Sell LS and buy GSR or stay with LS?

i have a 94 LS w/ 110,xxx miles on it and i was wondering if i should just sell it and go for the GSR or just keep the LS. I was also going to go for a camaro z28 but figured the cost of insurance and gas would end up catching up to me.

If i keep the LS i plan on doing these things:
1)AEM short ram cold intake
2)DC 4-2-1 Header Ceramic
3)Cat Back Exhaust...kind undecided...please help me w/ that
4) Skunk2 intakemanifold
5) B&M Fuel Pressure Regulator and Fuel Pressure Gauge
6) Jun Stage 3 Cams, Jun Double Valvesprings and Jun Retainers


i know how much work it takes to install the 1st 3 but im not sure if i will be able to do the last 3 with my limited car knowledge. with investing this much ill probably put some rims on it...probably 16's b/c 17's are too heavy and 15's are too small.

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well I personally would get a GSR its a better faster engine, unless you wanna do the LS/VTEC swap you will wanna rebuild it before you drop the VTEC head on it anyway. I would just get a GSR and get the list of things you have for the GSR instead of the LS.

Also short ram cold intakes dont exist...its cold air or short ram...

Also a header isnt the easiet thing too put on you have to take the engine out I believe.

Anyway good luck :thumbsup:

Keep the LS and turbo it.
If you REALLY want to stay all-motor than go with the GSR. Also the LS has cheaper insurance BTW.

Originally posted by TheNotoriousMogg
Also a header isnt the easiet thing too put on you have to take the engine out I believe.


dont have to take the engine out. that would be such a bitch if you did... have to get under the car though and have access to air tools, cant get some of those bolts off with a normal socket cuz of their angle unless you have a really long socket extension

so everyone out there pulled the engine to just put a 300 dollar or less header on there car since you know everyone has a cherry picker and pulling the motor is so easy!!! no but i would turbo it and keep the ls if it was me but all motor you would have to go gsr!!!

Originally posted by billab2ong
was also going to go for a camaro z28 but figured the cost of insurance and gas would end up catching up to me.


Good choice. My dad has a 99 z28, and i still like my GS-R better. Probably because camaros are fugly. I'll tell you one thing though, if you are goin down a strait road or drag strip.. it hauls some ass. :) Otherwise... :\ Its american. :loser:

Originally posted by 90LShatch
so everyone out there pulled the engine to just put a 300 dollar or less header on there car since you know everyone has a cherry picker and pulling the motor is so easy!!! no but i would turbo it and keep the ls if it was me but all motor you would have to go gsr!!! :iagree:
But like I said before the LS will have cheaper insurance, and that matters a lot to most people. Turbo is the way to go IMO, all-motor GSR is too expensive to get as much HP as turboing a LS would.

how much do you think it would cost to get the turbo and have it installed?? what kind of horse power increase are we looking at? i also heard there is alot of tuning and constant care w/ a turbo...is this true and how does one go about learning how to tune?

to turbo your car past 210hp u will need extensive mods and yes there is constant care needed. The TURBOS alone without the kit can go for 2g's or u can buy a big broken turbo for like 300 then send it to Turbonetics or any turbo rebuilding shop and they'll fix it for 500 or so. with limited car knowledge expect to pay a ridiculous amount of money in labor and parts. Turbo's are only good if u or your good friends know their ish about it. otherwise go for the GS-R get some highquality boltons and minor internal work and u should be good to go

gsr have the same insurance as an LS, they dont ask about the trim, i have a gsr myself, but AAA doesn't know that

you guys have officially convinced me to just buy a camaro. GSR's are the same amount of money as a z28 but are half the car.

YEA THE INSUR...IS THE SAME

I WOULD KEEP THE CAR AND GET A NEW MOTOR AND TORBO IT
COUSE YOU DONT WANNA HOOK IT UP AND UR MOTOR DIES THAT WOULD SUCK GET LIKE A LS MOTOR WITH LIKE 30,000 MILES ON IT
IT DONT COST THAT MUCH IT WOULD BE LIKE BUYING AN OLD CAR

I wouldn't recommend getting an LT1 z28... they're problems are pretty well-documented and the plastic crap in there is even cheaper than the LS1 Camaros (thas saying something). But if u want immediate passage into 13.5 ET get an Automatic 98-02 Z28 (LS1). a 14s ET is available if u want the LT1's (93-97) but they all bite the big one in terms of reliability. and believe me...u'll prolly crash your camaro soon after getting it if you've been driving around in a japanese vehicle because the visibility is so damn difficult to deal with. Bottom line...LS1 camaro's are good... LT1 sux

Originally posted by hai_IntegwaTwypeR
I wouldn't recommend getting an LT1 z28... they're problems are pretty well-documented and the plastic crap in there is even cheaper than the LS1 Camaros (thas saying something). But if u want immediate passage into 13.5 ET get an Automatic 98-02 Z28 (LS1). a 14s ET is available if u want the LT1's (93-97) but they all bite the big one in terms of reliability. and believe me...u'll prolly crash your camaro soon after getting it if you've been driving around in a japanese vehicle because the visibility is so damn difficult to deal with. Bottom line...LS1 camaro's are good... LT1 sux

An LS1 camaro with the 6 speed can hit 12's bone stock with a good driver! Thats pretty cool, but I don't like the styling of the 94-up camaro's.

Originally posted by 100proof
YEA THE INSUR...IS THE SAME

I WOULD KEEP THE CAR AND GET A NEW MOTOR AND TORBO IT
COUSE YOU DONT WANNA HOOK IT UP AND UR MOTOR DIES THAT WOULD SUCK GET LIKE A LS MOTOR WITH LIKE 30,000 MILES ON IT
IT DONT COST THAT MUCH IT WOULD BE LIKE BUYING AN OLD CAR

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AN LS1 6SPEED CAMARO CAN ABSOLUTELY NOT HIT 12.9 SECONDS WITHOUT MAJOR GUTTING!!!! At The Track where you get your best ET's I have never seen the AT LS1 lose to the 6spd. my buddy's z28 AT ls1 with 330hp beats 6spd SS's all day by a helluva margin with only a 5hp advantage and the loss that comes with hydraulic fluid in the AT. the Z28 im talking about ran an unreal 13.44 with nothing taken out or put in. Now if u go by the 100lbs = .1s theory you would have to find a way to take out over 400lbs of car. seats are about 120lbs (good start but...) sound deadening is another 30. spare tire, jack, owners manual pencils, papers, kilo of cocaine, about 20 lbs. From there if u got SLICKS Then you would be able to hit 12.9 as a marginal driver. But on street tires..good luck.

P.S. Slicks are not "Bone-Stock"

Originally posted by hai_IntegwaTwypeR
AN LS1 6SPEED CAMARO CAN ABSOLUTELY NOT HIT 12.9 SECONDS WITHOUT MAJOR GUTTING!!!! At The Track where you get your best ET's I have never seen the AT LS1 lose to the 6spd. my buddy's z28 AT ls1 with 330hp beats 6spd SS's all day by a helluva margin with only a 5hp advantage and the loss that comes with hydraulic fluid in the AT. the Z28 im talking about ran an unreal 13.44 with nothing taken out or put in. Now if u go by the 100lbs = .1s theory you would have to find a way to take out over 400lbs of car. seats are about 120lbs (good start but...) sound deadening is another 30. spare tire, jack, owners manual pencils, papers, kilo of cocaine, about 20 lbs. From there if u got SLICKS Then you would be able to hit 12.9 as a marginal driver. But on street tires..good luck.

P.S. Slicks are not "Bone-Stock"

OMG, you have no idea what you are talking about obviously? ''hydraulic fluid'' in an AT tranny, should I even comment?
Well you must have only seen crappy manual drivers because a manual will wup an AT's butt by a half a second in the quarter. And yes I know bone stock means no slicks:loser:
And only excellent drivers can hit 12's, of course marginal drivers will not be able to do it.
The mach I mustang can hit 12.97 with drag radials, and the 6 speed LS1 is faster.

Originally posted by hai_IntegwaTwypeR
with only a 5hp advantage and the loss that comes with hydraulic fluid in the AT.

It's not the HP loss, it's the gearing. Why do you think they make 6 speeds? Because the gears are really close to each other and when you shift it doesn't drop the RPM's out of your peak power zone. Obviously 4 gears are not going to be as good as 6. And you can shift faster in the MT than you can the AT, unless you get a shift kit but thats not ''bone stock'' now is it?

PW.. I am sorry but.. bullshit. 12's are NOT possible with the LS1 bone stock! Doesnt matter who the driver is, you are NOT hitting 12's. Sorry i had to tell you that.:twak:

Originally posted by MDiGiamm
PW.. I am sorry but.. bullshit. 12's are NOT possible with the LS1 bone stock! Doesnt matter who the driver is, you are NOT hitting 12's. Sorry i had to tell you that.:twak:

And where did you get your information?
Would you agree that an LS1 camaro is faster than the new Mach I mustang?

Look here the mach I does 12.97 on drag radials and a good driver. It's hard to read, but the second paragraph-the small one.