Rice isnt when you want to scare people by telling them you have a turbo... rice is that fake BOV machine thing you can buy off e bay... i want a loud ass BOV cuz i love the sound of turbos and that WHOOSH sound..

your right about searching... but i would rather get info that is used by others that just some shit i find on the net... i figure you guys already know about this shit, so i asked here...

sorry if im a pain to anyone, but i really love the look of 4th gen civic's and i want a 13 second car... my dad has a 1980 Trans Am that runs 11's on nitrous, and i want to at least come close to him...

thanks again

Travis

11's and 13's are miles apart on a racetrack.

Originally posted by crxlvr
11's and 13's are miles apart on a racetrack.

:werd: but hell i've give anything to hit either :)